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GAJIT
05-03-2004, 01:32 PM
Being a sim addict - owning almost every flight sim ever produced, I have to say that IL2 leads the way. Others that promised so much are a big let down. Biggest of all must be Lock On. How could anyone get it so wrong in terms of flight dynamics etc?

Hey Oleg - can you do a WWI fighter sim next? At least we know it would be the best!

GAJIT
05-03-2004, 01:32 PM
Being a sim addict - owning almost every flight sim ever produced, I have to say that IL2 leads the way. Others that promised so much are a big let down. Biggest of all must be Lock On. How could anyone get it so wrong in terms of flight dynamics etc?

Hey Oleg - can you do a WWI fighter sim next? At least we know it would be the best!

carguy_
05-03-2004, 01:35 PM
I object.
I want Oleg to cover the whole WWII theatre.
With my little $ support ofcourse. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Cossack_UA
05-03-2004, 01:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAJIT:
Being a sim addict - owning almost every flight sim ever produced, I have to say that IL2 leads the way. Others that promised so much are a big let down. Biggest of all must be Lock On. How could anyone get it so wrong in terms of flight dynamics etc?

Hey Oleg - can you do a WWI fighter sim next? At least we know it would be the best!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Everything is OK in terms of flight model of aircraft modeled in LockOn.

Yes, it's different from FB, but that's how mordern jests fly. I've heard opinions of a real world Flanker pilot.

Bearcat99
05-03-2004, 01:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAJIT:
Being a sim addict - owning almost every flight sim ever produced, I have to say that IL2 leads the way. Others that promised so much are a big let down. Biggest of all must be Lock On. How could anyone get it so wrong in terms of flight dynamics etc?
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You must not have tried CFS3 then...

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BaldieJr
05-03-2004, 01:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAJIT:
Being a sim addict - owning almost every flight sim ever produced, I have to say that IL2 leads the way. Others that promised so much are a big let down. Biggest of all must be Lock On. How could anyone get it so wrong in terms of flight dynamics etc?

Hey Oleg - can you do a WWI fighter sim next? At least we know it would be the best!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even the hardest of core Falcon fan wouldn't say that about lock-on after giving it a fair shakedown.

I didn't appreciate it at first either, but my mind has been changed after giving it a week of my attention.

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Scen
05-03-2004, 02:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAJIT:
Being a sim addict - owning almost every flight sim ever produced, I have to say that IL2 leads the way. Others that promised so much are a big let down. Biggest of all must be Lock On. How could anyone get it so wrong in terms of flight dynamics etc?

Hey Oleg - can you do a WWI fighter sim next? At least we know it would be the best!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You might want to read a review done by a hardcore Falcon Fan by the name of Mower.

He gives the sim a fair shake down and before making statements I think you should give it a try.

here is the link to the article. I think it sums up LOMAC quite well.

http://www.f4community.com/forum/in...t=ST&f=3&t=9541

Speco
05-03-2004, 02:41 PM
THIS IS A FIRST! I've heard alot of complaints about LOMAC, but not one of them was aimed agains the flight model (or as you say "flight dynamics etc"). In fact I think it's one of the games strongpoints. What were you compareing the "flight dynamics" with? Il-2?

LEXX_Luthor
05-03-2004, 02:50 PM
So where is this article by Mower? Sounds interesting.

Speco
05-03-2004, 03:06 PM
Yeah the link you provided doesnt help much (no article there). Plese re-post.

Speco
05-03-2004, 03:23 PM
Never mind, found it myself.

The link is here (http://www.f4community.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=9541&s=3ab96f1424a3bba9eb955f21e876518f)

Jagdgeschwader2
05-03-2004, 04:03 PM
You are definitely wrong there GAJIT. I think they got the flight models nearly perfect. In fact I have found myself flying LOMAC more than FB here lately. I haven't flown FB online in more than two weeks, which is extremely rare for me. I'm in love with the Mig-29Ahttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif.



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LEXX_Luthor
05-03-2004, 04:08 PM
Mower:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But I also have much experience with the original Flanker and some with Flanker 2x.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's ME lol. I am looking forward to reading this review. Thanks Speco.


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InyerEye
05-03-2004, 06:19 PM
I have to say,after getting used to the radar systems in LOMAC,I am addicted to it as much as Forgotten Battles.
The graphics are sweet too.
The more I fly it,the more I like it.
Plus LOMAC has a great mission builder.
I'm hooked on both games now.

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maxim26
05-03-2004, 07:11 PM
Flight model in Lock On is great. The only complain i heard is about landings. Bu actually landings are pretty good and players have unrealistic feelings because afrer touch down the weels stick to the runway like on glue (you can't land on one weel like in FB). But this is probably will be fixed in a patch wich is coming.

Lock On along with IL2 give me the best siming experience.

Jagdgeschwader2
05-03-2004, 08:57 PM
Hmmm... Landings seem good to me. It gives a good sensation of the heavy weight of the aircraft touching down. You can come down on your mains and ride out the nosewheel just like in the real world. Remember these aircraft are way heavier than say a P-38.F-15
weighs 45,000 lb (20,411 kg) with 81,000 lb (36,700 kg) max gross takeoff. Also during straight in landing approaches you need to be careful not to drop below VMC or the aircraft begins to sink very rapidly which is highly realistic. I keep my engines spooled up and use the spoiler to keep from going over safe gear and flap deployment speeds. You have a larger work load compared to the routine landings of WW2 fighters. I was however able to put the Su-33 on the carrier deck the first time out. But then again the wind was not blowing and the water was calm. Things would have been a lot more difficult with these things factored in. Some of the concerns people have about the landing issues concern being able to land a sticken jet in a field.
I have not tried this yet. Landing an aircraft as heavy as any of the jets in LOMAC would
seem to be suicide especially with the American planes. The Mig series of jets were deigned to takeoff from rough fields though.
I watched a show on the History Channel once where a Russian Mig pilot was talking about this. He said American planes were designed as things of beauty where as Russian planes were designed to take heavy punishment and keep on going.



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LEBillfish
05-03-2004, 10:08 PM
None of you know what you are talking about.....there is only one real and authentic flight sim that is true to both flight dynamics and intensity....here, here is a demo link for you rookies

https://play.games.com/playgames/sp_game_play.jsp?gameSize=600&HighScore%3C%3Egamename=redbaron&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2557&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=99537&bmUID=1083643431136

http://www.geocities.com/k2kellyirie/IL2/starnew.txt

adlabs6
05-03-2004, 10:36 PM
Lock On has been anything but a disapointment for me. I'm having as good a time with Lock On as I did way back with the original IL2.

In fact, I've not flown FB/AEP in over a month now, with most of my time being spent in Lock On and FS2004.

Regardless of the mass of negative user commentary on LOMAC, it's a nice sim for me. It has been just as stable and enjoyable as IL2/FB thusfar.

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Jagdgeschwader2
05-03-2004, 10:57 PM
I think a lot of the negative press comes from people who do not want to take the time to learn the techniques required of modern air combat.I printed out the 134 page document on the aircraft and weapons sytems before I even started flying. There is a lot to learn here
just as it should be.

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A speck of dirt on your windscreen could turn into an enemy fighter in the time it took to look round and back again. A little smear on your goggles might hide the plane that was coming in to kill you.
Derek Robinson
From the book Piece of Cake.

huggy87
05-03-2004, 11:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jagdgeschwader2:
I think a lot of the negative press comes from people who do not want to take the time to learn the techniques required of modern air combat.I printed out the 134 page document on the aircraft and weapons sytems before I even started flying. There is a lot to learn here
just as it should be.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/12.jpg

A speck of dirt on your windscreen could turn into an enemy fighter in the time it took to look round and back again. A little smear on your goggles might hide the plane that was coming in to kill you.
Derek Robinson
From the book Piece of Cake.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are nuts on JG2. Modern Air Combat is incredibly more complex than WW2. It must take a lot of dedication to learn a realistic modern flight sim.

Jagdgeschwader2
05-03-2004, 11:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by huggy87:


You are nuts on JG2. Modern Air Combat is incredibly more complex than WW2. It must take a lot of dedication to learn a realistic modern flight sim.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It definitely takes a lot of dedication but anything worth doing is worth doing correctly.
Besides this is as close as I will ever get to flying a real fighter. You real fighter pilots probably take us for nuts. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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A speck of dirt on your windscreen could turn into an enemy fighter in the time it took to look round and back again. A little smear on your goggles might hide the plane that was coming in to kill you.
Derek Robinson
From the book Piece of Cake.