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Alexander_Seil
07-17-2004, 11:38 PM
My several day-long experience in this game was mostly confined to Fiat CR42, although I tried a couple different planes. Now, while flying both it and its cousin G50 (fitted, apparently with a slight modification of the same engine) I experienced some weird things related to their handling. Notwithstanding their rosy descriptions in object viewer, their maneuverability simply blows (G50 is even worse than CR42, in fact). Any attempt at steep climbs results in a disaster, as do sharp turns (much more so in G50). The weirdest part comes when you try to dive in those machines. The engine starts making sounds as if it is about to shut down, and sometimes abruptly does so (and we're not talking dives perpendicular to Mother Earth, either, but simply pointing the nose of the plane below the horizon). In fact, any sharp changes of course involving the use of diving can achieve a similar result. Is there a remedy at all to this? This happened both at reduced (80-95%) and normal prop pitch at throttle from 70 to 100%, at altitudes below 1500m. I'm just wondering if my sucky skills or Italian planes' deficiency is to blame...I've tried dogfighting in J8A for a change and it handled much better than the Falco maneuver-wise, despite it also being a biplane (I didn't check that plane much for weird engine behavior, only for its maneuver capability).

Alexander_Seil
07-17-2004, 11:38 PM
My several day-long experience in this game was mostly confined to Fiat CR42, although I tried a couple different planes. Now, while flying both it and its cousin G50 (fitted, apparently with a slight modification of the same engine) I experienced some weird things related to their handling. Notwithstanding their rosy descriptions in object viewer, their maneuverability simply blows (G50 is even worse than CR42, in fact). Any attempt at steep climbs results in a disaster, as do sharp turns (much more so in G50). The weirdest part comes when you try to dive in those machines. The engine starts making sounds as if it is about to shut down, and sometimes abruptly does so (and we're not talking dives perpendicular to Mother Earth, either, but simply pointing the nose of the plane below the horizon). In fact, any sharp changes of course involving the use of diving can achieve a similar result. Is there a remedy at all to this? This happened both at reduced (80-95%) and normal prop pitch at throttle from 70 to 100%, at altitudes below 1500m. I'm just wondering if my sucky skills or Italian planes' deficiency is to blame...I've tried dogfighting in J8A for a change and it handled much better than the Falco maneuver-wise, despite it also being a biplane (I didn't check that plane much for weird engine behavior, only for its maneuver capability).

Snow_Wolf_
07-17-2004, 11:41 PM
engine cut out due to - g's on Carberator (typo on that word )
You need to know what your doing in the G-50 to make it fly like a dream

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Fennec_P
07-18-2004, 12:38 AM
The CR.42 does seem somewhat gutless, bouncy and stallable in comparison to the other biplanes, or the P.11.

This could be partly due to the wingloading, with is about 1/4 more than that of the I-153 (103kg/m2 and 84kg/m2 respectively). The Fiat weighs over 2 tons too, compared to 1850kg for the I-153.

LEXX_Luthor
07-18-2004, 01:53 AM
Roll over and pull stick to get into a hard dive, like early Spit pilots had to do but the Email pilots could just push the stick between their feet.

Ignore the CR.42 dive. It beats J8A and I~153 in climb especially at higher altitudes where J8A and I~153 choke but Fiat keeps going (but watch your mixture).

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F19_Ob
07-18-2004, 02:21 AM
Actually, a several day-long experience with this game isnt enough to get familiarised with a plane. Some people have perfected their skills on one or a few planes for years. (meant in friendly manner)

The G50 is a very capable plane wich can turn with a I-16 and with BnZ tactics it does well against the gladiator (J8 in the sim).
I dont know how many spit VB's I have shot down with G50 but if u can fool them in to a turnfight the G50 wins. U also have interesting groundhandling, trying to see anything.

Cr42 is more difficult to use, both in turnfights and BnZ because of lack of vision in the most important place but the armament is good if u hit. I have noticed that its easier to hit anything if u let the target fly in from the side so u see it betwen the wings instead from the usual leadposition front+up, This is why i belive many dont like it. The view is much more favorable in the Gladiator wich is also a better turner. Its not a good power climber though because it looses its energy fast, and a cr42 can climb away from it if he have some distance. Actually the gladiator is a good climber but slow.

performance-wise I think the G50 wins over cr42 in all exept turn, but because of the poor visibility in cr42 U almost get twice as much shootingopportunities in the G50. U can have a go at a bigger variety of planes in it compared to the cr42.

A good trick in the G50 is to avoid rudderinput when turning hard. This way it wont flip in a critical moment , low and slow.

[This message was edited by F19_Ob on Sun July 18 2004 at 01:32 AM.]

HART_dreyer
07-18-2004, 02:22 AM
CR42 (biplane one?), I'm almost 95% certain this thing is overmodelled in terms of climb.

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p1ngu666
07-18-2004, 06:19 AM
the spin is hard to get out of on the cr42 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

ill see if i can find the info i had on cr42

oh try the iar80/81 u will like that too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Vipez-
07-18-2004, 11:20 AM
in 2.01 G-50 lost some of its turning perfomance.. i dont know if that is correct, what I have read is that it was one of the most nimble fighters in the war (after the Chaikka) .. Finns did rather good with it, claimed 88 kills during the Continuation War, while only two planes were lost in combat..


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Sienikeitto
07-18-2004, 12:17 PM
Vipez-, Your sig picture rocks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F19_Ob
07-18-2004, 12:23 PM
I thought U might like this story about the Finnish Fiat G50 ace Olli Puhakka. It says something about its performance.
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/puhak/puhak.htm

other stories from the same site:
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/

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Fiat G50 trainingprogram in Finland:
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/hist/WW2History-HLeLv26FAtraining.html

other articles:
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/hist/

These are oldies but maybe new to some of U http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

F19_Ob
07-18-2004, 12:50 PM
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Alexander_Seil
07-18-2004, 01:59 PM
Whenever those Fiats go into a spin on me, it's always a flat one. I'm yet to survive one, no matter how high I am when it starts...I started avoiding usage of elevators altogether (except in turns), relying on the throttle for altitude changes. BTW, thanks for the advice on diving in those things, I'll have to try that. Now armed with new knowledge, I only need to practice enough to be actually able to survive a dogfight with an I-16 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LEXX_Luthor
07-18-2004, 02:41 PM
I never stall in a turning fight, not even with CR.42 you have to learn to pay attention to the buffeting before stall.

With the Patch you can get out of CR.42 flat spin now, I did it last night to test it. Took about 1000m of altitude.

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Miss-Kitten
07-18-2004, 03:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sienikeitto:
Vipez-, Your sig picture rocks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. I had to look twice to confirm with my brain what my eyes saw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Weeee! Star Wars meets FB lol. Someone make a nice screenmod from that please http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Alexander_Seil
07-18-2004, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
I never stall in a turning fight, not even with CR.42 you have to learn to pay attention to the buffeting before stall.
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Well, turning in CR42 isn't bad for me, it's bad in G50. I find CR42 mostly agreeable as long as I don't do nosedives or sharp climbs...G50 is another issue. To my satisfaction, I'm even beginning to succesfully strafe (to little effect, unfortunately) fixed ground targets http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
07-18-2004, 05:20 PM
yeah u need to backoff power, i normaly use full power.
also elivotor trim, bury that to nosedown

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