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faustnik
04-16-2004, 10:00 AM
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Here is a basic rundown of production versions as we were discussing here yesterday:

Ki.43-Ia - Weight: 2,048kg, 950hp, Armament 2x7.7mm MG, top speed 308 mph, power loding 2.1kg/hp, number produced 35, entered production in April 1941

Ki.43-Ib - Weight: 2,048kg, 950hp, Armament 1x7.7mm MG & 1 x 12.7mm MG, top speed 308 mph, power loding 2.1kg/hp, number produced 45, entered production in July 1941

Ki.43-Ic - Weight: 2,048kg, 950hp, Armament 2x12.7mm MG, top speed 308 mph, power loding 2.1kg/hp, number produced 716, entered production in Oct. 1941

Ki.43-IIa - Weight: 2,642kg, 1130hp, Armament 2x12.7mm MG, top speed 320 mph, power loding 2.34kg/hp, number produced 2524, entered production in Oct. 1942
Changes: reduced wingspan, reflector sight added, bomb provisions, pilot armor, primitive self sealing tanks

Ki.43-IIb - Weight: 2,413kg, 1130hp, Armament 2x12.7mm MG, top speed 329 mph, power loding 2.25kg/hp, number produced 1531, entered production in May 1943

Ki.43-IIIa - Weight: 2,725kg, 1190hp, Armament 2x12.7mm MG, top speed 344 mph, power loding 2.25kg/hp, number produced 1098, entered production in Oct. 1944

The sources are Nakajima Ki-43 HayabusaBueschel and Japanese Aircarft of the Pacific War Francillon. There are a few discrepancies between these sources.

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faustnik
04-16-2004, 10:00 AM
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mdegnan/_images/Ki43.jpg

Here is a basic rundown of production versions as we were discussing here yesterday:

Ki.43-Ia - Weight: 2,048kg, 950hp, Armament 2x7.7mm MG, top speed 308 mph, power loding 2.1kg/hp, number produced 35, entered production in April 1941

Ki.43-Ib - Weight: 2,048kg, 950hp, Armament 1x7.7mm MG & 1 x 12.7mm MG, top speed 308 mph, power loding 2.1kg/hp, number produced 45, entered production in July 1941

Ki.43-Ic - Weight: 2,048kg, 950hp, Armament 2x12.7mm MG, top speed 308 mph, power loding 2.1kg/hp, number produced 716, entered production in Oct. 1941

Ki.43-IIa - Weight: 2,642kg, 1130hp, Armament 2x12.7mm MG, top speed 320 mph, power loding 2.34kg/hp, number produced 2524, entered production in Oct. 1942
Changes: reduced wingspan, reflector sight added, bomb provisions, pilot armor, primitive self sealing tanks

Ki.43-IIb - Weight: 2,413kg, 1130hp, Armament 2x12.7mm MG, top speed 329 mph, power loding 2.25kg/hp, number produced 1531, entered production in May 1943

Ki.43-IIIa - Weight: 2,725kg, 1190hp, Armament 2x12.7mm MG, top speed 344 mph, power loding 2.25kg/hp, number produced 1098, entered production in Oct. 1944

The sources are Nakajima Ki-43 HayabusaBueschel and Japanese Aircarft of the Pacific War Francillon. There are a few discrepancies between these sources.

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Mr_Nakajima
04-16-2004, 10:24 AM
The Ki-43 was always one of my favurite planes in CFS2. Slow, lightly armed but very manoeverable, every fight in it was a challenge and placed a premium on your skill.

I'm looking forward to it in PF, it will be interesting to try it out against Hurricanes and Buffaloes.

GK.
04-16-2004, 12:39 PM
thanks for clearing that up. Any information available on the effectiveness of japanese machine guns? Apparently they cant be all that bad considering there accounts like Anabuki's where he shot down a couple bombers and two lightnings in one sortie. I hope the modeling of these guns are accurate, i think they were better than the german mgs because they had explosive elements. The german mgs in il2:fb seem relatively useless unless you get engine hits and it is probably only possible to shoot down a maximum of 3 planes with them if you are lucky.

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KIMURA
04-16-2004, 01:14 PM
Japanese guns were inferior to their German templates. Either the Ho-5 or the Type 99 were weaker than the German stuff of which they were made of, the MG151/20 and the MG/FF-20 (Swiss Oerlikon)

Korolov
04-16-2004, 01:15 PM
Lots of Japanese MG and cannon were based upon USAAF weapons. So you can compare their effectiveness to the current rifle caliber and heavy caliber US MG.

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faustnik
04-16-2004, 01:16 PM
GK,

The Japanese Ho-103 12.7 mm MG was based on the .50 M2 but used a smaller projectile and a smaller cartridge.

H0-103: Projectile weight 34.2 grams, muzzle velocity 765mps

.50 M2: Projectile weight 43.3 grams, muzzle velocity 880mps

The Type 89 7.7mm light mg was similar to the Mg17 in projectile weight and volocity.

Type 89: Projectile weight 10.5g, mv 810mps

Mg17: Projectile weight 10.8b, mv 775mps

I will look for specific ammunition loads and characteristics unless someone else comes up with them.

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Jieitai_Tsunami
04-16-2004, 01:33 PM
From my experience in CFS2 commanding a small KI43 1% squad and flying with other pilots in various aircraft. The Hayabusa Ia or Ib

It was the most manoeuvrable fighter in the game.

It was slow but could fly fast because it was light.

The ammo level was very low and not too effective so you must get extremely!! close to the other aircraft and fire at its weakest points. e.g. wing tips.

Really looking forwards to flying against the P38 again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Giganoni
04-16-2004, 04:25 PM
I will strap myself in a Ki-43 II with glee. Strong pilot armor (thicker than a P51B nyaa nyaa http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif), self sealing fuel tanks, and a speed comparable to the Hurricane MKII. Weren't they mostly used in the CBI theater though? Maybe that is just their early carrier.

faustnik
04-16-2004, 05:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
Weren't they mostly used in the CBI theater though? Maybe that is just their early carrier.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The were used a lot in the CBI but, also in the PTO and home defense.

The early models should do well against the F4F and P-40 but, life for the Ki.43-II against the F4U , F6F, P-38 and P-51 will be rough!

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Giganoni
04-16-2004, 05:16 PM
Nah, won't be too rough..don't fear American planes too much, I fear La7's though. When facing those all I can say is two words "Vertical Climb". I don't think the Ki-43 was too good at it, but the Ki-84 is one of the best. In Warbirds it was..and in that one AEP mission where you have to face 4 La7s..thats how I got them off my tail. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Mr_Nakajima
04-17-2004, 01:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GK.:
Any information available on the effectiveness of japanese machine guns? http://data.photodump.com/gk/shidensig.jpg
*Proud Chute Shooter*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Try here:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-in.html

It has references for published books as well, for those of you like me who take anything on the internet with a pinch of salt.

tenmmike
04-17-2004, 02:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr_Nakajima:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GK.:
Any information available on the effectiveness of japanese machine guns? http://data.photodump.com/gk/shidensig.jpg
*Proud Chute Shooter*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Try here:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-in.html

It has references for published books as well, for those of you like me who take anything on the internet with a pinch of salt.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> i have both those books ill supply answeres if ya gotem but you can find 80% of the info on that site

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Ruy Horta
04-17-2004, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
I will strap myself in a Ki-43 II with glee. Strong pilot armor (thicker than a P51B nyaa nyaa http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif), self sealing fuel tanks, and a speed comparable to the Hurricane MKII. Weren't they mostly used in the CBI theater though? Maybe that is just their early carrier.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

According to the TAIC most Japanese self sealing fuel tanks, although baring that name, were ineffective against .50 rounds.

One can devise a self sealing system, although that name does not automatically mean that the system is effective in combat.

Not trying to proof one or the other, just adding an additional piece of information.

Ruy Horta

WereSnowleopard
04-17-2004, 05:17 PM
Luthier,

I wonder if Maddox programmers can create the program on automatic butterfly flap working on Ki-43 and other late planes? Also will we see Ki-44? or you prefer keep planes list secret? Thank you for read and reply that question.

Cheers
Snowleopard

RAC_Pips
04-17-2004, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
Weren't they mostly used in the CBI theater though? Maybe that is just their early carrier.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Ki-43 Hayabusa was the most produced of the IJAAF aircraft. 5919 as compared to it's nearest rivals the Ki-84 Hayate (3514) and the Ki-61/100 Hein (3474).

It served initially over Malaya and the Dutch East Indies, served briefly at Rabaul in the Solomons and then was the mainstay fighter over New Guinea. It also was the prime fighter over Burma and China; and was equal in numbers to
the Hayate in the Philipines.

By '45 it was still in front line service, but was eclipsed by later models. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LEXX_Luthor
04-17-2004, 10:55 PM
First operations were over China, before Pearl Harbour. Some fascinating if short accounts of early AVG vs Ki~43 combat here in lower part of page (later in 1941).

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>24 October 1941
On 24 October nine Ki-43s of the 59th Sentai flew the first operational mission by this aircraft, a sortie over Henyang.

~ (under 1941) http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/sino-japanese.htm
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


They tried Ki~43 ops earlier, but the wings kept falling off. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The 59th Sentai at Hankou was selected as the first unit to receive the new Nakajima Ki-43 Type 1 Fighter "Hayabusa" ("Oscar"). The unit returned to Japan during June-August 1941 to collect some 30 examples of the Ki-43-Ia, which were then flown to Hankou. During these ferry flights and in training flights, folds began appearing in the wings following sharp turns and several mid-air disintegrations occurred. Four or five aircraft out of 20 examined proved to have defectss in the wing construction, and at once the Sentai's ground personnel attempted to install reinforcement. Their efforts proved to be in vain, and the major part of the unit therefore returned to Tachikawa in October to convert to the -Ib model. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The second unit to re-equip with the Nakajima Ki-43 was the 64th Sentai. Pilots returned to the homeland in August from the end of August, receiving their new aircraft at Fussa, near Tokyo. Major Tateo Kato, understood fully why the Ki-43 had been adopted, and at once stressed training in over-sea navigation and long distance flights. Consequently the 64th Sentai pilots were able to achieve ranges of 700 km, whilst those of the 59th Sentai, who had not trained in the same way, could manage only 600 km. However the 64th Sentai remained dissatisfied with the integrity of the wings, and subsequently flew to Tachikawa for to be properly strengthed, then flying back to Canton in November.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>