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Jasko76
08-11-2004, 02:18 AM
Hello Quazi, I tried to PM you, but it didn't work, so I'll ask you this way.

I just figured out while changing a heat-sink that I've got a R360 core in my 9800Pro card, although Aida 32 claims it's a R350. Anyway, I hope you can help me flash the BIOS with an XT BIOS - but only if it's worth the effort and not to complicated. Wouldn't want to end up with a useless card as I can't afford a replacement right now.

Regards,

Jasko
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Jasko76
08-11-2004, 02:18 AM
Hello Quazi, I tried to PM you, but it didn't work, so I'll ask you this way.

I just figured out while changing a heat-sink that I've got a R360 core in my 9800Pro card, although Aida 32 claims it's a R350. Anyway, I hope you can help me flash the BIOS with an XT BIOS - but only if it's worth the effort and not to complicated. Wouldn't want to end up with a useless card as I can't afford a replacement right now.

Regards,

Jasko
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Zmaj od Bosne

ASM 1
08-11-2004, 05:28 AM
Which card have you got? Who makes it?

I'm not Quazi but I have successfully flashed my 9800 pro --> XT so maybe I can help?


anyways, this should be a good read to start with
http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=3&var1=92&var2=0

try their forum on it too - the guys are really helpful
http://forums.rojakpot.com/viewtopic.php?p=99519

Hope this helps

S!

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ThanasisK
08-11-2004, 05:48 AM
Get a spare PCI card just in case. I got 2 ancient S3 Virge for 5 quid. Tried to flash pro->xt 1st time failed, no sweat, I reflashed and all was well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bearcat99
08-11-2004, 06:28 AM
Ive got a 9800 Pro 128 not a 256.. I guess from this article that means I cant do that. Or am I misinterpretting it?

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LuckyBoy1
08-11-2004, 06:52 AM
I'll e-mail this link to Quazi.

I've got one of his modded cards and am very pleased with what he's done for the card. He's getting to be quite the Wizard at getting the most out of the ATI cards. He's done a lot of research and I'm sure he can help you guys. It's flashed speed is now 412 / 365 and I can overclock it to 427 / 375, but I like to have a little fudge room and I'm sure the software program that overclocks it eats a few cycles, so why push it? Now remember, he'll be helping you, not guarranteeing anything, so use your best judgement. however, as long as you don't overclock the card beyong what he has you flash it to and you've got adequate case cooling and power supply, I do not anticipate any problems whatsoever. If you are uncomfortable flashing the card yourself, you can mail the card to him and for a nominal fee, he'll flash it for you.

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Jasko76
08-11-2004, 07:12 AM
Thanks for the replies guys!

My card is a 128 Mb Sapphire 9800Pro (256 bit, ofcourse). I've already overclocked it to 435/360, which is far beyond XT specs. Good thing is the card can go even further, I just like to take it nice and slow when overklocking.

Besides the higher core and memory speed and amound of mem, what are the differences between Pro and XT?

Regards,

Jasko
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Extreme_One
08-11-2004, 07:22 AM
I've got exactly the same card Jasko76 so I'd be interested to know too...

I think the XT has more pixel pipelines doesn't it?

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LuckyBoy1
08-11-2004, 07:27 AM
Nope, no more pipelines, just a faster default clock speed and for anything else it may do for you, you'd have to ask Quazi.

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HH Quazi
08-11-2004, 07:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
Hello Quazi, I tried to PM you, but it didn't work, so I'll ask you this way.

I just figured out while changing a heat-sink that I've got a R360 core in my 9800Pro card, although Aida 32 claims it's a R350. Anyway, I hope you can help me flash the BIOS with an XT BIOS - but only if it's worth the effort and not to complicated. Wouldn't want to end up with a useless card as I can't afford a replacement right now.

Regards,

Jasko
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Zmaj od Bosne<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Jasko76. Luckyboy just emailed me this link. I'm sorry for not seeing this earlier, but I spend most of my forum time in Community Help these days. I'll be glad to assist you in flashing your card m8. First of all, no one can tell if they have the R360 gpu just by one of the types of programs you listed. Thoses programs will only read the cards bios. If it has a Pro's bios, then its going to tell you that it has a R350 gpu. The only way to tell for sure if you have the R360 gpu is to remove the factory heatsink and look for yourself, as you did. It is a fairly simple process, yet complicated in its own right. Because if for some reason the bios doesn't take right, you could end up with a black screen of nothingness. loll Funny? Doesn't sound like it. But if you follow instructions well, you can install the original bios back onto the card. I've ran into the black screen of death several times, but was always able to install the cards original bios for the fix. I ran into that because I was, shall we say, experimenting with the bioses of different card manufactures trying to find which bios would works best with which cards. I now have those worked out and I know which bios will allow the best overclocking for different card manufactures. So far, for the Sapphire and ATI cards, I like the Club3D XT bios. Be prepared to install a better aftermarket heatsink cooler. The extra heat that the XT's bios generates is too much for those weak factory heatsinks on the 128MB 9800Pro. Ramsinks are a good idea to. Once you flash your card to an XT, you will get XT performance, even without the extra 128MB ram. I have tested and benched and tested some more. Retail XT's against flashed 128MB 9800Pro/XT's. I have found no difference in 3DMark03 scores or fr's within FB. I have read many articles that stated that there aren't any games on the market as of now that even come close to utilizing the other 128MB ram on the 256MB 9800Pro. Anyway m8, after I post this, I will copy the link you need to follow. Please, read and re-read the instructions. If you need some one on one communication with me, my email address is hh_quazi@yahoo.com or if you have Yahoo Instant Messenger, my screen name is hh_quazi. I have MSN also but can't remember my screen name off hand. When I post the link back in here, I will leave it also.

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HH Quazi
08-11-2004, 07:39 AM
Here's the link m8: http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=3&var1=92&var2=11 and my screen name on MSN is Quazi. Get in touch if you need to. We can even use comms on Yahoo or MSN or we can even set up a room on TeamSpeak if you want to. Just let me know. If I don't hear from you again, good luck with the flash. You shouldn't have no problems if you follow instructions well. The link also has a link for the bios you need. Be sure to dl a 128 9800XT bios, not a 256MB. Unless you have a 256MB 9800Pro that is. Keep us informed by posting here of your success.

Oh yea, just thought I would pass this along. The X800Pro that is out right now, is flashable to the X800XT PE. If the card is a Sapphire with VIVO capabilities, the modd is a bit different.

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Jasko76
08-11-2004, 07:43 AM
Thanks for the reply, Quazi!

What I've done so far is: I made sure I indeed have an R360 core, Samsung RAM and I've replaced that worthless stock heatsink with an Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer - that should keep it cool http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif! Actually, the heatsink on my card was from a 256MB model - Sapphire seems to be running out of components for their 9800Pro cards!

Regards,

Jasko
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Jasko76
08-11-2004, 07:46 AM
Oh, ****!

This operation requiers a floppy drive, something I haven't had in my PC for years now... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Regards,

Jasko
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LuckyBoy1
08-11-2004, 09:18 AM
See Quazi lives the creed of the Southern Gentleman! Must be that Southern hospitality! That reminds me; when I was taking a microbiology course at a College in Georgia, the instructor was this very proper southern woman. She said, "You know class, since records have been kept, the southeastern States have led the nation in per capita venerial disease rates don't you know, since statistics started being kept back in the 1920's, I wonder why that is"? Not missing a chance to make a smart mouthed comment, I piped up and said, "Oh, that's that southern hospitality Ma'am"! I nearly got expelled from the school for that one! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now with an actual index & more fiber! It is newer & and even more improved! It's Luckyboy's Guide For Complete Users!...

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/luckyboy/LuckyboysGuide2.htm

Luckyboy = Senior hydraulic landing gear designer for the P-11 & Contributing Editor to Complete Users magazine.

HH Quazi
08-11-2004, 09:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
Oh, ****!

This operation requiers a floppy drive, something I haven't had in my PC for years now... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Regards,

Jasko
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Zmaj od Bosne<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Jasko. I have heard of using a cdrom drive and using a program called WinFlash. But, I can't give you any pertinent information on it. I am in Nashille, TN. If you could do with out the card for a week, and get shipping both ways m8, send it this way. I'll flash it and get it back in the mail to you the same day. Priority Mail Service is a 2 day deal if we are pretty close. LB spoke of a nominal charge for me to do these things. And I do normally. But for a fellow FB m8, if you can just get it here and back, I'll flash it for you and test it before I send it back. No problem. Or, you can find/search for the info needed to use your rom drive. www.ocfaq.com (http://www.ocfaq.com) is a good place to start. Just let me know if you want to send it my way m8.

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LuckyBoy1
08-11-2004, 09:59 AM
or you can spend $50.00 plus the cost of the cable maybe and get a floppy drive

Now with an actual index & more fiber! It is newer & and even more improved! It's Luckyboy's Guide For Complete Users!...

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/luckyboy/LuckyboysGuide2.htm

Luckyboy = Senior hydraulic landing gear designer for the P-11 & Contributing Editor to Complete Users magazine.

ThanasisK
08-11-2004, 11:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
Oh, ****!

This operation requiers a floppy drive, something I haven't had in my PC for years now... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Regards,

Jasko
http://users.skynet.be/orbus/Images/husein_kapetan.jpg

Zmaj od Bosne<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dont worrY! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Get a bootable DOS/win98 disk image (perhaps you want to check out FreeDOS). Burn a CD in Nero or other software using the boot image option and use that to boot. I ve flashing my mobo and card and I dont have a flash drive. If you need further help, feel free to ask here or PM me.

ZG77_Nagual
08-11-2004, 11:49 AM
I've got a couple of 9800pro cards - both 128s. One is ATI - about a year old, one is 'hi-tech' or something -and recently purchased (very nice cooling setup came with that card - the ati I modded with a zalman sink and ramsinks). Both overclock beyond the xt spec. Is it worth flashing them to XT if you are allready getting that kind of speed out of them?

HH Quazi
08-11-2004, 01:16 PM
Eh. I personally think it is, but it is debatable. I beieve the more aggresive timings with XT' bios does give a bit of a umph to your card. I've tried both. In game fr's were a bit better for me with the XT's bios. Not by much though.

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ASM 1
08-11-2004, 03:09 PM
Jasko, or anyone else

If you want winflash, PM me your email and I will send it - its not big http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I have used it to successfully flash my card (twice, once with Sapphire bios, and then I changed to club3d, cos I get slightly better performance....)

S!

Andrew

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Jasko76
08-12-2004, 12:39 AM
Well, I just found an old floppy drive in a box full of antiquated hardware! So...

ASM 1 - please send me the Winflash! my address is jasmin.klacar@palab.se


Quazi - I live in Sweden m8! A bit far for sending the card to you, although I sencerely wish I could since I've got more confidence in your skills than my own. So I'll just bite the bullet and give it a go.

P.S.

Clock for clock, the XT is faster than Pro since XT has optimised shaders. So even if you overklock a Pro to XT speed, the XT will be about 500 points faster in 3D Mark. There you have it!

Regards,

Jasko
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Vacillator
08-12-2004, 03:00 AM
The following instructions worked fine for me (with Hynix RAM, so used the Club3D for Hynix):

Credit to whoever wrote the following, not me! Just hope it might help someone.

&gt;&gt;&gt;
Now that you have a R360-cored 9800 Pro card, it's time to see if it can do reach Radeon 9800XT clock speeds before we flash it with a Radeon 9800XT BIOS.
So, use this tool, Radlinker to overclock the card to 412MHz core and 365MHz memory. Test this overclock in 3DMark03, Aquamark03 as well as this program - RTHDRIBL. You will definitely need to replace the card's cooler as mentioned earlier.
Should no artifacts be discovered in any of the above-mentioned software, download either one of the BIOS images below as well as the Flashrom utility.
1. If you have Samsung memory chips on your card, download this BIOS. ( GigaCube 9800XT 128MB BIOS [E-DIE] at http://www.bricard.net/files/GigaCube.9800XT.128MB.Samsung.E-die.bin ) *
2. If you have Hynix memory chips on your card, download this BIOS. ( Club3D 9800XT 128MB BIOS at http://www.bricard.net/files/Club3D.9800XT.128MB.Hynix.rom ) *
3. Download Flashrom v2.23 ( http://www.bricard.net/files/flashrom2.23.zip )to do the actual flashing.
* I only listed these two BIOS images as they appear to be the best of the lot, giving the best overclocking and scores at stock.
Once done, rename either BIOS image into something simpler, like "9800XT.bin" (without the quote marks, of course). If you don't, the flash may not succeed due to the long filename.
After that, copy the selected BIOS image as well as Flashrom v.2.23 into a boot disk.

Restart your computer and boot up using your boot disk. If you don't know how to do this, please do not even consider doing this mod!
At the DOS prompt, type : flashrom -s 0 9800pro.bin
This backs up your current BIOS into a file called "9800pro.bin" into the floppy disk.
After that, type : flashrom -p 0 9800XT.bin
This writes the new BIOS image into your card. The screen may go blank for a few seconds. That's it! You've just flashed your BIOS.
Reboot into Windows and re-install your graphics driver. Make sure you delete and clear out your old graphics driver first. I suggest a tool called DriverCleaner for this and the Omega Drivers for very good customized ATI Catalyst drivers.
&gt;&gt;&gt;

Me again. As mentioned, this worked well for me with the Hynix version, can't vouch for the Samsung.

ASM 1
08-12-2004, 05:08 AM
Jasko

Thats it sent m8http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif -as I said in the message it is easy to use... I've had no problems.... and I've flashed with 3 different BIOSES http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Hope this helps

S!

Andrew

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Il2pelaaja
08-12-2004, 05:47 AM
All this is very good info. I´ve got Sapphire 9800 Pro, 128M, 256bit with Samsung memory.
Do you know which BIOS would the best one to download.

Il2pelaaja
08-12-2004, 05:57 AM
OK, there was info that with Samsung memory cards should use Club3D 9800XT 128MB BIOS, but there is also Sapphire.R9800XT.128MB.Samsung.Rev.01
available.

I wonder if they both are OK for Sapphire 9800 Pro 128, 256bit, samsung memory and R360, or just another one of them.
Thanks!

ASM 1
08-12-2004, 06:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Il2pelaaja:
OK, there was info that with Samsung memory cards should use Club3D 9800XT 128MB BIOS, but there is also Sapphire.R9800XT.128MB.Samsung.Rev.01
available.

I wonder if they both are OK for Sapphire 9800 Pro 128, 256bit, samsung memory and R360, or just another one of them.
Thanks!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You should be fine - as long as the memory types match the ram that is on your card, it does not matter whether you use an ATI, club3d, Sapphire or whatever... BIOS - beleive me I've tried several http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Just make sure that you use a samsung ram BIOS....

S!

Andrew

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Il2pelaaja
08-12-2004, 06:12 AM
Thank You Andrew!

Jasko76
08-13-2004, 12:58 AM
Thank you Andrew, I just got the file and will give it a go as soon as I get a back up PCI card - don't want to take any chances here!

Regards,

Jasko
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ASM 1
08-13-2004, 03:12 AM
no problem guys! glad to have been able to help http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

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Il2pelaaja
08-13-2004, 03:44 AM
Great! I did it using GigaCube 9800XT 128MB BIOS [E-DIE] for samsung and it works fine.
The control panel says that it is
9800 XT!!!
Because it takes a couple of days to get me a Artic VGA silencer (is that the best one or what do you recommmend) I have undercloked the setting to 378 and 337 (to the normal pro settings to avoid overheating) When I get the better cooler I start overclocking. How far should I go to be safe, what do you suggest?
Thanks again, this has been really valuable info for me!

Vacillator
08-13-2004, 03:55 AM
Congrats Il2pelaaja http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The Arctic VGA Silencer is the one I use. Easy to fit and works fine. As for speeds, I'm running my card at default XT speeds (412/365) but I know it'll go quite a bit faster. There is an ATI function (which is either part of Cat4.7 or the Omega version I'm using) which tests for max speeds if you want to be more adventurous.

Il2pelaaja
08-13-2004, 04:58 AM
Yes, I think I will buy the artic silencer too and use those settings.

HH Quazi
08-13-2004, 07:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
Well, I just found an old floppy drive in a box full of antiquated hardware! So...

ASM 1 - please send me the Winflash! my address is jasmin.klacar@palab.se


Quazi - I live in Sweden m8! A bit far for sending the card to you, although I sencerely wish I could since I've got more confidence in your skills than my own. So I'll just bite the bullet and give it a go.

P.S.

Clock for clock, the XT is faster than Pro since XT has optimised shaders. So even if you overklock a Pro to XT speed, the XT will be about 500 points faster in 3D Mark. There you have it!

Regards,

Jasko
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Zmaj od Bosne<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, I thought about that after I offered to flash it for you. loll But it looks like ASM has taken care of business here. He's a goodun. He has helped me with allot of advice in the past. Flashing isn't that big of a deal and I am glad you had no problems m8.

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Jasko76
08-13-2004, 09:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Il2pelaaja:
Great! I did it using GigaCube 9800XT 128MB BIOS [E-DIE] for samsung and it works fine.
The control panel says that it is
9800 XT!!!
Because it takes a couple of days to get me a Artic VGA silencer (is that the best one or what do you recommmend) I have undercloked the setting to 378 and 337 (to the normal pro settings to avoid overheating) When I get the better cooler I start overclocking. How far should I go to be safe, what do you suggest?
Thanks again, this has been really valuable info for me!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Currently my card is at 440/365 mate with VGA Silencer. Due to some quirk the fan is rotating in the opposite direction, i.e. it's sucking the air INSIDE! tried to reverse the polarity but it doesn't work. Anyway, it seems to be doing it's job well so I'm happy with it.

Congrats on succesful upgrade!

Regards,

Jasko
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Il2pelaaja
08-16-2004, 11:09 AM
Thank You, Jasko!

NN_EnigmuS
08-16-2004, 11:22 AM
in talking about radeon9800pro,i m gonna buy a powercolor ati radeon 9800 pro 128mo(256mbit) 380/340,is it a good card in the radeon 9800 pro series(i was on nvidia side before lol)

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Jasko76
08-17-2004, 01:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
in talking about radeon9800pro,i m gonna buy a powercolor ati radeon 9800 pro 128mo(256mbit) 380/340,is it a good card in the radeon 9800 pro series(i was on nvidia side before lol)

http://www.nnavirex.com/public/enigmus.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes, PowerColor's 9800Pro is a good card, as good as they get. Very overclockable, too! Actually, my two "finalist" cards were PowerColor and Sapphire, but as I found a very good deal on Sapphire 9800, I bought it.

Regards,

Jasko
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