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DD_NL
06-10-2004, 02:13 PM
I'm sure a lot of you are also undecided on which is their favorite ac. I've spent so many nights trying them all out in different scenarios. I want to try to focus on one plane for a while and really learn how to fly it. I havent figured out the differences in the models though. Of all the B109's, which is best? Same goes for the FW's, P47's, P51's, Yak's etc.
I do really love the BF109's though, dang those things are like tanks with wings, lol.
So let's say I will stick with the BF109 for a while, which one should I pick?

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DD_NL
06-10-2004, 02:13 PM
I'm sure a lot of you are also undecided on which is their favorite ac. I've spent so many nights trying them all out in different scenarios. I want to try to focus on one plane for a while and really learn how to fly it. I havent figured out the differences in the models though. Of all the B109's, which is best? Same goes for the FW's, P47's, P51's, Yak's etc.
I do really love the BF109's though, dang those things are like tanks with wings, lol.
So let's say I will stick with the BF109 for a while, which one should I pick?

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KarayaEine
06-10-2004, 02:29 PM
I like the Emil personally. The E-7/Z is one of my favorites. Good weight of fire and manueverability. I fly this whenever I get the chance.

Freidrichs aren't bad either. The Gustavs are a bit on the heavy side for any sort of TnB. They lose their energy quickly. For superior BnZ you can't go wrong with the Kurfurst.

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DeBaer.534
06-10-2004, 02:41 PM
"I do really love the BF109's though, dang those things are like tanks with wings, lol."

Either i didnt get the irony, or you mean fuel tanks...
you mean fuel tanks, dont you? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Chuck_Older
06-10-2004, 02:47 PM
DD,

I can't tell you what the best model of any plane is for anyone to fly but me


Pick a plane you like, and fly it. Don't worry about "best", you are doing this for fun, remember, not to do a feasibility study on various chances of success based on variables of flight due to superlatives of one specific aircraft versus another in any particular situation http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Go fly and have fun.

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WOLFMondo
06-10-2004, 02:50 PM
Until we get the Tempest the P47 is the plane for me.

Needs allot of Patience but it pays off.

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Resident_Jock
06-10-2004, 02:50 PM
Why not use the one in your sig? I happen to like using it and have some success (though if my ping were better I think I wouldn't be in as many crashes) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Red_Russian13
06-10-2004, 06:56 PM
Any Bf-109, really. I like the P-63 too. Tried it the other day, and thought it was alright.

Just for me though...

Red Russian

meh_cd
06-10-2004, 07:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Resident_Jock:
Why not use the one in your sig? I happen to like using it and have some success (though if my ping were better I think I wouldn't be in as many crashes) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://thecasualty.homestead.com/files/resident_siggy.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Chainsawofdoom
06-10-2004, 07:18 PM
My personal favorite is the G-10 version. It's tough enough, very fast, and has the devestating 108 cannon firing through the prop spinner.
It's not the most maneuverable plane, but wonderful for Boom & Zoom. If one single shot connects from that evil cannon, almost anything explodes into confette at once. Even Sturmoviks.

There are other great planes, but I've found that with sticking with the Gustav 10, I'm learning "the ways of the beast" well and learning to exploit its strengths and hide its weaknesses. It also doesn't hurt that it's such a pretty plane, IMHO! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pick a plane that you personally like and stick with her. Treat her right and she'll return the favor.

NegativeGee
06-10-2004, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DD_NL:
I'm sure a lot of you are also undecided on which is their favorite ac. I've spent so many nights trying them all out in different scenarios. I want to try to focus on one plane for a while and really learn how to fly it. I havent figured out the differences in the models though. Of all the B109's, which is best? Same goes for the FW's, P47's, P51's, Yak's etc.
I do really love the BF109's though, dang those things are like tanks with wings, lol.
So let's say I will stick with the BF109 for a while, which one should I pick?

http://home.tiscali.nl/ddonline/IL-2/doolittledday.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ib have to admit I have a soft spot for the standard G-6. I'm a fan of all the 109's, but the G-6 seems to have a certain challenge to it in a "historical" line up of aircraft.

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JG7_Rall
06-10-2004, 07:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
DD,

_I_ can't tell _you_ what the best model of any plane is for anyone to fly but _me_


Pick a plane you like, and fly it. Don't worry about "best", you are doing this for _fun_, remember, not to do a feasibility study on various chances of success based on variables of flight due to superlatives of one specific aircraft versus another in any particular situation http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Go fly and have fun.

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree, but I'll give you a quick breakdown of the 109's since I've been flying them for a while and was once in your position.

The best way to get raw stats is IL2 compare, but if you choose a plane based alone on this, you probably wont be flying the exact model you really want. The only way is to try them all out. But here's a summary of them all.

Emils-They are, for the most part, pretty similar. They have the MGFF guns in the wings which have a bit harder hitting power since you have 2 of them, but the RoF and muzzle velocity aren't anything to write home about. The Emils, like all 109's, climb like there's no tomorrow. So when facing planes of a similar year, use your greater engine power and climbrate to E fight them. The Emils maneuver fairly well but don't turn the best.

Fredrichs-These are the best 109's for maneuverability. The gun power, esp. the F2, is lacking, but you can out maneuver almost any opponent especially with combat flaps and manual prop pitch (a MUST for all 109's besides emils). If you are into TnB style fighting with a bit of E fighting, this is the ride for you. I would choose the F4 because it is almost identicle to the F2 as far as maneuverability goes but it has the MG151/20 as opposed to the underpowered MG151/15

Gustavs-This is where the fighting style for 109's really changes. For the most part, the G's are BnZ planes, esp. those equipped with mark 108 cannons. The G2 is a lot like the Fredrichs, however, so it can be flown in a similar fasion. The G6 is still maneuverable to a degree but the engine performs poorly and is underpowered. The G6/AS, my personal favorite, is an excellent contender for anything you throw against it. It's climb is great, it isn't too heavy so that it can't maneuver, and the engine is so strong and the Thrust to Weight ratio is so great that the sustained turn (esp. with manual pitch) means you can out turn or hang in a turn with any plane out there (besides biplanes of course). You can either use the 20mm cannon or the mark 108 on this bird, so the weapon choices are very nice. It also features the more powerful MG17 machine guns which will help if you run out of cannon ammo and want to have ANY hope at downing the plane.

Now, the G14, G10, and K4 are all closely related. The G14, IMO, is the best turner of them all, and the K4 clearly has the climbrate. The G10 is a lot like both of them blended into one plane, at least that's how I see it. They all have only the mark 108 cannon ( http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ) so always get really close before firing it.

That's all I guess, I hope I helped you out! The 109's are really fun planes to fly that have a lot of character, and despite what some people think, they will give any plane a run for its money when flown properly. S!

Hutch

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JG7_Rall
06-10-2004, 07:43 PM
Sorry-I'm somtimes unclear when I type fast!

When I said I agree, I meant with Chuck.

When I said I would explain the 109's, I was talking to DD_NL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S!

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JG7_Rall
06-10-2004, 07:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Same goes for the FW's, P47's, P51's, ... etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FW's-Where do I start? This was and still is my favorite plane series of all time, but I have been flying the 109 more lately due to modelling issues and to try to broaden my horizons. I'll try to give you a brief layout, maybe Zen would be better off telling you this.

A4 and A5 are both very maneuverable (for 190's that is) but should still stick to BnZ tactics/energy fighting. With these planes, however, you have a bit more leeway for mistakes.

A6-Fly it like a A5, but with 20mm's across the whole board *drools*

A8 and A9-Strict BnZ. They are both very heavy and have limited climb rate, so strike with your awesome firepower and extend away with a slow climb.

Dora's-My favorite out of them all. Always energy fight and force your opponent to bleed his E, then position yourself behind him and shoot him down. You can use BnZ, but the firepower is a bit less so you'll have less success with one-pass kills with this bird. It can be done, of course.

P-47- Very simple. D10 and D22 have a lot less visibility but roll and maneuver better than the D27. The D27 can carry a larger load of ordinance and has much better view, but maneuverability is a bit less. Patch really helped the roll on this sucker though! My favorite allied plane by far.

P51-Easy as well. B and C are better turners and all around maneuverers, but the presence of only 4 .50's is noticeable. Just cover your target with lead for a longer amount of time and he'll go down, it just takes patience. D5 and 20 both don't maneuver as well, but have better visibility, more guns, and the 20 has that nifty gunsight. Try them all and see what one you like.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...Yak's etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ewwwww http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

S!

Hutch

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DD_NL
06-11-2004, 01:06 PM
Thanks for the replies all, this will give me something to chew on. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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