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kfurni
07-08-2004, 11:46 AM
Hi all,

I know that we are getting the Hellcat in PF but I was wondering if we will get different versions. I would be nice to see the F6F-5 and F6F-5N version with 2x20mm cannons and 4x50 cals, nice. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'll just have to wait for the aircraft listing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

kfurni
07-08-2004, 11:46 AM
Hi all,

I know that we are getting the Hellcat in PF but I was wondering if we will get different versions. I would be nice to see the F6F-5 and F6F-5N version with 2x20mm cannons and 4x50 cals, nice. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'll just have to wait for the aircraft listing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Fliger747
07-08-2004, 11:55 AM
Or how about the F6F-6, which never made it into production, with an uprated R2800, with a top speed well over 400 mph!

I truly wish that this series was opened up for third party aircraft development, as is a competitors product. Many aircraft sub-types and unusual configurations are possible. Additionally flight charcteristics can be tweaked for a more realistic result for each aircraft.

kfurni
07-08-2004, 01:43 PM
Hi

I must admit I would rather have Oleg and his team add AC and AC data and not third party developers, its nice to see the aircraft models that people are making for AEP and PF but thats as far as I would go with regards to 'outside' people adding to the sims.

I have had downlods of aircraft for Strike fighter and although very good it does put me off when I see I have to use a cockpit from one AC to replace one thats not been made or that the flight madel is not correct.

Then we get the the aircraft the never flew eg the flying wing nice model but I have never flew it same goes for the 109Z.

I'm only interested in AC that flew in that time not the 'what if'.

No off offence inteded

Regards kfurni

Flying_Merkava
07-08-2004, 01:43 PM
http://www.acepilots.com/planes/specs.html
That site doesn't show any Hellcats having 2 20mm's it was prolly a field mod.
Though there is a Corsair F4U-1C with 4 20's.
But the F4U-4 was 30mph faster and better climb.

VW-IceFire
07-08-2004, 02:53 PM
From here: http://www.chuckhawks.com/hellcat.htm
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The F6F-5 could carry drop tanks, bombs, or rockets externally. Most were armed with the standard 6-.50 cal. MG, but some late production airplanes were armed with 2-20mm cannon and 4-.50 cal. MG.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And from here: http://www.acepilots.com/planes/f6f_hellcat.html
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The basic weaponry consisted of six wing-mounted .50 caliber machine guns, each with 400 rounds of ammunition. Many, including all F6F-5N and F6F-5P variants substituted a 20mm cannon with 200 rounds for the innermost machine gun in each wing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was not a field modification by any stretch of the imagination. My squadron signal book on the aircraft also shows the configuration of the guns in a wireframe drawing.

Late F6F-5's were sometimes outfitted with this armament. Others were standard 6 .50cal armed.

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Yellonet
07-08-2004, 04:54 PM
Yes, let's have all the planes that didn't see any action in PF!
Why not throw in a 1950s jet or two, they were only a few years late, you know theoretically the war could have gone on many more years.. so we could have late 1950 early 1960s jets in PF WOHOO! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif


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ElAurens
07-08-2004, 05:59 PM
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g220000/g224669.jpg

The FM2 pwnz j00!!!

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CowboyTodd41
07-08-2004, 06:38 PM
yea yea!

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VW-IceFire
07-08-2004, 10:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yellonet:
Yes, let's have all the planes that didn't see any action in PF!
Why not throw in a 1950s jet or two, they were only a few years late, you know theoretically the war could have gone on many more years.. so we could have late 1950 early 1960s jets in PF WOHOO! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif


- Yellonet<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Several hundred Hellcats were configured as such. Considering that a number of major types only flew with several hundred total produced its sort of hard to make the connection you are trying to make. Infact, its very sarcastic and totally unwarranted.

This armament type was prevalent on F6F-5 Hellcat models on all of the N and P types and some of the standard ones as well. The USN believed that 20mm would be the way to eventually go and they started doing that with the later Hellcat and the Helldiver (which started with an initial 4x.50cal and wound up with 2x20mm).

This is not some rare and obscure armament type that was tested in non-combat conditions.

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kfurni
07-09-2004, 12:28 AM
Thanks all

VW-Icefire thanks for confirming the 2x20mm cannons on the Hellcat F6F-5 versions, I was begining to wonder if I had imagined it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Hellcat.htm

Armament:

Six fixed forward firing 0.5in Browning wing guns with 400 rounds per gun (some F6F-5 and F6F-5N Hellcats had two 20 mm cannon plus four 0.5 inch machine-guns)
Underwing attachments for six rockets
Centre-section pylons for up to 2,000 lb of bombs


Regards kfurni http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-09-2004, 07:22 AM
F6F-3's and F6F-5's both with 6 .50's should suffice just fine.



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a50calhal
07-09-2004, 10:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kfurni:
Thanks all

VW-Icefire thanks for confirming the 2x20mm cannons on the Hellcat F6F-5 versions, I was begining to wonder if I had imagined it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Hellcat.htm

_Armament:_

Six fixed forward firing 0.5in Browning wing guns with 400 rounds per gun (some F6F-5 and F6F-5N Hellcats had two 20 mm cannon plus four 0.5 inch machine-guns)
Underwing attachments for six rockets
Centre-section pylons for up to 2,000 lb of bombs


Regards kfurni http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://img4.photobucket.com/albums/v111/Hellcatf6f/Hellcat-f6f.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



I wonder why the designers didnt include abubble canopy like alot of other a/c?
I heard
that it was designed from a captured zero, even with all the framing the zero had better visability.
Just curious

VW-IceFire
07-09-2004, 01:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by a50calhal:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kfurni:
Thanks all

VW-Icefire thanks for confirming the 2x20mm cannons on the Hellcat F6F-5 versions, I was begining to wonder if I had imagined it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Hellcat.htm

_Armament:_

Six fixed forward firing 0.5in Browning wing guns with 400 rounds per gun (some F6F-5 and F6F-5N Hellcats had two 20 mm cannon plus four 0.5 inch machine-guns)
Underwing attachments for six rockets
Centre-section pylons for up to 2,000 lb of bombs


Regards kfurni http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://img4.photobucket.com/albums/v111/Hellcatf6f/Hellcat-f6f.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



I wonder why the designers didnt include abubble canopy like alot of other a/c?
I heard
that it was designed from a captured zero, even with all the framing the zero had better visability.
Just curious<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Designed from a captured Zero? What books have you been reading and where did you get them?

Grumman was first contracted by the Navy to build them a new fighter in June 1941. First flight of the prototype which really didn't change all that drastically between prototype and production (some aircraft have radical redesigns, the Hellcat was nearly the same right off the bat) occured in June of 1942. By that time the USN had experienced the Zero but the design owes nothing to the Zero at all except by that time the Navy needed a strong powerful new fighter to replace the Wildcat.

The captured Zero did help shed light on its weaknesses (i.e. the lack of armor protection and horsepower) but it didn't really influence the Hellcat design much at all. Grumman was interested in speed, firepower, and climb as were all major designers during that period except in Japan (with a few exceptions).

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grist
07-10-2004, 08:43 PM
USN info on Hellcat (http://history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/f6f-5.pdf)

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