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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:34 AM
All,

I have had a Saitek X35/36 combo for 4-5 years. I've learned to cope with the "features" of this stick; it is very particular about co-existing with other devices. Anayway, I picked up IL2:FB today and noticed how much noise was being sent from the stick. So much so that I cannot play due to the amount of yaw that the stick is sending to the game. I re-calibrated and even setup the max dead-zones within FB, but nothing worked...

SO, my question to you all is will the saitek X45/46 Combo be better behaved since its USB and digital? Do you guys suggest that I just purchase a new device to solve my problems? I'm willing to do this, as a matter of fact was planning on it, but wanted to know if this is a feature of serial connectivity within the X35/36 or if this is something I can expect from the USB version too.

Hopefully the Saitek experts out there can give me some advice.

Thank you all for helping.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:34 AM
All,

I have had a Saitek X35/36 combo for 4-5 years. I've learned to cope with the "features" of this stick; it is very particular about co-existing with other devices. Anayway, I picked up IL2:FB today and noticed how much noise was being sent from the stick. So much so that I cannot play due to the amount of yaw that the stick is sending to the game. I re-calibrated and even setup the max dead-zones within FB, but nothing worked...

SO, my question to you all is will the saitek X45/46 Combo be better behaved since its USB and digital? Do you guys suggest that I just purchase a new device to solve my problems? I'm willing to do this, as a matter of fact was planning on it, but wanted to know if this is a feature of serial connectivity within the X35/36 or if this is something I can expect from the USB version too.

Hopefully the Saitek experts out there can give me some advice.

Thank you all for helping.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:49 AM
I had an X35/36 USB and I had a number of problems with the SST drivers when I switched to XP. The inputs worked fine but the multiple keystroke commands were very limited They fixed it pretty well and I didn't want to give up the rudder control on the throttle but I bought a HOTAS Cougar for a cockpit I built. At first I didn't like it but after I tweeked the input curves & learned to program it I wouldn't trade it. If you can afford the Cougar & Rudders it is alot better! (and my 2 year old can't break it even though he tries really hard)

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 02:16 AM
I cannot use any gameport device on my system, everything is way too jumpy. I have an x35/36 USB, and it behaves perfectly

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 04:10 AM
Yeah, the Cougar is the Holy Grail of HOTAS, but I simply can't justify the expense. I categorize myself as a "weekend warrior" and therefore have trouble with a ~$300 USD desk weight. Believe me, if cost were no issue, I'd have the Cougar.

I think USB is probably the way to go to reduce/eliminate the noise issues I experience.

BTW, I plugged in my OLD Thrustmaster FCS and that has a fair amount of "noise" too. I suspect that the problem is in the GamePort (integrated into the ASUS motherboard).

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 04:44 AM
The cougar is the holy grail of 1980's joysticks, but until it gets with the 21st century and adds force feedback, it will be nothing more than an overpriced metal ding ****.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 05:02 AM
My best advise to you is to get a Microsoft FF2. I use mine in conjucntion with my X45 and it is an awesome combo. My flying is greatly improved since about two weeks ago when I started this. I did not come up with this solution, it was Bearcat who originally posted this. I owe him.
I did some research on the Cougar and decided it was not for me. Only one person said it was good out the box. Most people said the mods were needed. Even worse when I tried to contact people about the mods, noone answered my emails! I think it is an overpriced joy as is, Why spend more on the mods. Nothing can give you the feedback that the Force Feedback does. For the price of the Cougar you can get a set of CH pro pedals and an X45 and allmost have enough for the FF2.
Thats my opinion.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:59 AM
Got a question for you Maico! I just got the MS Force Feedback 2, and gave my Non FF sidewinder to a friend who has a malfunctioning (rudder twist grip is screwy) joystick. I gave him my good one, and want to use his old one because 1)he's a good friend, and 2)maybe now he'll fly online with me in FB. I asked him to give me the old one, figuring I could use it's throttle for stuff like trim, and extra buttons for either engine management or bombsight controls. Do you know how to set up using two joysticks in FB? Is it just a matter of using the HOTAS setup in the controls section? Using XP, can I set up two joysticks in the control panel? Sorry about the flood of questions, but you seem to be exactly the guy I need to ask them.

Edit: Just for your info - my buddy didn't like the sidewinder, so I hooked it back up along with my FF2, and use it primarily for engine controls and I use the throttle on it for elevator trim. I don't care what people say.. having elevator trim on a wheel reacts exactly like real planes do with trim wheels. It operates at a realistic speed, and I think it's definately the way to go! I've got buttons 5-8 set up to select engines #1-4 (since nothing flyable in the game has more than 4 engines), the hat side to side for rudder trim, button 2 for select all engines, 1 for ignition, 3 for select all left engines, and 4 for right engines.

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Message Edited on 08/10/03 03:00PM by Aardvark892

Message Edited on 08/10/0304:43PM by Aardvark892

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:39 AM
Ardvark:
I am quite familiar now with setting up gaming devices in windows. However I am not an XP user. My XP experience was sooo bad I had to give it up. However, some guys swear by XP so dont listen to everything I say :-).
You are absolutely right. Just plug in the joy and assign away! The primary stick you set up in HOTAS. The secondary you assign keys. As a matter of fact you can assign anything anywhere. YOu can also change the assignments to make one stick ID1 or ID2. This helps me cos I assigned ID1 to my FF2, ID2 to the X45 and ID3 to my pedals.

Let me know if you need any more advise

Maico

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 09:42 AM
Maico,
Thanks for the prompt reply. The only question I have now is, I've assigned almost everything on stick 2 to engine controls. So what do I do with it when I'm flying a single engine plane? The only thing useful on it then is the trim wheel. Wish there was some way to have certain key setups for certain planes, or at least types of planes!


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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 09:51 AM
Hey I was a SSgt too. But to answer your question. I use keys 1-0 for engine controls. 1 select eng 1, 2select eng 2, ect. The stick is too valuable for these keys. I use the joy for more imminent keys. I.E. landing gear, radiator, view to enemy, paddlock ect. Use this wisely. Make you a profile using Excell as I did. It will take you a while and it will change many times till you get comfy. I post these on my monitor for a while till i get comfy with it.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 10:51 AM
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Message Edited on 08/10/0309:53AM by RocketDog

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:07 PM
The X45 is better in digital sense of it. No spikes (not yet there is!) and easier to set up. The stick is much stiffer though and that takes time to get things right again. Did you use the gameport or USB on the X35-36 ? I had the X36 with gameport and couldn´t use the programming ability with winXP. But now I have the X45, and with that low cost it to buy it, it´s the best out there if you´re looking for HOTAS. And yes, I want the Cougar but it´s not worth the money and you need a rudder.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 01:41 PM
THe X45 I had for two years has never spiked. The cup under the stick finnally failed. So I bought a new one. The thing is I dont use the joy. I use the FF2 for a joy.
I beleive the pedals are a good adition no matter what stick you have. HOWEVER I beleive you absolutely need them if you use an X45. The X45s rudder stinks.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 03:00 PM
Thanks Gazoo. I have the Gameport version of the X35/36. I believe it was the first edition that Saitek released of the HOTAS. I'm running Win98SE so have no issues with the programming software; albeit quirky at times.

I think I'll be purchasing the digital version today. I'll report back how things workout.

Thanks to all who responded.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 03:43 PM
The X45 has a way to develop different profiles. I just got mine a week ago and haven't had a lot of time to tinker with it, but I think you could have a profile for multi's and single engine A/C. You probably can also set it up for specific aircraft.
I'm using mine with a M$FFB/2 and think the setup's pretty cool. My wife thinks I've gone off the deep end.
Have fun.
hobiewan
BTW Bearcat has a profile ready for download at his website. You'll have to look back a week or so but it's there.

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08-12-2003, 05:58 AM
Hey Hobie how do you like the profile? Did you really explore it? I hope you enjoy it. It is on the Redtail site in my sig for anyone interested.

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