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GA_
04-13-2004, 11:59 AM
If you can choose between 109G2, 109F4 and 190A5 what plane would you prefer, and why.

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GA_
04-13-2004, 11:59 AM
If you can choose between 109G2, 109F4 and 190A5 what plane would you prefer, and why.

GA
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DuxCorvan
04-13-2004, 12:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GA_:
If you can choose between 109G2, 109F4 and 190A5 what plane would you prefer, and why.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can choose. So, I fly them all. Because I have them all, and it's absurd to buy a game with all those choices, and limit oneself to a few.

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Schwifty_161
04-13-2004, 12:11 PM
If this were real life I'd go with the 190. I just like them better. They look more mean and brutish, and they outperformed even the spitfires in everything but turning. (the 190 A's in general)

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lbhskier37
04-13-2004, 12:12 PM
190 A5 is one of the most dangerous planes in the game if you fly in packs. My favorite ride by far right now.

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TheGozr
04-13-2004, 12:16 PM
A9

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KaRaYa-X
04-13-2004, 12:16 PM
Well I would go with the G2! It's my alltime favourite since IL2 Original

It climbs very good and can still hold it's own in 1944. It turns relatively good and has nice stall characteristics. The only downside is the extremly ineffective 20mm... You will need several well aimed bursts right now to down an enemy...

Choice number 2 would be the A5. It climbs almost as well as the G2, has an amazing firepower, can take some punishment and has great high-speed handling qualities. However it's just not as maneuvrable and does not accelerate as well as the Bf109 planes...

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Venom079
04-13-2004, 12:22 PM
love to fly'em all and getting better with the 190's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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p1ngu666
04-13-2004, 12:24 PM
190a5
cant fly a 109 wellhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
04-13-2004, 12:31 PM
Fb109 Email is my fave, its a classic, sorry, but...

In real life, Fb109 can win a dogfight. Fw190 can win a WAR.


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VW-IceFire
04-13-2004, 12:54 PM
FW190A-5 is the best in that lineup. If you have speed and or altitude then you are king in this fighter. WEP is available and firepower is impressive.

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clint-ruin
04-13-2004, 12:58 PM
109G2 is a lot more surgical and probably better against fighters, 190A5 is definitely a better sturmovik/bomber killer/a2g plane. Like lexx says, it's something you bring to win the war with rather than medals.

I still think the 109F2 is the most underrated of the bunch, it's an engine killing machine if your aim is good enough.

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GA_
04-13-2004, 01:17 PM
Thx for you good feedback gentshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I have now tryed to set up the above planes in quick mission dogfight against Lagg, Ln5 and P-40M.
And in dogfight I have to say that the 109G2 is the one that suits my stick besthttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Good power on the engine and can climb and do the hammerhead and beats the enmey on the top to kill them off in the dive. Love that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
And it seams to hav ethe best manovers and gives good warning when its about to stall or gett in drobbel.

109F4 is about the same as the 109G2, but miss some of the engive power there I think. It dos not fits me just as good as the 109G2.

190A-5, that plane feel like its nervous and it shakes and stall faster then the others. The gun power is probely best herehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. But the handel dos not feel as good as the 109G2.

So I think the 109G2 is my nr 1 at the moment and F4 good 2 and 190A5 som more behindhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Wil try out more of queck missions to test them out more. Just thought it would be nice to pcik one favorit and stick to it and try to be real good in it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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BlitzPig_DDT
04-13-2004, 02:06 PM
Lexx, "109 Email"? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also, I've always wondered why you reverse the manufacturer designation into "Fb" rather than "Bf".

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carguy_
04-13-2004, 02:06 PM
F4 becuse I hate FW190 and I can`t see anything behind the G2.

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WUAF_Boxer
04-13-2004, 02:27 PM
A5 hands down. Flown properly it is almost unbeatable.

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mortoma
04-13-2004, 02:53 PM
I thought the A8 was suppose to be better than the A5?? But I would pick th A5 if I could only fly one. If you had the 109F2 among he choices, I would have picked it over the rest. Despite everyone saying you can't kill anything with it's gun. They are wrong, you can kill anything with it. I can shoot down a PE-8 every time in a F2. It handles better than all the other 109s combined, just a tad too slow but fast enough.

[This message was edited by mortoma on Tue April 13 2004 at 02:09 PM.]

JG7_Rall
04-13-2004, 03:54 PM
A8 is too heavy IMO...

I'd choose the A5, great firepower and CAN win a dogfight as well as the war (in this case the map) when flown properly.

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crazyivan1970
04-13-2004, 04:04 PM
G-2 all the way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Schwifty_161
04-13-2004, 04:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:

In real life, Fb109 can win a dogfight. Fw190 can win a WAR.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh 190 A's rocked in real life man. The english called them butcher birds. After the finally captured one, they had to change alot of things on the spitfire to even keep up with them.
http://www.odyssey.dircon.co.uk/VBv190.htm
There's mah proof! The 190 A's should be out performing the spits in game in everything but turning. They have better accelleration even on the ground from a stop, better roll rates, more firepower, more horsepower and better climbing rates. Cant say that about your G-2's and F-4's can you?

109's win dogfights, 190's just win!

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Von_Zero
04-13-2004, 04:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
F4 becuse I hate FW190 and I can`t see anything behind the G2.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll second that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif Not that i hate the 190 that much, but it really requires ALOT of patience to get used to it and fly it right.
On the other hand, the 109, any version is just like a glove(literaly) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif, it can get you out of any situation, in wich a FW, would not last as long (for example: if you end flying low and slow in a Fw190, with a La5 on your tail, your surviving chanses are not too great, when a G2, or even a F4 can always spiral climb and accelerate much better than any soviet or 190).
I generaly prefer the G2, but the F4 can do just as well. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Schwifty_161
04-13-2004, 04:37 PM
If you end up on the deck in a 190 being chased thats where the outstanding roll rate comes into play!

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Hunde_3.JG51
04-13-2004, 04:56 PM
A-5, because it is a FW-190 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Superior speed, firepower, toughness, roll, versatility, and high speed handling compared to G-2 and F-4 (and G-6). The FW-190A5 is the best plane in the '43 planeset IMO if used correctly.

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Jetbuff
04-13-2004, 06:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GA_:
If you can choose between 109G2, 109F4 and 190A5 what plane would you prefer, and why.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Funnily enough, you just named my 3 FAVOURITE LW planes all in one breath. Add the P-40E and Lagg3 series 4 to the mix and you have my all time FB favourites.

When it comes right down to the wire it's a toss up between the F-4 and the A-5 though. G-2 is too limited visibility-wise for my liking and doesn't compensate for that with impressive firepower like the A-5.

F-4 is an agile plane and just beautiful for down-n-dirty dogfighting. Flying as part of a team though, I doubt you'd find anything to compare with the 190A-5. It's AWESOME!

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Geshausen
04-13-2004, 06:24 PM
Call me crazy, but somewhere I beleive I read the 109G-2 had 3 20mm! Am I delusional, or were there any G-2's that had that armamanet.

Oh yea, I pick the 190. Just love that firepower, why have 1 20mm when you can have 4? hehehehehe.

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Arm_slinger
04-13-2004, 06:28 PM
G2- very good all across the board
F4- Not bad, feels limited for speed, and i feel is very fragile

A5 HATE IT, i cant fly the 190's at all- way way way too stally.

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HunterZer0
04-13-2004, 07:51 PM
All those planes are great, but have a particular fondness for the 190A5. If you stay fast in it, it will treat you right, and has the firepower to knock out enemies with a quick pass. The 109's elevator response is bad at speed just when the handling of the 190 starts to shine.

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lil_labbit
04-13-2004, 07:55 PM
I tossed them all up - threw em in the air and then i tried to catch one... (I was blindfolded ofcause).


Now you guys tell me - which one did I catch ? - Do I haveto fly it now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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WaffenKatze
04-13-2004, 08:26 PM
190A5 because as who said before
It's FW And I love them.

and I've somewhere read, Galland used modified 109 which has equiped More cannon than regular Bf so guess he's g2 have 3 cannon (like he's emil in bob, he used nosecannon with it..)

[This message was edited by Kazimiera on Tue April 13 2004 at 07:38 PM.]

Snow_Wolf_
04-13-2004, 08:59 PM
BF-109F4 for early war since it can climb very well and go a good turn rate (not as good as the F2 but still good)

But for midwar I take a Fw-190 A5 since it firepower and got a sweet load out. And with good wingmen it can hold well.

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Hunde_3.JG51
04-13-2004, 10:12 PM
Geshausen, the 3x20mm 109G-2 probably referred to the underwing gondolas housing 1 20mm 151/20 cannon each. This gave the 109 a total of 3 20mm cannons but performance suffered so badly that in Galland's words "it rendered the 109 ineffective in fighter vs. fighter combat."

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Franzen
04-14-2004, 05:17 AM
If I want to dogfight then I fly the G2, no question. But I like the A5 cause it's so tough. It's roll rate is incredible and I happen to like the stall. What other plane can be pulled out of a stall so quickly? If you're not good like me and you've lost your speed and you've got an La sniffing your butt, just stall and recover and the butt sniffer becomes a victim. he'll fly right past you if the initial speed is low enough. At least it has worked that way for me. But thx for this thread, it reminds me to keep up the practice with the A5.

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PBNA-Boosher
04-14-2004, 05:52 AM
I'd prefer either a Yak-1, Yak-1b, P-38, P-36, or P-40. But if I had to choose between those three, I'd pick the 109G-2. I've had a lot of fun in that plane, the guns are devastating if used properly, and it'll hold together well as long as your wingman's got ya covered. But personally, I dont' like to fly German much.

Kurfurst__
04-14-2004, 06:20 AM
I take the 109G-2 w/o doubt... I don`t have the patience for the 190s; granted, in a multi plane enviroment, the difference between planes become marginal, and speed, firepower, cocpit visibility becomes the factor. But still not enough - that MF ugly handling of the Wurger!$ The 109s just cant be beaten in that, that little beuty ALWAYS does what I want her to do, always has a little extra for the tough situations, and easily gets the upper hand, or at least takes ya out of the danger in co-E situations. Something that is impossible. Thinking about it, when I am in a 109, I never even slightly worried when someone gets on my six.. "you wanne climb, heh?".. but in a 190.. when somebody gets behind you, it`s almost time to bail. Maybe you limp back to base if he is a poor shooter.. really no chance in my experience to turn the tables on him.. barrell rolls sometimes works, but the results are mixed... I maybe dont get half the kills in a 109 vs. a 190, but definietely I will survive 10 times as many engagements.

As for G-2 vs. F-4. The F-4 would be nice, but to me it seems it`s a lot more stall prone than the G series, and picks up speed slower. Don`t hink the first part is correct, though, the F is some 150-200kg lighter, that`s a lot. And the G-2 is in any case, IMHO, a better blend between power and manouvers than the F. Just about correct.

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Kurfurst__
04-14-2004, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kazimiera:


and I've somewhere read, Galland used modified 109 which has equiped More cannon than regular Bf so guess he's g2 have 3 cannon (like he's emil in bob, he used nosecannon with it..)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are speaking of Galland`s "109 F-6/U". It was a Bf 109F-2, Wrkn 6750, specially modified by the groundcrew to fit his personal need for extra firepower, not a serial machine, nor a officialy accepted desination.

Apart from the basic 15mm MG 151/15 in the nose, it had two lightweight 20mm MG FF/M installed in the wings (not in gondolas), `a la 109E. I believe he also replaced the 7.92mm MGs with 13mm MG131s, and small fairing over them.

Nice firepower he had to work with, and this was much lighter than the usual Gondolas..

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Heavy_Weather
04-14-2004, 06:59 AM
F4, cause Rall said so http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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butch2k
04-14-2004, 08:26 AM
Galland aircraft had an MG151/20 not an MG151 as motorkanon, and IIRC the modification was made at the Erla factory.

Kurfurst__
04-14-2004, 08:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by butch2k:
Galland aircraft had an MG151/20 not an MG151 as motorkanon, and IIRC the modification was made at the Erla factory.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Were such modification also done to other F-2s as well ? Considering the MG 151/15 and /20 had small differences only (iirc the two could be converted into each other by replacing the barrel and breech) this doesnt seem unrealistic. Not sure, but faintly I recall one Brit report on 20mm Mauser cannon shells, where they state(?) the shells were taken from F-2 aircraft, ie. presence of MG 151/20.

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JV44Rall
04-14-2004, 10:12 PM
FW for me. Any day. Kyrule pretty much sums it up. Even the A8 (a dog in FB, but not in RL, thanks Oleg http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif) is more robust and potent than comparable 109s, imho.

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butch2k
04-15-2004, 01:45 AM
The only difference between an F-2 and an F-4 according to Mtt is the engine not the Gun.
The MG151 and MG151/20 were fitted as available meaning that some late F-2s got the MG151/20 but also that some early F-4 got the MG151.
This also mean that as MG151/20 supply was sufficient, F-2 equipped with MG151 were retroffited with their 20mm counterparts.

Geshausen
04-15-2004, 11:51 PM
Kurfurst, thats exactly what I saw. Wish It was available in the armament selection. I just dont like the idea of just 1 20mm. Oh, and The 109 prayer, love it.

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ImpStarDuece
04-16-2004, 12:10 AM
F4 all the way.

Twitchy, responsive, nimble little bird with "just" enough punch to get you into rea trouble.

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Bremspropeller
04-16-2004, 05:29 AM
As someone already said:

the 109's the a/c to win a DF, but the 190's a bird to win a war.

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