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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 04:57 AM
I know a guy who went out and got all the best gear he could find...CH pedals, Throttle & Flight Stick, Track IR, 3D Glasses, he had a nice rig...dont remember what it was but it was better than my XP1600 with it's 1G of PC2100 ram.... waaaay better. He was dissapointed when this stuff didnt turn him into an overnight ace. He said he got this stuff because it sounded good on the forum and he figured that was how some guys were so good online...which of course is an illusion. He said that all my talk of a HOTAS and pedals and such helped to get him going. I said to him that I dont have a super rig.......my HOTAS is an X45 with a MSFFB2 stick as the main controller (all bought on sale mind you...I NEVER pay full price if I can help it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) , CH pedals and the aforementioned system. Now..... I got this stuff...not because I thought it would make me an "ACE" but because I wanted to "feel" like I was flying...something I always wanted to do but $$ and circumstance always made it impossible. I got this stuff for the immersion factor. It has improved my flying somewhat but I am by no means an "ACE". All you guys with the latest,greatest,fastest stuff...Why? Why did you get it...was it for the immersion factor or did you think it would make you a better pilot? Did it help? Are you sorry you spent the $$$$? I had track IR but I sent it back because I felt it wasnt worth the money (no matter how I turned my head I was still looking at my monitor) and I am happy with my mouse pan on my X45.
How do you guys...my fellow simmers and virtual brothers in arms feel about....gear...?

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 04:57 AM
I know a guy who went out and got all the best gear he could find...CH pedals, Throttle & Flight Stick, Track IR, 3D Glasses, he had a nice rig...dont remember what it was but it was better than my XP1600 with it's 1G of PC2100 ram.... waaaay better. He was dissapointed when this stuff didnt turn him into an overnight ace. He said he got this stuff because it sounded good on the forum and he figured that was how some guys were so good online...which of course is an illusion. He said that all my talk of a HOTAS and pedals and such helped to get him going. I said to him that I dont have a super rig.......my HOTAS is an X45 with a MSFFB2 stick as the main controller (all bought on sale mind you...I NEVER pay full price if I can help it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) , CH pedals and the aforementioned system. Now..... I got this stuff...not because I thought it would make me an "ACE" but because I wanted to "feel" like I was flying...something I always wanted to do but $$ and circumstance always made it impossible. I got this stuff for the immersion factor. It has improved my flying somewhat but I am by no means an "ACE". All you guys with the latest,greatest,fastest stuff...Why? Why did you get it...was it for the immersion factor or did you think it would make you a better pilot? Did it help? Are you sorry you spent the $$$$? I had track IR but I sent it back because I felt it wasnt worth the money (no matter how I turned my head I was still looking at my monitor) and I am happy with my mouse pan on my X45.
How do you guys...my fellow simmers and virtual brothers in arms feel about....gear...?

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:06 AM
i can see what you mean but i could definately see the advantage of having trackIR but as in fast computer it wouldent help much and a good joystick would help (good as in how you like it not price i personally like sidewinders) being an ACE online deals with your skill in dogfighting modified to cope with lag /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:08 AM
I didn't know you are close acquaintance with RBJ. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:18 AM
lol

Good one Dave http://forums.ubi.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


Dave, I'm still using old analog gear here np.

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Message Edited on 07/03/0304:20AM by Heuristic_ALgor

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:20 AM
pedals are pedals

ANY pedal is better than NO pedal

I use "ch pro USB" but the brake function doesnt translate well to FB so I do not use the brakes .. the CH PRO are a lot better than my old home made pedals (bits of wood connected by coathanger wire to 100k analog slide pots) but in terms of the game they probably havent made a huge difference to my performance

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:30 AM
I got trackIR for the immersion. I truly despised the POV hat and hated depending on padlock because of the SA limitations that come with it.

I got my X45 because I wanted to keep my hands off the keyboard. My Sidewinder 1 just wasn't cutting it (8 buttons with no hat switch is barely enough for the views!) esp. since I also flew Jane's F/A-18 at the time where you could do with all the help you could get.

Now, I'm upgrading my rig, coz I want to enjoy FB in all it's glory; maybe even fly at perfect settings once in a while if the mission is light enough.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:36 AM
Well I've got all CH goods here, and recently got Trackir too. Why?.. Well two reasons really.

1. I originally got the HOTAS gear (especially pedals) to fly better wih DI's Apache, and needed them even more with their follow on, Hind (no computer controlled torgue compensation on that one). The gear was also an investment, as I was going through joysticks like their was no tomorrow, if they didn't fail then they still developed a lot of slop very quick, I can't even remember when apache was out but it's been a good few years so I reckon I got value for money (all still going very strong too - fingers crossed).

2. As for trackir, I guess I was influenced by the majority of posts about it on these forums, up to that point I didn't really fly with the pit on, just found it too restrictive a view and I could never get used to the padlock, so I thought it would help and it did, doesn't make me any better as a pilot, but it does mean I enjoy flying with the pit on now, and the immersion levels have just rocketed again for me.

And for me that's what matter's, not the wanna be better pilot through burning a hole in the pocket, it's the fun factor, with all that and FB that's what I get, wouldn't mind getting better at flying in the process either. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:37 AM
Great JB & Rook so you are saying the immersion is key!!! I feel that way too. I like the sense I get when I have to kick the rudder to turn or yank back with my left to throttle down..instead of being hunched over my joystick with my hands almost together moving my throttle with my left thumb.

cuski wrote:
I didn't know you are close acquaintance with RBJ.

I dont see the connection..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif care to elaborate? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif






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Message Edited on 07/03/0312:39AM by Bearcat99

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:46 AM
Bearcat99 wrote:
- Great JB & Rook so you are saying the immersion is
- key!!! I feel that way too. I like the sense I get
- when I have to kick the rudder to turn or yank back
- with my left to throttle down..instead of being
- hunched over my joystick with my hands almost
- together moving my throttle with my left thumb.
-

Yup, that's what its about, if I can fly without using the keyboard in a fight etc, then I'm happiest, now that I can do it with the pit on... well I reckon I'm up in those virtual clouds. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:13 AM
I'm new here and found your post to be quite interesting as I myself have some fancy gear. Thrustmaster cougar and the old ch pedals.For me they do help in playing in the game as i find you have more control over your plane. As this is the way I relax and unwind I can see no reason why not to have some fancy toys.(My wifes words not mine.)So that is the reason I have them not to make me a better pilot but just for my own enjoyment.

PS As the old saying goes he who dies with the most toys wins.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:20 AM
I don't get all the latest stuff to be an ace. I just like stuff, and i'm a rich SOB../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:23 AM
I forgot to mention the most important thing and that is just plain old ego.

HE WHO DIES WITH THE MOST TOYS WINS

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:32 AM
overall ... flightsimming is a very cheap hobby compared to most others. Ski-ing, golf (club membership equals a computer every year in some cities),motorcycling or real-time flying are all going to cost heaps more than flight-sims as a hobby.

Admittedly some simmers are either still at school or have very tight budgets and cannot afford fancy gear and commercial addons (in FS2002 you pay as much as FB for a single aircraft) but still .. as hobbies go it is actually cheap.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 08:08 AM
I got all of my gear sans TrackIR (Messed with my SA) for the immersion and to better manage tasks while flying. Now with my CH pro pedals and X-36 I never use my keyboard and I have all my settings the way I like them.
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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 02:00 PM
I don't have any gear to speak of. Until I can get me a HOTAS I am using an ancient Saitek X7-36 three axis-four button joystick. I have to use the keyboard for everything else.
I fly for the thrill. Can't afford a real plane (+you can't legally shoot down another plane) but this I can afford.
Anyone who buys expensive gear to improve is fooling themselves.
It's just like musicians. They buy the best equipment and still sound like crap.
Certainly a HOTAS/pedals/Track IR improves the immersion factor but that is all. I still can forget where I am with my prehistoric equipment, flying above the Eastern Front continually checking my six.



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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 02:06 PM
My cockpit is dismantled and my Cougar and pedals are collecting dust in the corner. All that immersion was too much like hard work. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

michapma
07-03-2003, 02:11 PM
What do I think of gear? I always land with them down and fly with them up, except under emergency procedures.


Immersion all the way, brother.

Mike

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