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ctuagent15
07-21-2013, 04:20 AM
I've tried to find out what class of ship the jackdaw's based on but can't, IGN says its a clipper but that class dates from the 19th century, so to late for when the game is set.
Have the devs said what class the ship is and I just missed that info or have they not told us, does anyone have any ideas about what class of ship it is

I-Like-Pie45
07-21-2013, 04:27 AM
Now I can't find anything that says exactly what sort of ship the Jackdaw is, but I did find this official piece of artwork that comes with its specs, if those help.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130606152056/assassinscreed/images/f/f4/Jackdaw.jpg

ctuagent15
07-21-2013, 04:33 AM
Yeah I found that when I googled it, but my knowledge of sailing ships is very little, so I don't know by looking at it what class it is

LoyalACFan
07-21-2013, 04:50 AM
I believe it's a frigate, but I'm no sailing expert either.

Wolfmeister1010
07-21-2013, 06:34 AM
The max 60 gun Jackdaw is a 4th rate warship/frigate, or 4th rate ship of the line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-rate

andre982d
07-21-2013, 11:00 AM
http://www.assassins-creed.ru/uploads/images/ac4bf/gallery/art/ac4_43.jpg

ProletariatPleb
07-21-2013, 11:13 AM
Frigate.

ctuagent15
07-21-2013, 01:06 PM
I don't think it's a frigate, a frigate has three masts and the jackdaw has two, plus the hull is a bit smaller and a different style. If you look at the image that you could unlock in the interactive trailer that andre posted above you can see its not the same

LoyalACFan
07-21-2013, 01:13 PM
http://www.assassins-creed.ru/uploads/images/ac4bf/gallery/art/ac4_43.jpg

Interesting... It looks like its halfway between a frigate and a brig.

blacklimoband
07-21-2013, 03:16 PM
Interesting... It looks like its halfway between a frigate and a brig.

A Brigate?

All jokes aside, I'm thinking a modified Brigantine (2 Masts, mix of square and fore-aft rigged sails) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigantine

ctuagent15
07-21-2013, 03:56 PM
well I've been looking online and the Aquila from AC3 would be considered a third rate ship of the line and to me the jackdaw looks to be similar to the Aquila, so it must be a third rate ship too

Elebro2011
07-21-2013, 05:50 PM
It would be so so, so so freaking awesome if we could uprade the Jackdaw to the size of man o war

Jexx21
07-21-2013, 07:20 PM
Is the Aquila larger than the Jackdaw? I was always under the impression that the Jackdaw was bigger than the Aquila.

ctuagent15
07-21-2013, 07:47 PM
Is the Aquila larger than the Jackdaw? I was always under the impression that the Jackdaw was bigger than the Aquila.
I've just been looking at the AC wiki about the Aquila and it says it had 60 cannons after it was upgraded, jackdaw has max 56, and its bigger then a frigate, but looking at the image posted my andre, the jackdaws smaller then a frigate, so the jackdaw is smaller then the Aquila even though it looks similar.
heres a link to the page http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Aquila

Black_Widow9
07-21-2013, 11:09 PM
I'll see if I can find anything out. ;)

ctuagent15
07-21-2013, 11:29 PM
I'll see if I can find anything out. ;)
That'll be great if you could find out, thank you

bioac2
08-02-2013, 07:21 AM
I was curious myself, and I've concluded that the Jackdaw would be classified as a Brig since the Jackdaw has 2 square rigged masts (which is the definition of a brig)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brig

In some of the art you can see the Jackdaw is also sometimes rigged with studding sails on extended spars protruding from the sides.

JarekKorczynski
08-02-2013, 02:54 PM
Now I can't find anything that says exactly what sort of ship the Jackdaw is, but I did find this official piece of artwork that comes with its specs, if those help.

1706 Establishment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1706_Establishment#60-gun_fourth-rates) - official ship dimensions and armament standards of the Royal Navy puts the Jackdaw somewhere close to a 4th rate.

Here's a simpler 'chart' --> http://pirates.missiledine.com/britishnavy.html, judging by this, the Jackdaw seems to be a mix of a 60gun 4th rate ship of the line (hull) and the 6th rate frigate (mast/sails configuration).

itsamea-mario
08-02-2013, 04:23 PM
ship class.

ctuagent15
08-03-2013, 01:58 AM
She is a Brig, I tweeted Ash and he answered me

http://i.picpar.com/5Ys.png

ImageHunter 007
09-02-2013, 04:26 AM
The Jackdaw is based on a Brig although it has been altered and is known as a Rasé, according to this video at 1:25.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escapist-news-now/7868-The-Ships-of-Assassins-Creed-4-Black-Flag
Rasé is french for shaved down (decks) also known as a razée http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razee

JamJar502
09-02-2013, 10:48 AM
I think it's a bit of a mix-match of a Brig and a Frigate, so I don't think it's really possible to put it in a certain category, but given the fact that in the game we're supposed to be able to take out Man of Wars, I'm assuming we can get a lot of firepower on it.

johnvik007
09-02-2013, 04:35 PM
man, i created this acount just to answer you, so fell happy XD (sorry any spelling mistake, i'm from brazil) Edward K. Ship is a galleon, is a kind of "Nau" there r 3 tipes of nau:

comum nau(normaly with 30~40 canons)
galleon(normaly with 50~60 canons) Black Pearl from Jack Sparow it's a galleon
Fluyt(mormaly with 70~80 canons) Flying Dutchman from Davy Jones is a Fuyt

just a note: the ship of lord beckett(pirates of the caribean 3) was a Man'o'War, this kind of ship have 120 canons (60 by each side)

thats why Black Pearl and Flying Dutchman together could easly defeat that sheep, because the 2 of them together had more than 130 canons :)

hope that was usefull to u.

johnvik007
09-02-2013, 04:43 PM
ps. the ship that JackSparow steal in PC1 that cap. barbosa destroy is a scunner, they where the favorite kind of ship for pirates, they where the fastests ships :) but of course, as black pearl was a mithicalship, in the end it was faster XD scunners usuly have (6~12) canons.
and commodore norrington had a fragate, that have (56~64) canons :) (yes the fragate may sometimes suport less cannons that the galleon, but r bigger and suport more crew)

adventurewomen
09-02-2013, 04:43 PM
The JackDaw is smaller then the Aquila that's for sure.

x___Luffy___x
09-02-2013, 04:57 PM
jackdaw has everything the other ships have.
here's a pic....

http://blog.ubi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Ubik_ACBF_ShipsClasses_All_sm.jpg

johnvik007
09-02-2013, 05:09 PM
dude, IDK who done this pic... but he is sooooooo rongh... Man'o'War had 120 canons, they where sea monsters.... and in this pic, say they had 50... 50... yeah, rigth...

x___Luffy___x
09-02-2013, 05:14 PM
dude, IDK who done this pic... but he is sooooooo rongh... Man'o'War had 120 canons, they where sea monsters.... and in this pic, say they had 50... 50... yeah, rigth...

its on ubiblog.. check here: http://blog.ubi.com/assassins-creed-iv-black-flag-connecting-with-the-jackdaws-crew/

Farlander1991
09-02-2013, 05:17 PM
For gameplay purposes a Man-of-War can't have literally 120 cannons, or the balance would be really off. Plus, if we have a battle between/with man-of-wars, each firing 120 shots in both directions, the screen can become just too cluttered (and unoptimized aswell).

And that picture depicts the ships as they are gameplay-wise.

johnvik007
09-02-2013, 05:28 PM
actuly, would be 60 shots in both directions (120/2) but i understand that u cannot put a sheep like this in the game, but at least dont call it of a man'o'war :/ at least say that is a dreadnought (im not talking about the one's we have in this time, in that age they had dreadnought's of wood, they where smaller than Man'o'War's

johnvik007
09-02-2013, 05:37 PM
ps. Man'o'War where'nt made to be balance, they where made to be "ho **** is a Man'o'War, run for your lives *****eeeeeeees!!!!!!!" XD hahahahahaahahahahahahah

Locopells
09-03-2013, 10:51 AM
Thought this quote from The Watch, might interest people, when talking about the Jackdaw.


One last consideration is the Jackdaw’s ability to adopt a disguise. Edward can have his crew modify prominent sections of the ship to resemble Spanish or English vessels. Alternatively, the Jackdaw can take on the appearance of a ghost ship to strike fear into weak, superstitious minds.

Farlander1991
09-03-2013, 10:56 AM
but at least dont call it of a man'o'war :/

It's a huge ship which is the hardest enemy archetype which will make players go 'HOLY ****!!!!!', who cares that it's got twice as less cannons when no one will actually notice it and will still FEEL like they're being fired upon ****tons of cannons?

THX1139v2
11-10-2013, 07:12 AM
All I really know is that the Jackdaw is smaller than a frigate, but bigger than a brig. At the beginning of the game, when you are first acquiring the ship, Kenway says something along the lines of, "This is a fine brig, I think I'll keep her." Paraphrasing. If that's the case, it would be a modified brig, but this question has been bothering me for some time now as well haha. Hope this helps some.

Rithrius
11-10-2013, 07:20 AM
I think when Edward and Adéwalé first commandeer the soon-to-be-named Jackdaw, they mention it's a brig.


source: http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Jackdaw

rec0n09
11-10-2013, 08:29 AM
It's a "Friggin' Briggin"! Haha

Zacktamfool
01-02-2015, 03:46 PM
I've tried to find out what class of ship the jackdaw's based on but can't, IGN says its a clipper but that class dates from the 19th century, so to late for when the game is set.
Have the devs said what class the ship is and I just missed that info or have they not told us, does anyone have any ideas about what class of ship it is

Even though Jackdaw is a brig, her size was quite large, as it was longer and taller than any brigs in the game, but smaller than a frigate. This means the Morrigan was a common brig, not a small ones.

Zacktamfool
01-02-2015, 03:57 PM
Jackdaw is a brig. Her size though, larger than other brigs but smaller than a frigate. She was a 4th rate ship of the line, because she has only 46 broadside cannons

Zacktamfool
01-02-2015, 04:01 PM
The max 60 gun Jackdaw is a 4th rate warship/frigate, or 4th rate ship of the line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-rate

U are wrong man, Jackdaw only had 46 guns?

Zacktamfool
01-02-2015, 04:06 PM
I've just been looking at the AC wiki about the Aquila and it says it had 60 cannons after it was upgraded, jackdaw has max 56, and its bigger then a frigate, but looking at the image posted my andre, the jackdaws smaller then a frigate, so the jackdaw is smaller then the Aquila even though it looks similar.
heres a link to the page http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Aquila

AC Wikia means the Aquila was larger than a frigate, not the Jackdaw. AND, when Aquila had 60 guns, she was too late to be a 3rd rate ship of the line, as around that period (late 18th century), 3rd rate ship of the line must have 80 guns or more

MasterAssasin84
01-02-2015, 04:32 PM
I've tried to find out what class of ship the jackdaw's based on but can't, IGN says its a clipper but that class dates from the 19th century, so to late for when the game is set.
Have the devs said what class the ship is and I just missed that info or have they not told us, does anyone have any ideas about what class of ship it is


Im quite sure its a Brig ?

I remember the conversation between Edward and Ben Hornigold when he Benjamin teases Edward and says " so got ya' self a fancy Brig aye "

Jackdaw951
01-02-2015, 08:18 PM
This question has been definitively answered:


She is a Brig, I tweeted Ash and he answered me

http://i.picpar.com/5Ys.png

If the game's director says it's a brig, then it's a brig. Yeah, it's bigger and better armed than the typical brig, to be sure.

MasterAssasin84
01-02-2015, 08:35 PM
This question has been definitively answered:



If the game's director says it's a brig, then it's a brig. Yeah, it's bigger and better armed than the typical brig, to be sure.


This !!

As I said above it was also elaborated in the game what class it was twice .


First Time when Black Beard teased Edward for naming it the Jack Daw

Second Time Sarcastic conversation with Benjamin Hornigold,

Green_Reed
06-18-2015, 04:31 AM
This question has been definitively answered:



If the game's director says it's a brig, then it's a brig. Yeah, it's bigger and better armed than the typical brig, to be sure.

I have some bad news for the director.
First, quick background. I sail on tallships, the modern day replica type sailing vessels. One of these tallships I have sailed on is "The Lady Washington," A Brig out of Aberdeen, Washington. This boat was used in the makings of the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie as the HMS interceptor, the ship that Jack Sparrow steals. So we can call those my credentials.

Next, Terms like 'Frigate," "Man o war" and "Ship of the Line" are all military terms referencing things like the number of guns and gun decks and pretty exclusively apply to three-masted ships. Where as terms like "Brig" "Schooner" and "Full Rigged Ship" all reference the actual sail arrangement. I'm going to focus on The Jackdaw's sail arrangement here, rather than it's military classification.

Further, a Brig is defined as a two masted vessel with a fore mast (the foreward most of the two masts), and a mainmast (the aftermost), with square sails rigged on both masts.

The Jackdaw is a two masted vessel with a Mainmast and a MIZZEN mast. That is, the taller of the Jackdaws two masts is its FORWARDmost mast, rather than its aftmost mast. It straight up cannot be defined as a classic 'brig.'

So what is the Jackdaw?
Quite simply, its sail arrangement does not exist in a historical sense. It's more of a square rigged ketch (two masted, main mast forward, smaller mast aft) than a brig, but I am not aware of any historical precedence for a ketch with squares (particularly a mizzen course/topsail arrangement like the Jackdaw has) on its mizzen mast.

So while technically it might be a "Square rigged Ketch" it's clear that the designers were going for the look of a brig, as indicated by the use of the term in dialogue of the game and they just thought the big mast should be in front, so they put it there.

From a game design standpoint, that's fine.

From rigging, historical and sailing perspectives, the choice is really ****ing weird, and there is a reason people didn't rig ships this way.

Hope this was informative to someone.

Diligent1
03-28-2016, 07:32 PM
I would like to point out that the Jackdaw is most likely based off of the Griffon, a French brig that sailed with the Spanish Treasure Fleet in 1715 off the coast of Florida where all but the Griffon were destroyed by a hurricane. In-game, the El Dorado is a Spanish brig that is said to be the only one of its kind, modified by the Spanish for ultimate protection, able to carry fire barrels, mortars, heavy shot and chain shot. The El Dorado is stolen by Edward and is the only ship to survive the hurricane, hence its relation to the Griffon, the only ship to survive the 1715 hurricane. Therefore the Jackdaw is simply a modified brig, not a frigate. I am also guessing that no one will ever read this, but hey, might as well try right?

Pratkungen
01-28-2017, 09:17 PM
I've tried to find out what class of ship the jackdaw's based on but can't, IGN says its a clipper but that class dates from the 19th century, so to late for when the game is set.
Have the devs said what class the ship is and I just missed that info or have they not told us, does anyone have any ideas about what class of ship it is

It is a brig they say it in the mission where you steal the jackdaw

Chewy934
05-07-2017, 02:09 PM
It is similar to the Morrigan from ac rogue which is a sloop of war, which is sort of like a frigate mixed with a brigantine

cawatrooper9
05-08-2017, 05:13 PM
It's a dinghy