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jagdmailer
07-23-2004, 01:55 PM
Since it appears that PF and FB may merge, and that we will be able to have the PF aircrafts over the European Front.....why not have some special bonus material in the form of Graf Zeppelin aircraft carrier with Bf 109T and carrier optimized Ju 87 for what ifs scenarios ?? With PF, we will already have the code to take-off & land from carriers, and other carrier related goodies. Could spawn the Zeppelin on the Finland, Crimea, Normandy and the upcoming Murmansk map! Would certainly add some fun to the sim.

I have seen the Zeppelin aircraft carrier being modelled for FB from Airhog on Netwings in the past. Bf 109T would not be hard to modify from BF 109E. Not sure about Ju 87C though.

Just a suggestion http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jagd

jagdmailer
07-23-2004, 01:55 PM
Since it appears that PF and FB may merge, and that we will be able to have the PF aircrafts over the European Front.....why not have some special bonus material in the form of Graf Zeppelin aircraft carrier with Bf 109T and carrier optimized Ju 87 for what ifs scenarios ?? With PF, we will already have the code to take-off & land from carriers, and other carrier related goodies. Could spawn the Zeppelin on the Finland, Crimea, Normandy and the upcoming Murmansk map! Would certainly add some fun to the sim.

I have seen the Zeppelin aircraft carrier being modelled for FB from Airhog on Netwings in the past. Bf 109T would not be hard to modify from BF 109E. Not sure about Ju 87C though.

Just a suggestion http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jagd

p1ngu666
07-23-2004, 02:00 PM
the 109T had new wings, with wheels in, the stuka didnt have major changes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

i think i put this in the AEP2 thread, as my comments/ideas.
italy had a carrier btw, but was not completed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Alexander_Seil
07-23-2004, 02:04 PM
That's a great idea and yet another item to put on the feature list. The only issue as I understand it would be finding a willing modeller to do the job.

BTW, I wonder if that Arado recon floatplane could be, by any chance, made playable as a "counterweight" to the PF's Catalina, especially if He-115 doesn't make it (which would SUCK). As far as I understand it was originally planned to be a carrier-based aircraft?

EDIT: Is AEP2 even a possibility now? They might put its contents partially into PF as a way to attract more of FB crowd, which might result in some content being cut. I'd personally prefer a separate exp. pack.

MEGILE
07-23-2004, 02:12 PM
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jagdmailer
07-23-2004, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alexander_Seil:
That's a great idea and yet another item to put on the feature list. The only issue as I understand it would be finding a willing modeller to do the job.

BTW, I wonder if that Arado recon floatplane could be, by any chance, made playable as a "counterweight" to the PF's Catalina, especially if He-115 doesn't make it (which would SUCK). As far as I understand it was originally planned to be a carrier-based aircraft?

EDIT: Is AEP2 even a possibility now? They might put its contents partially into PF as a way to attract more of FB crowd, which might result in some content being cut. I'd personally prefer a separate exp. pack.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I said, the Graf Zeppelin carrier was WIP on Netwings.org about 6-10 months ago by Airhog.

I am aware of Bf 109T-1s new wings (and arrester hook), should not be too much trouble though starting from an Emil model. Was apparently based on Bf 109E-1 variant.

Ju 87C was basically a Ju 87B-2 with folding wings, catapult attachement, arrestor hook, jettisonable landing gear, some floatation equipment for the crew, and torpedoes or bombs. C-1 also had increase tankage for fuel.

Nothing that will not be available in PF.

As I said, it's just a suggestion.

BTW, if they merge FB & PF, it think the big add-on will be marketed for PF...a good way to get people to buy PF. In that scenario, we will probalby see some aircrafts added to just FB, but you can bet they will push PF. If the sims are merged, then that is fine with me.

Jagd

Alexander_Seil
07-23-2004, 02:37 PM
I like the fact that now we can be sure that FB doesn't fall behind code-wise...merging it with PF's engine improvements would give it a new breath of life.

Indeed, any add-on would have to be marketed for PF to avoid dirt-slinging game reviewers from branding it as an attempt to milk the FB crowd some more...

I actually just re-read Oleg's post and realized that my fears weren't really based on anything. He mentioned more German AND Russian planes, which is exactly what I want to see in an add-on. If the add-on is marketed for PF, I think it should include a map of Manchuria just to finalize the merger of both systems http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jagdmailer
07-23-2004, 02:43 PM
From Air_hog circa October 2003:

Here are some pictures of the completed German aircraft carrier Graf Zeppelin. I have a volunteer to do the textures BUT I need someone with 3DS experience to put the guns on it and animate them. Besides it could use a good going over by a 3D Studio Max expert. Someone could tell Oleg the Graf is done.

Pics are gone as the host probably expired, but there it is!

Jagd

Alexander_Seil
07-23-2004, 02:50 PM
Hmm. Murmansk map, Graf Zeppelin, Tirpitz, He-115...I sense an insanely cool what-if "PQ-17 Escort Fights Back!" scenario here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

BSS_Vidar
07-23-2004, 02:57 PM
Yeah!
Go to town and add all that cra... um, stuff to FB/AEP/PF. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Just keep those stand-alone Pacific Fighters servers PURE. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BSS_Vidar

Alexander_Seil
07-23-2004, 03:02 PM
It's a shame that the sheer existence of the Eastern Front is such an affront to certain people. Oh well, they'll get their release with PF's stand-alone install. You wouldn't have to tolerate those silly Soviets up in the air. Everyone knows they had barely discovered fire at that time! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

BSS_Vidar
07-23-2004, 03:09 PM
If you have FB, and you install PF, you will have both a combined version, and a pure version. The combined will not be compadible with the pure. Therefore, no Yaks over Midway in pure PF servers. But, you will have the option to fly either on-line via a single disc.

You'll be supprise just how many of us want to fly a pure PTO sim.

BTW, if I had such an issue with an Eastern Front sim , (which FB is no longer) I wouldn't have picked it up in the first place. I'm a retired Naval Aviator. I like my PTO historical. But don't get me wrong, I'll take my Corsair in a combined server from time-to-time to flatulate around and share in the bovine escriment just for the love of playing the game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BSS_Vidar

[This message was edited by BSS_Vidar on Fri July 23 2004 at 02:24 PM.]

Alexander_Seil
07-23-2004, 03:43 PM
Well, if B-17s over Sevastopol' are fine, why not Il-2s over Midway? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif You are trying to imply that there is something "sacred" about the PTO that would be tarnished if Soviet planes meet Japanese fighters in combat (which did happen in Manchuria before the war and in 1945)...this is, after all, a flight simulator and not a wargame. The focus is on performance and capability of historical aircraft rather than necessarily on historical context and conditions in which those capabilities and that performance was exploited, that's why we have Go-229, which never saw combat.

More importantly, how in the world would Me-262s take off from the carriers, which seems to be a big beef amongst PTO purists? The thing is going to dip, and the same goes for most planes present in FB, unless we get Germany's prototype carrier aircraft.

BSS_Vidar
07-23-2004, 04:18 PM
I have never even mentioned my feelings about the plane set in IL-2 other than the hint in my post above. "(which FB is no longer)". I've allways thought it would be futile because the damage is done. Some things have gone too far in FB, which is why I wanted a PF stand-alone so much.
Now I can enjoy an historical experience in PF and screw around in the combined version whenever I feel froggy.

S!

BSS_Vidar

Alexander_Seil
07-23-2004, 04:32 PM
I totally understand your opinion, quite frankly. I probably won't fly Zeros over Helsinki, but there are interesting what-ifs to be explored (especially that Japanese-licensed Me-262...). There are, however, separate maps in FB specifically designed for Western Front combat. Combined version of PF/FB would function on the same principles, new aircraft and new nations plus new maps. Whether to mix and match is each own's choice to make. I'm sure that there will be plenty of Euro-only, PTO-only and Ostfront-only servers out there even for a combined version. Besides, if you feel like flying something else for a change, it wouldn't be such a hassle. You could hop right into a Bf-109 after exiting from a PTO server, without even exiting the game. I'm not opposed at all to the game expanding in any direction as long as every part is given its due attention, which Oleg does (right after AEP we got a brand spanking new Soviet biplane, for example).

jagdmailer
07-25-2004, 09:50 AM
BUMP for the German Graf Zeppelin carrier with Bf 109T-1 and Ju 87C "bonus material" for the owners of combined FB/AEP/PF.



Jagd

Alexander_Seil
07-25-2004, 05:17 PM
The only issue here, I would believe, is if the modeller fails to actually finish the project. I don't see why Oleg would refuse that submission, that would be an awesome way to attract more FB-owners to buy PF.