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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 08:34 PM
Go on, and ask, if you want it, I shall have it up within the hour.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 08:34 PM
Go on, and ask, if you want it, I shall have it up within the hour.

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09-11-2003, 08:37 PM
Sure, I'm interested!

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 08:38 PM
Rgr that, I'll have it up soon, It's on my comp at home and I'm at school, should be up by tonight.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 08:38 PM
Yes plaese, if you wouldnt mind

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:44 PM
Okay, this is what I said this morning, 2 years after the dreadful happening of Sept. 11th:

Students and faculty, while I know you are preparing lessons and attending classes, I beg you all take five minutes to listen to my words.
Two years ago today, at 8:30AM, devastation and panic wrecked the New York streets. Two planes, each of distinct size, smashed at full speed into the World Trade center towers, killing people on many floors and injuring others nearby. Within the next two hours, over 5000 people would become casualties of the towers' collapse, and over 350 firemen and countless more police would lose their lives, heroically going where nobody else would go, so that another may live. It is true that many stories of heroism go untold, it is true that many happenings on this day will never be uncovered. Yet is this scene unlike what had happened sixty years before?

On December 7th, 1941, the infamous attack at Pearl Harbor Naval Base and the surrounding military installations took place. In those few hours, over 3000 men and women became casualties. Yet more heroes are known there than modern times, here are some stories that depict what happened on both infamous days:

A young black man, whose name I do not recall, was a mess steward on the USS West Virginia. As he was colored he was automatically assigned to kitchen duties. He boxed in the evenings, and some of you may remember a black man named Miller from the movie, Pearl Harbor. This man is historic, this man's deeds are true. As he walked out onto the main deck to check out the action, he spotted his wounded Captain, and picked him up onto his back, and walked the length of the ship, and rounded the corner until he found a good place for his mortally wounded commander to lie. He grabbed the nearest AAA machine gun, and finding the trigger, blazed away at the Japanese planes, hitting many, but downing none. His mortally wounded commander would pass in and out of Consciousness, constantly asking him what the situation was. By the time the first wave of aircraft left, Miller had been wounded but still stayed at the gun position until white crewmen kicked him out. He then carried his commander to the Hospital, the Captain died in transit. Miller Recieved the Navy cross and his Captain recieved the Medal of Honor.

Another person who's name I cannot recall, picked up a machine gun position from his airbase on Pearl Harbor's coast. He was constantly strafed with accurate fire and was hit many times. Yet no matter how many times this man was wounded ( which amounted to over 100 bullet wounds, 25 in the chest area) He did not desert his post. He continued to fire all the way through the 2nd wave of attacks. He again did not leave his post until ordered by his superior to seek medical attention.

The heroics on this day amass great amounts. Nurses dove into the water retrieving drowning soldiers. Crane operators on the Dry dock spun their huge cranes high in the air to disrupt torpedo and bomb runs. men fought against the Japanese pilots even when they ran out of ammunition, and ended up throwing as large pieces of concrete as they could toss up at the planes high into the air.

Two or three pilots managed to take off, each got two kills, two had gotten up early and ran to their planes a half an hour after the attack. The third man still had his pajamas on as he ran to his plane, started it up, and zoomed down the runway. The Japanese commander of the attack himself was shot down, and the second in command said in his diary, that after the surprise had been lost, and the American fighting men reached their stations, it was the most intense fire he had ever seen. Up until his death in an air combat far above the sea in 1944, the man swore that the worst aerial barrage he saw was at Pearl Harbor. Where, he claimed, American Flak gunners were putting as many as 1 shell in the air per second. (The average was one every 2 and 1/2 seconds.) The machine gun fire was the most accurate, and, in fact, the pilot also stated that had he been given the choice to carry out this mission, knowing how the Americans would react, he would not have gone in.

Since then more "Pearl Harbors" have happened in the US, but none as destructive as Sept. 11th. 2001. If FDR were alive today, he would claim it was our fault that this happened, and indeed it was. The American government broke it's promise of sixty years to it's people, by letting their guard down ONCE.

As I came home early from school two years ago, I turned on the radio to hear people thanking those that saved them. One woman was running as fast as she could away from the towers, when she noticed that some debris was heading right for her. She tried to run faster, but she tripped, and fell in her high heels. Before she hit the ground, a heavy businessman in a black suit tackled her and sent her rolling down the street. The man was crushed by falling debris, and died instantly.
One man reportedly jumped out of a window and woke up, now conscious on a poolside, on top of a building a block away from the towers. Apparently he landed in the pool and was unconsious for several hours. A tenant dragged him out of the pool, then ran for cover in the basement, the man was too heavy to drag.

One woman was saved by a dog, who pushed her down and lay on top of her until the debris stopped. The dog was killed, but the woman survived with broken ribs and a broken arm.

Before Sept. 11th, the most amount of firemen in New York killed on one job was 3. The entire NYPD force ended up losing 350 of it's brave employees. The Police lost over 100. Countless heroes lost their lives, many more are unknown. More people signed up for armed service in the weeks after Sept. 11th, than had signed up in the two months prior. More still continue to enlist as I speak.

Sept. 11th 2001 was a disaster, a day that will live in infamy, just like it's predecessor, on December 7th, 1941. We must go on and remember. As we continue to work and play in a free nation, thier deaths shall not be in vain. Do not complain about your hair, and how hungry you are, when other's have not even heard of shampoo, and haven't eaten for weeks. Instead focus on your work, your ethics, and remember that you are American, you are one of the brave and free. Remember Sept. 11th, 2001, but do not forget, that in the future, we must defend ourselves everyday, every week, every month, every year, in order to prevent another day of infamy, another December 7th, another Sept. 11th. The American people will live on, and shall go on boldy, but only if we hold to our standard that we are free, that we can accomplish anything with hard work and given time. Remember the Towers, Remember Pearl Harbor, Remember every battle the United States ever took place in. Remember World War Two, and say, I'm proud of who I am, and I am American.

Thank You for your time.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:48 PM
A very eloquent speech...

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:49 PM
God bless all who have served.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 10:55 PM
Boosher-PBNA wrote:
- Okay, this is what I said this morning, 2 years
- after the dreadful happening of Sept. 11th:
-
- Students and faculty, while I know you are preparing
- lessons and attending classes, I beg you all take
- five minutes to listen to my words.
- Two years ago today, at 8:30AM, devastation and
- panic wrecked the New York streets. Two planes, each
- of distinct size, smashed at full speed into the
- World Trade center towers, killing people on many
- floors and injuring others nearby. Within the next
- two hours, over 5000 people would become casualties

Over 5000 people weren't killed. It was approx 2700 (source, www.ctvnews.ca) (http://www.ctvnews.ca)).
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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:11 PM
rcorporon wrote:
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- Boosher-PBNA wrote:
-- Okay, this is what I said this morning, 2 years
-- after the dreadful happening of Sept. 11th:
--
-- Students and faculty, while I know you are preparing
-- lessons and attending classes, I beg you all take
-- five minutes to listen to my words.
-- Two years ago today, at 8:30AM, devastation and
-- panic wrecked the New York streets. Two planes, each
-- of distinct size, smashed at full speed into the
-- World Trade center towers, killing people on many
-- floors and injuring others nearby. Within the next
-- two hours, over 5000 people would become casualties
-
- Over 5000 people weren't killed. It was approx 2700
- (source, www.ctvnews.ca) (http://www.ctvnews.ca)).
-
- Ronnie
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- "The proletarians have nothing to lose but their
- chains. They have a world to win."
- -Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, "The
- Communist Manifesto"
-
-
- "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are
- filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the
- vintage."
- -John Steinbeck, "The Grapes of Wrath"
-

a casualty isnt necessarily a death. correct me if im wrong.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:11 PM
Just to add, my 4th grade daughter drew this for the firemen visiting her school today.
She'll give it to one of them.

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It's hard to tell at this size but there are fire trucks and emergency vehicles around the buildings. She smeared the lead around the towers for the smoke and there is a bald eagle on top of the flagpole looking on with a tear running down his cheek.

She only had an hour to do it; I thought it was pretty good.


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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:16 PM
That's very moving.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:24 PM
well , i am not a proud american, but what has Pearl Harbor to do with the 11th September ?
as an European i am not so clever to know the connetion .

and , what said your teacher ?

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:25 PM
You must be very proud of her, and quite rightly so.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:29 PM
Pearl Harbor and Sept. 11th have tons to do with each other. The main facts being that they both attacked during our alleged peacetime. They were both pretty much terror attacks, and many Americans died in both attacks. Mainly, the fact that FDR promised to us that an attack like this would never happen in the future. That promise was broken. It was the fault of our government not to investigate the rumors that 4 people in the CIA came up with. All 4 were tragically similar, and the CIA dismissed it.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:33 PM
I think he meant 5000 casualties not fatalities.

Touching words, but I have to say. These were not just American casualties. Many nationalities lost their lives, not just Americans. They were not the only victims.

'Remember every battle the United States ever took place in. Remember World War Two, and say, I'm proud of who I am, and I am American.'

I am British and I think we fought in that war too...?

Please don't take offence at what I say but America is not the centre of the universe, they are not the only ones to suffer at the hands of these evil terrorists.

God bless America?

God bless the free world and all who stand united for peace!

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:35 PM
Boosher-PBNA wrote:
- Pearl Harbor and Sept. 11th have tons to do with
- each other. The main facts being that they both
- attacked during our alleged peacetime. They were
- both pretty much terror attacks, and many Americans
- died in both attacks. Mainly, the fact that FDR
- promised to us that an attack like this would never
- happen in the future. That promise was broken. It
- was the fault of our government not to investigate
- the rumors that 4 people in the CIA came up with.
- All 4 were tragically similar, and the CIA dismissed
- it.

well i am not here to agree or disagree with your opinion. it is your history .

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It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:54 PM
AH!!! Thats where you are wrong...it is OUR history!! We all were effected by the events on that day. The economies of the world were shaken somewhat wouldnt you agree?
BTW...that mess cooks name was Dorie Miller...http://www.history.navy.mil/pics/miller.gif
One thing that made 9/11 so different was the sheer scale of the attack......in the space of less than an hour that one attack caused tens of thousands of casualties if you count the permenantly scarred families from lost loved ones, lost livelihoods, people from just about every country in the world if you think about it. It changed the face of what is arguably the financial capital of the world...and go further and look at the people civilians and military who lost thier lives in the ensuing conflict. I cant recall such a sweeping strike during peace time....peace time as in undeclared war....ever.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:58 PM
Scragbat, I believe I understand what you mean. It is simply that this was intended as an attack on America and in our land. This is why we take it so personally. But you are right, Many people from many nations died that day. I agree, "God bless the free world...."

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 12:06 AM
Our hearts go out to you from over the water.
The UK Mourns with you.

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 12:11 AM
Yawn,

mean while else where in the World, people starve, are being terrorised, engaged in war or suffering from natural disasters. Because they are not American doesn't mean their suffering is any less than Sept 11 victims or less news worthy. We are here on the planet as one people and one race, we should remember that and work towards making life good for all.

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 12:20 AM
I Pity you blitze... sigh..... and in a way i am glad that such a horrible thing has never come close to you and pray it never will........... but please let others mourn their passing

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 12:22 AM
Amazing the pathetic response in this thread. Simply amazing.

Great speech, Boosher.

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 12:33 AM
Taylortony wrote:
- I Pity you blitze... sigh..... and in a way i am
- glad that such a horrible thing has never come close
- to you and pray it never will........... but please
- let others mourn their passing
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Try reading the thread of what I wrote. I feel for them but no less than other Human Beings dying else where. Yes let them be mourned but don't rub it in our faces like it was the only event to take place on our plannet. Western media is so US centric, that is all I'm stating.

I wish it never happened and I wish a lot of other terrible events never happened but they do.

We had the Bali bombing and that was enough but I feel as much for the Balinese as much as I do for my fellow countrymen but our media glosses over their plight.

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 12:41 AM
Then why don't u start a new thread about it Blitze instead of polluting this one?

In no way are you honoring anyone by your foul posts.

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T_O_A_D
09-12-2003, 12:49 AM
S! Boosher-PBNA

Nice and Moving speach. If the world was American then they would all appreciate it. But alas they are not, and we don't want them to be. It takes all kinds to make this world go around. Beleive me if the same attack would of happened to the Eifel Tower, Big Ben, Moscow Center, or any of the many more centers of the world. Those immediatly involved would feel the same as the USA feels about this tragety.

Most likely the USA would of came to their rescue no matter who they where. Due to the rememberance of 12-07-1941 and we know how it feels.

Don't mind the negative response you have got and will get. Its fun to throw rocks at the USA. It probably goes back to the fact that our ancestors left their ansestors behind and we made something of it regardless of what they said or did. There is a mentality in this world that if you walk into a BAR and whoop the biggest guy in there or at least stand up to him you will get respect. Same goes with couontries for some reason.

I addmit other countries get upset with our meddling in their affairs, But I want to beleive we only do it in the hopes of thier best interest and not ours. This is probably not true but thats how I want to beleive it.

May I ask what grade you are in? And how well was it recieved at school?


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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 05:21 AM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Then why don't u start a new thread about it Blitze
- instead of polluting this one?
-
- In no way are you honoring anyone by your foul
- posts.
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- http://members.chello.se/ven/milton.jpg

And my dear Vengeanze, what is so "foul" about my posts????????????

As a moderator, I find your view of what I have written quite pathetic and you seem clearly tainted in your objectivity.

But hey, freedom of speach is something you cheris, NOT. So I will leave this topic.

Have a nice remembrance day.

JerseyD
09-12-2003, 08:57 AM
Very nice speech Boosher and don't listen to these people disputing the numbers.

If theye so concerned obout exact numbers let them count these

Ive tryd counting them myself but havent managed to reach the end without breaking into tears.


On September 11th 2001,The following brave men and women gave there lives at the World Trade Center Disaster so that others could live.

New York City Fire Department


Joseph Agnello, 35, Ladder 118, Brooklyn
Brian Ahearn, Lieutenant, Battalion 13, Brooklyn
Eric Allen, 41, Squad 18, Manhattan
Richard L. Allen, 30, Ladder 15, Manhattan
James Amato, 43, Captain, SOD 1, Staten Island
Calixto Anaya Jr., Engine 4, Manhattan
Joseph Angelini Jr., 38, Ladder 4, Manhattan
Joseph Angelini Sr., 63, Rescue 1, Manhattan
Faustino Apostol Jr., 55, Battalion 2, Manhattan
David Arce, Engine 3, Manhattan
Louis Arena, 32, Ladder 5, Manhattan
Carl Asaro, Battalion 9, Manhattan
Gregg Arthur Atlas, 45, Lieutenant, Engine 10, Manhattan
Gerald Atwood, 38, Ladder 21, Manhattan
Gerard Jean Baptiste, 35, Chief, Ladder 9, Manhattan
Gerard A. Barbara, 53, Assistant Deputy Chief, Command Center, Brooklyn
Matthew Barnes, 38, Ladder 25, Manhattan
Arthur T. Barry, 35, Ladder 15, Manhattan
Steven J. Bates, 42, Lieutenant, Engine 235, Brooklyn
Carl John Bedigian, 35, Engine 214, Brooklyn
Stephen Elliot Belson, 51, Battalion 7, Manhattan
John P. Bergin, 39, Rescue 5, Staten Island
Paul Beyer, Engine 5, Manhattan
Peter Bielfield, 44, Ladder 42, Bronx
Brian Bilcher, 36, SOD 1, Staten Island
Carl Bini, 44, Rescue 5, Staten Island
Christopher Blackwell, 42, Rescue 3, Manhattan
Michael L. Bocchino, 45, Battalion 48, Brooklyn
Frank Bonomo, 42, Engine 230, Brooklyn
Gary R. Box, 37, SOD 1, Staten Island
Michael Boyle, 37, Engine 33, Manhattan
Kevin Bracken, Engine 40, Manhattan
Michael Emmett Brennan, 27, Engine 54, Manhattan
Peter Brennan, 30
Daniel Brethel, 43, Captain, Ladder 24, Manhattan
Patrick Brown, Captain, Ladder 3, Manhattan
Andrew Brunn, 28, Ladder 5, Manhattan
Vincent Brunton, Captain, Ladder 105, Manhattan
Ronald Paul Bucca, 47
Greg Joseph Buck, 37, Engine 201, Brooklyn
William F. Burke Jr., 46, Captain, Engine 21, Manhattan
Donald James Burns, 61, Citywide Tour Commander, Command Center, Brooklyn
John Patrick Burnside, 36, Ladder 20, Manhattan
Thomas Butler, 37, SOD 1, Staten Island
Patrick Byrne, Ladder 101, Brooklyn
George Cain, 35, Ladder 7, Manhattan
Salvatore B. Calabro, 38, Ladder 101, Brooklyn
Frank Callahan, Captain, Ladder 35, Manhattan
Michael Cammarata, 22, Ladder 11, Manhattan
Brian Cannizzaro, 30, Ladder 101, Brooklyn
David Cardinale, Ladder 24, Manhattan
Dennis M. Carey, 51, HMC 1, Staten Island
Michael Carlo, Engine 230, Brooklyn
Michael T. Carroll, 39, Ladder 3, Manhattan
Peter Carroll, 35, Squad 1, Staten Island
Thomas Anthony Casoria, 29, Engine 22, Manhattan
Michael Joseph Cawley, 32, Ladder 136, Queens
Vernon Paul Cherry, 49, Ladder 118, Brooklyn
Nicholas Chiofalo, 39, Engine 235, Brooklyn
John Chipura, 39, Engine 219, Brooklyn
Michael Clarke, 27, Ladder 2, Manhattan
Steven Coakley, Engine 217, Brooklyn
Lawrence Cohen, Squad 18, Manhattan
Tarel Coleman, Squad 252, Brooklyn
John Collins, 42, Ladder 25, Manhattan
Robert Cordice, 28, Squad 1, Staten Island
Ruben D. Correa, 44, Engine 74, Manhattan
James Raymond Coyle, 26, Ladder 3, Manhattan
Robert James Crawford, 62, SFTY B1, Brooklyn
John Crisci, 48, Lieutenant, Hazmat, Staten Island
Dennis Cross, 60, Chief, Battalion 57, Brooklyn
Thomas Patrick Cullen III, 31, Squad 41, Staten Island
Robert Curatolo, 31, Ladder 16, Manhattan
Edward Alexander D'Atri, 38, Lieutenant, Squad 1, Staten Island
Michael D'Auria, 25, Engine 40, Manhattan
Scott Davidson, 33, Ladder 118, Brooklyn
Harry Davis, Squad 18, Manhattan
Edward James Day, 45, Ladder 11, Manhattan
Thomas P. DeAngelis, 51, Commander, Battalion 9, Manhattan
Manuel Del Valle Jr., 32, Engine 5, Manhattan
Martin DeMeo, 47, HMC 1, Staten Island
David Paul Derubbio, 38, Engine 226, Brooklyn
Andrew Desperito, 44, Lieutenant, Engine 1, Manhattan
Dennis Lawrence Devlin, 51, Commander, Battalion 9, Manhattan
Gerard Dewan, 35, Ladder 3, Manhattan
George DiPasquale, 33, Ladder 2, Manhattan
Kevin Donnelly, 43, Lieutenant, Ladder 3, Manhattan
Kevin Dowdell, Lieutenant, Rescue 4, Queens
Raymond M. Downey, 63, Chief, SOC, Manhattan
Gerard Duffy, 53, Ladder 21, Manhattan
Martin Egan Jr., 36, Captain, Division 15, Brooklyn
Michael Elferis, 27, Engine 22, Manhattan
Francis Esposito, 32, Engine 235, Manhattan
Michael Esposito, 43, Lieutenant, Squad 1, Staten Island
Robert Evans, 36, Engine 33, Manhattan
John Joseph Fanning, 54, Battalion Commander, Hazmat, Staten Island
Thomas Farino, 37, Captain, Engine 26, Manhattan
Terrence Patrick Farrell, 45, Rescue 4, Queens
Joseph Farrelly, 47, Captain, Division 1, Manhattan
William Feehan, 72, First Deputy Fire Commissioner, Brooklyn
Lee S. Fehling, 28
Alan D. Feinberg, 48, Battalion 9, Manhattan
Frank Fiore, Engine 158, Staten Island
Michael Fiore, 46, Rescue 5, Staten Island
John Fischer, 46, Lieutenant, Ladder 20, Manhattan
Andre Fletcher, Rescue 5, Staten Island
John Joseph Florio, 33, Engine 214, Bronx
Michael N. Fodor, 53, Lieutenant, Ladder 21, Manhattan
Thomas Foley, 32, Rescue 3, Manhattan
David Fontana, 37, Lieutenant, Squad 1, Staten Island
Robert J. Foti, 42, Ladder 7, Manhattan
Andrew Fredericks, 40, Squad 18, Manhattan
Peter L. Freund, 45, Lieutenant, Engine 55, Manhattan
Thomas Gambino Jr., 48, Rescue 3, Manhattan
Peter J. Ganci Jr., 55, Chief, Brooklyn
Charles William Garbarini, 43, Lieutenant, Battalion 9, Manhattan
Thomas Gardner, 39, HMC 1, Staten Island
Matthew David Garvey, 37, Squad 1, Manhattan
Bruce Gary, 51, Engine 40, Manhattan
Gary Geidel, Rescue 1, Manhattan
Edward Geraghty, 42, Commander, Battalion 9, Manhattan
Denis Germain, 33, Ladder 2, Manhattan
Vincent Giammona, 40, Lieutenant, Ladder 5, Manhattan
James Giberson, 43, Ladder 35, Manhattan
Ronnie Gies, 43, Squad 288, Queens
Paul J. Gill, 34, Engine 54, Manhattan
John Ginley, 37, Lieutenant, Engine 40, Manhattan
Jeffrey Giordano, 46, Ladder 3, Manhattan
John Giordano, 46, HMC 1, Staten Island
Keith Glascoe, 39, Ladder 21, Manhattan
James M. Gray, 34, Ladder 20, Manhattan
Joseph Grzelak, 52, Commander, Battalion 48, Bronx
Jose Guadalupe, 37, Engine 54, Manhattan
Geoffrey E. Guja, 47, Lieutenant, Battalion 43, Bronx
Joseph Gullicksen, 37, Lieutenant, Ladder 101, Bronx
David Halderman Jr., 40, Squad 18, Manhattan
Vincent Halloran, 43, Lieutenant, Ladder 8, Manhattan
Robert Hamilton, 43, Squad 41, Staten Island
Sean Hanley, 35, Ladder 20, Manhattan
Thomas Hannafin, 36, Ladder 5, Manhattan
Dana Hannon, 29, Engine 26, Manhattan
Daniel Harlin, 41, Ladder 2, Manhattan
Harvey Harrell, 49, Lieutenant, Rescue 5, Staten Island
Stephen Gary Harrell, 48, Lieutenant, Battalion 7, Manhattan
Thomas Haskell Jr., 37, Captain, Division 15, Bronx
Timothy Haskell, 34, Squad 18, Manhattan
Terence S. Hatton, 41, Captain, Rescue 1, Staten Island
Michael H. Haub, 34, Ladder 4, Manhattan
Michael K. Healey, 42, Lieutenant, Squad 41, Staten Island
John Heffernan, 37
Ronnie Lee Henderson, 52, Engine 279, Bronx
Joseph P. Henry, 25, Ladder 21, Manhattan
William Henry, 49, Rescue 1, Manhattan
Thomas Hetzel, 33, Ladder 13, Manhattan
Brian Hickey, Captain, Rescue 4, Queens
Timothy Higgins, 43, Lieutenant, SOC, Manhattan
Jonathan R. Hohmann, 48, HMC 1, Staten Island
Thomas P. Holohan Jr., 36, Engine 6, Manhattan
Joseph Hunter, 32, SOD 288, Queens
Walter Hynes, 46, Captain, Ladder 13, Manhattan
Jonathan Lee Ielpi, 29, SOD 288, Queens
Frederick Ill Jr., 49, Captain, Ladder 658, Bronx
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William Johnston, 31, Engine 6, Manhattan
Andrew Jordan, 35, Ladder 132, Bronx
Karl H. Joseph, Engine 207, Bronx
Anthony Jovic, 39, Lieutenant
Angel C. Juarbe Jr., 35, Ladder 12, Manhattan
Rev. Mychal Judge, 68, Chaplain, Brooklyn
Vincent Kane, 37, Engine 22, Manhattan
Charles L. Kasper, 54, Commander, Battalion SOC, Staten Island
Paul H. Keating, 38, Ladder 5, Manhattan
Thomas Richard Kelly, 38, Ladder 105, Bronx
Thomas W. Kelly, 51, Ladder 15, Manhattan
Richard John Kelly Jr., 50, Ladder 15, Manhattan
Thomas J. Kennedy, 36, Ladder 101, Bronx
Ronald T. Kerwin, 42, Lieutenant, SOD 288, Queens
Michael Kiefer, 26, Ladder 132, Bronx
Robert King Jr., Engine 33, Manhattan
Scott Kopytko, 32, Ladder 15, Manhattan
William Krukowski, 36, Ladder 21, Manhattan
Kenneth Kumpel, 42, Ladder 25, Manhattan
Thomas Kuveikis, SOD 252, Bronx
David LaForge, 50, Ladder 20, Manhattan
William David Lake, 44, Rescue 2, Brooklyn
Robert T. Lane, 28, Engine 55, Manhattan
Peter Langone, 41, SOD 252, Bronx
Scott Larsen, Ladder 15, Manhattan
Amarnauth Latchman
Joseph Gerard Leavey, 45, Lieutenant, Ladder 15, Manhattan
Neil Leavy, 34, Engine 217, Bronx
Daniel F. Libretti, 43, Rescue 2, Brooklyn
Carlos R. Lillo, 37, paramedic
Robert Linnane, 33, Ladder 20, Manhattan
Joseph Lovero, 60, dispatcher, Jersey City Fire Department
Michael F. Lynch, 40, Engine 40, Manhattan
Michael J. Lyons, 32, SOD 41, Staten Island
Patrick Lyons, SOD 252, Bronx
Joseph Maffeo, 30, Ladder 101, Bronx
William Mahoney, 38, Rescue 4, Queens
Joseph E. Maloney, 46, Battalion 6, Manhattan
Joseph Marchbanks Jr., 47, Commander, Battalion 12, Manhattan
Charles Margiotta, 44, Lieutenant, Battalion 22, Staten Island
Kenneth Joseph Marino, 40, Rescue 1, Staten Island
John Marshall, 35, Engine 23, Manhattan
Peter Martin, 43, Lieutenant, Rescue 2, Staten Island
Paul Richard Martini, 37, Lieutenant, Engine 201, Brooklyn
Joseph A. Mascali, 44, TSU 2, Staten Island
Keithroy Maynard, 30, Engine 33, Manhattan
Brian McAleese, 36, Engine 225, Brooklyn
John McAvoy, 47, Ladder, Manhattan
Thomas J. McCann, 46, Battalion 8, Manhattan
William E. McGinn, 43, Lieutenant, Squad 19, Manhattan
William J. McGovern, 49, Chief, Battalion 2, Manhattan
Dennis P. McHugh, 34, Ladder 13, Manhattan
Robert Dismas McMahon, 35, Ladder 23, Manhattan
Robert William McPadden, 30, Engine 23, Manhattan
Terence A. McShane, 37, Ladder 101, Brooklyn
Timothy Patrick McSweeney, 37, Ladder 3, Manhattan
Martin E. McWilliams, 35, Engine 22, Manhattan
Raymond Meisenheimer, 46, Rescue 3, Manhattan
Charles Mendez, Ladder 7, Manhattan
Steve Mercado, 38, Engine 40, Manhattan
Yamel Merino, 24, EMT, Metrocare
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Henry A. Miller Jr., 52
Robert Minara, Ladder 25, Manhattan
Thomas Mingione, Ladder 132, Brooklyn
Paul Thomas Mitchell, 46, Lieutenant, Battalion 1, Manhattan
Louis Modafferi, 45, Captain, Rescue 6, Staten Island
Dennis Mojica, 50, Lieutenant, Rescue 1, Manhattan
Manuel Mojica, 37, Squad 18, Manhattan
Carl Molinaro, 32, Ladder 2, Manhattan
Michael Montesi, 39, Rescue 1, Staten Island
Thomas Moody, 45, Captain, Division 1, Manhattan
John Moran, 43, Commander, Battalion 49, Queens
Vincent S. Morello, 34, Ladder 35, Manhattan
Christopher Mozzillo, 27, Engine 55, Manhattan
Richard Muldowney Jr., 40, Ladder 7, Manhattan
Michael D. Mullan, 34, Ladder 12, Manhattan
Dennis Michael Mulligan, 32, Ladder 2, Manhattan
Raymond Murphy, 46, Lieutenant, Ladder 16, Manhattan
Robert B. Nagel, 55, Lieutenant, Engine 58, Manhattan
John Napolitano, 33, Rescue 2, Staten Island
Peter Allen Nelson, 42, Rescue 4, Queens
Gerard Terence Nevins, 46, Rescue 1, Staten Island
Dennis Oberg, Ladder 105, Brooklyn
Daniel O'Callaghan, 42, Lieutenant, Ladder 4, Manhattan
Douglas Oelschlager, 36, Ladder 15, Manhattan
Joseph J. Ogren, 30, Ladder 3, Manhattan
Thomas O'Hagan, 43, Lieutenant, Battalion 4, Manhattan
Samuel Oitice, 45
Patrick J. O'Keefe, 44, Rescue 1, Manhattan
William O'Keefe, 49, Captain, Division 15, Brooklyn
Eric Olsen, 41, Ladder 15, Manhattan
Jeffrey James Olsen, 31, Engine 10, Manhattan
Steven John Olson, 38, Ladder 3, Manhattan
Kevin O'Rourke, 44, Rescue 2, Brooklyn
Michael Otten, 42, Ladder 35, Manhattan
Jeffrey Matthew Palazzo, 33, Rescue 5, Staten Island
Orio Joseph Palmer, 45, Commander, Battalion 7, Manhattan
Frank Palombo, 46, Ladder 105, Brooklyn
Paul Pansini, 34, Engine 10, Manhattan
John Paolillo, 51, Commander, Battalion 11, Manhattan
James Pappageorge, Engine 23, Manhattan
Robert Parro, 35, Engine 8, Manhattan
Durrell Pearsall Jr., 34, Rescue 4, Queens
Glenn Perry, 41, Lieutenant, Battalion 12, Manhattan
Philip S. Petti, 43, Lieutenant, Battalion 7, Manhattan
Kevin Pfeiffer, Lieutenant, Engine 33, Manhattan
Kenneth Phelan, 41, Lieutenant, Battalion 32, Brooklyn
Christopher Pickford, 32, Engine 201, Brooklyn
Shawn Edward Powell, 32, Engine 207, Bronx
Vincent Princiotta, Ladder 7, Manhattan
Kevin Prior, 28, Squad 252, Brooklyn
Richard Prunty, 57, Chief, Battalion 2, Manhattan
Lincoln Quappe, 38, Rescue 2, Brooklyn
Michael Quilty, 42, Lieutenant, Ladder 11, Manhattan
Ricardo Quinn, 40, Paramedic, Bronx
Leonard Ragaglia, 36, Engine 54, Manhattan
Michael Ragusa, Engine 279, Brooklyn
Edward Rall, 44, Rescue 2, Staten Island
Adam David Rand, 30, Squad 288, Queens
Donald J. Regan, 47, Rescue 3, Manhattan
Robert M. Regan, 48, Lieutenant, Ladder 118, Brooklyn
Christian Regenhard, 28, Ladder 131, Brooklyn
Kevin Reilly, 28, Engine 207, Brooklyn
Vernon Richard, Lieutenant, Ladder 7, Manhattan
James Riches, 29, Engine 4, Manhattan
Joseph Rivelli Jr., Ladder 25, Manhattan
Michael Roberts, 30, Ladder 35, Manhattan
Michael Edward Roberts, 31, Engine 214, Brooklyn
Anthony Rocco Jr., Rescue 5, Staten Island
Anthony Rodriguez, 36, Engine 279, Brooklyn
Matthew Rogan, 37, Ladder 11, Manhattan
Keith Roma, 27, New York Fire Patrol
Nicholas P. Rossomando, 35, Rescue 5, Staten Island
Paul G. Ruback, 50, Ladder 25, Manhattan
Stephen P. Russell, 40, Engine 55, Manhattan
Michael Thomas Russo Sr., 44, Lieutenant, SOC, Manhattan
Matthew L. Ryan, 47, Commander, Engine 15, Manhattan
Thomas E. Sabella, 44, Ladder 13, Manhattan
Christopher Santora, 23, Engine 54, Manhattan
John Santore, 49, Ladder 5, Manhattan
Gregory Saucedo, 31, Ladder 5, Manhattan
Dennis Scauso, 46, HMC 1, Staten Island
John A. Schardt, 32, Engine 201, Brooklyn
Fred Claude Scheffold Jr., 57, Commander, Battalion 12, Manhattan
Thomas G. Schoales, 27, Engine 4, Manhattan
Gerard P. Schrang, 45, Rescue 3, Manhattan
Mark Schwartz, 50, Brooklyn NY
Gregory Sikorsky, 34, Squad 41, Staten Island
Stephen Gerard Siller, 34, Squad 1, Staten Island
Stanley S. Smagala Jr., 36, Engine 226, Brooklyn
Kevin J. Smith, 47, HMC 1, Staten Island
Leon Smith Jr., 48, Ladder 118, Brooklyn
Robert W. Spear Jr., 30, Engine 26, Manhattan
Joseph P. Spor, 35, Rescue 3, Manhattan
Lawrence T. Stack, 58, Commander, Battalion 50, Queens
Timothy Stackpole, 42, Captain, Division 11, Brooklyn
Gregory M. Stajk, 46, Ladder 13, Manhattan
Jeffrey Stark, 30, Engine 230, Brooklyn
Benjamin Suarez, 36, Ladder 21, Manhattan
Daniel Suhr, 37, Engine 216, Brooklyn
Christopher P. Sullivan, 38, Lieutenant, Ladder 111, Brooklyn
Brian Edward Sweeney, 29
Sean Patrick Tallon, 27, Ladder 10, Manhattan
Allan Tarasiewicz, 45, Rescue 5, Staten Island
Paul Tegtmeier, 41, Engine 4, Manhattan
John Patrick Tierney, 27, Ladder 9, Manhattan
John J. Tipping II, 33, Ladder 4, Manhattan
Hector Tirado Jr., 30, Engine 23, Manhattan
Richard Bruce Van Hine, 48, Squad 41, Staten Island
Peter A. Vega, Ladder 118, Brooklyn
Lawrence Veling, 44, Engine 235, Brooklyn
John T. Vigiano II, 36, Ladder 132, Brooklyn
Sergio Villanueva, Ladder 132, Brooklyn
Lawrence Virgilio, 38, Squad 18, Manhattan
Robert F. Wallace, 43, Lieutenant, Engine 205, Brooklyn
Jeffrey Patrick Walz, 37, Ladder 8, Manhattan
Michael Warchola, 51, Lieutenant, Ladder 5, Manhattan
Patrick J. Waters, 44, Captain, SOC, Manhattan
Kenneth Watson, 39, Engine 214, Brooklyn
Michael Weinberg, 34, Engine 1, Manhattan
David M. Weiss, 41, Rescue 1, Brooklyn
Timothy Welty, Squad 288, Queens
Eugene Whelan, Engine 230, Brooklyn
Edward White, Engine 230, Brooklyn
Mark Whitford, 31, Engine 23, Manhattan
Glenn Wilkinson, 46, Lieutenant, Engine 238, Lieutenant, Brooklyn
John Williamson, 46, Lieutenant, Commander, Battalion 6, Manhattan
David T. Wooley, 53, Captain, Ladder 4, Manhattan
Raymond York, 45, Engine 285, Queens



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John Gerard Coughlin, 43, Sergeant, ESU Truck 4, Bronx
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John D'Allara, 47, ESU Truck 2, Manhattan
Vincent G. Danz, 36, ESU Truck 3, Bronx
Jerome Mark Patrick Dominguez, ESU Truck 3, Bronx
Stephen Patrick Driscoll, 38, ESU Truck 4, Bronx
Mark Ellis, 26, Transit, District 4, Manhattan
Robert Fazio Jr., 41, 13th Precinct, Manhattan
Rodney Gillis, 33, Sergeant, ESU Truck 8, Brooklyn
Robert Philip Kloepfer, 39
Thomas Langone, 39, ESU Truck 10, Queens
James Leahy, 38, 6th Precinct, Manhattan
Brian G. McDonnell, 38, ESU Truck 10, Queens
John William Perry, 38, 40th Precinct, Bronx
Glenn K. Pettit, 30, Police Academy Video Unit, Manhattan
Claude D. Richards, 46, Detective, Bomb Squad, Manhattan
Luis N. Rivera, EMT
Fazio Robery, 13th Precinct
Timothy Roy, 36, Sergeant, Bus Squad, Manhattan
Moria Smith, 38, 13th Precinct, Manhattan
Ramon Suarez, 45, Transit, District 4, Manhattan
Paul Talty, 40, ESU Truck 10, Queens
Santos Valentin Jr., 39, ESU Truck 7, Brooklyn
Joseph Vincent Vigiano, 34, detective, ESU Truck 3, Bronx
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Clinton Davis Sr., 38, NY
Donald A. Foreman, 53, NY
Gregg J. Froehner, 46, NJ
Thomas Gorman41, NJ
Uhuru G. Houston, 32, NJ
George Howard, 45, NY
Steve Huczko, 44, NJ
Anthony P. Infante, 47, NJ, police inspector
Paul W. Jurgens, 47, NY
Robert Kaulfers, 49, NJ, Sergeant
Paul Laszczynski, 49, NJ
David LeMagne, 27, NJ
John J. Lennon Jr., 44, NJ
John Dennis Levi, 50, NY
James Francis Lynch, 47, NJ
Kathy Mazza-Delosh, 46, NY
Donald James McIntyre, 38, NY
Walter Arthur McNeil, 53, PA
Ferdinand V. Morrone, 63, superintendent of police
Joseph Navas, 44, NJ
James Nelson, 40, NJ
Alfonse J. Niedermeyer III, 40, NJ
James W. Parham, 32, NY
Dominick Pezzulo, 36, NY
Bruce A. Reynolds, 41, NJ
Antonio Jose Carrusca Rodrigues, 35, NY
Richard Rodriguez, 31, NJ
James A. Romito, 51, Chief
John P. Skala, 31, NJ
Walwyn Stuart, 28, NY
Kenneth Tietjen, 31, NJ
Nathaniel Webb, 56, NJ
Michael T. Wholey, 34, NJ

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 09:20 AM
This is for JerseyD:

About that "self centered jerks" you posted I will say to you:

If anyone is self centered then it is people like you, you jerk /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 09:20 AM
Hi Booscher-PBNA,

I kinda liked the speech. And I think it should be judged as the speech of an American student given in an American school about an event that took place in the USA.

Of course countless others than Americans have suffered directly or indirectly through the tragedy of September the 11th, but right here and now it's beside the point. You chose your focus and you stuck with it. That's all very well. To be honest it would have suited the speech with a few phrases about the effects on the rest of the world, but then again: It's alright without it.

Two things though: The MG-gunner you mention was John Finn. Of course he didn't receive 25 bullets in the chest. That would have killed even Superman. He received 18-21 wounds, ranging from scratches to serious flesh wounds (ie. no vital organs hit). Most of them would have come from (my English fails me), whatever material the bullets broke against when they hit the ground: Concrete, stones, the bones of comrades struck. A lot of bullet-inflicted casualties come not from the bullets, but indirectly through the debris they cause. What he did receive though was the Medal of Honor.

Also I totally fail to see any connection with Pearl Harbor. And especially with terrorism. Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack without the declaration of war. That is not unusual in military history, and it is especially not unusual in past or present US history.

Apart from that I liked your speech.

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JerseyD
09-12-2003, 09:23 AM
Yes No.1RAAF_edin I'm self centered ok
Thats why iv'e spend countless hours making custom skins for people here for years at zero profit to myself.

Also if your ever in America let me know I'd like to buy you a beer and bash it over your head/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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Message Edited on 09/12/0304:27AM by JerseyD

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 09:27 AM
JerseyD wrote:
- Yes No.1RAAF_edin I'm celf centered ok
- Thats why iv'e spend countless ours making custom
- skins for people here for years at zero profit to
- myself.

hehehe /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ... funny /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

So you're sooo good because you made skins for the people AND you didn't get paid for it and I am just a self centered jerk! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

How stupid can you be? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JerseyD
09-12-2003, 09:31 AM
I'm glad you don't represent Europe as a whole

Thats all I'm gonna say

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 09:31 AM
No.1RAAF_edin wrote:
- JerseyD wrote:
-- Yes No.1RAAF_edin I'm celf centered ok
-- Thats why iv'e spend countless ours making custom
-- skins for people here for years at zero profit to
-- myself.
-
- hehehe /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ... funny/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
- So you're sooo good because you made skins for the
- people AND you didn't get paid for it and I am just
- a self centered jerk! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
- How stupid can you be? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

um is this bye bye??

don't listen to him./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif great job./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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JerseyD
09-12-2003, 09:35 AM
No it's not bye bye but I'll tell you something.If posts like his start being the majority around here rather than the minority it will be bye bye.

We are still grieving a great loss here.
I don't go to peoples funerals talking about how sad it is but that there are other people dying in other places.

I would expect the same curtosy here but maybe I'm expecting too much


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Message Edited on 09/12/0304:37AM by JerseyD

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 09:36 AM
She ment bye bye as be gone evil nipple head (/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ).

No.1RAAF_edin is banned.

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 09:38 AM
hey thats my line!! lol/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif jersey lighten up a bit, you will live longer./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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JerseyD
09-12-2003, 09:39 AM
Ahh thank you!!!!!! I can get my blood presure back down to normal maybe /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 10:53 AM
Great work Boosher-PBNA

The young of american is guiding us into the future http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 11:22 AM
Vengeanze wrote:
- She ment bye bye as be gone evil nipple head
- No.1RAAF_edin is banned.


Your banning him for that one comment???!!!

These threads should not even get passed the first post surely. I thought GD was for IL2 related stuff only. These kind of posts only serve to start flame wars. For those who wish to talk about 11/9 etc they should go somewhere more appropriate.




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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 12:16 PM
no he did multiple postings that were rude and uncalled for.

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 12:46 PM
I see the reasoning for banning forum members.
There needs to be order and if people are being rude and insensitive they need to go.
But I don't think a mod should lower themselves and throw in an insult with a ban. That makes them no better than the person they banned.
'nipple head' is not the worst insult you can throw at someone and it isn't gonna give granny a seizure, but I think a mod should be a little more dignified even if the guy is a 'nipple head'.
Mods hold a position of respect in policing these forums.

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Vengeanze wrote:
- She ment bye bye as be gone evil nipple head
-
- No.1RAAF_edin is banned.
-

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 12:47 PM
Boosher:

I do not doubt your sincere attempt to speak of this subject in historic terms. Unfortunately, for some, it is viewed in political terms. My understanding is political discussions are not allowed in this forum.

As far as the casualty thing goes, your number is roughly correct. You don't have to die to be considered a casualty in even the strictest of definitions. Many were injured and I can tell you that the scars heal slowly. I was a medic way back when in the U.S. Army. I can't tell you a thing about heaven, but I have a vivid memory of hell. But of course, that would be considered religion... my apologies to this forum.

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 12:51 PM
I just read them all but I don't really agree. Edins post (the one which got him banned) was in response to JerseyD's response to Edins Thread.

First one by Edin

without going into long and meaningless discussion why... one and only reason is enough:

This forum is for General Discussion of IL-2 Related topics

...or am I wrong here?
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Jersey D responded

"Do you relize that some games WW2OL for one have gone so far as to completly change there main page as a sign respect for those lost on 9/11?

What does ubi post on 9/11?

Some crap about there new shnazy logo lol.

Do you self centered jerks relize that the twin towers were packed with people from many many different nationalities and nations?

in one trip to NYC you are sure to meet people of different nationalities than you would in 10 trips to foriegn nations

Maybe when the day comes that you all relize they attacked the free world that day and not NYC itself youll understand "
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Jersey's response was also uncalled for since his original post was right, this is IL2 forum nor 11/9 forum.


Edin's next post was in reference to WOLF who was being rude

"I agree with Wolf's attitude and I personally don't find this to be a tragedy... well it is sad but to me nothing more sad as people who dies in WWI, WWII, Palestinians, Bosnians, Ethiopians, Americans, Australians, Iraqis, East Timorese eand the list goes on...

So many people are killed, die from desease, hunger and what not else, and this happens as we speek and never ends. What's the worst is that no one gives a damn about them... it's just a news topic and gets forgotten, overlooked or changed the channel.

Just because someone is famous, polititian or rich, it is nothing more tragic if they die then then someone who has nothing to eat and dies from hunger In fact... people dying from hunger is more tragic that this

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Edin also stated to Petter_Gul:

YES it is tragic and sad, however to me it is MORE SAD that people die due to hunger, desease and wars they never made

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Vengeanze responded

She had the powers to work for a change for those people.

You're one more post from a ban edin.

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So where is edin's offensive remarks?

It's like this if people are going to abuse the IL2 GD board by insesent posts about 9/11 etc etc then they should expect there to be some people who don't agree...but....again the IL2 board is for IL2 and not these other topics which start in to political flame wars.

As a mod Vengeanze should be doing his job and enforcing the rules and not banning edin for having a different opinion.

IMHO Vengeanze is completely out of order here, their have been much worse remarks made recently which have not resulted in a ban.

I think he should be unbanned imediately unless there is some decent evidence that shows Edin to have be abusing the rules of the Forum.

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Message Edited on 09/12/0304:52AM by DKP

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 12:55 PM
It would be better all round if people treated these forums as the gaming forums they are.
Politics and religion will always start a fight.
That's why we have war.
9/11 is a painful memory, but this is a computer game forum!
IL-2 Forgotten Battles, I think is to be the 'General Discussion' here...?

LuckyBoy1 wrote:
- Boosher:
-
- I do not doubt your sincere attempt to speak of this
- subject in historic terms. Unfortunately, for some,
- it is viewed in political terms. My understanding
- is political discussions are not allowed in this
- forum.
-
- As far as the casualty thing goes, your number is
- roughly correct. You don't have to die to be
- considered a casualty in even the strictest of
- definitions. Many were injured and I can tell you
- that the scars heal slowly. I was a medic way back
- when in the U.S. Army. I can't tell you a thing
- about heaven, but I have a vivid memory of hell.
- But of course, that would be considered religion...
- my apologies to this forum.
-
-
- Luckyboy = senior hydraulic landing gear designer
- for the P-11

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 01:18 PM
On the day, two years ago, I was sad, horrified, outraged, I felt like going to Afganistan myself with a rifle and a handful of bullets. I'm not even American but Canadian.

What upsets me now, is using that tragedy as a false pretext to invade Iraq, causing the deaths of 3000+ Iraqi civilians.

Each of those Iraqi lives was a s precious as meaningful as any N.American or Euopean life. But listening to the memorial services yesteday I got the distinct impression that the US admistration and the American people don't feel that's true

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 01:22 PM
All death is bad IMHO

But edin was unfairly banned and I think he should be reinstated on the board. Overzealous moderating on a topic that should clearly NOT be here is outrageous.


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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 01:27 PM
Thank you DKP!

I got a mesage from the moderator that banned me telling me I should honour my ban and NOT return here... however as I did he told me he'll leave it like this but asked me TO BEHAVE this time!

As you just proved DKP I did absolutely NOTHING wrong and never insulted anyone... instead I got insulted and banned!

If they ban me completely so be it... it just proves I was wright.

PS: This comment is for JerseyD:

To your knowledge (or maybe lack of it) about that comment you made about you being so good as you make skins for comunity, have a look at the skins I made...FOR FREE, as you say it! Next time get your facts straight before commenting like that.

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 01:27 PM
I know other nationalities, remember the topic post.

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 01:34 PM
Nice to see you are back Edin!

Now all that remains is to lock all and every one of these flame war creating posts!

Mods?!!

Please enforce the rules and lets keep it to IL2

S!


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Message Edited on 09/12/0305:34AM by DKP

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 01:57 PM
*sigh*. U kids make me tired.

9/11 was a very tragic disaster and a blow on democracy as a hole.
It was not only isolated to America. The tremors reach all over the world.

It is understandable that many feel that they want to pay their tribute to the victims. Not only americans (I'm a swede).
And they want to do it with people with whom they share a common interest.

Threads about 9/11 is according to the book off topic BUT we're not living in a static world.
UBI Soft and it's community manager have confidence in our years of experience in modding these forums.

We made the decision to allow a couple of threads for our community members to be able to posts their concerns and come together in rememberance.

At the most I could see four 9/11 related posts on first page.
The first page display 31 threads.
Four out of 31 was about 9/11 or Anna Lindh.

But u still feel u can't read IL-2 related posts for all the commemoration threads???


Edin, to put it simple you walked into a commemoration and screamed out that all attendants MUST mourn all dead all over the world NOW.
Very bad style and inappropriate.

There's your reason. If you don't like it then feel free to contact the community manager or UBI.
It won't change a thing.


Finally, a new day has come. It's time to move on in our fight for a free and democratic world for our children.
I therefore ask all to let the 9/11 threads drop.

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 02:10 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Edin, to put it simple you walked into a
- commemoration and screamed out that all attendants
- MUST mourn all dead all over the world NOW.

That is NOT what I said or how I said it. I "jumped in" to defend a guy who got flamed for speaking up the truth and leting people know they are OFF TOPIC! No one in any of started posts of 9/11 had a note this OFF TOPIC is allowed or a special consideration from forum guidelines.

Even if it was imagine what this place would be like if couple other people start posting about other disasters... le'me give you just one example: Izrael and WestBank. Almost every day blood is shed by both sides... children die, women die... So now every time something hapens over there which is also a damn TRAGEDY people should post their condolesences.

This somehow already is in place as Mr JerseyD posted about an actor who died.

I think you can see where I'm heading. I am not a kid and I've seen lot of sh*t in my life time... much before this 9/11.

Still the point being is these threads should not be here. They are not only inapropriate but people who suposedly express their condolesences say things like:

"Let them burn in hell"

"Kill the terorists"

and stuff like that. THIS is NOT apropriate AT ALL!

I got banned for a reason which is not right... and you know that damn well. In this last post you were more "professional" in saying what you mean instead of insulting me like before.

I did nothing wrong, and if you people can't see and admit that, call yourselves NOT adults.

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 02:15 PM
rcorporon wrote:
-

-
-It was approx 2700


Ya and how many civilians have been killed in the iraq bombings? do they have any kind of memoriam day or whatever...

well not as many as 2700 but still too many...

i think they deserve one memoriam day too.. atleast one silent moment..

People seem to forget that we all are equal...
im Just saying

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JerseyD
09-12-2003, 02:17 PM
RAAF_Edin you are a low life and I have nothing more to say to you.Flame away buddy /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 02:18 PM
Same to you Mr JerseyD!

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 02:26 PM
excellent speech Boosher .. very eloequent .. ignore the negativity ..



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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 02:29 PM
I'm sorry if I sound like a "Kid". I thought I put a reasoned arguement forward that a) Edin was unfairly banned and b) These topics are not IL2 related and therefore have no place on the board. Its funny how you can lock one thread for being off topic but not another. Also I never said the forum was swimming with 9/11 threads but these type of threads only end up as flame wars! Surely your "years of experience in modding these forums" should tell you that.

By the way I have listed the staements made by Edin above I don't see any of them as "screaming out that all attendants MUST mourn all dead all over the world NOW"

But it seems you wish to change the facts to make your arguement. You want to call us names for having an opinion fair enough thats your perogative but then who is the kid?

Once again my point is that the threads end up in flame wars enough said, this happens over and over again!

S!



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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 02:31 PM
So instead of starting a thread about one of the disaster u write about u prefer to post offending posts in an existing 9/11 thread??

It doesn't make sense. What u expect to achieve?

Four out of 31 threads during one single day. U can't just let it slip for one day?
Amazing.


RAAF_Edin wrote:
- Still the point being is these threads should not be
- here.

Zorro? It's u?
Please leave the modding to those appointed and who has done it for several years.

You were banned for being offensive in a time of grief.

Time to move this discussion to PM or mail.

Locking.

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