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ANBO-23
03-22-2004, 03:16 AM
My current system:

Athlon 1800+
Gigabyte 7VAX
512 MB RAM
WD800JB
4MX440

I play only IL2:FB, and only online. I am not planing any major upgrade until Athlon 64 4000+ will be like Athlon 2500+ today.
If I change my VGA to 5900XT or 9600XT, will I see BIG difference ? If I upgrade VGA, can I hope to have better results in dogfight ? ( For example now it is hard to see dark plane over trees)
What about laaaaaag ? Will new VGA help in this aspect ?

[This message was edited by ANBO-23 on Mon March 22 2004 at 02:43 AM.]

ANBO-23
03-22-2004, 03:16 AM
My current system:

Athlon 1800+
Gigabyte 7VAX
512 MB RAM
WD800JB
4MX440

I play only IL2:FB, and only online. I am not planing any major upgrade until Athlon 64 4000+ will be like Athlon 2500+ today.
If I change my VGA to 5900XT or 9600XT, will I see BIG difference ? If I upgrade VGA, can I hope to have better results in dogfight ? ( For example now it is hard to see dark plane over trees)
What about laaaaaag ? Will new VGA help in this aspect ?

[This message was edited by ANBO-23 on Mon March 22 2004 at 02:43 AM.]

carguy_
03-22-2004, 03:59 AM
First of all FB depends mostly on the CPU,but vid card is very important too.Stay far away from FX XT series.It`s worse than standard FX.Also look for Radeons - they are better.

Looking at your specs I assume you ain`t got AGPx8.If so,you won`t see a BIG difference.Also the CPU is kinda ols and I don`t think it would get everything out of this Radeon.

Ofcorse your FPS would speed up and give you nice results.But when it gets croudy(cities,AAA) then the cPU processing power comes first.

I`m not a technician.I can tell you this.

With current specs you can setup yourself with a GF4400Ti and another 512MB stick.It would give you nice improvment without losing money.

After you get some nice CPU and a mobo that handles AGPx8 then you could upgrade to Radeon9800pro(time works on the price).

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Yellonet
03-22-2004, 04:34 AM
Yes, you should upgrade your graphics card. Get a Radeon 9800Pro, they're not that expensive nowadays, or possibly a Radeon 9600Pro or XT. With one of these cards you should see a nice performance increase. Not to mention that they will allow you to fully experience DX9.

- Yellonet

B16Enk
03-22-2004, 04:37 AM
Your card is limiting you, and the 9600XT is a good card (I had one for a while that replaced my Ti4200) and you will like it.

As Carguy has so succinctly put it though...More RAM and a faster CPU would also help.

A second-hand Ti4200 would be an improvement and would cost (from Ebay) about 40 leaving you money for more RAM.

ptthome
03-22-2004, 05:19 AM
My backup machine is an Athlon 2000+ with 512 and ATI8500. Guess what - its processor is the bottleneck. I have overclocked the graphics, no improvement, added another 512mb - this only improves smoothness over BIG cities like Leningrad, also tried putting in the FX5900XT off my main system. Conclusion - it is processor bound.

I got round this by, new Mobo, XP2600+, 1Gb corsair and the FX5900 etc. I.E new computer at the end.

So quite honestly, unless your graphics card is realy dramaticaly worse than an antique ATI8500 leave it alone. Plugging in a 9800pro is a waste of money - it will just sit there waiting for the cpu. Also all these graphics cards will be obselete within 2 months as the new generation comes out.

If your mobo takes a 2500+ barton, plug one in ($100 well spent)
If you fly offline over Leningrad - add 256-512Mb memory.

Then spend time tuning your settings (look at community help forum)

Now your real question - will you be a better dogfighter with better graphics.
Maby - maby not. For spotting enemy in any conditions without ikons on - It helps to reduce your resolution - the bigger pixels are easier to spot. I dropped from 1138 to 1024 res and already it improved. If I drop to 800x600 I might even become a decent dogfighter - but I would miss the eye candy.

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LEXX_Luthor
03-22-2004, 05:34 AM
Athalon 1700+
WinXP Homely
256 MB 133MHz SDRAM
Radeon made ATI 9200 (not SE version)

And I run ~30fps with Excellent settings in ~very~ grafix-heavy landscapes like Kuban moutains and forest valleys (not so good in big cities like Berlin where I never fly anyway).

I would say the "Perfect Mode" grafix in FB alone--by itself--is not worth an extra 100+ dollars cos FB grafix are getting old now and 9200 will give you everything for FB cheap unless you want something for newer games.

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wotan111
03-22-2004, 05:48 AM
If you intend to get AEP or BOB you can forget 30fps with a
"Athalon 1700+
WinXP Homely
256 MB 133MHz SDRAM
Radeon made ATI 9200 "

Back to the original question buy a 9600xt as this will be good in your next new system. If you buy more ram or a cpu its money down the drain as they are not transferable.

SO buy a graphics card as good as one as you can afford.

In maybe september/october Im going to buy a new MB. One which takes the FX and has pci express.

I will then save for a chip and ram. Then a new graphics card. Hopefully over a period of a few months I will be able to build a new PC. This is just so I can play BOB when it comes out. So im going to buy a piace at a time as forking out all at once is a no, no.

steve_v
03-22-2004, 07:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Should I upgrade my VGA ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Defintiely yes. Your current card, the GeF4 MX440, along with the entire series of nVidia MX cards, were never designed or intended for gaming. You will see a huge difference going from a very poor card to a mid or high end card, espically in image quality. The ATI 9800 Pros are very inexpensive now and I would see if it fit your budget.

B16Enk
03-22-2004, 08:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steve_v:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Should I upgrade my VGA ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Defintiely yes. Your current card, the GeF4 MX440, along with the entire series of nVidia MX cards, were never designed or intended for gaming. You will see a huge difference going from a very poor card to a mid or high end card, espically in image quality. The ATI 9800 Pros are very inexpensive now and I would see if it fit your budget.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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ANBO-23
03-22-2004, 09:34 AM
In my place 9800PRO costs almost twice 9600XT.
I see everyone here likes Radeon, but I think 5900XT with 256bit bus is more powerful than 9600XT. ( price the same)

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-22-2004, 09:35 AM
A good vid card is a must. Also, I know you said you wouldn't be upgrading your rig, but you can get an Athlon 2200+ for $59 at one of the pricewatch vendors.

$59 isn't much and the boost would definitely be noticeable (especially if you get a 9600/9800 vid card). You would need to check your mobo info to make sure it could handle it, but most 1800+ systems were able to go up to 2200+ without any problem or alteration to their settings.

Also, I currently use a FX 5900 Ultra. While this card runs very well and I've had no problems, I would get a 9800 pro/XT if I had it to do over again. Maybe nv40 will change that.

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Rogodin
03-22-2004, 11:05 AM
You also need to keep in mind that a 9800pro will last you through an upgrade cycle or two-I wouldn't waste one penny on a card that is less powerful than a 9800pro.

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El Turo
03-22-2004, 11:11 AM
ANYTHING but an MX-series card will net you a huge gain in performance.

A while ago, I upgraded from an MX440 to a ti-4200 128mb card and nearly doubled my FPS.

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LEXX_Luthor
03-22-2004, 11:41 AM
If you are hard up for cash, then go 9200. Install and use is very simple too.

If you can afford it--definitely get something better for BoB that will be releaced in a year or two--or for other new games too.

......also, unlike 9800 they don't arrive dead as much nor do they fail as often....or so I heard.


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