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lonelygod91
05-13-2013, 05:30 PM
Something I never really understood regarding the memory seals in Revelations... I get that they were the key to the library door but I've never grasped as to the significance of Ezio having to view the six Altair memories within. Ultimately they change nothing about the game's ending. Granted, we learn Altair's full story but Ezio at one point wonders what Altair was trying to tell the Assassins through his memories. I don't think we ever found out the reason. Surely if they functioned as the library key what would viewing his memories reveal to Ezio?

pacmanate
05-13-2013, 05:32 PM
I think its because Ezio thought his life was wasted and was all for the Assassin's and he thought he was the only one. But then he saw Altair and how he lived to 92 still believing in the Creed.

Idk :P

ze_topazio
05-13-2013, 05:35 PM
Why not?

poptartz20
05-13-2013, 05:36 PM
Because it was reason to give Ezio that extra game everybody wanted! Woo! lol! really... I don't remember.

ProletariatPleb
05-13-2013, 05:38 PM
cause he was too dumb to understand what to do with life.

poptartz20
05-13-2013, 05:38 PM
cause he was too dumb to understand what to do with life.

This... Haha. Oh wow. I can't stop laughing.

jayjay275
05-13-2013, 05:39 PM
To find out the truth.

SixKeys
05-13-2013, 05:44 PM
cause he was too dumb to understand what to do with life.

^ This, lol.

They were going for the angle that Ezio was questioning the meaning of his life and the order and that Alta´r's memories were somehow supposed to provide him with the answers. It didn't quite come out that way in the final game, though. Ezio always recapped something he supposedly learned after watching one of Alta´r's memories ß la "I learned something today", but the stuff he learned wasn't terribly relevant or impactful to his own current situation.

poptartz20
05-13-2013, 05:46 PM
http://youtu.be/rNlSv4SUYWo

itsamea-mario
05-13-2013, 05:47 PM
Why did he want to get to the vault in the first place? he wanted knowledge, he wanted to learn about the assassins and other secrets held within, so why wouldn't he jump at the opportunity to not only learn about Altair, but to relive parts of his life?

UncappedWheel82
05-13-2013, 06:31 PM
It was because of, and for, the benefit of Desmond. You've got to remember that the whole reason for the game was because Desmond was in a coma and he was looking for a way to separate himself from Ezio and Altair.

From the beginning of Ezio's story, he had always been just means to an end, a conduit from the past to the present, so him experiencing everything, including Altair's memories was less about him, and more about Desmond and how it would help him in the future. At the same time though, Ezio himself was looking for answers too, but in the end none of the answers were ever for him directly. Even if Ezio knew why he was doing what he was doing, he was after all just playing he part, and he realized that at the end of AC2.

Furthermore, the whole series has been built on syncing with the past. Only after Desmond had become fully synced with both Ezio and Altair was Jupiter's message revealed. You could also look at it all as just another elaborate plan to position the right people at the right time in the past/present.

Why did desmond need to see the memories? I guess so he would know where he came from, and ultimately have a better knowledge of what he was fighting for and why, as well as to find out where the grand temple was from Jupiter.

lonelygod91
05-13-2013, 06:48 PM
I take your point but my main confusion stems from what exactly Altair's memories actually revealed to Ezio. As he himself states in the game Altair was trying to tell him something through the memory seals but the game never elaborates on this. I suppose it could be that the memories showed that he could end his life as an Assassin ('seeing enough for one life') but really that's hardly a massive revelation (pun intended). We knew going into this game that it would be Ezio's last so the idea of him retiring from his Assassin duties is hardly an astonishing plot twist.

SixKeys
05-13-2013, 06:50 PM
We knew going into this game that it would be Ezio's last so the idea of him retiring from his Assassin duties is hardly an astonishing plot twist.

Revelations! :rolleyes:

UncappedWheel82
05-13-2013, 08:55 PM
You kind of hit the nail on the head there.

The message Ezio took away was that he had a choice: to live as an Assassin for the rest of his days, or he could settle down and actually live for himself. Altair showed him where life as an Assassin would ultimately lead and after that Ezio made his choice. Whether any of that was a massive revelation or not is dependent on what you were looking for or expecting. Yeah we knew going in that this would be Ezio's finale, but in the grand scheme of things that wasn't the point. Ezio is just a small blip on the radar as far as the AC series goes, while Desmond and the present are the supposed stars of the show.

IMO as a whole, Revelations, while a fun game in the end (IMO), was ultimately unessessary as it didn't add a whole lot to the story to the over all mythos. Yeah it fleashed out a bunch, and it gave Ezio and Altair a little more closure, but there wasn't much more than that to be had storywise. In hindsight though, BH and Rev did exactly what they were suppose to do, extend the initial story and reiterate that Ezio and Altair were stepping stone and not much else. Revelations, for better or worse, only served to hammer home the premise that they are aren't the focus, and Desmond is the one.

Assassin_M
05-13-2013, 09:07 PM
If i remember, Altair`s decisions, regrets and role influence Ezio greatly...Remember that line Altair speaks after escorting the Polos?? About how he wishes he had the humility to tell himself that he has seen enough for one life and that he played his part in this world. Ezio says the same lines and reflects on his life and accepts his role as a conduit without comprehension...

at least that`s how I saw it

LoyalACFan
05-13-2013, 11:56 PM
Am I the only one who thought the "message" Altair was trying to convey was a warning about the Apple? I mean... the central theme of the Altair memories was that the Apple completely ****ed up his life. It showed Al Mualim as a caring figure in the first seal, then showed how the Apple corrupted him, then Abbas, then got Maria and Sef killed, etc. etc. etc... Altair had no idea who the seals were actually meant for, only that he had to preserve them and pass them down through the generations. And since they were keys to the chamber that held the Apple, it makes sense that the memories he chose to imprint on the seals served as a warning for whoever was about to receive the Apple once they collected all the keys and viewed the memories therein. As it turns out, the Apple warning was unnecessary for Ezio, since he had already came into contact with POE's and knew their danger, but the incidental messages that showed Altair's grace under fire, devotion to the Creed, and acceptance of the fact that he didn't know who the messages were for, were actually more relevant to him.

In short, Altair intended the seals to serve as a warning, but Ezio (who already knew about the Apple's power) interpreted them from a different standpoint which led him to finally come to terms with the "wasted" years he spent as an Assassin and his ultimate role as a conduit to deliver a message to someone he would never know.

Abeonis
05-14-2013, 12:19 AM
I got the impression that Ezio had no choice in the matter with regards to viewing Al's memories. As soon as Ezio picked up a Key, he was automatically thrown into the memory recorded onto it. That isn't to say that what he saw didn't have a profound affect upon him (as most others have said), but I very much doubt Ezio started off looking to learn more about Al besides what resided inside his library.

montagemik
05-14-2013, 12:45 AM
Am I the only one who thought the "message" Altair was trying to convey was a warning about the Apple? I mean... the central theme of the Altair memories was that the Apple completely ****ed up his life. It showed Al Mualim as a caring figure in the first seal, then showed how the Apple corrupted him, then Abbas, then got Maria and Sef killed, etc. etc. etc... Altair had no idea who the seals were actually meant for, only that he had to preserve them and pass them down through the generations. And since they were keys to the chamber that held the Apple, it makes sense that the memories he chose to imprint on the seals served as a warning for whoever was about to receive the Apple once they collected all the keys and viewed the memories therein. As it turns out, the Apple warning was unnecessary for Ezio, since he had already came into contact with POE's and knew their danger, but the incidental messages that showed Altair's grace under fire, devotion to the Creed, and acceptance of the fact that he didn't know who the messages were for, were actually more relevant to him.

In short, Altair intended the seals to serve as a warning, but Ezio (who already knew about the Apple's power) interpreted them from a different standpoint which led him to finally come to terms with the "wasted" years he spent as an Assassin and his ultimate role as a conduit to deliver a message to someone he would never know.

Pretty much this ^^^^^^
With all the knowledge Altair had obtained from the Apple throughout his long life & all the good he'd accomplished with this knowledge - Altair realised the danger it carried .
The seals ultimately show key moments showing no matter who weilds them - whatever their intentions - In the end The Apple is too dangerous to be trusted for any one man to use - It's not for Altair / Ezio to use & was never intended to be.
Altair only knew to keep it safe where only Assassins may find it ........ -
Ezio already had some knowledge of Desmond though centuries apart ............So finally realised HIS (ezio's ) role was done & who the apple was intended for once the final lesson from Altair's seals was understood.

The Truth behind his & the apple's purpose - Is the reason Ezio needed to view the seals .

(& keeping the fanbase entertained until AC3 was completed was the purpose of AC-B & AC-R )

TheHumanTowel
05-14-2013, 12:58 AM
So he could see Altair had hidden the apple in Masayaf and could then leave the apple there rendering the entire exercise pointless. Not to mention that Altair's apple being in Masayaf forces you to accept that it was just a massive coincidence there just happened to be another apple in the very place Altair pretended he hid the apple. (Rodrigo you lucky bastard)

Also it was so Desmond could have AC2's ending repeated to him in case he'd experienced memory loss during his coma.

Assassin's Creed: Revelations everybody! It's worse than Assassin's Creed 3! *wink*

Assassin_M
05-14-2013, 01:01 AM
So he could see Altair had hidden the apple in Masayaf and could then leave the apple there rendering the entire exercise pointless. Not to mention that Altair's apple being in Masayaf forces you to accept that it was just a massive coincidence there just happened to be another apple in the very place Altair pretended he hid the apple. (Rodrigo you lucky bastard)

Also it was so Desmond could have AC2's ending repeated to him in case he'd experienced memory loss during his coma.

Assassin's Creed: Revelations everybody! It's worse than Assassin's Creed 3! *wink*
Uhh...Rodrigo`s knowledge of the Apple in Cyprus had nothing to do with Altair...

TheHumanTowel
05-14-2013, 01:09 AM
Uhh...Rodrigo`s knowledge of the Apple in Cyprus had nothing to do with Altair...
I know. It's just heavily implied in the codex Altair left the apple on cyprus. And then Rodrigo returns from Cyprus with an apple. It's pretty obvious what conclusion we were supposed to draw. It's not a plot hole it's just incredibly dumb.

Assassin_M
05-14-2013, 01:10 AM
I know. It's just heavily implied in the codex Altair left the apple on cyprus. And then Rodrigo returns from Cyprus with an apple. It's pretty obvious what conclusion we were supposed to draw. It's not a plot hole it's just incredibly dumb.
fair enough

A.R.T.H
06-04-2013, 08:04 AM
There are so many things in my mind i wanna explain to you right now
it was for Ezio and Desmond both
they wanted to tell us what happened with Altair in his last days also tell Ezio he is not alone and that he played an important part in all this
Those memories showed sacrifices made by Altair, the life he lived, has us connect with him
keys gave the location of main vault where all vaults sent their knowledge/foundlings to prevent Annihilation where AC3 starts as Desmond said and i quote "i know where to go."
there are far many things going on in my mind i wanna say but i'll recommend you play ACR once again while paying huge deal of attention.