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ajl992008
03-24-2013, 06:19 PM
ok so I haven't done much research into this so you guys can help out with the specifics but I think I know a good way for connor to return in the next game after ac4. ok SPOILERS we all know that edward dies in london when his house was stormed by templars END SPOILERS, now the interesting thing is that they take his journal, now what was inside that journal we also know that haytham was in the house as well. here is my idea, the next ac after ac4 (lets just call it ac 2014) could feature all 3 characters of edward, haytham and connor. we could begin by seeing edwards memories in London up until the conception of haytham, after this we will view haythams memories to get more back story for him and play the game up until his departure to america. we then move on to see connor's memories as he goes to london to find out more on the kenway family, he could meet jenny in her old age as we don't know when jenny died, the story for connor could revolve around finding the journal as it would have information on edwards life but Edward may have left a secret in there which is vital to something in the present day, maybe a message or map to another artifact. the game could be mainly based in london which is something fans have been wanting for a long time but then we could have other locations, this could show the conclusion of connors and edwards story (SPOILERSas we can see edwards death through haythams eyes END SPOILERS) and physically see the back story of haytham as that would be more satisfying then getting this back story from a book, this also does another thing fans have wanted, multiple ancestors in one game which would be interesting, this could give a fitting conclusion to the kenway family saga and in turn leave the door open for new ancestors afterward. what do you guy think of the idea?

diaboslb7
03-24-2013, 08:05 PM
I think that could result but I do not know if they will give another game with Connor because TOKW may be his final in the last episode

Shamgar823
03-24-2013, 08:18 PM
Thanks for spoiling how Edward dies. not everyone reads the novels. I was waiting for the game

pablo2977
03-24-2013, 09:22 PM
Thanks for spoiling how Edward dies. not everyone reads the novels. I was waiting for the game

I know how you feel edwards dead before i even seen him

Locopells
03-24-2013, 09:47 PM
That's not actually a bad suggestion, if you think about it.

Sushiglutton
03-24-2013, 09:50 PM
It's a good idea. I wouldn't be suprised at all if they do something like that. Feels like 5 will be a Kenway game and London is kind of the natural choice of setting (a very commercial setting too, which doesn't hurt).

dewgel
03-24-2013, 10:55 PM
Guys, very spoilery, BUT - Who says he died then? He simply went missing.

Also, I doubt they'd do that. Great idea, but chances are if you thought of it, they won't do it. It's too predictable.

I'd quite like it if the game started with a bit of Connor after AC3 - settled on his Homestead as an older man, and reading through Achilles' journals from when he was an early Assassin or even talking to Bobby Faulkner (who was born in 1715, coincidence?)

Would be pretty cool if the game was narrated by Bobby or someone, and perhaps every few sequences it pans back to Connor on the Homestead.

Doubt it'll happen mind :P

ajl992008
03-24-2013, 11:59 PM
Thanks for spoiling how Edward dies. not everyone reads the novels. I was waiting for the game

sorry that wasn't my intention, I never read the novels either, i learnt it from the forums as LOADS of people have talked about it s i assumed most people knew about it. I added a spoiler warning in the post for anyone in future who reads it. its not really relevant though since you won;t see him die in the game as you know he dies well after the birth of haytham and that the game is set in the carribean and what happens to edward occurs in london.

ajl992008
03-25-2013, 12:01 AM
I know how you feel edwards dead before i even seen him

the guys not immortal, everyone dies you know, as i explained to the other guy i added spoiler warnings but its not really that relevant i think.

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 12:01 AM
Connor and London....that would be a dream come true

LieutenantJojo
03-25-2013, 12:43 AM
Well, if they do continue with the Kenways after AC4:BF, London would seem like a logical choice for the next location. Edward returned there at some point, Haytham grew up there and Connor might just want to go there to find out more about his heritage. The Kenway family is the perfect excuse to have a London based AC as soon as possible, imo.

And I like what the OP has in mind, but I think it might be a little... too much? 3 ancestors, all having a good portion of the game would feel weird... If they do go this way, then they better give us an option to play as all 3 of them after the game ends.

FirestarLuva
03-25-2013, 12:55 AM
Maybe if there is a Connor game in the French Revolution we'll get London and Paris as the main locations? And Connor going to London to find more about the Kenways, maybe some sort of secret/journal left by Edward or Haytham seems possible and the French Revolution somehow being tied into this would be great. Don't know what location would be a Frontier though...
Even if it will be all about Connor, I hope they don't leave out Ratonhnhake:ton, his native side. Even if the conflict between Connor/Ratonhnhake:ton is explored in TOKW, I really hope to see the divide appear in a future game. Maybe the tea from TOKW could have some sort of influence on Connor (since drinking the tea is somehow Connor using the apple?) and make him lose control/rage at some point which will remind us of Ratonhnhake:ton. (no, I don't mean him having the powers in real life, lol) Similar to the Good/Dark Prince from The Two Thrones.

scamplin
03-25-2013, 12:55 AM
I like your idea a lot. I think it would be a brilliant move for them to have a storyline take place in England....whether it be Connor or yet another ancestor. There needs to be an Assassin story take place in GB.

ajl992008
03-25-2013, 01:20 AM
Well, if they do continue with the Kenways after AC4:BF, London would seem like a logical choice for the next location. Edward returned there at some point, Haytham grew up there and Connor might just want to go there to find out more about his heritage. The Kenway family is the perfect excuse to have a London based AC as soon as possible, imo.

And I like what the OP has in mind, but I think it might be a little... too much? 3 ancestors, all having a good portion of the game would feel weird... If they do go this way, then they better give us an option to play as all 3 of them after the game ends.

i see what you mean by it being too much but it could work, only not having "full" campaigns for each character, lets say each character gets 5 sequences with each sequences being roughly 1 hour to 1 1/2 hours give or take variations this can give a nice healthy 6-7 hour campaign per character which is enough to get some level of depth and detail, since the events covered, at least for haytham and edward in london are not as expansive, they can be covered in 5 sequences, the trouble may be connors part, but TOKW is basically 3/4 sequences worth of gameplay and i hear it has done well in terms of developing connor so i don't see why they can't do the same here with 5 sequences.

Roanark
03-25-2013, 02:01 AM
Your wall of text was too much, so I didn't even bother.
Connor was a terribly boring character, he had very little emotion most of the game and was led around like an obedient dog... His voice actor is probably mono-toned and his character is just so... Bland.

I nearly **** a brick when Connor had emotion when those two people on the homestead were getting married... I can't think of a single other time he showed convincing emotion.

neo6631mw01
03-25-2013, 02:25 AM
tokw wont be conners last if it end how i think it will the time line will return hopefully they wont kill him off weve only seen what less than 30 years of his life, theres many way he could return such as ac contracts were he after defeating georgie templars whoever find the apple or are tracking i posted this idea in detail about a week ago if interested look for ac 3 contract which my original idea was to be dlc.............but he has to return grandpa looks cool and hell dad was an a- hole conner is the best if his kin

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 02:29 AM
Your wall of text was too much, so I didn't even bother.
Connor was a terribly boring character, he had very little emotion most of the game and was led around like an obedient dog... His voice actor is probably mono-toned and his character is just so... Bland.

I nearly **** a brick when Connor had emotion when those two people on the homestead were getting married... I can't think of a single other time he showed convincing emotion.
Connor had every type of emotion, but apparently you were doing something else or probably waited for another Ezio type of emotion, Connor was only an errand boy throughout the first part of the game, his voice is mono-toned, because the VA made him like this.English is his second language.

Like I said, he showed lots of emotion, but you did not pay enough attention....next time, pay more attention;)

nunosilva13
03-25-2013, 03:01 AM
I would think of Connor actually go after templars in london and the stuff about haytham and edward being on "bleeding effects" or whatever u want to call them.

I-Like-Pie45
03-25-2013, 03:06 AM
Bleeding effects only happen to people who've been left in the Animus for too long like Clay or Daniel Cross...

Why would Connor have bleeding effects if the Animus won't be invented for another two hundred years?

nunosilva13
03-25-2013, 03:10 AM
Bleeding effects only happen to people who've been left in the Animus for too long like Clay or Daniel Cross...

Why would Connor have bleeding effects if the Animus won't be invented for another two hundred years?

Ezio had some kind of bleeding effects about Altair and i'm not talking about the Seals. I'm talking about the ghost he sees.

I was talking something like connor being in one place and seeing a ghost of haytham and the game would switch to 4 decades ago and you play as haytham for a while (2~4 missions).

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 03:12 AM
Ezio had some kind of bleeding effects about Altair and i'm not talking about the Seals. I'm talking about the ghost he sees.
That was not bleeding effect. Altair is not related to Ezio. Ezio can see these ghosts, because he possesed eagle vision, just like how Desmond can see the Villagers escaping at the beginning of ACB

murphdawg1
03-25-2013, 04:02 AM
Interesting idea but if Ubisoft follows their own previous history then AC V will have a totally new assassin.

Roanark
03-25-2013, 04:02 AM
Connor had every type of emotion, but apparently you were doing something else or probably waited for another Ezio type of emotion, Connor was only an errand boy throughout the first part of the game, his voice is mono-toned, because the VA made him like this.English is his second language.

Like I said, he showed lots of emotion, but you did not pay enough attention....next time, pay more attention;)
It would really be appreciated if you could give an example... He had his normal monotone, a few scenes of anger, and one scene of happiness.
That's a whopping two emotions... His facial expression was hardly changed and he remained an errand boy the entire game, whether it be for the
"assassin's" or the revolutionary leaders.
I've actually been pretty happy with the DLC simply because Connor is seeking out answers for himself, not somebody who asked or commanded him to.

Also while English may be his second language he has known it since he was a kid, making him entirely fluent... (So much he even speaks English to the people from his tribe.) Hardly an excuse for a mono-toned voice.

VitaminsXYZ
03-25-2013, 04:35 AM
Also while English may be his second language he has known it since he was a kid, making him entirely fluent... (So much he even speaks English to the people from his tribe.) Hardly an excuse for a mono-toned voice.

If you're talking about the TOKW, then no, he's not actually speaking English to his tribe. He's speaking Mohawk (and that's implied whenever he speaks to any Native), much like how Ezio was actually speaking Italian. We just hear it in English so we're not forced to read subtitles the entire game.

And he's honestly not supposed to be that fluent. Connor was originally supposed to have an accent, too, but they didn't know how to include it without making it sound stereotypical. So the VA went for a more robotic way of speaking instead.

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 04:40 AM
It would really be appreciated if you could give an example... He had his normal monotone, a few scenes of anger, and one scene of happiness.
That's a whopping two emotions... His facial expression was hardly changed and he remained an errand boy the entire game, whether it be for the
"assassin's" or the revolutionary leaders.
I've actually been pretty happy with the DLC simply because Connor is seeking out answers for himself, not somebody who asked or commanded him to.

Also while English may be his second language he has known it since he was a kid, making him entirely fluent... (So much he even speaks English to the people from his tribe.) Hardly an excuse for a mono-toned voice.
Happiness
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me28zpLIi51qee6tdo1_500.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/758a8a36c1271f1b34e0e92cec183e5b/tumblr_mf4d2ewmkV1r9d24wo1_500.jpg
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me4k23xHL21r4ex49.png
http://25.media.tumblr.com/858c3aab4fc89b663ec6b66faf9a117f/tumblr_mg2rhn7YF81rsntc8o1_1280.png
http://gyazo.com/a4e8a0b4be1ad82735396fe7c95667d1.png?1364181216


Surprise
http://24.media.tumblr.com/85ad62e6612148c0c29b7c2f75aeaaf8/tumblr_mf4nqtepAa1rli1a8o1_500.png
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&authuser=0&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=639&q=connor+kenway+emotions&oq=connor+kenway+emotions&gs_l=img.3...698.5205.0.5321.24.13.1.10.11.0.112.8 32.11j2.13.0...0.0...1ac.1.7.img.Y0aN71826Es#hl=en&safe=off&authuser=0&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=connor+kenway+tumblr+face&oq=connor+kenway+tumblr+face&gs_l=img.3...122831.123709.0.123865.6.6.0.0.0.0.53 .270.6.6.0...0.0...1c.1.7.img.AjHUX5s0mGM&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=4028c3f0c6b6343d&biw=1366&bih=639&imgrc=uMQFRQULAaq4IM%3A%3Ba9J_rlonKUdmHM%3Bhttp%3A %2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m9y4ecvsoj1qkvz kho1_500.png%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.tumblr.com%2Ftagge d%2Fyour face is beautiful%3B500%3B300

Smiling
http://24.media.tumblr.com/414a6394198f5e99f54edea33e599f39/tumblr_mhgmgbOZxN1qb26b4o1_250.gif

Sorrow
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdwfwsY7u61r7wdmp.png
http://25.media.tumblr.com/7b102a7f6fa195fb11232c04010626b0/tumblr_mjtd58eEPG1r082vzo1_500.gif

Contrast
http://media.tumblr.com/c0db82fe85a835b4e51a4222394b697f/tumblr_inline_mhyrgdN4kk1qz4rgp.jpg

Pity
http://media.tumblr.com/7792e85cfa258990ca116167299254f7/tumblr_inline_mjxwq5DwxI1qz4rgp.gif

Anger
http://24.media.tumblr.com/c764ca5f6c8519017178a7d0a00c6d8a/tumblr_mg0gw1TYeo1r5c64eo1_500.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdp6y27Dqz1rq6icwo3_250.gif
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maykso2KVv1qdusd1.gif

Badass
http://25.media.tumblr.com/dd56e464e86d603be3aca81d5c673cd5/tumblr_mj3n2g9KhL1r90ibto2_500.jpg

concern
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/square_small/0/5207/2311892-connor_face.png

Same happiness shot, but with changing emotions
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdidwr9KgR1rvm2d5.gif
I believe those`ll do....He had more than one moment of happiness, more than one moment of sorrow, more than one moment of anger, more than one moment of pity and no, he did not remain an errand boy for the entire game. You`re supposed to listen to your mentor, that`s an Assassin`s job. Altair did it, Ezio did it and Connor did it. Connor was only the Patriots` errand boy in sequence 6 and he grows out of that later...never doing anymore errands for the Patriots.

I`v been speaking English since I was 6 and I still find difficulty conveying my emotions properly while I`m speaking it...

Also, Connor was not speaking english in ToKW to his tribe, he`s till speaking Mohawk, much like how Ezio was speaking Italian throughout every game, but we hear him in English. The guys just chose to use english instead this time, because translating the Mohawk language takes a lot of time...

pirate1802
03-25-2013, 04:44 AM
Also add disgust/surprise when Putnam says he'll speak fondly of him at his funeral. He also mumbles something after Putnam leaves. Probably some insult in his native language xD

Also disgust/discomfort whenever any colonial touches him, like Revere does before the Midnight Ride.

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 04:53 AM
Also add disgust/surprise when Putnam says he'll speak fondly of him at his funeral. He also mumbles something after Putnam leaves. Probably some insult in his native language xD

Also disgust/discomfort whenever any colonial touches him, like Revere does before the Midnight Ride.
It`s just so mindboggling that with all of this, people still say he showed no emotion...there`s also disgust after he killed Hickey...that look was just priceless..

disgust
http://gyazo.com/d5a910055a7330c5229c6511be66861d.png?1364183692
http://gyazo.com/c32ce2208035f859b50c72945838e747.png?1364183862

pirate1802
03-25-2013, 05:00 AM
Because people are used to seeing overacting when it comes to videogame characters. Since the models couldn't mimic human facial expressions accurately, devs usually exaggerate the smiles other emotions (Ezio's face spanning "smile" from AC2 comes to mind.) But AC3 was superior in that department, almost like LA Noire. So there was no need to make the characters over-emote. But alas, the audience used to seeing exaggeration didn't catch it up.

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 05:06 AM
Because people are used to seeing overacting when it comes to videogame characters. Since the models couldn't mimic human facial expressions accurately, devs usually exaggerate the smiles other emotions (Ezio's face spanning "smile" from AC2 comes to mind.) But AC3 was superior in that department, almost like LA Noire. So there was no need to make the characters over-emote. But alas, the audience used to seeing exaggeration didn't catch it up.
no emotion ? here`s some torture pleasure
http://gyazo.com/387526bc4407c4fc13c66bf20735c2d7.png?1364184341

Anything else ? any suggestions ?

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 05:20 AM
no emotion ?
http://gyazo.com/d7b0f6eec52deeb6aaf755aed39287eb.png?1364184689

None at all ??
http://gyazo.com/80e31ceadee505de09fe43918f5ff280.png?1364184714

Sure ?
http://gyazo.com/6a4ee1b45415f1b8df6fddf1aff2d56f.png?1364185084

Positive ?
http://gyazo.com/4f161294ba48c661673a7730cc382385.png?1364185123

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 05:23 AM
SHAME DAMM IT...shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame
http://gyazo.com/c0dba90365e851fb39fa3495dae8425c.png?1364185357

LoyalACFan
03-25-2013, 05:24 AM
I would honestly love a multi-generational Assassin's Creed. We got a little taste of Haytham in AC3, but imagine playing as Edward, Haytham, and Connor over the span of a century in London... Holy crap. That would be incredible. And I even remember Corey hinting that he wanted to do an AC game featuring multiple ancestors from different time periods.

pirate1802
03-25-2013, 05:25 AM
Talking to himself again I see..

LoyalACFan
03-25-2013, 05:28 AM
I posted after reading only the first page... This thread got weird quickly.

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 05:29 AM
SHAME DAMM IT...shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame
http://gyazo.com/c0dba90365e851fb39fa3495dae8425c.png?1364185357
http://gyazo.com/8c3d2eb8fcff8c4178c146924e0d5b71.png

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 05:30 AM
Talking to himself again I see..
DON`T JUDGE ME !!

I OWN YOU ALLLLLl

VitaminsXYZ
03-25-2013, 05:57 AM
^Lol I knew you'd deliver.

Also, do you have a Connor-related picture saved for every situation? Or did you just go on a massive screenshot hunt? XD

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 06:04 AM
^Lol I knew you'd deliver.

Also, do you have a Connor-related picture saved for every situation? Or did you just go on a massive screenshot hunt? XD
Both actually...It had something to do with an argument I was having, same argument, with a someone at college, a girl who said the same thing and I went screen capping and hunting until she said "Maybe I have to play the game again" damm right, woman

So again, no emotions...yeah ****ing right

http://25.media.tumblr.com/4b63c0003612144a637cd552d7b4bd02/tumblr_midptn3kgn1r1veuho1_500.png

poptartz20
03-25-2013, 09:14 AM
Bwaha... That was a great M ! *High Five*

Also, I would think that even though Connor has known english since a young age I doubt he used it on a daily basis (since he did live in his tribe for and additional +10 years) it's going to be a little choppy and perhaps "robotic" sounding since he is Indian. It really does make sense if you put some logic too it. Granted I speak English fluently and comprehend some bits of french I would probably have the same issues.

Now, back to the actual topic at hand! Dear OP, I actually really like your idea! I would enjoy seeing something like this! Honestly though I could see them expanding the story of Haytham into a PS VITA title like they did with liberation. I'm not sure if something like that they would make into a main title. Also, if your idea wasn't to make it into a game I would love to see something like this play out with maybe an embers type movie?

pirate1802
03-25-2013, 09:30 AM
Connor.. kinda.. looks like a woman in the 5th pic :O

roostersrule2
03-25-2013, 09:32 AM
Connor.. kinda.. looks like a woman in the 5th pic :O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ZTAY4umiU

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 09:33 AM
Connor.. kinda.. looks like a woman in the 5th pic :O
Woman emotion ? Ezio couldn't do that..see ?? see ?

pirate1802
03-25-2013, 09:34 AM
Woman emotion ? Ezio couldn't do that..see ?? see ?

Not emotions, the face, eyebrows.. I'll try to unsee what I've seen, for the sake of my mental peace.

Assassin_M
03-25-2013, 09:37 AM
Not emotions, the face, eyebrows.. I'll try to unsee what I've seen, for the sake of my mental peace.
It still counts

pirate1802
03-25-2013, 12:03 PM
It still counts

Never said it doesn't.

silvermercy
03-25-2013, 12:13 PM
I'd love to see a multi-Kenway game!! (heh, I made it sound like a kitchen appliance...)

And Connor shows no emotion!? Don't make me unleash Grumpy cat on you!!

ZeldaEmblem
03-25-2013, 12:14 PM
@ Assassin_M: you forgot 'sexiness' :rolleyes:

Bonus:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/10d7816b7776f421ad62c7c4bc2a597b/tumblr_mk6u4ofr2u1qc1xe0o2_250.gif

http://24.media.tumblr.com/9e973b6814a14b2b3748d6d03fd089d3/tumblr_mk5mugiPjN1rk08zlo1_500.gif

annoyed :
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdxclsbHql1r37qm7.gif

saddest Connor face I've ever seen :
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz185/RidellCrimea/tumblr_mk493ihaRX1rnr7vso2_250_zps8a1eaa17.gif

Sushiglutton
03-25-2013, 12:17 PM
Both actually...It had something to do with an argument I was having, same argument, with a someone at college, a girl who said the same thing and I went screen capping and hunting until she said "Maybe I have to play the game again" damm right, woman

So again, no emotions...yeah ****ing right

http://25.media.tumblr.com/4b63c0003612144a637cd552d7b4bd02/tumblr_midptn3kgn1r1veuho1_500.png


Here is his voice in those eight scenes:

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____________________________._____________________ ___
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______________________________________.._.________ ________

silvermercy
03-25-2013, 12:22 PM
@ Assassin_M: you forgot 'sexiness' :rolleyes:
So tempted to post my full folder of saved Tumblr images. But I will resist.

And the fangirl posts about his "sexeh" voice... lol

I personally thought his voice had more emotion than Ezio's and especially Altair's. A lot of thought went into that. Don't forget the way Native Americans warriors spoke back then.

Aphex_Tim
03-25-2013, 12:26 PM
So this is now the tumblr thread 2.0?

silvermercy
03-25-2013, 12:31 PM
So this is now the tumblr thread 2.0?
"Connor's Emotions Proof Thread" [Number Unknown]

Locopells
03-25-2013, 02:19 PM
Interesting idea but if Ubisoft follows their own previous history then AC V will have a totally new assassin.

I think that's why ACIV has the subtitle - it's a new ancestor, but not that far removed from the previous one. Makes me wonder if we're gonna have more IVs, each looking at a different Kenway (Kinda in the same way PotC had a subtitle from the very first one).


I would honestly love a multi-generational Assassin's Creed. We got a little taste of Haytham in AC3, but imagine playing as Edward, Haytham, and Connor over the span of a century in London... Holy crap. That would be incredible. And I even remember Corey hinting that he wanted to do an AC game featuring multiple ancestors from different time periods.

Would love that - to have the main city change significantly, to show the passing time (like the promised with the Great Fires of New York) would be so cool.


Also, Connor was not speaking english in ToKW to his tribe, he`s till speaking Mohawk, much like how Ezio was speaking Italian throughout every game, but we hear him in English. The guys just chose to use english instead this time, because translating the Mohawk language takes a lot of time...

It also seems to take a long time to say anything in Mohawk as well, and I guess they didn't want to bulk up the cutscenes that much, seeing as it's the main language of episode one.

Bullet747
03-25-2013, 03:15 PM
I can dig it. :)

FirestarLuva
03-26-2013, 12:57 AM
Both actually...It had something to do with an argument I was having, same argument, with a someone at college, a girl who said the same thing and I went screen capping and hunting until she said "Maybe I have to play the game again" damm right, woman

So again, no emotions...yeah ****ing right

http://25.media.tumblr.com/4b63c0003612144a637cd552d7b4bd02/tumblr_midptn3kgn1r1veuho1_500.png

I can back you up with a few more...

http://i48.tinypic.com/250th94.png
http://i46.tinypic.com/25qyv6a.png
http://i45.tinypic.com/23vci7q.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/34dps1h.png
(Did anyone notice he actually has tears in his eyes?)
http://i49.tinypic.com/2uf908z.jpg
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http://i45.tinypic.com/2uokoeu.png
http://i50.tinypic.com/34sil8l.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/24zds7r.png
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HE'S DEPRESSED DURING THE WHOLE OF TOKW, JUST LOOK AT HIM.
Honestly, this Connor has no emotions argument is really getting old...starting to think Ezio fans are over-reacting. I don't think they know what an emotionless character even is. In my opinion, Connor had more emotions than Altair and Ezio combined, sure most of them were half smiles or very subtle, but he had them, and they were very realistic if you ask me.

Assassin_M
03-26-2013, 01:01 AM
Here is his voice in those eight scenes:
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____________________________._____________________ ___
________________________________,.________________ ____
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______________________________________.._.________ ________

I never said otherwise...

AvK KiNgKoBrA
03-26-2013, 01:10 AM
Back to europe again? Good cause 17th century America was jus to boring for me. There was nothin to do but the main missions.

Also wat ever happened to the Russian Assassin??

I-Like-Pie45
03-26-2013, 01:11 AM
I love you mummy...
http://25.media.tumblr.com/567f6f9ef76734f57a7bc9c93ef36696/tumblr_mi6iehgT6D1rltwroo1_500.png

Assassin_M
03-26-2013, 01:13 AM
There was nothin to do but the main missions.
LoL

I-Like-Pie45
03-26-2013, 01:14 AM
Back to europe again? Good cause 17th century America was jus to boring for me. There was nothin to do but the main missions.

Also wat ever happened to the Russian Assassin??
He died.
http://images.wikia.com/assassinscreed/images/9/92/ACTC-Nikolaishot.png

Will_Lucky
03-26-2013, 01:55 AM
Still hoping Connor dies a couple of years after the end of AC3.

Assassin_M
03-26-2013, 01:56 AM
Still hoping Connor dies a couple of years after the end of AC3.
Kay

Abeonis
03-26-2013, 02:11 AM
Still hoping Connor dies a couple of years after the end of AC3.

I can assure you 100%, Ratonhnhaké:ton does indeed die after the events of AC3.

That said, I am also finding the argument that Raton has no emotions both taxing, and fundamentally wrong. He comes from a culture that respects life in all forms (e.g. only killing what they need to eat, always addressing individuals as 'Mr', or 'Sir', etc.) The fact that he didn't live to pampered and pleasured life of Ezio does not mean he is any less complicated, or devoid of feeling. If anything, I think the conflict Raton must feel throughout the events of AC3 - trying to keep his people safe whilst integrating with an alien world - are far more compelling than Ezio's simple 'Revenge. Kill. Stab.' ethos.

lukash_1337
04-02-2013, 03:31 AM
Connor is a fantastic and vivid character. He is believable and emotional. Anyone denying that is one of those people described as a 'mass audience'. Exaggerated emotions, loud personality, obnoxiously overconfident, often rude without reason and trying to get laid every time there is a female in the area. This are the 'qualities' that the youth admires nowadays. We see it in American movies, especially. There is no honor, no heroism, no courtesy, no respect and no shame in these people. The only way to reach them is through the mass product created to suit the needs of the mass audience.
Well guess what? AC3 goes deeper than that and this is the reason why players do not understand the new protagonist. As a result, they don't like him. Connor was a GREAT character in every way possible. But coming to such conclusion required from you to stop and think some things through. In order to try to understand his sense of what is right and what is wrong, one first had to understand what he's been struggling with. And in order to do that you need to
1) take your time through the game instead of just rushing through it,
2) be at least a bit emotional yourself, with some empathy that allows you to understand that there is no absolute truth in anyone's judgment.

TRUKITTN
04-02-2013, 04:49 AM
Dios Mio. The Connor feels in this thread... the images... *fans self* I absolutely love him, but at the same time I don't want to play him in anymore games cause I don't want to witness him dying or anything like that. I have this kinda "Quit while you're ahead." sort of feeling about it, especially after the events of Revelations. There is too much of a good thing, and I'm the sort of girl who doesn't even let her Sims grow old and die.

Also, for the record, I don't usually debate things that are a matter of opinions, but anyone who thinks Connor is emotionless and dull is just plain wrong! So they can sit there in their wrongness and be wrong. :mad:

Assassin_M
04-02-2013, 04:53 AM
Dios Mio. The Connor feels in this thread... the images... *fans self* I absolutely love him, but at the same time I don't want to play him in anymore games cause I don't want to witness him dying or anything like that. I have this kinda "Quit while you're ahead." sort of feeling about it, especially after the events of Revelations. There is too much of a good thing, and I'm the sort of girl who doesn't even let her Sims grow old and die.

Also, for the record, I don't usually debate things that are a matter of opinions, but anyone who thinks Connor is emotionless and dull is just plain wrong! So they can sit there in their wrongness and be wrong. :mad:
I`m here to own them :|

Which makes me more of a no life, but what the heck

joey-4321_web
04-02-2013, 05:34 AM
What the ****?
How did I miss torture pleasure TWICE?

MasterAssasin84
04-02-2013, 11:07 AM
Connor and London....that would be a dream come trueI cannot see any reason why they cant because i feel the novel has left an open door for him to return because if you read the Epilogue Connor Returns to the brotherhood and states its time for new blood which IMO he is looking to inject a new lease of life into the brotherhood ! i mean why cant he not go back to discover the Kenways history with the Assassins and Templars...A Spin off - Assassins Creed Origins ! - Connor travels to Europe to build the brotherhood and discover the Kenway family Legacy , his travels take him through London and Paris ? from which he gets caught in the deadly battle between the Assassins and Templars and the Marquis of Lafayette is Connors Link and support as Davinci was to Ezio .What do you think..And the Title Assassins Creed Origins - The deadly and brutal History of the Kenway Family.

@Abeonis there is no proof that Connor dies after AC3 thats just pure speculation.

pirate1802
04-02-2013, 11:15 AM
@Abeonis there is no proof that Connor dies after AC3 thats just pure speculation.

You mean Connor is still alive in 2013? :O

roostersrule2
04-02-2013, 11:20 AM
You mean Connor is still alive in 2013? :OYep, he goes under the alias Barack Obama.

Assassin_M
04-02-2013, 11:22 AM
Yep, he goes under the alias Barack Obama.
Noah Watts....where the hell is your brain ???

roostersrule2
04-02-2013, 11:25 AM
Noah Watts....where the hell is your brain ???No Noah Watts represents the Connor from the American Revolution, the real Connor is Barack Obama.

MasterAssasin84
04-02-2013, 11:29 AM
You mean Connor is still alive in 2013? :O


I was talking after the events of AC3 my god lol !!

Assassin_M
04-02-2013, 11:32 AM
I was talking after the events of AC3 my god lol !!
but...but...he is dead after the events of AC III D:

I`m 100% certain I swear

MasterAssasin84
04-02-2013, 11:34 AM
but...but...he is dead after the events of AC III D:

I`m 100% certain I swear

In the Novel it says he returns to the brotherhood ..... and ubi have not confirmed he is dead after the events of AC3.

The quote below is from the Novel it explains that Connor knows his Journey is far from over.


"I realize now that it will take time, that the road ahead is long and shrouded in darkness. It is a road that will not always take me where I wish to go - and I doubt I will live to see it end. But I will travel down it nonetheless." ―Ratonhnhaké:ton.[src] (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Assassin%27s_Creed:_Forsaken)


Ratonhnhaké:ton



http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121219152353/assassinscreed/images/thumb/e/e7/ACAnniversary-Connor_Render.png/250px-ACAnniversary-Connor_Render.png (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121219152353/assassinscreed/images/e/e7/ACAnniversary-Connor_Render.png)



Biographical information



Born

1756
Kanatahséton (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Kanatahs%C3%A9ton), Mohawk Valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohawk_Valley)



Political information



Affiliations

Kanien'kehá:ka (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Kanien%27keh%C3%A1:ka)
Assassins (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Assassins)
Continental Army (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Continental_Army)



Real-world information



Appears in

Assassin's Creed III (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Assassin%27s_Creed_III)
Assassin's Creed: Forsaken (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Assassin%27s_Creed:_Forsaken)
Assassin's Creed III: Liberation (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Assassin%27s_Creed_III:_Liberation)



Voice actor

Noah Watts (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Noah_Watts)



Ratonhnhaké:ton (1756 - unknown), often known by the adopted name of Connor, was a Native American Assassin (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Assassins) of the Kanien'kehá:ka (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Kanien%27keh%C3%A1:ka) during the time of the American Revolutionary War (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War). He was an ancestor of Desmond Miles (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Desmond_Miles).
Ratonhnhaké:ton was born to the Templar (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Templars) Haytham Kenway (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Haytham_Kenway) and Kaniehtí:io (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Kanieht%C3%AD:io), a Native American woman of the Kanien'kehá:ka village in Kanatahséton (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Kanatahs%C3%A9ton). In 1760, while he was still a young child, he watched as his village burned down and his mother died. Nine years later, he went on a journey to join the Assassin Order.
Charging the Templars with the destruction of his village and death of his mother, Connor pursued them in an attempt to exact retribution by assassinating Charles Lee (http://forums.ubi.com/wiki/Charles_Lee)

pirate1802
04-02-2013, 11:39 AM
I was talking after the events of AC3 my god lol !!

So was I. 2013 comes after the events of AC III I suppose? :)

MasterAssasin84
04-02-2013, 11:43 AM
So was I. 2013 comes after the events of AC III I suppose? :)

I dont know wether we are crossed wires here but i was talking about Connors say 5 years after the Revolutionary war not fast forward in time to the present. :)

pirate1802
04-02-2013, 11:47 AM
I dont know wether we are crossed wires here but i was talking about Connors say 5 years after the Revolutionary war not fast forward in time to the present. :)

Just pulling yo legs. Couldn't resist xD

MasterAssasin84
04-02-2013, 11:49 AM
Just pulling yo legs. Couldn't resist xD

Please do not pull my legs to hard lool !!:D but what did you think of my Suggestions Assassins Creed Origins i have started a thread with my idea .

DeathMonkeyN
04-02-2013, 10:13 PM
Hey everyone Please Give my Playthrough of AC3: Tyranny of King Washington a View, Like, and a Favourite Please! and SUBSCRIBE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC-Kenh8Bak&list=PLWnx56tND3J7L3IkIeZt5CjRQFcb0Ed0e

Assassin_M
04-02-2013, 10:14 PM
Hey everyone Please Give my Playthrough of AC3: Tyranny of King Washington a View, Like, and a Favourite Please! and SUBSCRIBE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC-Kenh8Bak&list=PLWnx56tND3J7L3IkIeZt5CjRQFcb0Ed0e
waaaaay off topic

MasterAssasin84
04-02-2013, 10:30 PM
waaaaay off topic

He is so desperate for people to see his playthrough he has taken posting the same message in nearly every thread in the Forum

kesh_362
04-03-2013, 01:14 AM
Maybe if there is a Connor game in the French Revolution we'll get London and Paris as the main locations? And Connor going to London to find more about the Kenways, maybe some sort of secret/journal left by Edward or Haytham seems possible and the French Revolution somehow being tied into this would be great. Don't know what location would be a Frontier though....

There is plenty of woodland in England and areas surrounding London at the time. Granted it isn't as expansive as the American frontier, there are no mountains and there are no predators. Quick time event with a badger maybe?

ajl992008
04-08-2013, 01:47 PM
ok well this went off topic..... I'm a huge connor fan, but enough already, the guy has emotion and those who say he doesn't are simply blind to whats on screen but back on topic now, I'm surprised that so many people liked the idea, it would be a great way to go to london and also conclude the kenway family saga before moving on to another bloodline and hopefully another present day character.

Jack_Pirate
04-08-2013, 06:19 PM
ok so I haven't done much research into this so you guys can help out with the specifics but I think I know a good way for connor to return in the next game after ac4. ok SPOILERS we all know that edward dies in london when his house was stormed by templars END SPOILERS, now the interesting thing is that they take his journal, now what was inside that journal we also know that haytham was in the house as well. here is my idea, the next ac after ac4 (lets just call it ac 2014) could feature all 3 characters of edward, haytham and connor. we could begin by seeing edwards memories in London up until the conception of haytham, after this we will view haythams memories to get more back story for him and play the game up until his departure to america. we then move on to see connor's memories as he goes to london to find out more on the kenway family, he could meet jenny in her old age as we don't know when jenny died, the story for connor could revolve around finding the journal as it would have information on edwards life but Edward may have left a secret in there which is vital to something in the present day, maybe a message or map to another artifact. the game could be mainly based in london which is something fans have been wanting for a long time but then we could have other locations, this could show the conclusion of connors and edwards story (SPOILERSas we can see edwards death through haythams eyes END SPOILERS) and physically see the back story of haytham as that would be more satisfying then getting this back story from a book, this also does another thing fans have wanted, multiple ancestors in one game which would be interesting, this could give a fitting conclusion to the kenway family saga and in turn leave the door open for new ancestors afterward. what do you guy think of the idea?

HAHA best way to start off a thread "Ok so i havent done much research"

ajl992008
04-08-2013, 06:29 PM
HAHA best way to start off a thread "Ok so i havent done much research"

well by the looks of it its a successful thread.

d4st4n96
04-08-2013, 08:43 PM
well by the looks of it its a successful thread.
if you have 9 pages on your thread that doesn't means it's ''successful''
A successful thread means where you could/can help other players understand some things, help them about a problem (ingame or off.) and evolving with the community itself, not only the thread :D
But I am greatful to see a fan like you that even reads the novels (shame on me, I didn't [only a bit of Forsaken])

ajl992008
04-08-2013, 09:21 PM
if you have 9 pages on your thread that doesn't means it's ''successful''
A successful thread means where you could/can help other players understand some things, help them about a problem (ingame or off.) and evolving with the community itself, not only the thread :D
But I am greatful to see a fan like you that even reads the novels (shame on me, I didn't [only a bit of Forsaken])

guess you have a point, you can argue thread was half successful as people did discuss the matter but went off topic with whether connor had emotion or not, I didn't read the novels actually but I did go read up the events that occurs in all of them through the ac wiki and by reading posts on here, I do want to read the secret crusade though because altair was the least developed in the games so would be great for me to see further development for him.

d4st4n96
04-08-2013, 09:44 PM
guess you have a point, you can argue thread was half successful as people did discuss the matter but went off topic with whether connor had emotion or not, I didn't read the novels actually but I did go read up the events that occurs in all of them through the ac wiki and by reading posts on here, I do want to read the secret crusade though because altair was the least developed in the games so would be great for me to see further development for him.
I agree here, half of this thread was a success and yeah Altair was the first (and for ones) the best assassin

ajl992008
04-08-2013, 10:23 PM
I guess we just won't know if a connor game will be possible until we play black flags, I have a feeling connor will be linked to the game, I mean they wouldn't continue the "kenway family saga" if connor wasn't somewhat involved, i mean why not just create a new assassin with a new lineage? since they are continuing with the kenways there HAS to be a link, if there isn't it will leave me thinking "whats the point?".

TheHumanTowel
04-08-2013, 10:27 PM
I guess we just won't know if a connor game will be possible until we play black flags, I have a feeling connor will be linked to the game, I mean they wouldn't continue the "kenway family saga" if connor wasn't somewhat involved, i mean why not just create a new assassin with a new lineage? since they are continuing with the kenways there HAS to be a link, if there isn't it will leave me thinking "whats the point?".
I would think the link is that Edward is Connor's grandfather. It's difficult to see how Connor could be involved or how anything could be related to him because the game takes place long before he was born.

Assassin_M
04-08-2013, 10:30 PM
I would think the link is that Edward is Connor's grandfather. It's difficult to see how Connor could be involved or how anything could be related to him because the game takes place long before he was born.
Altair and Ezio were almost 300 years apart and they weren't related, yet both lives were intertwined and linked

ajl992008
04-08-2013, 10:46 PM
Altair and Ezio were almost 300 years apart and they weren't related, yet both lives were intertwined and linked

was just about to say this, in the same notion, ezio lived before desmond but their lives were linked also. what im getting at is why have us play as connor's grandfather? whats the significance? why not just have us play as another character from a separate bloodline? there has to be some significance to this, I will enjoy black flag even if connor isn't involved but COME ON, I will be dissapointed if there is no link whatsoever, I would rather have another connor game in that case if there do link.

TheHumanTowel
04-08-2013, 10:58 PM
Altair and Ezio were almost 300 years apart and they weren't related, yet both lives were intertwined and linked
Difference being we were playing as Ezio in that situation looking back at Altair. It's a lot easier to see important links when you're the further point in the timeline. You can plot the story around that. It'd be very difficult to have Connor be relevant to the plot when he doesn't exist yet. At best we might see a young Achilles or Faulkner or maybe a bit of Captain Kidd as "links" to Connor but it's not going to be anything significant. I'm not quite sure what you want ajl. Do you want Connor to show up in the flesh?

Assassin_M
04-08-2013, 11:01 PM
Difference being we were playing as Ezio in that situation looking back at Altair. It's a lot easier to see important links when you're the further point in the timeline. You can plot the story around that. It'd be very difficult to have Connor be relevant to the plot when he doesn't exist yet. At best we might see a young Achilles or Faulkner or maybe a bit of Captain Kidd as "links" to Connor but it's not going to be anything significant. I'm not quite sure what you want ajl. Do you want Connor to show up in the flesh?
I don't think he wants Connor to show up in the flesh, nor I for that matter that`d be silly...just something that is relevant to Connor`s story. I dunno..Connor`s blades belonged to Edward for example, I know they probably weren't Edward`s but I was giving an example as to how Edward can be connected to Connor`s story

ajl992008
04-08-2013, 11:07 PM
I don't think he wants Connor to show up in the flesh, nor I for that matter that`d be silly...just something that is relevant to Connor`s story. I dunno..Connor`s blades belonged to Edward for example, I know they probably weren't Edward`s but I was giving an example as to how Edward can be connected to Connor`s story

thank you for getting it. i don't mean a physical link between the two but maybe for example whatever POE/TWCB related aspect of the game occurs could be linked to them both, maybe edward hides an artifact and connor finds it at the end, or maybe edward sees a message form TWCB by means of a seal and hides it which connor finds later, something along those lines, thats why i'm saying its hard to determine what kind of link is possible because we know nothing of ac4's story, both as edward and in the present.

TheHumanTowel
04-08-2013, 11:10 PM
Ah I think I see what you mean now.

ajl992008
04-08-2013, 11:45 PM
Ah I think I see what you mean now.

lol, maybe I didn't explain it properly, it would be so cool to have that kind of link in the story, better yet if both characters touch a piece of eden and are transported to the nexus of time and talk, now that would be awesome, i was hoping they would do something like that in acr where desmond ezio and altair would meet in the nexus but they didn't maybe they can do it here.

Auditore8
04-09-2013, 03:16 AM
I don't think he wants Connor to show up in the flesh, nor I for that matter that`d be silly...just something that is relevant to Connor`s story. I dunno..Connor`s blades belonged to Edward for example, I know they probably weren't Edward`s but I was giving an example as to how Edward can be connected to Connor`s story

That's actually a cool idea. After all, the description for the Assassin Tomahawk in ACIII said it belonged to the first Assassin in the Colonies. Perhaps the Tomahawk itself could make an appear, I think that'd be enough of a notion to Connor.

Bastiaen
04-09-2013, 07:34 PM
M, you're a rockstar for putting together all those pictures. I hate hearing that he's flat, or has no emotion.

creed-sky
04-15-2013, 03:13 PM
it's a great idea, and i would most definitly play it, but the idea of multiple ancestors in a single game would crowd it. you'd be playing as Haythem while your thinking of playing as edward, and you'd wonder when conner would show up, and if he would even appear in London, or if the game jumps foward from conners present and he himself go into an animus like coma and lives edwards life. sorry, im just starting to ramble now. its a good idea, enough said.

ajl992008
04-15-2013, 03:23 PM
it's a great idea, and i would most definitly play it, but the idea of multiple ancestors in a single game would crowd it. you'd be playing as Haythem while your thinking of playing as edward, and you'd wonder when conner would show up, and if he would even appear in London, or if the game jumps foward from conners present and he himself go into an animus like coma and lives edwards life. sorry, im just starting to ramble now. its a good idea, enough said.

see it this way:

you don't get to choose when you play each character and there is no direct link between them like there was between ezio and altair in acr (where ezio was viewing altairs memories), start like this, you play 5 sequences as edward in london, at the end he has haytham, animus fast forwards, you play as haytham as a child to young man up until he leaves for america (start of ac3), then the animus fasts forward to connors time where we play 5 sequences with him say searching for edwards journal, they don't need to be directly seeing each other or related but go one after another in sequence and so we can see connor and edwards end and see the origins of haytham resulting in the rounding off and completion of the kenway family saga.

pacmanate
04-15-2013, 03:27 PM
see it this way:

you don't get to choose when you play each character and there is no direct link between them like there was between ezio and altair in acr (where ezio was viewing altairs memories), start like this, you play 5 sequences as edward in london, at the end he has haytham, animus fast forwards, you play as haytham as a child to young man up until he leaves for america (start of ac3), then the animus fasts forward to connors time where we play 5 sequences with him say searching for edwards journal, they don't need to be directly seeing each other or related but go one after another in sequence and so we can see connor and edwards end and see the origins of haytham resulting in the rounding off and completion of the kenway family saga.

i wouldn't like that :\ It would restrict location/side quests etc.

silvermercy
04-15-2013, 03:29 PM
I don't think the Kenway saga could conclude in AC4 only. They'll need at least another game for that to happen.

pacmanate
04-15-2013, 03:38 PM
I don't think the Kenway saga could conclude in AC4 only. They'll need at least another game for that to happen.

How so?

ajl992008
04-15-2013, 03:41 PM
i wouldn't like that :\ It would restrict location/side quests etc.

not really, it will give them the scope to diversify the location with different side missions for each of them, as for collectibles they can have specific collectibles per character, e.g. edward = trinkets, haytham = flags, connor = feathers. edward could have faction missions, haytham could have templar contracts and connor could have liberation missions, this gives them the opportunity to change london as a location for each character and make the player feel like they actually have 3 games in 1.

ajl992008
04-15-2013, 03:43 PM
I don't think the Kenway saga could conclude in AC4 only. They'll need at least another game for that to happen.

I fully agree, it also feels less repetitive in comparison to the ezio trilogy as your dealing with multiple characters making it feel a bit more fresh than dealing with the same character again and again.

ACfan443
04-15-2013, 03:44 PM
How so?

It's hardly worthy of being called a 'saga' if it ends after only two characters..

ajl992008
04-15-2013, 03:45 PM
It's hardly worthy of being called a 'saga' if it ends after only two characters..

there are 3 characters

ACfan443
04-15-2013, 03:49 PM
there are 3 characters

Only two are featured as main protagonists in full games. That's hardly a saga.

ajl992008
04-15-2013, 03:53 PM
Only two are featured as main protagonists in full games. That's hardly a saga.

but haytham did have a large role in AC3, he didn't need to be the main protagonist for this to be officially called a 'saga', 3 characters is a saga, but who knows what happens in ac4, for all we know all 3 of them feature in some way or only edward features, I think we will know what will happen with the kenways after ac4, but I swear if there isn't another kenway game after this I will be annoyed because they will have left so many questions unanswered about all 3 characters. even if we haven't played ac4, its clear they will need to do another kenway game after this.