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theknightsofni
06-18-2004, 05:40 AM
I'm thinking of getting a friend of mine to help build a PC for goin off to uni but I'd liek ti to be able to run AEP on perfect mode with nice framerates.

What sort of spec will I need? currently thinking of 9800 pro for graphics and some AMD processor but not sure what speed. I'm in the UK so also wondering where to buy and what this rig will cost me, is ebuyer the best site to get stuff from?

theknightsofni
06-18-2004, 05:40 AM
I'm thinking of getting a friend of mine to help build a PC for goin off to uni but I'd liek ti to be able to run AEP on perfect mode with nice framerates.

What sort of spec will I need? currently thinking of 9800 pro for graphics and some AMD processor but not sure what speed. I'm in the UK so also wondering where to buy and what this rig will cost me, is ebuyer the best site to get stuff from?

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-18-2004, 05:46 AM
Something in the 3Ghz range for Intel or 3000+ for AMD, 1 gig RAM and I'd hold out for the 6800 series vid cards or opt for the X800 from ATI for perfect to run smoothly.

These recommendations are given the fact you specified the desire to run "perfect" smoothly. (please don't post how you are currently running on a 2Ghz machine with a 9000Pro in perfect...)

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Jippo01
06-18-2004, 06:03 AM
Why not? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In my machine it is almost stutter free with XP2400, 1Mb 266 DDr, and 9800 128Mb. I'd say that a XP3000 instead the 2400 would be enough to get it smooth, as it is very close (had think for few days before choosing excellent).

But definately 9800 is enough.


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ASM 1
06-18-2004, 06:24 AM
knights

what's your budget for all of this ?


just that there are some very good deals around for alreadty built PC's in the uk at the mo....

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Buster82
06-18-2004, 06:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
In my machine it is almost stutter free with 1Mb 266 DDr.

-jippo<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really???? just 1 mb of ram memory? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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theknightsofni
06-18-2004, 06:30 AM
currently i'm on a 1ghz with S3 virge graphics card! (geforce 4 died)

budget i'm aiming for is about ‚£1000 or so ideally good value for money, could stretch to ‚£1500 at a push

also whats needed to run lo-mac looking quite nice?

a friend recommended the XP 2800 processor, will it be enough?

RocketDog
06-18-2004, 06:48 AM
Any CPU equivalent to 2.6 GHz P4 or faster should be fine with either FB or Lock On. I'd definitely go for an X800 graphics card though - they are about to arrive in the UK and are listed at about the same price as the 9800 series they will replace.

www.dabs.com (http://www.dabs.com) is listing the the X800pro from ‚£284 inc VAT, and the more desirable X800XT for ‚£338 inc VAT. For the cost and performance difference the XT looks a good buy.

Unfortunately, both are listed as due in stock in 1-2 weeks. I have an X800XT on order.

Regards,

RocketDog.

ASM 1
06-18-2004, 06:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by theknightsofni:
currently i'm on a 1ghz with S3 virge graphics card! (geforce 4 died)

budget i'm aiming for is about ‚£1000 or so ideally good value for money, could stretch to ‚£1500 at a push

also whats needed to run lo-mac looking quite nice?

a friend recommended the XP 2800 processor, will it be enough?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Knights

I just specced a pc from mesh compuiters for a friends mother at about ‚£1200.

She got Everything! P4 3.4 1gig ram 160GB HD DVD Writer etc etc.....

specced her machine with a 256MB FX 5700 - she doesn't play games so it didnt really matter.... its an idea anyways.

http://www.meshcomputers.com/updated/index.htm

go to the "business user" section on the left side and click on build your own - have a play here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also in the Gamer/power user section they have a BTO option as well....

Friend's mum has since got said machine - cant wait to put FB on it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif it REALLY shifts, and is good build quality too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

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Huxley_S
06-18-2004, 06:56 AM
If you really want to future-proof yourself go for one of the new AMD Athlon 64 babies.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/amd_64_bit.html

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theknightsofni
06-18-2004, 07:00 AM
my current PC is a mesh and its served me pretty well, but would it be cheaper to have a friend build it tho? i'm hoping to get a PC that will last me thru uni though, i'm wondering do any sites give a student discount?

not sure about those 64 processors as i was told theres no good OS for them

WOLFMondo
06-18-2004, 07:02 AM
You could build a PC on ‚£600 that could run Il2:FB in perfect mode. You don't need to spend ‚£1000's. Running in perfect mode is also about your software setup and getting that correct. You could have the most expensive PC going and still get 1fps if your setup is not right.

However theres future proofing and I'd go with and AMD 3200 64bit chip, 1GB of DDR (which ever is the fastest at the time of purchase but make sure the CAS latency is low. 2 is good. Twinmoss is good, as is OCZ and Corsair) and a X800XT running WinXP pro. Get a nice Creative Audigy or something for the sound as well and get a 3Com network card. Using Mobo onboard sound and networking takes cycles away from the CPU which impares performance.

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ASM 1
06-18-2004, 07:08 AM
ok here's an intel based machine from mesh:

Elite A800 Power BTO (0704)
(Base Price: ‚£ 399 ex VAT)
Case: Upgrade to MESH ATX MidiTower +360W PSU with tool free access at ‚£20
Operating System: Microsoft‚ģ Windows‚ģ XP Home Edition
Motherboard: ASUS P4P800 - FSB 800 with 10/100/1000 Ethernet LAN
Motherboard Features: Please click 'More Info' button for details.
Processor: Upgrade to Intel ‚ģ Pentium ‚ģ 4 - 3.4GHz with Hyper Threading Technology at ‚£200
Memory: Upgrade to 1024Mb PC3200 DDR (400MHz) at ‚£150
Floppy + Portable Storage Options: 1.44MB Floppy Drive at ‚£10
Hard Drives: Upgrade to 160GB Serial ATA (150Mb/s) Ultra Fast Hard Drive at ‚£20
Video Card: Upgrade to 256MB ATI Radeon X800 Pro - TV Out + DVI at ‚£255
Optical Drives: Upgrade to 16x DVD-ROM + 52x24x52 CD-RW (2 Drives) at ‚£20
Sound: Soundblaster compatible multi channel audio
Modem: 56kbps V92 Modem, featuring data and fax.
Keyboard & Mouse: Logitech Internet Keyboard & Optical Mouse (Black)
Warranty: 3 Years - Parts & Labour - Back-to-Base Warranty (Mainland UK only - Terms Apply)
Delivery: Insured Del within Mainland UK (+ ‚£39) at ‚£39
Price Excluding VAT: ‚£ 1113
Price Including VAT + DEL: ‚£ 1307.78

S!

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Inadaze
06-18-2004, 07:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by theknightsofni:
currently i'm on a 1ghz with S3 virge graphics card! (geforce 4 died)

budget i'm aiming for is about ‚£1000 or so ideally good value for money, could stretch to ‚£1500 at a push

also whats needed to run lo-mac looking quite nice?

a friend recommended the XP 2800 processor, will it be enough?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get as fast as you can afford. You should end up with a sweet sytem for a grand, especially now that graphics cards have been taking a price drop.

Try to get a 400fsb processor if you go for AMD, the newer 64 bit processors are around the same price as a fast barton so they could be worth a look too.

Get the fastest memory you can, if possible two sticks set to run in dual mode. (It makes a decent frame rate increase)

Hope yopu get a good un http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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Huxley_S
06-18-2004, 07:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Sound: Soundblaster compatible multi channel audio
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm.... Soundblaster Audigy 2 or equivelent is required for best framerates and performance... onboard sound can be dodgy.

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ASM 1
06-18-2004, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huxley_S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Sound: Soundblaster compatible multi channel audio
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm.... Soundblaster Audigy 2 or equivelent is required for best framerates and performance... onboard sound can be dodgy.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif missed that - mesh offer a Audigy 2 ZS for ‚£35 and the ZS platinum for ‚£75 as options

BTW - I don't work for mesh, I just think they make good kit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Andrew

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ASM 1
06-18-2004, 07:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by theknightsofni:
my current PC is a mesh and its served me pretty well, but would it be cheaper to have a friend build it tho? i'm hoping to get a PC that will last me thru uni though, i'm wondering do any sites give a student discount?

not sure about those 64 processors as i was told theres no good OS for them<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its up to you - as RD says "
www.dabs.com (http://www.dabs.com) is listing the the X800pro from ‚£284 inc VAT, and the more desirable X800XT for ‚£338 inc VAT. For the cost and performance difference the XT looks a good buy. "

which is fair enough, XT's are bound to be expensive at the moment but when you consider that mesh will a pro in the box for ‚£255 ... hmm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

could be false economy of course - as I said, its up to you.

S!

Andrew

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hughlb2
06-18-2004, 07:36 AM
just while this thread is hot,



I have WinXP home. Is there any difference in terms of gaming performance between home and pro?

FritzFrotz
06-18-2004, 07:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
not sure about those 64 processors as i was told theres no good OS for them<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Windows XP is a good gaming OS for Athlon64. the 64-bit part in the processor is only an extra at the moment and perhaps a good thing if you want it to be future-proof (which no computer system really is). The latest Athlon64 CPUs are fast and expensive. If you want to run LOMAC and bigger Il-2 missions you‚¬īre going to need LOTS of CPU power. I suggest you really think about what you want to do with the computer and how much you‚¬īre willing to pay. The fastest CPUs in the market are usually far to expensive, but for your needs I suggest you start looking at the top end of AMD and Intel CPU lineups. There are lots of CPU tests available at anandtech, firignsquad and tomshardware for example. Firingsquad tests Sturmovik and LOMAC.

ASM 1
06-18-2004, 08:13 AM
no perceptible difference between home and pro for games (I got pro)

There is however a 64 bit version of XP for the aforementioned 64 bit processors (I think)
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.mspx

S!

Andrew

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theknightsofni
06-18-2004, 08:33 AM
thanks for all the help! that mesh one does seem quite good, are all the components good spec? does it come with a monitor and keyboard mouse etc tho?

theknightsofni
06-18-2004, 08:49 AM
i investigated mesh anyway and the one i put the pieces together for is about ‚£1450 or so, not sure about delivery as to whetehr or not i'd be mainland UK or scottish highlands (i'm on the mainland and in the capital of the highlands inveness)

ASM 1
06-18-2004, 08:53 AM
yes

Keyboard & Mouse: Logitech Internet Keyboard & Optical Mouse (Black)

ah bugger - just realised that there is no monitor with it (the woman I specced one of these for already had a 17" flat-panel) so it'll cost you a bit extra I'm afraid.

Sorry http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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ASM 1
06-18-2004, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by theknightsofni:
i investigated mesh anyway and the one i put the pieces together for is about ‚£1450 or so, not sure about delivery as to whetehr or not i'd be mainland UK or scottish highlands (i'm on the mainland and in the capital of the highlands inveness)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

cool - best to phone and ask - my sister did and got hers delivered - shes in the channel islands http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

good luck

PS - I'm in scotland too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif - bit further south - Ayrshire

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B16Enk
06-18-2004, 09:05 AM
You could also try Scan (http://www.scan.co.uk).

They supply systems as well as components, look under 3XS Systems.

If you go AMD and get an nForce 2 board with the APU Dolby sound chip you won't need the Audigy, although the Audigy will add a frame or 2 per second.

Only potential downside of the scan systems is they favour nVidia, no ATI alternative.

But then you could omit it and buy an ATI card seperatley http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk are also a good supplier (mentioned by another poster) and have a fast delivery too.

WOLFMondo
06-18-2004, 10:19 AM
Myself and allot of people I know have had serious problems with Overclockers.

Use them at your peril!

Scan are ok, they occasionally get the order wrong but are happy to sort it out and komplett are also very good. We occasionally buy Mesh PC's for work and there ok but make sure when you buy it when it says Soundblaster compatible its actually a soundblaster and not onboard sound. Same with the network card, get a seperate. The mobo is good though, definatly a good choice by them.

To be honest though, you will save yourself allot of cash building it yourself.

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B16Enk
06-18-2004, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Myself and allot of people I know have had serious problems with Overclockers.

Use them at your peril!

Scan are ok, they occasionally get the order wrong but are happy to sort it out and komplett are also very good. We occasionally buy Mesh PC's for work and there ok but make sure when you buy it when it says Soundblaster compatible its actually a soundblaster and not onboard sound. Same with the network card, get a seperate. The mobo is good though, definatly a good choice by them.

To be honest though, you will save yourself allot of cash building it yourself.

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http://www.wolfgaming.net<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really?

Took me a month once to get my money back following an RMA, but I've spent a lot of money with them with only that issue. It was for some TwinMOS RAM that wasn't compatible with my Asus A7N8X board http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

theknightsofni
06-18-2004, 10:55 AM
how much am i likely to save by going for home built? also my computer knowlege aint that great so dunno if i'd get the right components