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ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 09:23 AM
Wouldn't playing as "you" mean that you are playing the history game normally like any other game, without the game having any connection to the alternative universe of Abstergo? You know, just like any other video game. From what Ubisoft is saying, you're still playing as another character, who's unnamed, faceless and playing a historical character, so it doesn't really differ from playing as Desmond, except that Desmond had a face, a name and an ACTUAL direct effect on the modern time canon.

Assassin_M
03-12-2013, 09:28 AM
You`re the Modern day protagonist...It works like Multiplayer...well..sorta...or Project Legacy if you`v heard of it

ProletariatPleb
03-12-2013, 09:32 AM
you're still playing as another character, who's playing another character,who's just unnamed and probably faceless, so it doesn't really differ from playing as Desmond
Hahhahaha that made my day. I guess that's all it means, you're looking through William/Desmond's memories to find something I guess.

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 09:34 AM
Actually, at the end of the multiplayer in ACR you turned out to be Otso Berg, so you still need to play as another character who plays another historical character. The thing is, you need a link between you, the modern day and the historical world, in this case, you are a faceless character. If they ditch the modern day canon completely, then you'll truly be playing as "you"

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 09:35 AM
You`re the Modern day protagonist...It works like Multiplayer...well..sorta...or Project Legacy if you`v heard of it
Actually, at the end of the multiplayer in ACR you turned out to be Otso Berg, so you still need to play as another character who plays another historical character. The thing is, you need a link between you, the modern day and the historical world, in this case, you are a faceless character. If they ditch the modern day canon completely, then you'll truly be playing as "you"

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 09:37 AM
Hahhahaha that made my day. I guess that's all it means, you're looking through William/Desmond's memories to find something I guess.

They could have just called us subject X and avoided all the confusion.
Also' corrected this horribly confusing statement.

Assassin_M
03-12-2013, 09:41 AM
Actually, at the end of the multiplayer in ACR you turned out to be Otso Berg, so you still need to play as another character who plays another historical character. The thing is, you need a link between you, the modern day and the historical world, in this case, you are a faceless character. If they ditch the modern day canon completely, then you'll truly be playing as "you"
maybe "we" are part of the canon ?

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 09:49 AM
maybe "we" are part of the canon ?

Yes, "we", but since this is just a video game, then "we" must be an actual character in the modern day alternative canon of AC, and not actually "we". They are two different universes and saying that you are "you" in an Abtergo-ruled world, where 90% of Africa is dead, is just incorrect.

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 09:54 AM
Yes, "we", but since this is just a video game, then "we" must be an actual character in the modern day alternative canon of AC, and not actually "we". They are two different universes and saying that you are "you" in an Abtergo-ruled world, where 90% of Africa is dead, is just incorrect.

What if.... this isn't a videogame?

REVELATIONS!

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 09:57 AM
What if.... this isn't a videogame?

REVELATIONS!

I'm in Africa and still alive. Your statement is false. Take that Revelations.

Assassin_M
03-12-2013, 10:00 AM
Yes, "we", but since this is just a video game, then "we" must be an actual character in the modern day alternative canon of AC, and not actually "we". They are two different universes and saying that you are "you" in an Abtergo-ruled world, where 90% of Africa is dead, is just incorrect.
I think I get what you mean..

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 10:00 AM
I'm in Africa and still alive..

What if... you're dead and your mind has been preserved!

MOAR REVELATIONS!

Sushiglutton
03-12-2013, 10:01 AM
My interpretation is that we will play as a faceless character in FP. Technically it's not really us ofc, but if the character we play as is not given an identity at all, then we are not really playing as someone else either. "We" are just observing, listening, reading etc. Interesting to see where they are going with this. It's hard to see how the modern day story, centered around defeating Juno, can progress in this set-up. Maybe there will be some twist at the end were our true identity is revealed. Or this is just a middle game that allows them to plan out a new modern day character for AC5. My guess is that after a short intro the modern part will be entirely optional (maybe something at the end as well).

I like everything about this direction :)!

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 10:03 AM
What if... you're dead and your mind has been preserved!

MOAR REVELATIONS!

But I'm talking to you..... So you're all a part of my imagination and so is this game and everything else?

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 10:03 AM
, but if the character we play as is not given an identity at al

..seems like Desmond.. :p

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 10:04 AM
But I'm talking to you..... So you're all a part of my imagination and so is this game and everything else?

Now your eyes are opening son..

Sushiglutton
03-12-2013, 10:05 AM
..seems like Desmond.. :p

Ouch, right in the jewels :cool:!

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 10:53 AM
..seems like Desmond.. :p

I think I can hear the 3 guys who voted for Desmond in the poll crying.

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 11:02 AM
My interpretation is that we will play as a faceless character in FP. Technically it's not really us ofc, but if the character we play as is not given an identity at all, then we are not really playing as someone else either. "We" are just observing listening, reading etc. Interesting to see where they are going with this. It's hard to see how the modern day story, centered around defeating Juno, can progress in this set-up. Maybe there will be some twist at the end were our true identity is revealed. Or this is just a middle game that allows them to plan out a new modern day character for AC5. My guess is that after a short intro the modern part will be entirely optional (maybe something at the end as well).

I like everything about this direction :)!

Interesting. So basically, we won't understand anything about the modern world until the end of AC4, when the door for another mind**** opens, just like every other AC game.

MasterAssasin84
03-12-2013, 11:03 AM
Wouldn't playing as "you" mean that you are playing the history game normally like any other game, without the game having any connection to the alternative universe of Abstergo? You know, just like any other video game. From what Ubisoft is saying, you're still playing as another character, who's unnamed, faceless and playing a historical character, so it doesn't really differ from playing as Desmond, except that Desmond had a face, a name and an ACTUAL direct effect on the modern time canon.

You are the protaganist :)

Interestingly though i have theorised that ubi could shed light on exactly who Erudito is ? i am going on the lines of Erudito is a splinter faction opposed to abstergo's ideals ( i could be very wrong )
so its a groupn of ex Abstergo programers rather than just one individual.

Am i right in thinking that was Erudito who tapped into desmonds secondary memories in ACB the Da vinci dissapearence ?

dxsxhxcx
03-12-2013, 12:36 PM
by saying "we" are the protagonist they probably meant that the modern day story won't advance like in the other games and that it won't have any importance to the current plot...

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 12:46 PM
by saying "we" are the protagonist they probably meant that the modern day story won't advance like in the other games and that it won't have any importance to the current plot...

So Abstergo is investigating the memories of Desmond just for the lulz?

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 01:43 PM
So Abstergo is investigating the memories of Desmond just for the lulz?

After Warren's death, Abstergo employees have no goals anymore, so they just jump to different time periods to find some authentic historical porn to jack to. Edward seemed like he had a lot of booty, so they are investigating more of his booty-full life.

roostersrule2
03-12-2013, 01:45 PM
After Warren's death, Abstergo employees have no goals anymore, so they just jump to different time periods to find some authentic historical porn to jack to. Edward seemed like he had a lot of booty, so they are investigating more of his booty-full life.Multiple I see what you did there's needed.

MasterAssasin84
03-12-2013, 01:46 PM
After Warren's death, Abstergo employees have no goals anymore, so they just jump to different time periods to find some authentic historical porn to jack to. Edward seemed like he had a lot of booty, so they are investigating more of his booty-full life.

Yea its purely a sexual thing lol !

on topic Warren Vidic was only leading the research he was not leading the Templars ! make no mistake Abstergo have someone to replace him

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 02:06 PM
on topic Warren Vidic was only leading the research he was not leading the Templars ! make no mistake Abstergo have someone to replace him

Alan Rikkin is still alive, so is Laticia England. Warren was but one of the important Templars.

Although my detector detected the sarcasm in ArabicAssassin's post :p

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 02:26 PM
Alan Rikkin is still alive, so is Laticia England. Warren was but one of the important Templars.

Although my detector detected the sarcasm in ArabicAssassin's post :p

It's probably Alan Rikkin that ordered the ultimate search for porn. The man did always have a weird fetish for historical porn. Laticia probably left the organisation after Rikkin's juvenile antics, turning Abstergo Entertainment to Abstergo Adult Entertainment. The rest of the assassins are hunted by Juno, leaving this world void of any secret Assassin×Templar wars. Humanity all becomes a bunch of slaves, but "you" are special, because you escaped with Rikkin into his secret Templar bunker to make Historical porn for him. And this is how the modern day canon will go. Remember when Darby McDevitt said that the player will be saying "what the hell is my crazy boss doing (with this historical porn)?" He's probably talking about Rikkin and his fetish.

pacmanate
03-12-2013, 02:26 PM
Sorry why is M now ArabicAssassin lmfaorofl


Also, I guess because of the reception Desmond got, they needed something that people couldnt hate. You cant hate yourself :P well you can... but you shouldnt.

MasterAssasin84
03-12-2013, 02:28 PM
Sorry why is M now ArabicAssassin lmfaorofl


Also, I guess because of the reception Desmond got, they needed something that people couldnt hate. You cant hate yourself :P well you can... but you shouldnt.

How do you know that lol ! or have i mossed something here .

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 02:28 PM
Although my detector detected the sarcasm in ArabicAssassin's post :p

Like my signature says, I'd like it if you call me Frost.

Saqaliba
03-12-2013, 03:10 PM
It means they arw not capable of writing an intersting character in the modern day narratuve. Which would be realky quite simpke. Instead of making Desmond complex anmnd interesting they made him boring and had ti kill him off. Useless writing. I could have done a way better job. How can theyflaw on such a sinple task. Serioilyu

MasterAssasin84
03-12-2013, 03:11 PM
It means they arw not capable of writing an intersting character in the modern day narratuve. Which would be realky quite simpke. Instead of making Desmond complex anmnd interesting they made him boring and had ti kill him off. Useless writing. I could have done a way better job. How can theyflaw on such a sinple task. Serioilyu

Except they are fantastic at trying new ideas and concepts.

LightRey
03-12-2013, 03:37 PM
Of course it's not unlike Desmond, because Desmond was a character designed for almost the exact same purpose. That's why his character had so little depth.

MasterAssasin84
03-12-2013, 03:39 PM
Of course it's not unlike Desmond, because Desmond was a character designed for almost the exact same purpose. That's why his character had so little depth.

Exactly !!

zerocooll21
03-12-2013, 03:45 PM
What if.... this isn't a videogame?

REVELATIONS!


Baahahahahahahaahahah!

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 03:46 PM
Of course it's not unlike Desmond, because Desmond was a character designed for almost the exact same purpose. That's why his character had so little depth.

Wait for the angry Desmond fanboys to arrive :p But I agree with you..

MasterAssasin84
03-12-2013, 03:47 PM
Wait for the angry Desmond fanboys to arrive :p But I agree with you..

Desmond bored the life out of me truth be told !!

LightRey
03-12-2013, 03:49 PM
Wait for the angry Desmond fanboys to arrive :p But I agree with you..
Funny thing is, I liked Desmond because he served his purpose so well. He said the things I was always thinking. It was only in ACIII when they tried to give him depth and meaning (and failed quite miserably imo) I was disappointed by his character.

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 03:49 PM
It means they arw not capable of writing an intersting character in the modern day narratuve. Which would be realky quite simpke. Instead of making Desmond complex anmnd interesting they made him boring and had ti kill him off. Useless writing. I could have done a way better job. How can theyflaw on such a sinple task. Serioilyu

Plesh showy mew any awesdnme origihak storyu youi hasd writtenm, thenb I'll believer thaty you'red are a better writterf tham then


Desmond bored the life out of me truth be told !!

October 30th shall henceforth be celebrated as the International Freedom from Moronic Day.

MasterAssasin84
03-12-2013, 03:53 PM
Funny thing is, I liked Desmond because he served his purpose so well. He said the things I was always thinking. It was only in ACIII when they tried to give him depth and meaning (and failed quite miserably imo) I was disappointed by his character.


Admitingly desmond was at his best in AC1 IMO there was that element of mystery about him - why are the templars so interested in him and i dont know the Nievety of his personality complemented his character. but i felt that AC3 was too late for him they should paid more attention to him in AC2 .

AjinkyaParuleka
03-12-2013, 03:55 PM
Assassin M is ArabicAssassin....?

MasterAssasin84
03-12-2013, 03:57 PM
Assassin M is ArabicAssassin....?


Yeah apparantly ? news to me then again how would you know lol !

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 04:00 PM
Admitingly desmond was at his best in AC1 IMO there was that element of mystery about him - why are the templars so interested in him and i dont know the Nievety of his personality complemented his character. but i felt that AC3 was too late for him they should paid more attention to him in AC2 .


IMO Desmond was a remnant of the abandoned Trilogy structure, where the last game was supposedly gonna be a modern day one featuring Dessy as a super assassin. That plan got trashed, and Desmond stuck out like a sore thumb. Which is why I celebrated his death. Hopefully whichever character they are bringing in next will be constructed keeping the new structure in mind and hence, fit better in the story.

roostersrule2
03-12-2013, 04:03 PM
Yeah apparantly ? news to me then again how would you know lol !He's from Eygpt.

MasterAssasin84
03-12-2013, 04:48 PM
He's from Eygpt.

Cant be the only Assassins Creed fan from Egypt ?

MasterAssasin84
03-12-2013, 04:50 PM
IMO Desmond was a remnant of the abandoned Trilogy structure, where the last game was supposedly gonna be a modern day one featuring Dessy as a super assassin. That plan got trashed, and Desmond stuck out like a sore thumb. Which is why I celebrated his death. Hopefully whichever character they are bringing in next will be constructed keeping the new structure in mind and hence, fit better in the story.

Which is exactly why after AC1 desmond was out of his comfort zone, i dont know in AC2 he seemed Hollow if that makes sense.

ProletariatPleb
03-12-2013, 04:58 PM
Which is why I celebrated his death
As do all of us sensible people.

http://i.imgur.com/UGFVBDz.jpg

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 05:02 PM
As do all of us sensible people.

http://i.imgur.com/UGFVBDz.jpg

hahhahhaha dat Altair smile cracked me up! xD

but yeah.. *hiddenbrofist*

pacmanate
03-12-2013, 05:13 PM
^ just realised they are all AC characters...

andreja110s
03-12-2013, 05:24 PM
As do all of us sensible people.

http://i.imgur.com/UGFVBDz.jpg

Lmao xD

pacmanate
03-12-2013, 05:31 PM
Assassin M is ArabicAssassin....?

I said this earlier! Unless someone just changed the quote :P

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 06:13 PM
I said this earlier! Unless someone just changed the quote :P

Cause god forbid there be 2 AC fans from Egypt?

Echwaz
03-12-2013, 06:13 PM
I will honestly laugh if they have an Abstergo employee do this~
http://ih2.redbubble.net/image.12298456.0857/sticker,375x360.png

I mean I hope they come up with a way to address proper pronouns to us since we will be the modern day character now...
Wonder if they will have the bleed fixed in this game or if we will have to suffer through it... Could be neat~

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 06:17 PM
Which is exactly why after AC1 desmond was out of his comfort zone, i dont know in AC2 he seemed Hollow if that makes sense.

I honestly felt disconnected from Desmond, solely because of the lack of his playtime and proper situations where he would show personality. I mean come on, didn't we all feel impressed when Desmond walked in into Abstergo like a bloody badass with the apple. If more moments like this were present, he certainly would have been more understood, nevertheless liked.

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 06:20 PM
I mean come on, didn't we all feel impressed when Desmond walked in into Abstergo like a bloody badass with the apple.

I honestly didn't. I felt that whole Abstergo level was horrid.. :|

Desmond would have been dead as soon as he entered the building if the guards had remembered that have weapons to fire and Desmond didn't have invisible plot armour shield around him.

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 06:29 PM
Of course it's not unlike Desmond, because Desmond was a character designed for almost the exact same purpose. That's why his character had so little depth.

Well, to be honest, he served more than a link to historical figures. He was a conduit to something that eluded his understanding, that of Altaļr, Ezio and eventually poor Connor, who got the least info about what is happening and got tricked into believing that all of this didn't save his people. So yeah, more than that. Boring or not, we sort of needed him for modern day progression. If they can pull off the modern day canon, while making it engrossing and progressive towards defeating Juno, then I'll **** the day Desmond was born.

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 06:30 PM
I honestly didn't. I felt that whole Abstergo level was horrid.. :|

Desmond would have been dead as soon as he entered the building if the guards had remembered that have weapons to fire and Desmond didn't have invisible plot armour shield around him.

I must be horribly easy to impress then :-/ I felt like, for the first time, Desmond showed character.

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 06:33 PM
I must be horribly easy to impress then :-/ I felt like, for the first time, Desmond showed character.

xD no the problem lies not in Desmond but the way modern combat is set up; basically just a copypasta of the historical combat.

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 06:38 PM
xD no the problem lies not in Desmond but the way modern combat is set up; basically just a copypasta of the historical combat.

It's alright by my terms. Better they develop historical combat than spend some valuable development time making a modern day combat system that we'll collectively use for 30-40 minutes.

pirate1802
03-12-2013, 06:42 PM
It's alright by my terms. Better they develop historical combat than spend some valuable development time making a modern day combat system that we'll collectively use for 30-40 minutes.

True. But I think it'd be better to remove modern day combat missions altogather than keep it half-baked. And I don't want more resources to be put into them either, I'm a "historical" AC fan :p

Seems like they're going this route in AC4.

LightRey
03-12-2013, 06:47 PM
Well, to be honest, he served more than a link to historical figures. He was a conduit to something that eluded his understanding, that of Altaļr, Ezio and eventually poor Connor, who got the least info about what is happening and got tricked into believing that all of this didn't save his people. So yeah, more than that. Boring or not, we sort of needed him for modern day progression. If they can pull off the modern day canon, while making it engrossing and progressive towards defeating Juno, then I'll **** the day Desmond was born.
Desmond's function isn't being a link, it's representing the player.

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 06:58 PM
True. But I think it'd be better to remove modern day combat missions altogather than keep it half-baked. And I don't want more resources to be put into them either, I'm a "historical" AC fan :p

Seems like they're going this route in AC4.


Desmond's function isn't being a link, it's representing the player.

But don't we need Desmond's DNA to connect to historical figures? Therefore, he is a link. He doesn't really represent the players much.

ProletariatPleb
03-12-2013, 07:00 PM
Desmond's function isn't being a link, it's representing the player.
I sure as **** have more personality and character than that guy, no way he represents me.

LightRey
03-12-2013, 07:10 PM
But don't we need Desmond's DNA to connect to historical figures? Therefore, he is a link. He doesn't really represent the players much.
Of course we do, but that's part of his function as a representation of the player. I'm not saying he isn't a link, I'm saying that's an insufficient definition of his role. He represents the players precisely because his character is so generic. It makes him easy to identify with as long as there are lots of blanks to fill in yourself, which there are.


I sure as **** have more personality and character than that guy, no way he represents me.
That's the entire point. You're supposed to fill it in yourself. He lacks personality because he's not given the opportunity to show it, and that's exactly what they wanted because you're not supposed to find out (as that would give him a unique personality and ruin the entire concept).

Keep in mind, he's not someone to relate to. He's not someone you should be trying to understand or to feel sorry for. He's just a random guy who gets caught up in something way bigger than himself.

ProletariatPleb
03-12-2013, 07:11 PM
That's the entire point. You're supposed to fill it in yourself. He lacks personality because he's not given the opportunity to show it, and that's exactly what they wanted because you're not supposed to find out (as that would give him a unique personality and ruin the entire concept).

Keep in mind, he's not someone to relate to. He's not someone you should be trying to understand or to feel sorry for. He's just a random guy who gets caught up in something way bigger than himself.
Well if that was the case, then the point is horribly portrayed.

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 07:15 PM
Desmond's function isn't being a link, it's representing the player.

It's both. We need his DNA to to be linked to historical times.

Perk89
03-12-2013, 07:16 PM
Ugh.... did they really say this.... kill me..

LightRey
03-12-2013, 07:19 PM
Well if that was the case, then the point is horribly portrayed.
The fact that they're portraying it exactly the way they intend to is a horrible way? How does that even make any sense? The point is made! They did exactly what they wanted to and it seems to have worked brilliantly. It certainly did for me. You just don't like the style, but it's a central element of the games that it seems they're only going to solidify now that the player basically is the main character. If you don't like it, too bad.


It's both. We need his DNA to to be linked to historical times.
Read more carefully, I'm pretty much saying that the second already implies the first.

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 07:24 PM
Of course we do, but that's part of his function as a representation of the player. I'm not saying he isn't a link, I'm saying that's an insufficient definition of his role. He represents the players precisely because his character is so generic. It makes him easy to identify with as long as there are lots of blanks to fill in yourself, which there are.


That's the entire point. You're supposed to fill it in yourself. He lacks personality because he's not given the opportunity to show it, and that's exactly what they wanted because you're not supposed to find out (as that would give him a unique personality and ruin the entire concept).

Keep in mind, he's not someone to relate to. He's not someone you should be trying to understand or to feel sorry for. He's just a random guy who gets caught up in something way bigger than himself.

So you believe during the creation of Desmond, Ubisoft was thinking of making a generic character, so the players will imagine certain characteristics for Desmond, rather than have it presented to them on a silver plate? If that's the case, then you really over-estimate the creative process of Desmond, or maybe Ubisoft just tried too hard with the whole generic character.

LightRey
03-12-2013, 07:28 PM
So you believe during the creation of Desmond, Ubisoft was thinking of making a generic character, so the players will imagine certain characteristics for Desmond, rather than have it presented to them on a silver plate? If that's the case, then you really over-estimate the creative process of Desmond, or maybe Ubisoft just tried too hard with the whole generic character.
I'm not over-estimating anything. It's quite obvious. However, since you clearly claim to know more about the development of Desmond's character, please enlighten me how you've gotten to know the Ubisoft devs and writers so well and when they decided to tell you all their little storytelling secrets.

ProletariatPleb
03-12-2013, 07:29 PM
The fact that they're portraying it exactly the way they intend to is a horrible way? How does that even make any sense? The point is made! They did exactly what they wanted to and it seems to have worked brilliantly. It certainly did for me. You just don't like the style, but it's a central element of the games that it seems they're only going to solidify now that the player basically is the main character. If you don't like it, too bad.
http://i.imgur.com/jBQsZsU.jpg


If they want me to project myself onto it, why does he have voice and dialogue? Why has he got a say in it? They ramrod him into being some action hero when he clearly wasn't one and all that "ultimate assassin" horse**** didn't help either.

LightRey
03-12-2013, 07:33 PM
http://i.imgur.com/jBQsZsU.jpg


If they want me to project myself onto it, why does he have voice and dialogue? Why has he got a say in it? They ramrod him into being some action hero when he clearly wasn't one and all that "ultimate assassin" horse**** didn't help either.
Because it's not an RPG. He's supposed to represent you, not be your avatar. It's a subtle but important difference. For story-reasons he still needed his own background, his genetics, his ancestors, etc. Now with the whole cloud thing that's become unnecessary, so they gave him an end befitting a hero (or tried to at least) and replaced him.

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 07:43 PM
I'm not over-estimating anything. It's quite obvious. However, since you clearly claim to know more about the development of Desmond's character, please enlighten me how you've gotten to know the Ubisoft devs and writers so well and when they decided to tell you all their little storytelling secrets.

You see Mr.smartass, that's why I put an OR after my statement, to indicate that I do not completely regard your hypothesis as faulty. I'd be content if you send me sources about the creative process of Desmond, but until then, your hypothesis may not hold full truth.

SixKeys
03-12-2013, 08:03 PM
I don't have a link handy, but I do recall seeing an interview where one of the devs clearly said Desmond was designed as a blank slate character for the players to project themselves on to. Back in 2007 that was still widely considered a successful recipe for a video game protagonist (Half-Life etc.), but the tide was just starting to turn when AC1 rolled around. Uncharted proved that people actually preferred a well-rounded protagonist with a proper background and personality and people criticized Desmond for being so bland in comparison to Nathan Drake. So in an effort to make players appreciate the modern day story more, the devs struggled to make Desmond more relevant in the following games while at the same time trying to downplay the modern day segments since they weren't as popular as the historical bits.

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 08:26 PM
I don't have a link handy, but I do recall seeing an interview where one of the devs clearly said Desmond was designed as a blank slate character for the players to project themselves on to. Back in 2007 that was still widely considered a successful recipe for a video game protagonist (Half-Life etc.), but the tide was just starting to turn when AC1 rolled around. Uncharted proved that people actually preferred a well-rounded protagonist with a proper background and personality and people criticized Desmond for being so bland in comparison to Nathan Drake. So in an effort to make players appreciate the modern day story more, the devs struggled to make Desmond more relevant in the following games while at the same time trying to downplay the modern day segments since they weren't as popular as the historical bits.

They should have just completed the series with Desmond's original character structure, rather than further ruining him. Anyway, wouldn't people have originally liked Desmond if he truly does represent a certain successful set of characteristics, whether they be old or new? Was it really the gamers' changing mindset that affected Desmond's reception or was it that Desmond just didn't satisfy any of the 2 character recipes?

SixKeys
03-12-2013, 09:14 PM
They should have just completed the series with Desmond's original character structure, rather than further ruining him. Anyway, wouldn't people have originally liked Desmond if he truly does represent a certain successful set of characteristics, whether they be old or new? Was it really the gamers' changing mindset that affected Desmond's reception or was it that Desmond just didn't satisfy any of the 2 character recipes?

Personally I think if they'd have just gone ahead with their original plan of a trilogy (instead of a quintology or whatever we got in the end), Desmond would have had a natural progression and people would have grown to enjoy him more. The way I see it, AC1 was set up to introduce us to Desmond when he was a nobody, AC2 was where we trained him and AC3 would have shown him as a full-blown badass assassin worthy of his ancestors. He might not have ever become interesting in his own right, but his character arc would have been more satisfying. When they stretched the story with ACB and ACR, they had to come up with new, contrived ways to stall the modern day story from progressing and making Desmond more useless in the process. By the time his time to shine as an assassin in AC3 rolled around, he was seen as little more than excess baggage that needed to be thrown overboard so that Ubi could move forward with their new vision.

pacmanate
03-12-2013, 09:17 PM
I don't have a link handy, but I do recall seeing an interview where one of the devs clearly said Desmond was designed as a blank slate character for the players to project themselves on to. Back in 2007 that was still widely considered a successful recipe for a video game protagonist (Half-Life etc.), but the tide was just starting to turn when AC1 rolled around. Uncharted proved that people actually preferred a well-rounded protagonist with a proper background and personality and people criticized Desmond for being so bland in comparison to Nathan Drake. So in an effort to make players appreciate the modern day story more, the devs struggled to make Desmond more relevant in the following games while at the same time trying to downplay the modern day segments since they weren't as popular as the historical bits.

And then they made AC3 and had short Modern Day time and rushed the ending which had no emotion. Well done Ubisoft. Desmond got boring by Revelations because he was in a Coma. AC3 he wasn't anything special either, if the missions were longer I would have enjoyed it. At least he turned into a magician and could magic up a combat knife randomly

HeedfulMass4856
03-12-2013, 09:33 PM
Wouldn't playing as "you" mean that you are playing the history game normally like any other game, without the game having any connection to the alternative universe of Abstergo? You know, just like any other video game. From what Ubisoft is saying, you're still playing as another character, who's unnamed, faceless and playing a historical character, so it doesn't really differ from playing as Desmond, except that Desmond had a face, a name and an ACTUAL direct effect on the modern time canon.

It simply means that the modern-day gameplay will suck monkey testicles.

joey-4321_web
03-12-2013, 09:50 PM
Desmond was awesome and a great character there is nothing you can say that will change my mind.

ArabianFrost
03-12-2013, 10:28 PM
Personally I think if they'd have just gone ahead with their original plan of a trilogy (instead of a quintology or whatever we got in the end), Desmond would have had a natural progression and people would have grown to enjoy him more. The way I see it, AC1 was set up to introduce us to Desmond when he was a nobody, AC2 was where we trained him and AC3 would have shown him as a full-blown badass assassin worthy of his ancestors. He might not have ever become interesting in his own right, but his character arc would have been more satisfying. When they stretched the story with ACB and ACR, they had to come up with new, contrived ways to stall the modern day story from progressing and making Desmond more useless in the process. By the time his time to shine as an assassin in AC3 rolled around, he was seen as little more than excess baggage that needed to be thrown overboard so that Ubi could move forward with their new vision.

As long as we get more GOOD Assassin's Creed games, then I wouldn't complain much about the modern day times. At the end, I'm really in it for the history (I still do appreciate an engrossing well-made modern-day canon, though)

Assasseffect
03-12-2013, 10:36 PM
Honestly, you complain Desmond wasn't a good protagonist (he was) yet you don't want him to be faceless and voiceless, allowing you to create him in your image, like Gordon Freeman and Corvo Reeves?

Besides, it will most likely work like AC: R. Almost entirely ancestor plus taking a break to have a glimpse at Abstergo and what they're doing. What entitles it to the IV in the name is still unknown, though.

twenty_glyphs
03-13-2013, 01:02 AM
Hey, at least now Ubisoft can't screw up the modern-day protagonist's face by changing it to an uglier version from game to game!