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JorBR
05-11-2004, 11:17 AM
While we wait two more weeks... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


My categories: (1)Platoon MG; (2)soldier main weapon, (3)sidearm and (4)combat knife.

My choices:

1 - MG42: worlds first truly "universal" machinegun; ROF 1200-1300 rounds/min says it all; still in use today.
http://members.aol.com/dasreichwaffenss/images/mg42.jpg

2 - Stg44: the first real assault rifle; in fact, the term "assault rifle" itself is a literal translation of this weapon's designation (apparently given by Hitler himself);
http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/2/2f/SG44.jpg

3 - Colt 1911: no presententions needed
http://www.ares.cz/hobby/kwc/picture/ka11h.jpg

4 - Khukri: nothing is better to chopp your enemy‚¬īs head
http://www.armory.net/items/wsh57.jpg

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JorBR
05-11-2004, 11:17 AM
While we wait two more weeks... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


My categories: (1)Platoon MG; (2)soldier main weapon, (3)sidearm and (4)combat knife.

My choices:

1 - MG42: worlds first truly "universal" machinegun; ROF 1200-1300 rounds/min says it all; still in use today.
http://members.aol.com/dasreichwaffenss/images/mg42.jpg

2 - Stg44: the first real assault rifle; in fact, the term "assault rifle" itself is a literal translation of this weapon's designation (apparently given by Hitler himself);
http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/2/2f/SG44.jpg

3 - Colt 1911: no presententions needed
http://www.ares.cz/hobby/kwc/picture/ka11h.jpg

4 - Khukri: nothing is better to chopp your enemy‚¬īs head
http://www.armory.net/items/wsh57.jpg

"Never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty but the pig enjoys it!"

Kurfurst__
05-11-2004, 11:46 AM
Agreed, replace the last two with
a, Walther P-38
b, anything with an acceptable size that doesnt got in the way 99% while being used 1% time.

Do I have to carry it, too? Replace no2 with an M1 Carbine. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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S 8
05-11-2004, 11:57 AM
1-30 cal or Bren gun
2-Thompson
3-Whatever
4-That spade in DOD.

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Venom079
05-11-2004, 12:06 PM
where is the springfield M1903-A4 sniper rifle...
give me some cover and plenty of ammo.

Sam_the_greek
05-11-2004, 12:13 PM
1)M1A1: good lightweight, accurate semi-automatic rifle.
2)Colt of course
3)a groovy samurai sword http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
4)Mk 1 frag grenades

Kill, kill, kill

JorBR
05-11-2004, 12:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sam_the_greek:
1)M1A1: good lightweight, accurate semi-automatic rifle.
2)Colt of course
3)a groovy samurai sword http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
4)Mk 1 frag grenades

Kill, kill, kill<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

3) Groovy but clumsy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif , not a good choice outside parade ground http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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adadaead
05-11-2004, 12:45 PM
The first assault rifle what about Russian PPSH or the first AK (yes first AK was invented during WW2) or thompson, or Shmauser(mp40). Or maybe i missunderstood you, cause i know that russian AK and that Stg 44 used gas from fired bullets to reload automaticly no a metal spring. That the thing that was so uniqe sorry i can't eplain better, cause i heard it in russian and can't really translate word for word. Thoug i'm russian.

1MG42 (it was the best)

2.PPSh

3.Colt 1911 (YEAH BABY)

4. A baonet on a gun/ any knife (i'm not a rembo).

5. Rifle probably M1 garant or that german one (forgot how it was called)

Actually i'm not completely in favor of German weapons but most of weapons they had where really the work of good engineers, but other countries had their weapons with their little tricks, like M1 garant where you didn't have to reaload.



Only in the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.

JorBR
05-11-2004, 12:56 PM
adadaead, actually sgt. Mikhail Kalashnikov assalt rifle were, most certain, inspired in the Stg.

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PBNA-Boosher
05-11-2004, 01:06 PM
Here's my preference as a ground soldier win WW2.


HMG: Browning .50 cal all da way!

Main weapon: BAR (I'm pretty heavy, so it won't hold me back) either that or a Springfield '03 w/ sniper scope. I'm a pretty good shot w/ rifles.

Sidearm: Colt .45, no way I'd go without it.

Knife: I want a Ka-bar! Don't know if they were issued during WW2, but I still want one!

Don't forget them pineapple grenades, I need at least 4 of those!

PBNA-Boosher
05-11-2004, 01:08 PM
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5. Rifle probably M1 garant or that german one (forgot how it was called)

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You mean a Mauser KAR-98? Actually, the Springfield 1903 is a direct copy of the mauser. American companies bought the license for what they rightly deemed, an excellent gun!

telven
05-11-2004, 01:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adadaead:
. Or maybe i missunderstood you, cause i know that russian AK and that Stg 44 used gas from fired bullets to reload automaticly no a metal spring.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dunno, it looks like the AK uses a metal spring in this video.

http://telven.com/kalashnikov.mpg

http://telven.com/stuff/f15-2.gif

jtasker
05-11-2004, 01:33 PM
MG42 was a great weapon..but it ate LOTS of ammo.. would have been better if it had a rate of fire adjustment. As for the individual soldiers weapon, the M1 Garand was about as good as it got.. The Stg was a fine weapon in concept, but it wasn't up to snuff in terms of quality and durability. It also fired a sub caliber round (like a true assault rifle) The Colt .45 is about as good as you will get for a defensive pistol.. For an SMG the Finn Suomi was better than the PPsh..Thompsons were reliable but very heavy.

BaldieJr
05-11-2004, 01:34 PM
I would have assailed my opponent with Burbon.

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Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
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Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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US_8th_Dosiere
05-11-2004, 01:36 PM
Those are all fine choices, but in some instances I would gladly trade in that StuG 43 for a Thompson. Oh, if you are having to cut peoples heads off with that knife then maybe you should have chosen a different sidearm. :P

JG7_Rall
05-11-2004, 01:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adadaead:
The first assault rifle what about Russian PPSH or the first AK (yes first AK was invented during WW2) or thompson, or Shmauser(mp40). Or maybe i missunderstood you, cause i know that russian AK and that Stg 44 used gas from fired bullets to reload automaticly no a metal spring. That the thing that was so uniqe sorry i can't eplain better, cause i heard it in russian and can't really translate word for word. Thoug i'm russian.

1MG42 (it was the best)

2.PPSh

3.Colt 1911 (YEAH BABY)

4. A baonet on a gun/ any knife (i'm not a rembo).

5. Rifle probably M1 garant or that german one (forgot how it was called)

Actually i'm not completely in favor of German weapons but most of weapons they had where really the work of good engineers, but other countries had their weapons with their little tricks, like M1 garant where you didn't have to reaload.



Only in the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.



<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

An assault rifle uses a round that is similar to a rifle round, while sub-machine guns use pistol calibre rounds. the PPSh, Thompson, and MP40 where all SMG's that fired 9mm ammunition and in the Thompsons case, the .45 round.

The first true assault rifle was indeed the MP44/StG44. It fired a bullet much like the Mausers round, but was a "short" rifle round. This gave it good accuracy and range like a traditional rifle but also gave it a much higher RoF like sub maching guns (still not as high, though). The Kalashnikov (did I spell that right?) was created after WWII and, althought it looks like the StG, the internals are very, very different. The StG is very complicated in design while the AK-47 stressed simplicity and spacing of all parts for good reliability.

As far as the gas/spring situation that you're stating goes, both the StG and the AK-47 use gas from the spent bullet to re-**** the firing mechanism, much like you do when the gun is first loaded (if the chamber is empty). There are guns now that don't use gas blowback meathod but for the most part, assault rifles use it. For a modern day comparison, the M16 rifle uses gas blowback while a G36 uses a different mechanism (don't remember the name of it) rather than gas.

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adadaead
05-11-2004, 01:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by telven:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adadaead:
. Or maybe i missunderstood you, cause i know that russian AK and that Stg 44 used gas from fired bullets to reload automaticly no a metal spring. JG_Rall explains there better then i do.

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I dunno, it looks like the AK uses a metal spring in this video.

http://telven.com/kalashnikov.mpg

http://telven.com/stuff/f15-2.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh this metal spring used modern guns too but the thing that **** or whatever that spring back is the gas that's released from the bullets just that the mechaniz where it happens is not shown in that video. it more colse to the end of the barrel of the gun.

Only in the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.

LoneWolf_89
05-11-2004, 02:06 PM
1. MG42 (For anything larger than a platoon I would take a M2 Browning.)

2. M1 Garand

3. P38

4. V42 (Special Forces knife.)

Jippo01
05-11-2004, 02:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adadaead:
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I think you must mean mass lock. Just a heavy bolt and pistol ammunition. Mass of the bolt reacts slow to the relatively weak ammunition, but only the recoil of the round is used to reload the new round. No gas or any other not direct method.

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LoneWolf_89
05-11-2004, 02:08 PM
None of you would take a bolt action rifle?

adadaead
05-11-2004, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adadaead:
The first assault rifle what about Russian PPSH or the first AK (yes first AK was invented during WW2) or thompson, or Shmauser(mp40). Or maybe i missunderstood you, cause i know that russian AK and that Stg 44 used gas from fired bullets to reload automaticly no a metal spring. That the thing that was so uniqe sorry i can't eplain better, cause i heard it in russian and can't really translate word for word. Thoug i'm russian.

1MG42 (it was the best)

2.PPSh

3.Colt 1911 (YEAH BABY)

4. A baonet on a gun/ any knife (i'm not a rembo).

5. Rifle probably M1 garant or that german one (forgot how it was called)

Actually i'm not completely in favor of German weapons but most of weapons they had where really the work of good engineers, but other countries had their weapons with their little tricks, like M1 garant where you didn't have to reaload.



Only in the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.



<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

An assault rifle uses a round that is similar to a rifle round, while sub-machine guns use pistol calibre rounds. the PPSh, Thompson, and MP40 where all SMG's that fired 9mm ammunition and in the Thompsons case, the .45 round.

The first true assault rifle was indeed the MP44/StG44. It fired a bullet much like the Mausers round, but was a "short" rifle round. This gave it good accuracy and range like a traditional rifle but also gave it a much higher RoF like sub maching guns (still not as high, though). The Kalashnikov (did I spell that right?) was created after WWII and, althought it looks like the StG, the internals are very, very different. The StG is very complicated in design while the AK-47 stressed simplicity and spacing of all parts for good reliability.

As far as the gas/spring situation that you're stating goes, both the StG and the AK-47 use gas from the spent bullet to re-**** the firing mechanism, much like you do when the gun is first loaded (if the chamber is empty). There are guns now that don't use gas blowback meathod but for the most part, assault rifles use it. For a modern day comparison, the M16 rifle uses gas blowback while a G36 uses a different mechanism (don't remember the name of it) rather than gas.

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Well actually it was invented just that nobody ever talked bout it, it didn't look like the modern AK-47 but it the first AK. AK stand for Avtomat Kalshnikova so it was the first gun that was amde by Kalashnikov but the after the war it was more "upgraded" then it became know as Ak-47 and i think some ideas whre stolen from the Stg 44. or soemthing but the first series were made in 1943 or 44, i'm russian and my dad served in a soviet army and he the one who told me that. Probably when they were learning about the AK-47 in army they learned a little history. What i'm trying to say is that i think my dad knows better, so AK was made was made during WW2 it wasn't used as much though, no offense i could't believe it myself too.
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Only in the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.

JorBR
05-11-2004, 02:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>(...) Oh, if you are having to cut peoples heads off with that knife then maybe you should have chosen a different sidearm. :P<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who said I want to cut off living peoples heads? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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JorBR
05-11-2004, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adadaead:

Well actually it was invented just that nobody ever talked bout it, it didn't look like the modern AK-47 but it the first AK. AK stand for Avtomat Kalshnikova so it was the first gun that was amde by Kalashnikov but the after the war it was more "upgraded" then it became know as Ak-47 and i think some ideas whre stolen from the Stg 44. or soemthing but the first series were made in 1943 or 44, i'm russian and my dad served in a soviet army and he the one who told me that. Probably when they were learning about the AK-47 in army they learned a little history. What i'm trying to say is that i think my dad knows better, so AK was made was made during WW2 it wasn't used as much though, no offense i could't believe it myself too.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe it‚¬īs right but "The official story of the AK says that the sergeant Mikhail Kalashnikov, being in hospital after the wound, began to develop various small arms during the World War 2. Circa 1944 he was assigned to the Izhevsk Machinebuilding Plant (IZHMASH), where in 1944 he developed a semi-automatic, gas-operated carbine. Starting with this design, during 1945 and 1946 he developed an assault rifle that he submitted for official Soviet Army trials in 1946. During the 1946 and early 1947 he redesigned his initial rifle and submitted it to the second trials, held in 1947. The latter design was found superior to the rivals and was consequently adopted in 1949 as the "7,62mm Automat Kalashnikova, obraztsa 1947 goda" (7.62mm Kalashnikov automatic rifle, model of 1947). After extensive field trials it was slightly modified in 1951, but retained the same name. Along with the basic version, a folding butt version had been developed for paratroop forces, and it was named AKS."

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SmartFart
05-11-2004, 04:44 PM
Yeah, I'd take a bolt action rifle:

and the 3rd Army, if they count as a personal man portable weapon, which Patton seemed to think so.

How's them apples?

Dammerung
05-11-2004, 05:31 PM
Can I have a P-38?

In all seriousness,

Rifle: M1
Sidearm: Colt .45
Machine Gun(Heavy): MG42 or .50 M2 Browning

Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
The whole damn place is full of queers, navigators, and bombadiers...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...

Xiolablu3
05-11-2004, 05:51 PM
I agree with the choices in the first post.

STG44 was a truly revolutionary gun, great for close house to house fighting and also longer battlefield ranges. Try taking a M1 garand in house house combat and it would be just far too clumsy. Also the Thompson was far too underpowered for longer ranges, hell the sten and mp44 were better at long range than the tommy.

Whatever the Russian books say about the AK47, its damn obvious that the idea was copied from the STG44. The gun wasnt made during WW2 it was made in 1947 hence its name.

p1ngu666
05-11-2004, 09:47 PM
hm, ak47 is brutaly simple, and really reliable.
iirec if it jams u just pull something back, and blow grit out if thats the problem
one of the tests for the rifle was to be dragged behind a jeep, then fired alot straight away. no cleaning or anything http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

oh if they do cack up badly, there a very good club too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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NegativeGee
05-11-2004, 09:52 PM
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HMG: Browning .50 cal all da way!
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As long as you are doing the carrying part, sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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ElektroFredrik
05-12-2004, 12:34 AM
I'd like a body bag to hide in,
make the enemy think I'm already dead http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Then I sneak up behind the and club them
down with my potato-masher grenade http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Giganoni
05-12-2004, 12:48 AM
If you want best bolt action rifle, I've seen most reports say the No4 Enfield was the best. However, I'd take a Type 99 early war Arisaka rifle. Easily one of the best bolt action rifles of the war.

HarryVoyager
05-12-2004, 12:50 AM
Main rifle, I would probably go with the Tokarev SVT-40. While I'm not terribly fond of the ammunition it fired, the rest of the gun was so excellent, it makes up for it.

Think of an M1 Garand, that fired a slightly lighter round, and a larger, fully detachable box magazine, and you've got about what the Tokarev was.

The M1 Carbine would have been a nice gun as well, had they doubled the powder load for the bullet. A considerably nicer gun to work with than the StG.44, it suffered from firing a round only marginally more powerful than a pistol round.

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lbhskier37
05-12-2004, 12:51 AM
Winchester 30-08 with a 45X9 scope anyone? Or am I just the lonely deer hunter herehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I always thought if anyone was trying to take over my town I could sit in the woods near the main road and pick a whole bunch of them off with my gun before they got me. Bolt action big scope is the way to go, reasonable rate of fire, uber good acurracy.

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RAF74_Buzzsaw
05-12-2004, 12:53 AM
Salute

I wouldn't take a bolt action rifle, but if I did, it would be the Lee-Enfield. Same accuracy as the Mauser's or Springfield, with a 15 round magazine and the ability to fire twice as fast due to the slick bolt action. Without a doubt the best bolt action rifle ever made.

But I'd take the Garand if I had my druthers.

If I had to carry the LMG and ammo, I'd take a Bren or a BAR. The MG-42 goes through ammo so fast you need two other guys to carry your ammo.

If I had a Squad to carry the ammo, I'd take the MG42. Or perhaps, better, the MG34. Lower rate of fire, but not enough to make a difference.

lbhskier37
05-12-2004, 01:11 AM
I really really like the SKS also. Good accuracy, and good rate of fire. Big bonous is its still legal in the states to use it with the 30 round clip http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif But I guess back then I would have more choices, but if I needed a gun right now, that would be it.

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SodBuster43
05-12-2004, 02:16 AM
Winchester 92 and Colt Peacemaker plus any 44-40 ammo I could fit on my bandaleros. Sort of Poncho Villa style. Also a couple sticks of dynomite and a lit cigar to light them with http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Aaron_GT
05-12-2004, 03:02 AM
1. MG42
2. M2 carbine. (According to measurements
by the US army nearly as lethal as the M1
rifle, less weight, recoil, selective fire).
3. Browning Hi Power.
4. Italian WW2 spade (was designed to be
usable as an axe as well as a spade).

fokkerg.1
05-12-2004, 03:20 AM
For MG: .50 M2 Browning
For SMG: Thompson
For Sidearm: Colt .45
For Knife: anything, as long as it's sharp and not too big

Beirut
05-12-2004, 05:00 AM
Fat Man and his little brother.

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LW_lcarp
05-12-2004, 05:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lbhskier37:
Winchester 30-08 with a 45X9 scope anyone? Or am I just the lonely deer hunter herehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I always thought if anyone was trying to take over my town I could sit in the woods near the main road and pick a whole bunch of them off with my gun before they got me. Bolt action big scope is the way to go, reasonable rate of fire, uber good acurracy.



Ill use my 7mm mag (bolt action)with its 3X9 nothing like reaching out and touching someone. And all these people that want the MGs let em have them as that the first thing the enemy go after when the enemy attacks.



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Tully__
05-12-2004, 07:46 AM
Bren
StG 44
P-38
Sharp and sturdy, but not too big.

For a bolt action, Swedish 6.5 x 55

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Slush69
05-12-2004, 07:52 AM
Anything that's easy to throw away, so I could run away faster.

Anyone here who'd want to drag a MG-42 through 6 years of war obviously hasn't tried an easy 30 km. night march with it's modern predecessor or the joy of redeploying it in a field carriage.

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Arm_slinger
05-12-2004, 08:05 AM
1.Bren/MG42/ FN BAR- belgian converted BAR that could fire belts as well as mags (no sure if if saw combat in ww2 though)

2. Stg44/ LE No4

3. Browning High power/ colt 45

4. Bayonet/ fabian sykes

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Pilot of 242 Squadron

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JorBR
05-12-2004, 08:41 AM
I guess your choices reflects your tactics, which reflects, to some extent, your nationality.

A quote from Dennis Showalter:

"American infantry tactics depended on the
individual rifleman and his semiautomatic M-I Garand. The automatic rifle organic to each squad was a suport weapon. A German squad, however, was built around its light machine gun; (...) In defense or attack, the rest of the squad, with their bolt-action Mausers, were expected to cover the gun crew and keep them supplied with ammunition. As long as the gun stayed in action, the position had a chance of holding out against anything but overwhelming numbers - or tanks.

With its high rate of fire and its quick-change barrel, the MG-42 compensated at least in part for the declining strength of front-line German units. Anybody able to scrounge one discarded his turn-of-the-century rifle for a submachine gun, either the German MP-40 or one of its Russian counterparts." (From the book In Deadly Combat by Herbert Biderman).

Unfortunatelly I don‚¬īt have information about russian squad/platoon tactics.

"Never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty but the pig enjoys it!"

SUPERAEREO
05-12-2004, 08:50 AM
1) M-1 Garand

2) PPSh

3) Browning HP

4) Fairbairn-Sykes dagger

OR, PREFERABLY:

1) Swiss Army Knife with Corkscrew

2) Rent-Free 2-Bedroom Chalet in Switzerland with well-stocked Wine Cellar... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!


"The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down."
Chuck Yaeger

PraetorHonoris
05-12-2004, 09:20 AM
Combatknifes and Bajonetts are pretty useless...
a spade is the ultimate close combat weapon and yes, I am serious, this is what my Feldwebel told me.

As soldier main weapon I'd prefer the FG42 (Fallschirmj√¬§gergewehr - paratrooper rifle), although there were only a few of them, the specs of the FG42 are very impressive, when equiped with a scope it is a good sniper rifle too. When there was no MG42, the FG42 could substitute it.

http://www.actionfiguren.com/Dragon/Germans/Meyer/70125_Meyer-FG42-1.jpg

FG42 specs:
Caliber: 7.92mm
Length: 35 inches/94cm
Weight: 9lbs/4,5kg
Maximum Combat Range: 600 meters (without scope)
Feed System: 20 Round Detachable Magazine
Rate of fire: 750-800 rpm
V0: 762 m/sec

"Everyone who has ever looked into the glazed eyes of a soldier dying on the
battlefield will think hard before starting a war." - Reichskanzler von Bismarck

http://www.rkwetterau.de/assets/images/verdun_franz_helfen.jpg
Humanity

SUPERAEREO
05-12-2004, 09:35 AM
Yeah, I've heard that about spades too.

During WW2 many people used to sharpen theirs.

A bit rough to open my bottles of Montrachet in my swiss refuge, mind you...

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"The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down."
Chuck Yaeger

Dmitri9mm
05-12-2004, 09:45 AM
Platoon MG: MG 34 - Better quality than MG 42 lower ROF=bettercontrol
Main weapon: SVT 40 - Voted "best" by soldiers of all nations
Sidearm: Browning hi-power 9mm - Reliable, good balance, large clip.
Combat "knife": Standard German entrenching tool "spade" - cleaves a head in one slash!

http://www.pimaair.org/pictures/F4u.jpg
Ready for take off in 2004?

Curly_109
05-12-2004, 09:49 AM
thompson.

other cathegories are irrelevant. or whatever http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Matz0r
05-12-2004, 09:55 AM
* A white flag.
* A good pair of running shoes.
* Body armor (I read Hitler wore body armor so it should've existed).

http://home.swipnet.se/hotascougar/pics/p51blam.gif

JorBR
05-12-2004, 10:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matz0r:
* A white flag.
* A good pair of running shoes.
* Body armor (I read Hitler wore body armor so it should've existed).

http://home.swipnet.se/hotascougar/pics/p51blam.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They indeed existed, since the first war, but I think your running shoes would be useless http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.clash-of-steel.co.uk/gallery/pages/med/m_YCM_WWIsent.jpg

"Never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty but the pig enjoys it!"

Matz0r
05-12-2004, 10:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JorBR:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matz0r:
* A white flag.
* A good pair of running shoes.
* Body armor (I read Hitler wore body armor so it should've existed).

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They indeed existed, since the first war, but I think your running shoes would be useless http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's all a matter of how much adrenaline you can muster when you have bullets chasing you. Enough of it and you can run a mile with a VW on your back http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JorBR
05-12-2004, 10:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

It's all a matter of much adrenaline you can muster when you have bullets chasing you. Enough of it and you can run a mile with a VW on your back http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"Never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty but the pig enjoys it!"

Red_Russian13
05-12-2004, 11:24 AM
1.) MG42...if larger was required M2 .50

2.) Thompson or Soviet Mosin-Nagant 1891/30 Sniper

3.) Colt 1911

4.) Ka-Bar USMC fighting knife

Just my 2 cents.

darkhorizon11
05-12-2004, 03:32 PM
Yeah they all sound good to me.
Thompson Submachine gun
MG42 Heavy Machine gun
FG42 Paratrooper Rifle
BAR Heavy Machine gun

They all get the job done. In fact my grampa has a Japanese Luger and an old Jap bolt action rifle and even those would do me good. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW JorBR where did you get that pictures from its awesome, probably one of the best color WWII pictures I've ever seen (both for action and quality)!

JorBR
05-13-2004, 12:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
Yeah they all sound good to me.
Thompson Submachine gun
MG42 Heavy Machine gun
FG42 Paratrooper Rifle
BAR Heavy Machine gun

They all get the job done. In fact my grampa has a Japanese Luger and an old Jap bolt action rifle and even those would do me good. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW JorBR where did you get that pictures from its awesome, probably one of the best color WWII pictures I've ever seen (both for action and quality)!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Take a look in properties, it may be well from reecnament group, not sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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SteelMag
05-13-2004, 03:48 AM
1. MG-34 LMG (made better than 42 and easier ROF).

2. Italian Beretta Modello 1938 9mm SMG with 40 round magazine.

3. FN Browning GP-1935 (Browning HP)

4. KA-BAR

5. RDG-1 Hand Grenades (Russian)

Dilbert-A-
05-13-2004, 05:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matz0r:
* A white flag.
* A good pair of running shoes.
* Body armor
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, I agree with you and to stay on the real safe side, I would take all the above combined with a nice place full of pencils and maps and such stuff at least 200 kilometers behind the frontline!

Kusituppo
05-14-2004, 06:26 AM
Well, those are good choises, but I would have used the P-51D http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"A Samurai lives in such a way that he will always be prepared to die." - Hagakure, Bushido code

CRSutton
05-14-2004, 10:57 AM
An army issue comdom. I strictly a rear area support sort of guy.

You know, you could get your a** shot off if you play with some of that other stuff!

ruf9ii
05-14-2004, 11:58 AM
this topic is crazy. why would u wanna go to war?

and u fellus are carrying round MG42's and brownings 50cals?
the mg42 was a 2 man weapons. sure you could operate it single handedly but u wouldnt have fun. dont forget the extra barrel either http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif and the 50 cal is strictly mounted. u must work out a hellava lot to be able to lug that gear around. dont forget ammo either. i know in the AUS army the squad machinegunner carries aroun 18kg of ammo. (btw, they use the m249 SAW ONLY)

Red_Russian13
05-14-2004, 06:19 PM
Ruf9ii...

I don't think the question was specifically what weapon you could personally carry and use...let me check...nope! The question was which weapon you would chose out of specific categories...Obviously, I could not personally carry and use an M2 .50 with ammo. But if a heavy machine gun was needed, that's the weapon I'd chose out of all HMG.

In addition, I don't believe the question was, "Do you want to go to war, if so, which weapons would you chose?" It was merely a hypothetical question...none of us are going to go to war in WORLD WAR TWO, so I think the point was somewhat obvious.

Red Russian

TAGERT.
05-14-2004, 08:45 PM
(1)Platoon MG;
http://www.boyscoutstuff.com/Galleries/Toys/machinegun.jpg

(2)soldier main weapon,
http://www.aisforarmy.com/albums/album03/canadian_sling_shot.jpg

(3)sidearm and
http://www.highwaypatroltv.com/toy-gun-badge.jpg

(4)combat knife.
http://www.thisoldtoy.com/fisher-price/dept-7-playsets/i-fun-w-food/1-pics/knives/fpt7263-fwf-knife.JPG

http://www.geocities.com/grantsenn/kickme.jpg
TAGERT

Resident_Jock
05-14-2004, 09:09 PM
Alright, I didn't read past page 2 but I just want to clarify some mistakes in people's knowledge http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The MP44/STG 44 and the AK 47 are in no way related, other than concept. Externally they may look slightly similar (even though from a critical standpoint you would still be stretching it), but on the inside they were completely different. the AK was not reverse engineered from the STG, it is entirely Kalashnikov's design. He may have been inspired externally by the magazine layout and the intermediate cartridge, but that's about it. Also, the AK didn't see combat in WWII either (It's named the AK47 for a reason!)

Anyhoo, for my weapons:
1) MG 42 (the MG34 may have been "better quality" but it was less effective because those finely crafted parts were more easily dirtied in rough use, and it's barrel took longer to change)

2) M1 Garand. Accept No Substitutes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Either that or...

The M1928 Thompson. Recoil compensator, 50 round drum, vertical foregrip, yeehaw!

3) Colt 1911-A1. Quite possibly the greatest handgun in history.

4) I'm partial to a Kabar, but I'll go with the good ol' E-Tool instead, heheh. Nothing like chopping a man in half and then using the same weapon to bury his *** :P

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