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LeadSpitter_
01-24-2004, 08:03 PM
Oleg should not allow people to sell skins and missions, its ridiculous.

GMX Media Announces Combat Over Europe
http://www.gmxmedia.net/


LONDON, UK - GMX Media today announced that it has secured the worldwide rights to publish - Combat Over Europe. Combat Over Europe is an add-on for IL2 Sturmovik: The Forgotten Battles.

Combat Over Europe for IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles features eight new campaigns, special training features, online cooperative missions, a speech pack to convert Russian and German to English, and a skin pack with ten new skins.

Luftwaffe campaigns include the following:


Berlin 1944-1945 Campaign for the Bf 109 - 100 missions

JV44 1945 Campaign for the Me262 - 40 missions

Poland 1939 Campaign for the Ju87 Stuka - 30 missions

Crimea 1942 Campaign for the Bf 109 - 70 missions

A "what if?" Campaign for the I-153 or I-16 set in 1940 - 100 missions

USAAF and RAF campaigns include the following:


D-Day Tactical campaign flying the P-47D. A retired USAAF P-47 pilot is acting as technical advisor.

Strategic campaign April 15 - June 5, 1944 flying the P51-D in escort for B-17s and B-26s

Battle of Britain (using a non British map) with the Hurricane, Spitfire, 109-E4 , Ju-87B Stuka and Me-110 Zerstorer.

A selection of online cooperative missions include a range of aircraft in both summer and winter conditions. Four dogfight maps are also included, allowing you to host an ongoing Battle of Britain scenario online, a D-Day scenario, and others.

Skin sets allow you to fly with historically correct squadron markings. You may choose the 354th Fighter Group for the P-51D, the 404th Fighter Group for the P47-D, or JV44 for the Me262. Additional skins are available for immediate download via the Skin Library feature.

To set the tone, video footage includes historical newsreels from WWII, including Battle of Britain and D-Day footage. Fifteen training tracks provide instruction on air to air gunnery, with eight training tracks for pilots of the tricky Me 262 jet fighter. Single training missions allow you to test your own skills in the German jet. A separate twelve page PDF document provides classroom style instruction in air to air combat for budding aces.

Further documents include A Short History of JV44, Development of the Me262, Flying the Me262 in FB and Allied Aircraft of D-Day. Cockpit guides are included for the Bf 109, the P47D, the P51D, Ju-87B and the Me 262, as well as takeoff and climb performance charts for the P47-D and P51-D. A German and Russian command chart round out the package.

Release Date: Feb 2004.

More information can be found at HERE

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and then theres this other new skins and mission addon called Battle Over Europe

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/battleovereurope/news_6084960.html
Just Flight doing Battle over Europe


Just Flight and Russian Rocket Games are working on an expansion pack for IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles. First screens inside.


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Just Flight has recently revealed that it is working alongside members of the original IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles development team to create an expansion pack for the game. Battle over Europe, which is currently scheduled for release in February 2004, will chart the progress of battles between the USAAF and Luftwaffe in 1944 and 1945 through no fewer than six campaigns for each faction.



"IL-2 has established itself as the best-loved combat flight sim to date, and we've been working hard since our release of Operation Barbarossa to bring another expansion worthy of the sim," said Mungo Amyatt-Leir, managing director of Just Flight. "We've worked hard with some of the original IL-2 developers to create something really special--a product that blends our reputation for unerring authenticity with some good old-fashioned fun."

Battle over Europe will feature an updated campaign engine that generates missions using 61 different objective types and thousands of potential targets for each of the game's 12 campaigns. According to today's press release, there are potentially more than 3 million unique missions available. The game will also boast a new online dynamic campaign feature that allows players to fly campaigns with others where the results of each mission directly influences the situation in the next.

We'll bring you more information on Battle over Europe as soon as it becomes available.

By Justin Calvert, GameSpot [POSTED: 12/03/03 06:33 AM]



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They shouldnt be allowed to sell skins and missions ever, and the thing that pisses me off is the mustang skins it looks like they used my p51 psd!! The justflight1s mustang rivets line up perfectly to my template which are different then the void and it looks like the same scorched exhaust piece cut off my polished p51d. Maybe they did it spitefully if you remember how I was warning everyone not to buy operation barbarossa which was just skins and missions, they lied and said new aircraft included.

My question is they annouce b26 on the box?? the GMX one maybe a typo of the b25 or just something to make people think you are getting a new plane and want to buy it like previous skins and missions packs made by justflight "operation barbarossa" which claimed to include completely new aircraft.

Just a headsup S`

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[This message was edited by LeadSpitter_ on Sat January 24 2004 at 07:15 PM.]

[This message was edited by LeadSpitter_ on Sat January 24 2004 at 07:17 PM.]

LeadSpitter_
01-24-2004, 08:03 PM
Oleg should not allow people to sell skins and missions, its ridiculous.

GMX Media Announces Combat Over Europe
http://www.gmxmedia.net/


LONDON, UK - GMX Media today announced that it has secured the worldwide rights to publish - Combat Over Europe. Combat Over Europe is an add-on for IL2 Sturmovik: The Forgotten Battles.

Combat Over Europe for IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles features eight new campaigns, special training features, online cooperative missions, a speech pack to convert Russian and German to English, and a skin pack with ten new skins.

Luftwaffe campaigns include the following:


Berlin 1944-1945 Campaign for the Bf 109 - 100 missions

JV44 1945 Campaign for the Me262 - 40 missions

Poland 1939 Campaign for the Ju87 Stuka - 30 missions

Crimea 1942 Campaign for the Bf 109 - 70 missions

A "what if?" Campaign for the I-153 or I-16 set in 1940 - 100 missions

USAAF and RAF campaigns include the following:


D-Day Tactical campaign flying the P-47D. A retired USAAF P-47 pilot is acting as technical advisor.

Strategic campaign April 15 - June 5, 1944 flying the P51-D in escort for B-17s and B-26s

Battle of Britain (using a non British map) with the Hurricane, Spitfire, 109-E4 , Ju-87B Stuka and Me-110 Zerstorer.

A selection of online cooperative missions include a range of aircraft in both summer and winter conditions. Four dogfight maps are also included, allowing you to host an ongoing Battle of Britain scenario online, a D-Day scenario, and others.

Skin sets allow you to fly with historically correct squadron markings. You may choose the 354th Fighter Group for the P-51D, the 404th Fighter Group for the P47-D, or JV44 for the Me262. Additional skins are available for immediate download via the Skin Library feature.

To set the tone, video footage includes historical newsreels from WWII, including Battle of Britain and D-Day footage. Fifteen training tracks provide instruction on air to air gunnery, with eight training tracks for pilots of the tricky Me 262 jet fighter. Single training missions allow you to test your own skills in the German jet. A separate twelve page PDF document provides classroom style instruction in air to air combat for budding aces.

Further documents include A Short History of JV44, Development of the Me262, Flying the Me262 in FB and Allied Aircraft of D-Day. Cockpit guides are included for the Bf 109, the P47D, the P51D, Ju-87B and the Me 262, as well as takeoff and climb performance charts for the P47-D and P51-D. A German and Russian command chart round out the package.

Release Date: Feb 2004.

More information can be found at HERE

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and then theres this other new skins and mission addon called Battle Over Europe

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/battleovereurope/news_6084960.html
Just Flight doing Battle over Europe


Just Flight and Russian Rocket Games are working on an expansion pack for IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles. First screens inside.


more screens (32)
View the slideshow
Screenshot Index
Just Flight has recently revealed that it is working alongside members of the original IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles development team to create an expansion pack for the game. Battle over Europe, which is currently scheduled for release in February 2004, will chart the progress of battles between the USAAF and Luftwaffe in 1944 and 1945 through no fewer than six campaigns for each faction.



"IL-2 has established itself as the best-loved combat flight sim to date, and we've been working hard since our release of Operation Barbarossa to bring another expansion worthy of the sim," said Mungo Amyatt-Leir, managing director of Just Flight. "We've worked hard with some of the original IL-2 developers to create something really special--a product that blends our reputation for unerring authenticity with some good old-fashioned fun."

Battle over Europe will feature an updated campaign engine that generates missions using 61 different objective types and thousands of potential targets for each of the game's 12 campaigns. According to today's press release, there are potentially more than 3 million unique missions available. The game will also boast a new online dynamic campaign feature that allows players to fly campaigns with others where the results of each mission directly influences the situation in the next.

We'll bring you more information on Battle over Europe as soon as it becomes available.

By Justin Calvert, GameSpot [POSTED: 12/03/03 06:33 AM]



------

They shouldnt be allowed to sell skins and missions ever, and the thing that pisses me off is the mustang skins it looks like they used my p51 psd!! The justflight1s mustang rivets line up perfectly to my template which are different then the void and it looks like the same scorched exhaust piece cut off my polished p51d. Maybe they did it spitefully if you remember how I was warning everyone not to buy operation barbarossa which was just skins and missions, they lied and said new aircraft included.

My question is they annouce b26 on the box?? the GMX one maybe a typo of the b25 or just something to make people think you are getting a new plane and want to buy it like previous skins and missions packs made by justflight "operation barbarossa" which claimed to include completely new aircraft.

Just a headsup S`

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[This message was edited by LeadSpitter_ on Sat January 24 2004 at 07:15 PM.]

[This message was edited by LeadSpitter_ on Sat January 24 2004 at 07:17 PM.]

necrobaron
01-24-2004, 08:25 PM
Well,Luthier himself was involved in Battle Over Europe,so you could say it's "semi-official". It has an improved and expanded Dynamic Campaign generator, among other things. Combat Over Europe does indeed seem to be just a rip-off.

LeadSpitter_
01-24-2004, 09:02 PM
well imagine if all the talented people on il2skins.com and the free mission makers stopped making skins for free and we all decidied to sell packs with 20 skins and 100 missions. There would be hundreds of these packs out all selling for 29 bucks.

I thought luthiers addon was going to include new maps and planes not just wavs mis skin and the dynamic campaign generator.

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willyvic
01-24-2004, 10:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
well imagine if all the talented people on il2skins.com and the free mission makers stopped making skins for free and we all decidied to sell packs with 20 skins and 100 missions. There would be hundreds of these packs out all selling for 29 bucks.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the in and out of it. If someone has the capitol, and the talent, they too can publish an "expansion" pack. Even an expansion pack with a title that is bound to be confusingly simular to the "real" expansion pack. One of the drawbacks of having a closed architecture program. Prevents the community from adding additional aircraft and creates a mini monopoly on who can or can't make a buck on this game. Lament all we want, if some want it they will buy it.

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Bearcat99
01-24-2004, 10:35 PM
I wont pay for missions and skins....... maps and planes..thats what I want...... and tweaks in the right direction.

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Old_Canuck
01-24-2004, 11:11 PM
Sorry to hear about your skin rip-off, Lead. Is there a lawyer in the crowd? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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necrobaron
01-24-2004, 11:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
I thought luthiers addon was going to include new maps and planes not just wavs mis skin and the dynamic campaign generator.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This isn't his new project he's working on. It will indeed have new planes,maps,etc. Battle over Europe is supposed to flesh out and provide substance to the new Western Front maps we got in 1.21. I'm confused about this because I would think that FBA would addressed that....

LEXX_Luthor
01-24-2004, 11:55 PM
I can pay for a good map.

A Good map is a Big map.

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TheGozr
01-25-2004, 12:31 AM
YEP I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT SKINS AND CAMPAIGNS I MAKE MY OWNS.


i WANT MAPS!

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VMF-214_HaVoK
01-25-2004, 01:04 AM
Why on earth would anyone pay for this? Skins? Well lest see...the best skinners like Lead, Jambock_55, Hammerd, and many many others already provide us with excellent skins free of cost at www.il2skins.com (http://www.il2skins.com) which I visit several times a day to get the lastest work. Missions? We already have some great mission designers who offer there work to us for free as well. If this wasnt the case then I could justify paying for it, but definately not at the ridiculous cost they are asking.
I personaly have made a thread that was dedicated to thanking the skinners who offer there hard and talented work for free. Although I was a little dissapointed at all the more responses it recieved thanking them as well I think they get the message. And I think they all know we are gratefull for the work they provide.

So once again I S~! all who make skins and missions and offer them for no cost.
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Capt.LoneRanger
01-25-2004, 02:39 AM
You're right, but you're forgetting a slight thing:

Not everybody playing IL2FB has got an internet connection. If they all had, HL would be overcrowded!
So there IS a market for those addons and that's the only thing that matters for this.

To the skinny-thing - well, that's not okay and if it actually WAS your template, they can be in trouble. Of course you'd have to prove this =(


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Extreme_One
01-25-2004, 03:33 AM
I agree that no-one should profit from others talent. If all that is included in a 3rd party paid add-on is 100% original (ie all their own work) then why not?
You do have a choice as to whether or not to part with your cash.

My question is this:-

How do skinners feel about seeing one of their skins in a free campaign? The reason that I ask is that I d/load skins and after a while, forget who's created them in the first place. I like to credit people properly and sometimes feel that I shouldn't include a skin in a campaign if I can't credit it's creator.
What if I said something in my readme like:- "thanks to ALL the skinners out there - you know who you are..." would that be OK?

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

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Ketalar
01-25-2004, 04:19 AM
LeadSpitter_:
I wouldn't worry too much about the GMX team, if the screenies really are by them they don't really know what they're doing (besides, I've seen one of them in the latest issue of the Swedish PCGamer (the one with the I-153's dressed up in Red Baron skins)).

Just look at this, doesn't quite look like the skin's supposed to go on a MkIIc, does it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

http://www.gmxmedia.net/coe/screens/large/5.jpg

necrobaron
01-25-2004, 12:24 PM
Not to mention the Li-2s in British markings. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WUAF_Badsight
01-25-2004, 12:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
.

I thought luthiers addon was going to include new maps and planes not just wavs mis skin and the dynamic campaign generator. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


New Maps ? yes & they were released to us early

.I.E. we have them in FB ... isnt Luthier generous ?

his "Battle over Europe" sounds like a good buy

LeadSpitter_
01-25-2004, 01:03 PM
rgr it looks slightly different looking at it longer, but still looking at the 190s and some of the other screens alot look like 512k skin quality some worse.

I really hope this isnt what luthier planned for an addon, seeing his great work on the ki84 even tho its completely overmodeled in every aspect in FB. Its definatly one of the top models inside and out.

if luthiers ever around we would like to know whats going on, are you just helping with this or is battle over europe the addon you were talking about?

I was hoping to see a few planes and maps in your addon luthier seeing the quality of the ki84. I bet your dying to come back to NY for some pizza, hows that russian food http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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A.K.Davis
01-25-2004, 01:12 PM
Battle over Europe has been known all along as a collaboration between Starshoy and Luthier, adding improved dynamic system and implementing the new West Front content into the package, along with skins, single missions, etc. They never suggested it would include any new 3-D material (maps or aircraft).

Battle over Europe is NOT Luthier's future standalone project, which WILL include aircraft, maps, etc. That product has not even been announced yet.

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LeadSpitter_
01-25-2004, 01:48 PM
Thanks AKD, very good to know. Dont they already have free dynamic campaign generators out? I could have swore i seen them on mudmovers and other sites.

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A.K.Davis
01-25-2004, 08:49 PM
Paul Lowengrin has a utility called Dynamic Campaign Generator (DCG) available, which some prefer to the ingame DGEN (by Starshoy). However, I have also heard many complain that DCG is not entirely user-friendly. The changes coming for DGEN in Battle over Europe may make it the clear winner in the end. We'll see.

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BM357_Raven
01-25-2004, 10:07 PM
Well. I hope everyone still remembers the contributions of Paul. And on a personal level, I hope his DCG stands the test of time.

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LEXX_Luthor
01-25-2004, 10:21 PM
Extreme_One:: http://extremeone.4t.com/images/babyavatar.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The reason that I ask is that I d/load skins and after a while, forget who's created them in the first place.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Easy! Before you click the Download link, cut into memory the paint schemer's name to the left, then in the Download box, wipe out the name the skinner gave (sorry http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif) and replace it with....

Green=Leadspitter
Winter=I16fan
Winter2=I16fan
Nite=Hot Space
Naval=RAGeous

Just type in... "Green=" then paste the paint schemer name, some of them are hideous vile monstrosities that nobody can spell, so just cut~n~past the name. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif (plus you don't want to do a mis~spell).

I have yet to see a paint schemer use the equal sign "=" in their name, so you can seperate the descriptive colour or usage from the paint schemer's name. However, those JG types with names like JG/51... you have to change the "/" to some other symbol because the "/" cannot be used in a file name.

Then, you have a useful system to manage skins and can relate them all to the paint schemer that made them.

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Capt._Tenneal
02-26-2004, 03:12 PM
Well the way things are going (i.e. Mudmovers inactive, Official page inactive, Netwings taking down their file library, other links dead, Check-Six incompatible with the US/UK version of FB) these add-ons soon might be the only way to get new missions and campaigns. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

And for those that can make their own skins and missions, good for you. But I and others either

1) don't know how
2) don't have the time or
3) plain don't want to

make our own skins and missions, so we need some place to get new skins and missions from those kind enough to pass their work on to others (and thank you to those who do).

crazyivan1970
02-26-2004, 03:29 PM
why are you guys so upset over this... let it be http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

V!
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Cess_Wizard
02-26-2004, 03:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Netwings taking down their file library,
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
We will be back with avengence shortly just as soon as we have raised enough money to buy the antileeching software. Almost there :-)

TILLIO
02-26-2004, 04:00 PM
Do you want my euros ?
Give me the maps ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bull_Pup
02-26-2004, 04:11 PM
The following is quoted from the SimHQ interview regarding BoE.

http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_110b.html

Q. Are the new ground objects and maps in your release the ones that are already added in IL2:FB? Or did you create these?

"the new Normandy and Ardennes maps, a few dozen new vehicles, tanks and buildings, as well as the B-17 model were all created to make Battle Over Europe possible. That whole package was released for free as the 1.21 patch for Forgotten Battles, and the other part of our team's work will be released as the commercial Battle Over Europe add-on."

Chuck_Older
02-26-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
well imagine if all the talented people on il2skins.com and the free mission makers stopped making skins for free <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please don't. I have dl'd many of the skins from Il2skins and rate them as top-notch efforts. I can fully understand your anger over the apparent theft of your work.

One thing you may wish to consider is covering your backside in case someone over at GMX decides that YOU have stolen THEIR skins.

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ianboys
02-26-2004, 04:21 PM
Hi all,

1. BATTLE OVER EUROPE is an official add-on with Oleg's blessing. We talked to Oleg a lot about it and Luthier licensed the map tool from Oleg to create the Normandy and Ardennes maps.

2. COMBAT OVER EUROPE is a nonsense add-on by Len. Even the Hurri IIC skin used on his product page is by me and is used without my permission.

The difference is clear. Russian Rocket games contains the people who made things like DGen and the Rata and the Normandy map - they (we) made Battle over Europe.

GMX games - made nothing except a few new missions.

crazyivan1970
02-26-2004, 04:28 PM
hi ian, nice to see ya old friend. How ya been? Are you back for good?

V!
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Ketalar
02-26-2004, 04:30 PM
Long time no see ianboys! Nice to see you on the forum again.

Thanks for clearing this mess up for us, "Combat Over Europe" is clearly something to stay away from then. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Chuck_Older
02-26-2004, 04:42 PM
Ian-
I guess we should all be glad to see your name again, but too bad it's because of something like this.

Maybe you could comment on how these things generally work? I notice you mention things were used without your permission as well and I'm wondering exactly what the deal is.
I think it's pretty safe to say that no matter how much blood sweat and tears I put into an IL*2FB skin, the skin's rights can't be mine because I don't have rights to it in the first place? I can understand how a person would be upset over the use of their work without permission, but is this something that just comes with the territory? In your case, is it different? Actually, I think I just answered my own question http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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ianboys
02-26-2004, 04:55 PM
Hi all and S!

Chuck - I partly feel that once I do a skin anyone can use it for anything except a commercial product. Commercial products should seek permission. Luthier did, got it, and used some of my skins. Len did, was refused, and still used some of my skins. Hmm.

Still, not worth worrying about though. These things have a habit of sorting themselves out ...

Chuck_Older
02-26-2004, 05:00 PM
Thanks, Ian
In my opinion, even if it is legal to use something after permission was asked for and was denied, professional courtesy demands that the refusal be understood and complied with. Crummy situation when professional courtesy is ignored. It can't make someone eager to work with another party when something like that happens.

Thanks for the quick response!

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Capt._Tenneal
02-26-2004, 06:13 PM
Thank you, Ian. Be assured that I (maybe others) are grateful for all the work you, Luthier, Starshoy, Lowengrin, LeadSpitter, Hammerd, AdLabs, etc. have done to support the game and indeed to "add-on" to our enjoyment. And I will still support all you guys even if you do get some commercial reward for your work. Lord knows, compared to the M$ flight sims, every add-on for FB is a rare gift indeed.

Willi_Wombat
02-26-2004, 07:00 PM
Welcome back Leadspitter,
Too bad you're back bytchin'.
After you've gotten the righteous moral support you need here, clam up and get a lawyer. Best of luck, just keep down the whining.
I've checked some of the rivets and they line up very similarly to my template too; which is different THAN (actually 'from') the void.

Stay cool.

WW

Gato-Loco
02-26-2004, 07:00 PM
It seems that Battle over Europe it may be a good buy. There are lots of people that play mainly offline. The dynamic campaign generators are ok, but the missions they generate are repetitive and in most cases can't be compared with good missions created by humans. If somebody is offering a good set of missions, I'll pay a few dollars for it!

Starshoy
02-26-2004, 07:38 PM
Very glad to see Ian online again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Regarding BoE, everything is explained in a quoted Luthier's interview at SimHQ. Originally we were not sure we would be able to make any maps and objects, but then this opportunity presented itself. In ideal world, maps, planes and campaigns would be published and released together, but the world is not ideal. So we only had a choice of releasing the maps and objects for free and the rest for money. We decided it was worth it, both for us and for the community. By any standards it was a huge work and we have nothing to be ashamed of. I am certain that BoE offers the best Western Front experience in IL-2 universe available now, and will be made so much better after AEP release and a patch.

Anyway, our next project will be closer to the ideal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Bull_Pup
02-26-2004, 08:12 PM
Starshoy,

It was that interview which prompted me to buy boe.

Specificaly the portion regarding your teams willingness to release those maps/aircraft for free.

I appreciate the fact that someone would create a labor of love and make the nescessary concesions to bring the project to fruition, with financial gain a secondary concern and a love of this sim a primary concern.

Im hoping BoE arrives 2morrow, cant wait to get my hands on it.

Extreme_One
02-27-2004, 05:36 AM
After a lot of deliberation I've turned down the offer by Combat Planes to work on an add-on CD to be published by GMX Media.

The main reason for me was that to turn my hobby into a 'job' would most likely kill the enjoyment for me.

So you'll see my stuff around (for free) for a while yet! (not going to help get me a new Graphics card though is it?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

http://extremeone.4t.com/images/raf_sig.jpg

Bo_Nidle
02-27-2004, 06:18 AM
The CoE people contacted me by E-mail in november last year and expressed an interest in using my work in a then un-named add-on.They also asked if I would be interested in any future work.I said okay.

However the e-mail also suggested that i would receive payment for my work.The prospect of getting paid for my hobby was too tempting.I then heard nothing further and thought little more of it until about a week or so ago when another member of the skinning community contacted me and asked if I knew that my work had been used and the add-on was being released.
On checking and contacting the company involved I was told that I had agreed to allow my work to be used for a complimentary copy of the add-on,which was not correct.Unfortunately I did not keep the e-mail from them.

If you check out my work on www.il2skins.com (http://www.il2skins.com) you will see that I now add a condition at the end of the read-me.The above is the reason why.I would have not only negotiated any monies for my self but also on behalf of Avirex who's templates I gratefully use and always acknowledge.I have seen some screenshots and it would appear,but at this stage cannot confirm,that they may have used some of my early Mustangs which used Porcupine1's template.I would have also done the same on his behalf.

I have to admit that it is flattering to think that someone thinks my work is good enough for commercial use but if our work is used for this purpose then we should receive appropriate recompense.

The flipside of this is that,as someone has already pointed out,not everyone is able to download skins off the internet or has the time to make missions/campaigns so they can benefit from this sort of add-on.

I suppose it was only a matter of time before this sort of thing happened considering the quality of work that is posted on a regular basis.

I have to say that I have seen the screenshots from BoE and they do appear to be impressive.

I guess that I will have to put this down to experience.



Bo_Nidle

"You've got to treat your kite like you treat your woman.Get inside her five times a day and take her to Heaven and back"
Lord Flashheart RFC 1917

[This message was edited by Bo_Nidle on Fri February 27 2004 at 05:36 AM.]

blow1949
02-27-2004, 08:57 AM
Interesting thread. As a games reviewer, I got preview code of both Op Barbarossa and Battle Over Europe from Just Flight, who probably won't send me anymore since my review was hardly flattering. There's nothing wrong with the graphics, engine or anything else of these 'expansion packs', since its the same FB one we all enjoy. What annoys me is that these are mods, skins and missions avaliable, free, if anyone cared to trawl the forums for them. It pisses me off that a corporate entity can do a little work and sell it on the back of Mr Maddox and co's great work. A lot of these missions are flawed,too, as a lot of fan-created missions tend to be, since I suspect the time wasn't taken to playtest all of them. In the end, there is nothing inherently wrong with these games, but they are not worth the money and do the original game no credit.
I have just downloaded a BoB campaign for FB which is a case in point.It's fun and flawed in places, but if the map is altered so that it isn't a portion of the Gulf Of Finland but the south coast of England, you could easily see that popping up on the shelves for 20 or more.
Oleg has an intellectual property here and really should take more care about who starts flying with his wings.

Huxley_S
02-27-2004, 09:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I am certain that BoE offers the best Western Front experience in IL-2 universe available now, and will be made so much better after AEP release and a patch.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you mean "after AEP release and a patch"? How will this make it better?

btw I've just bought BoE at Game and I'm really looking forward to playing it when I get home from work!

Capt._Tenneal
02-27-2004, 09:51 AM
I'm thinking of getting BoE too, but since AEP will be here soon, I'm planning on getting AEP first. I'm uninstalling my current FB and doing a clean install of FB with AEP to bring everything current as far as the official release, then buying any add-ons after that.

Starshoy
02-27-2004, 09:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huxley_S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I am certain that BoE offers the best Western Front experience in IL-2 universe available now, and will be made so much better after AEP release and a patch.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you mean "after AEP release and a patch"? How will this make it better?

btw I've just bought BoE at Game and I'm really looking forward to playing it when I get home from work!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There will be post-AEP patch for BoE, adding new careers - P-38 fighter-bomber, Me-163 rocket interceptor, BF-110 as interceptor, Ju-87 D5 as a night bomber. The patch is ready, it is being tested and tuned. Of course, existing careers will be expanded too to include new P-51 models.

DONB3397
02-27-2004, 10:37 AM
There are conflicting "takes" or understandings in this thread. And there is a lot we don't know.

Was this game created by independent skinners and mission-makers specifically for the product under license? Or were some or all of the components stolen from the talented and generous members of this community?

If the skins and missions were stolen, or (in Bo Nidle's situation) taken in a thinly veiled scam, the game company (COE) and distributor(s) need to be sanctioned...nailed, if possible.

Unfortunately, there don't appear to be any penalties for intellectual dishonesty. In our eyes, they may be virtual thieves, but to my knowlege there are no international laws or agencies to deal with them. No copyrights have been recorded. In that case, the best we can hope for is that our loosely organized network of simmers can tag them and cause people not to buy the product...to boycott it.

There is a worse outcome possible, however. What if this is successful? What happens when the master skinners and mission-makers and programmers can have their work stolen from the forums or personal websites, modified in some insignificant way, and sold as original?

And what happens if the accountants at 1C and Ubi notice that this after-market "accessory" increases game or add-on sales?

Leadspitter is right to be concerned, I think. It could damage the base of this extraordinary community of simmers, hobbiests, historians, artists and writers we all care about.

Perhaps the game reviewers, game pubs and other mouthpieces in the industry will throw light on this issue and take a position.

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It's the only thing!
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[This message was edited by DONB3397 on Fri February 27 2004 at 09:55 AM.]

Capt._Tenneal
02-27-2004, 10:38 AM
Thanks for the info, Starshoy. Looking forward to getting BoE and patch after AEP comes out. Continued success to Russian Rocket.

I saw the movies of BoE on Just Flight's website, they look cool. I have a modest PC though, so all those B-17s in the sky will hurt my FPS http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. You guys need to update the Russian Rocket logo, though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif it looks like a child's drawing.

Aztek_Eagle
02-27-2004, 11:27 AM
why dont you complain about him giving u free stuff like tha ki84s and pacific online map, the ardenes and normandy maps, he could have hold all that for his battle over europe and the pacific add on or stand alone

SeaFireLIV
02-27-2004, 11:30 AM
Starshoy, I am really interested to check these new and improved campaigns out. Good stuff.

SeaFireLIV...

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/P47duck.jpg

JG52_wunsch
02-27-2004, 11:55 AM
hi
i don t know if you ve seen this to,fall blau
addon its the same missions and skins(its posted over at simhq,cheers

http://www.webdesign-roessler.de/KUNDEN2/x1/index.php?lg=e&view=produkt&id_kat_produkt=7&id_ukat_produkt=10

[This message was edited by JG52_wunsch on Fri February 27 2004 at 11:07 AM.]

Huxley_S
02-27-2004, 12:00 PM
Well I'm delighted to find that the German campaign in BoE is primarily flying the Bf109 G6 series... just had a bunch of P47s for breakfast... yum yum!

CanonUK
02-27-2004, 12:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
rgr it looks slightly different looking at it longer, but still looking at the 190s and some of the other screens alot look like 512k skin quality some worse.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The skins in the 'Battle Over Europe' addon were made by myself and Sooty/Scoot. Scoot did not use your Mustang skin, Leadspitter. He made it himself, entirely by scratch. And I'm sorry if you're not a fan of my 190s, but I assure you they are not 512k.

I guess the take-home message is if you don't like paying for skins, don't buy this pack. But you'll be missing out on some amazing missions (made by Ian Boys) and a revamped DGEN.

http://www.uploadit.org/CanonUK/images.php (http://www.il2skins.com/?action=list&authoridfilter=CanonUK&comefrom=top5&ts=1072752942)

Capt._Tenneal
02-27-2004, 12:42 PM
From what I know the "Fall Blau" add-on is the next project of OSS1, who did the "Unternehmen Barbarossa" campaign also released by Just Flight.

But isn't Fall Blau the operation that led to Stalingrad ? 350 German missions ? That's a lot of flying for just one operation, almost an entire war's worth.

JG52_wunsch
02-27-2004, 02:05 PM
yeah,correct fall blau was summer of 42.i ve been playing the demo its not bad.but then again
i liked the barbarossa(for il2 it din t work very well with fb)campaign,cheers

Bull_Pup
02-27-2004, 04:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aztek_Eagle:
why dont you complain about him giving u free stuff like tha ki84s and pacific online map, the ardenes and normandy maps, he could have hold all that for his battle over europe and the pacific add on or stand alone<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

precisely Aztec,

The BoE team licenses (read $$$) the map creation tools from Oleg, then they create Ardennes, Normandy, B-17, numerous vehicle and ground objects and GIVE them to Oleg for FREE incorporation into a forgotten battles patch.

The average FB user benefitted, even without purchasing BoE. And some are not aware of that point it seems.

Boe includes a new campaign generator and perhaps its best feature, online dynamic campaigns. Online dymanic campaigns alone make it worth the $$ to me.

So what if alot of the material is available for free? I am more than happy to give a little something back to the people who's work I have enjoyed and taken for granted.

Huxley_S
02-27-2004, 05:05 PM
and it looks like this...

http://www.totallyradio.com/fb_shots/3.jpg

If it weren't for these guys there'd be no B17 or a Normandy map to shoot them down over.

Worth the proce of admission I reckon.

bird_brain
02-27-2004, 05:41 PM
Wow, everyone who makes the most significant contributions to this game are hashing it out together in the same thread!!!

If you are still looking, I have a question for starshoy. Is your new DGen for offline campaigns included in the AEP?
I have used the Ardennes map to make an offline campaign and greatly appreciate the effort that went into creating it. It was great to get it for free as a patch. I will buy BOE just to pay you back for the new maps.

I agree that if anyone is going to use skins to sell for profit, they should ask for permission and give proper credit, but unfortunately if you upload them to the internet for public consumption, you (we) are basically giving them away.

It also does take extensive testing to make missions work and I know because I had to rewrite my little 20 missions about 3 times until they finally worked right. That kind of investment deserves some compensation unless you truely do it for the enjoyment like some people out there (insert names like extreme_one here... good move not taking that job, you may still enjoy FB for a while longer).

If people want to buy add on packs, all I can say is look closely before you decide which ones to buy. There isn't much competition out there in the flight sim market right now so alot of people are going to try to jump on FB's coat tails and publish half baked add ons that would not even get DL'ed if they were free.

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Bull_Pup
02-29-2004, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huxley_S:

Worth the proce of admission I reckon.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Agreed Huxley. The first time I escorted a group of 17's at 22,000ft I knew I was in love with BoE. The contrails where almost beautiful. EAW popped into my mind.

I respect the Axis pilots, and I love their machines, but I never got into flying as part of the third reich.

I respect the VVS pilots and love the IL2, but again I never got into flying their aircraft.

I enjoy flying the RAF campaign, but I really want to fly it in a spit. I enjoyed the USAAF real deal campaign, but I longed for something other than a p-47.

For me BoE is exactly what I was looking for. I love the stang and have since the first time I ever saw/heard one at an airshow with my Grandfather. I truly get into flying it.

Please dont take this as a slight on any other campaigns Ive mentioned. The RAF and USAAF REAL DEAL campaigns are simply brilliant and I thouroughly enjoyed Poymando's p51 campaign.

Its a compliment towards BoE and not a slight towards the other campaigns Ive enjoyed.

Extreme_One
02-29-2004, 07:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bull_Pup:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huxley_S:

Worth the proce of admission I reckon.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Agreed Huxley. The first time I escorted a group of 17's at 22,000ft I knew I was in love with BoE. The contrails where almost beautiful. EAW popped into my mind.

I respect the Axis pilots, and I love their machines, but I never got into flying as part of the third reich.

I respect the VVS pilots and love the IL2, but again I never got into flying their aircraft.

I enjoy flying the RAF campaign, but I really want to fly it in a spit. I enjoyed the USAAF real deal campaign, but I longed for something other than a p-47.

For me BoE is exactly what I was looking for. I love the stang and have since the first time I ever saw/heard one at an airshow with my Grandfather. I truly get into flying it.

Please dont take this as a slight on any other campaigns Ive mentioned. The RAF and USAAF REAL DEAL campaigns are simply brilliant and I thouroughly enjoyed Poymando's p51 campaign.

Its a compliment towards BoE and not a slight towards the other campaigns Ive enjoyed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope you're going to enjoy my next project too!

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/simplysimon-raf_sig.jpg

Bull_Pup
02-29-2004, 07:26 AM
If you create it they will come!

The creativity of your campaign's is almost addictive. Your missions show of the beauty of IL2's enviroments. I loved some of the sunrise/sunset missions. Then there are moments like flying the confiscated 190. Or the no fuel p-47 landing mission.

The day you release a spit campaign will be the day I schedule two weeks vacation. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(even if its not a spit campaign, Im still anxious to see what developing. No hints! I want to be suprised. lol.)

Extreme_One
02-29-2004, 07:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bull_Pup:
If you create it they will come!

The creativity of your campaign's is almost addictive. Your missions show of the beauty of IL2's enviroments. I loved some of the sunrise/sunset missions. Then there are moments like flying the confiscated 190. Or the no fuel p-47 landing mission.

The day you release a spit campaign will be the day I schedule two weeks vacation. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Kind words indeed!

I'm really glad that you mentioned a couple of my favourite things namely sunrise/sunset missions. I've incorporated them into the next project too and they feel just right!

Also I really like to experiment with unusual scenarios such as those you mentioned :- "Then there are moments like flying the confiscated 190. Or the no fuel p-47 landing mission."

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/simplysimon-raf_sig.jpg

Bull_Pup
02-29-2004, 07:47 AM
One other thing which I thougth was realistic,

The raf campaign, it begins with a nav check flight, then a gunnery check flight, etc.

It truly gives the kind of feeling Ive read about in ww2 combat aviation books by fighter pilots. That "new kid on the block, show us you can fly the thing, then we will let you start the real missions." kind of feeling.

As you are well aware, new arrivals flew as wingman and longed for a chance to prove themselves as element leader. Most waited for what seemed like an eternity (to them) for their chance.

Those first baby step missions in the RAF campaign add to that feeling.

not sure if that was what you were after, but I suspect it might be.

wotan111
02-29-2004, 09:01 AM
Ive just ordered BOE as it looks good and I believe people who were involved in the making of IL2 made it.

It appears like a semi official add on.

I wouldnt go near GMX COE no way.

One question in the aces add on is there a dynamic campaign over europe included?

As thats what Im after flying over real maps of europe instead of the stock maps in IL2 FB in a spitfire pretending its europe. This isnt a knock at all as a mod it was fantatic but if Im paying I want the real maps.

Wotan111