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Mirtma
02-24-2004, 06:00 AM
For my broken GF4200ti 128, I can get:
R9600 Pro,
GF FX 5700, or
GF FX 5600 ultra. (for additional payment of course). What kind of experience do you have with those graphics? Which card do you recommend?

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*** broken****waiting new******
** GeForce 4200 Ti 128Mb 8xAGP **
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[This message was edited by Mirtma on Tue February 24 2004 at 10:20 PM.]

Mirtma
02-24-2004, 06:00 AM
For my broken GF4200ti 128, I can get:
R9600 Pro,
GF FX 5700, or
GF FX 5600 ultra. (for additional payment of course). What kind of experience do you have with those graphics? Which card do you recommend?

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I've copyed this post from tech. forum because general has more input/output. Sorry for inconvenience.

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Athlon 2000 XP+
1024 Mb DDram
*** broken****waiting new******
** GeForce 4200 Ti 128Mb 8xAGP **
*** broken****waiting new******
SB Live! 1024 Player
Logitech WingMan Force 3D
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[This message was edited by Mirtma on Tue February 24 2004 at 10:20 PM.]

MatuDa_
02-24-2004, 07:13 AM
I'd take the r9600pro.

LEXX_Luthor
02-24-2004, 07:19 AM
9600 Pro ... why?

Were you happy with the colours of the 4200? If yes, go FX. If no...

Instead of getting a Ti4200 I just bought (on Friday) an ATI~9200 because "everybody" says the Radeon colours are more real life and I am very Happy with my ATI colours (I didn't want the Nvida colours). And I am getting great fps at high res with mostly Excellent settings so *you* should get alot more with 9600Pro or be able to run Full Beauty settings (as Michapma puts it). I just got it the other day, still experimenting with it, and am still using the drivers that came on CD. Install was a breeze, by the book. I was really worried cos "everybody" said ATI's drivers don't work with games as well as Nvida but my CD driver is dated last August so I think its fairly new so "everybody" was wrong--I should have known that.

joke ---> Also, they say you can't hear your FB engine sounds over the FX series cooling fan (haha just kidding but they say they are loud).

I also saved 50$+ by going 9200.


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Afreaka
02-24-2004, 07:22 AM
I have the 9600pro and it is somewhat faster. It's decent now a major part of the driver glitches have been ironed out. Had the 4200ti, it burned out too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

clint-ruin
02-24-2004, 07:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Afreaka:
I have the 9600pro and it is somewhat faster. It's decent now a major part of the driver glitches have been ironed out. Had the 4200ti, it burned out too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's really strange - my Ti4200 OTES [4200 w/ FX style fan/gigantic heatsink/heatpipe] burned out recently too, now all I see seems to be 'dead 4200' posts.

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BaldieJr
02-24-2004, 07:29 AM
You WILL upgrade your graphics card in 2 years.

The Ti4200 is repairable, but it requires some soldering, which is something no computer 'technician' would ever do. A TV/VCR repair guy might do it.

The capacitors are dried out. There is too much warmth in a computer case. Use your motherboard long enough and its' capacitors will dry out too.

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carguy_
02-24-2004, 10:39 AM
You lucky devil!Yikes,it`s like a sweepstake lottery hehehe.


Ultra will always be better.If you have to choose only from those two then Ultra it is.

Really though if you wanna know,GFX are sh!t compared to their conterpart RAdeons.

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Cold_Gambler
02-24-2004, 01:10 PM
I went from R8500 to R9600XT and am very happy with it. Never had a nVidia card, also never had any issues with ATI drivers (also had a R7500 before the 8500).

cuski
02-24-2004, 02:18 PM
Quick question for you: you say broken, but we don't really now what that means.


My Ti4600 crapped out on me last weekend, I started getting artifacts and occasionally locking up when playing games. My initial diagnostic: obviously a cooling problem - especially considering that the fan on it was quite noisy at times.


So I went out and bought myself a Thermaltake cooler, for the mere price of $20 (CDN), replaced it, and voila! I saved meself a few hundred dollars easily.

What you have to ask yourself is... does your card still have warranty? Are you still happy with it? Depending on the answers, it might be worth saving it. Or not.

Mirtma
02-24-2004, 11:28 PM
I have VGA TT Copper Cooler on Ti4200, so cooling wasnt't problem. Card have warranty & I've already send it to seller. They've offerd me GF FX5600, but I refuse it (lower performance than old card). Then they offerd me R9600 Pro,
GF FX 5700, or GF FX 5600 ultra (for additional payment of course)

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Athlon 2000 XP+
1024 Mb DDram
*** broken****waiting new******
** GeForce 4200 Ti 128Mb 8xAGP **
*** broken****waiting new******
SB Live! 1024 Player
Logitech WingMan Force 3D
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aerick2
02-25-2004, 12:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:

It's really strange - my Ti4200 OTES [4200 w/ FX style fan/gigantic heatsink/heatpipe] burned out recently too, now all I see seems to be 'dead 4200' posts.

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You guys are making me nervous.. My 4200 is about a year and a half old.. I don't have the cash for a new one yet!!

Although, FB looks sexy as hell on my dad's Geforce FX 5700 Ultra...

MatuDa_
02-25-2004, 12:27 AM
The price for radeon9800pro128:s are fairly low so I'd consider asking for that if you have some more money to throw in. The performance boost is incredible.

Bearcat99
02-25-2004, 05:59 AM
I just picked up a 9800Pro for $199 last week.

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VW-IceFire
02-25-2004, 06:03 AM
The R9600Pro or the FX5700 are fairly evenly matched cards. Avoid the FX5600 like the plague...

If you like the nVidia products stay with the FX 5700...which is a very good card. If you don't really care...the ATI one is also top notch. They are both a little different but overall good cards. I actually suspect the 5700 is a bit faster than the 9600Pro (the XT and the 5700 are equivalent).

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SeaFireLIV
02-25-2004, 06:09 AM
I`m getting nervous too. All these TI4200s conking out! I really like mine as well, very good card... I`ve only had it about six months, so I should have another year and a half without worry...

I hope.

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clint-ruin
02-25-2004, 07:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cuski:
Quick question for you: you say _broken_, but we don't really now what that means.
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Abit hardware got themselves a reputation for 'capacitor problems'. About a year ago, you might remember a story that did the rounds that a large number of Taiwanese firms had bought capacitors from a firm which had aquired their capacitor electrolyte mix through industrial espionage. Unfortunately, they didn't copy it well enough, and the capacitors they put out were reknown for 'popping' after a certain amount of time. Though a great many Taiwanese firms had used the capacitors, Abit were one of the few firms with enough balls to say what was happening and why.

Capacitors drying out, is, these days, quite a rare thing to have happen during the lifetime of a product. Certainly in the timeframe of 2 years or so, it's going to be fairly far down the list of mean-time-between-failure items on a card.

In the case of my card it's the exacerbation of an existing problem that a number of people with the OTES cards had - excessive cooling through the OTES system would cause the card to display garbed ANSI looking colour codes instead of a windows desktop.

Now it does that all the time, even without the fancy pants cooler. It's kind of strange since the card itself passes its own self test and allows the machine to POST and load windows just fine - it just never actually displays anything other than trippy colours on the monitor :&lt;

It is quite likely to be something broken in the Ti4200 post-filter circuits [before being passed to a DVI/VGA plug, the signal goes through some fairly ordinary radio-shack style hardware to make the image look 'right'], but without another reference card to stick a multimeter onto, it's kind of a waste of time looking for what that might be.

9600xts and 5700s are damned cheap at the moment so .. :&gt;

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BaldieJr
02-25-2004, 08:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
I`m getting nervous too. All these TI4200s conking out! I really like mine as well, very good card... I`ve only had it about six months, so I should have another year and a half without worry...

I hope.

SeaFireLIV...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The good news is that you'll know if you need new capacitors, and any tv/vcr shop should be able to replace them fairly cheaply.

On the Ti4200's (which seem to fall victim to dry caps often), the 2d stuff will work fine, while 3d will gets screwy, even to the point of locking up. If I had a digital camera, I could show you exactly where the problem is, as I have one of these cards that needs repair.

If you want to make it last longer, keep case-temps down.

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dannnyjos
02-26-2004, 08:23 PM
Yeah, avoid 5600 FX, even if they tell you that it has 256 RAM. I'd go 5700 FX ultra. Slightly fater than the 9600. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

JG6_Oddball
02-26-2004, 08:33 PM
hey badie I use to work in a tv/vcr repair shop...its not that hard to replace copac's $20 of gear from radio shack and your ready to go, if the guy with the bad vid card would like to try i will be happy to mail him HOW TO instructions.

S!

ninjaboyelroy
02-27-2004, 05:09 AM
I just switched from the nvidia TI 4200 to the ATI 9800 Pro. I will admit that there was an improvement in the graphics but I really do miss the digital brightness. The colours are very muted now. If I had to do it all over again I would stick with nvidia.

Mirtma
03-25-2004, 11:11 PM
Well I thought that you might want to know... Yesterday I've finally got a word from shop (where I've returned my broken Ti4200). Card has capacitors problem. On monday I'll get Radeon 9600/256 for excange. A month of waiting!

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altstiff
03-26-2004, 12:26 AM
GF FX 5700 is the way to go

See you in the fence....

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Skullin
03-26-2004, 10:47 AM
yeah, i hate to say it , but i'm on my 2nd 4200 now, and i can see it starting to go already. little green things on the desktop occasionally- which is what happned last time before it eventually stopped working altogether. I have the OTES abit one as well. something about the 4200's that just wasn't done right... and this will be my last nVidia card !

SwingerSpecial
03-26-2004, 08:12 PM
I assume that the first 4200 that got cooked was also an Abit card, and this is the replacement for it? Do you know if you received a brand new card or was this an RMA return? Even though those returns are supposed to be factory reconditioned, the chances of receiving a bad one are greater that with a brand new product. IMHO.

If the cards are dying, send the "thank you" cards to the right address (the company that actually made the card) instead of barking up the wrong tree (chipset manufacturer).