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FAB_Devil
03-01-2004, 10:32 PM
Oleg,

see this image where the brazilian pilot "Raymundo Canário" landed your P-47 in Pisa (Italy) after collided with a chimney of a factory and lost 1,28 meters of a wing. This is not incredible?

http://fabdevil.hpg.com.br/FAB/IL2FB/Bugs1/P-47_Danificado.jpg

After this, I think which you need review your FM (Flight Model).


Thanks,

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FAB_Devil
03-01-2004, 10:32 PM
Oleg,

see this image where the brazilian pilot "Raymundo Canário" landed your P-47 in Pisa (Italy) after collided with a chimney of a factory and lost 1,28 meters of a wing. This is not incredible?

http://fabdevil.hpg.com.br/FAB/IL2FB/Bugs1/P-47_Danificado.jpg

After this, I think which you need review your FM (Flight Model).


Thanks,

FAB_Devil
"Traidores e covardes no sero perdoados!"
FAB Brazilian Official Team

Senta a Pua!
1º/1º Grupo de Aviaço de Caça Senta a Pua!
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chris455
03-01-2004, 11:22 PM
I wonder if that's my famous "flew through a brick wall" Thunderbolt?

What a kicka$$ airplane.

S!

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Oleg_Maddox
03-01-2004, 11:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FAB_Devil:
Oleg,

see this image where the brazilian pilot "Raymundo Canário" landed your P-47 in Pisa (Italy) after collided with a chimney of a factory and lost 1,28 meters of a wing. This is not incredible?

After this, I think which you need review your FM (Flight Model).

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I absolutely don't think, that we need to review FM. And in our case we even can't get the same damage. And I don't see here anything increadible. We have hundreds such photos just for Il-2 plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

LuftKuhMist
03-02-2004, 12:43 AM
I'd like to see such pics. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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hobnail
03-02-2004, 02:18 AM
Almost as good as this story (http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com/f15wing.asp) which is well known in flight enthusiast circles.

http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com/images/F15Wing2.jpg

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AnaK774
03-02-2004, 04:58 AM
Someone had to mix the day... its not 1st of April... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-02-2004, 07:26 AM
I agree with Oleg here. If the DM was able to show this type of damage it would certainly apply to the IL2 as well.

This isn't a flaw in the DM in the game but more a support issue for the game engine.

Possibly in BoB? I don't know. Being able to sustain this type of damage and still fly that crate back to safety would be very cool.



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p1ngu666
03-02-2004, 08:10 AM
alot of planes could take similer damage and fly and we cant in il2
several instances of american p40s giving jap planes the chop.
one pilot said it didnt change the handling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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zugfuhrer
03-03-2004, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by FAB_Devil:
Oleg,

see this image where the brazilian pilot "Raymundo Canário" landed your P-47 in Pisa (Italy) after collided with a chimney of a factory and lost 1,28 meters of a wing. This is not incredible?

http://fabdevil.hpg.com.br/FAB/IL2FB/Bugs1/P-47_Danificado.jpg

After this, I think which you need review your FM (Flight Model).


Thanks,

FAB_Devil
"Traidores e covardes no sero perdoados!"
FAB Brazilian Official Team

Senta a Pua!
1º/1º Grupo de Aviaço de Caça Senta a Pua!
Os Jambocks

ICQ 38792295
It looks like a Fw-damaged by a hit on its weak spot, but I havnt been able to land with such damage. Did it collide with the chimney in the air?

WWMaxGunz
03-03-2004, 08:59 AM
Why review the FLIGHT MODEL over something the DAMAGE MODEL doesn't cover????

Those guys are sitting way out on the wing, if you look at the picture closely. 1.28 meters gone from a wingspan of what, over 10 meters? And the guy could still land the plane but did he not even notice the difference?
I've flown and landed planes in IL2/FB with big holes in one wing and no working control surfaces on that side. I'd dare say the condition was worse than missing the end of a wing.

Why all these threads over problems that are only in the understandings of the posters? Even with help it seems someone needs a flashlight to get his head out of a dark place. Maybe we have a new creature, a new strain of whiner trying to create problems where there is nothing real. Perhaps just a stab at revenge from a CFS fan? Maybe CFS can handle losing a wingtip and still fly like a UFO? Of course maybe you have to tweak the open model a bit, lets get those details from Oleg so we can all play at that?


Neal

XyZspineZyX
03-03-2004, 01:05 PM
The point you all seem to miss is that, although these planes did land, there were likely MANY more that came to a similar condition that didn't.

So, don't point to examples like this, and then whine, "Well, when that 109 blew my wing off, I didn't make it home. Waaaaa!"

These pilots and others (I recall there being a Japanese pilot who gained legend by bringing home a Ki-27 with about a third of the port wing gone, and an Israeli F-15 pilot who landed his 1.5-wing Eagle after a collision) were extremely lucky to have landed their planes. Simply, it wasn't their time to go. But, that does not equate to coding that allows any large percentage of planes to be flyable in that condition.

Tetrapack
03-03-2004, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
We have hundreds such photos just for Il-2 plane :).

Oleg, I would like to see such photos :)

Good photos of Il-2's are rare in Western sources, especially "in action". Mostly the only good pictures are from captured Sturmoviks.

The Il-2 is a very fascinating plane and its still my favorite plane to fly in FB.

FAB_Devil
03-21-2004, 01:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FAB_Devil:
Oleg,

see this image where the brazilian pilot "Raymundo Canário" landed your P-47 in Pisa (Italy) after collided with a chimney of a factory and lost 1,28 meters of a wing. This is not incredible?

After this, I think which you need review your FM (Flight Model).

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I absolutely don't think, that we need to review FM. And in our case we even can't get the same damage. And I don't see here anything increadible. We have hundreds such photos just for Il-2 plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oleg, now which I see which you know which is possible to an airplane fly in these conditions, then why is impossible fly in similar conditions in IL2FB?

Moreover, for me, you don't consider the mass of air from propeller and do a significant importance for external wings section.

See this image where a P-47D-27 doesn't take-off without external wings section at 320Km/h.
http://fabdevil.hpg.com.br/FAB/IL2FB/Bugs1/P-47D-27_1944_06.jpg

and now, see this image where the same P-47D-27, without a external section of a unique wing, show a sustentation at 80Km/h.
http://fabdevil.hpg.com.br/FAB/IL2FB/Bugs1/P-47D-27_1944_07.jpg

Please, a P-47D-27 may load 2000lb of bombs and, in these tests, the loadout is empty and the fuel is in 25%.

See now this P-38L with two engines at 360Km/h. 360Km/h with two engines sending air for internal wings section isn't sufficient to do this plane fly?!
http://fabdevil.hpg.com.br/FAB/IL2FB/Bugs1/P-38L_1944_01.jpg

I see too which a mass of air from propeller to the rudder is small in the IL2FB because which, when you do a hammerhead, the plane rotate very slow. In real hammerheads is easy see which planes rotate fast when the power is high.

Please, consider the speed and the mass of air from propeller to do more sustentation for the internal wings section and reduce the sustentation for the external wings section.

Actualy, fly in IL2FB is very unreal.

Hartmann.
03-21-2004, 02:42 PM
ROFLMAO!!!!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

RxMan
03-21-2004, 02:47 PM
There is a significant difference in flying ability of a plane when trying to take off as opposed to landing (controlled crash). A BIG DIFFERENCE.

VW-IceFire
03-21-2004, 03:08 PM
Not even McDonald Douglas's flight model system for the real F-15 was able to simulate the loss of an entire wing. Infact when the Iraeli airforce contacted them and asked them the question they were told it was impossible. Except that there was a plane on the tarmac that proved otherwise.

Computer simulations are tricky things. Ones on home machines you shouldn't be expecting that level of detail from.

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WWMaxGunz
03-21-2004, 03:12 PM
IIRC there was a thing in C. Yeagers autobio where in training he or one of his buddies clipped a chimney or pole and I do forget if the thing or the wing won and the pilot did land okay.

Hard to believe someone whining over such a thing.
What, get killed online cause ya couldn't land?
Such a big thing, we all should worry now!


Neal

FAB_Devil
03-21-2004, 05:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RxMan:
There is a significant difference in flying ability of a plane when trying to take off as opposed to landing (controlled crash). A BIG DIFFERENCE.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

360Km/h for a P-38L ins't a BIG DIFFERENCE too when it may take-off at 140Km/h?!

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