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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 07:29 PM
I just played on greatergreen, we were at least 3 messerchmitts chasing an enemy fighter i think it was a P39. I happened to shoot it down, next thing i know im shot to pieces by someone my team, "thats for stealing my kill hehe" he said. That of course is the sure sign of a loser tker. Imo if 3(!) ppl chase the same fighter noone has the exclusive right to claim it, free game for all. Just ruined the whole game so i left shortly. Bleh.



Message Edited on 06/24/03 06:30PM by Olli_72

Message Edited on 06/24/03 07:10PM by Olli_72

Message Edited on 06/24/0307:12PM by Olli_72

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 07:29 PM
I just played on greatergreen, we were at least 3 messerchmitts chasing an enemy fighter i think it was a P39. I happened to shoot it down, next thing i know im shot to pieces by someone my team, "thats for stealing my kill hehe" he said. That of course is the sure sign of a loser tker. Imo if 3(!) ppl chase the same fighter noone has the exclusive right to claim it, free game for all. Just ruined the whole game so i left shortly. Bleh.



Message Edited on 06/24/03 06:30PM by Olli_72

Message Edited on 06/24/03 07:10PM by Olli_72

Message Edited on 06/24/0307:12PM by Olli_72

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 07:37 PM
Three 109 chasing a P-39...

thats what I`d call brave!



Besides that, I mean you can post what you want, but personally I don`t appreciate online-whining to much on these forums.

Clear it up with that guy at Hyperlobby, or just live with it.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 07:41 PM
I take it you have no problems with tkers then?

And as for beeing brave? That has nothing to do with it, if your reasoning were the norm then allies were just a bunch of cowards since german pilots were totally outnumbered late in the war.

And i dont use Hyperlobby.

So, you dont like "online whining"? then dont bother to reply to the post.



Message Edited on 06/24/03 06:44PM by Olli_72

Message Edited on 06/24/0306:46PM by Olli_72

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 07:50 PM
Well, after reading your second post I think you simply got what you deserved.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 07:51 PM
Time to switch to the other side and take him out legitimately.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 07:53 PM
Whats your problem? WHat did i ever do to you, i posted about a tker and all i got from you were a troll reply? How did i deserve that?

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 08:07 PM
Olli, don't feed the trolls. Just ignore him and he will go away.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 08:09 PM
Hey ! Easy there Olli - no need to get stressed about it mate /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You did the right thing - you left the server /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Next time, swap sides, shoot him down and PK the S.O.B while he swings on the silk /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Kidding guys, just kidding /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Btw - it isn't considered "good form" to name and shame them on the forums /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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Cpt.LoneRanger
06-24-2003, 08:10 PM
TK-ing is a fact in online playing and therefore a legitimite point to put in the forum.

I made quite the same experience several times and also fell victim to my teammates spray and pray, as he flew by my target, not caring about me in his line of fire.

On servers with administrators watching, this is definately a reason for being banned and I saw this, too, but on other servers, I did, what was allready mentioned here: Switch to other side and kill him.

In one game, a TKer found himself suddenly alone, facing all other players. He got 2 of this force, then was shot down and left the sever in a hurry. That was quite funny =)


There are many servers out there. If you're constantly etting TKed, just switch.


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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 08:12 PM
JG5_UnKle wrote:
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- Btw - it isn't considered "good form" to name and
- shame them on the forums - JG5_UnKle

Sry, wasnt aware of that, edited the name out/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 08:12 PM
Team Killing is unfortunately part of online gaming, even in a game like "Americas Army" where you loose honor points for friendly fire people still purposely TK. I saw a guy once in a scripted server trying to help the blue team win by spawning in an IL2 and shooting anyone that spawned in front of him. He was so persistent that even when he was bombed and all he had left was one wing and a fuselage he still continued to fire, his aircraft spun in circles so fast he looked like one of those spinning wheel fireworks. Just leave the server or as was suggested join the opposition and get some pay back.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 08:16 PM
First of all, you've got a right to post whatever you want to post here. If what you posted is whining then it's certainly the least of it that's posted here. If there's a serious problem then it's the mod's job to deal with it.

So feck leonid05.

Second, yeah, that guy was a jerk and anybody who does something like that deserves to be pilloried in this public forum. If there's a bunch of you all takin' shots at a guy then one of you is (hopefully) gonna get him. So why shouldn't it be you?

Sometimes a player has the situation well and obviously in hand and usually what I do is to simply cover his six and watch the show and let him get his kill unmolested. But if you're all takin shots and it's not obvious who's got the bandit under control then all's fair.

Better you should go to Hyperlobby. There's a somewhat more mature crowd there. Of course there's always gonna be some jerks. That's the internet for ya.

I'd also suggest joining a squad and getting into some online war scenario where teamwork is more important than individual scores.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 08:57 PM
I bet they were all using trackIR /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 09:08 PM
I was right behind you when it happened, lol.

It was A_UFO...he's usually a really cool guy and he didn't find it to his liking that you legitimately stole his kill.
If i had been in the same position i wouldn't have done the same thing, but i still would have been p'ed off.

HelicalPropwash
06-24-2003, 09:41 PM
Stolen kills blah!

That's just plain childish to behave like that. I play plenty of team-based online games and it's not common. It is not acceptable.


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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 09:56 PM
The fact is that you saw three of your teammates heading towards the enemy is the first step in reconizing your limits.
First, is the plane heading towards your base?
Second, are there numerous enemy planes in that area? Third, is the enemy plane belching anything that doesn't look good for it?
Forth, is there a pilot in the plane?,

IF you answer no to the any of the question above and shot down your target, you're a &#$(#*#)(# kill stealer!!

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:03 PM
Olli_72 wrote:
- I just played on greatergreen, we were at least 3
- messerchmitts chasing an enemy fighter i think it
- was a P39. I happened to shoot it down, next thing i
- know im shot to pieces by someone my team, "thats
- for stealing my kill hehe" he said. That of course
- is the sure sign of a loser tker. Imo if 3(!) ppl
- chase the same fighter noone has the exclusive right
- to claim it, free game for all. Just ruined the
- whole game so i left shortly. Bleh.



I don't find any appreciation for TKers, Point *****s, or Kill Stealers.

Kill Stealing:
I don't see the point of 3 guys needing to chase one. If teams are even in the server then you probably have 2 enemies unaccounted for and 2 of the 3 guys chasing the one could be doing something more useful. I run a vulching allowed server so I know I'd be irked if 3 of my teammates took off after one bogey, while the rest of evil is barreling down on home base. I almost laugh while being irked because those guys look like the three stooges heading off on an adventure.

Point *****s:
I think they water down a good simulation's vodka kick. That makes simuholics angry.

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Team Killers:
These 10 year-olds should go back to their Pokemon games. Next time you encounter a TKer just spawn into a P-39 or He-111 and get a fix on his spawn point. Keep killing him until he switches bases or teams. Then continue killing him until he leaves. If it's justified no one will care that you've turned vigilante team killer.




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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:08 PM
All this needed was common sense.
If you see a friendly on the back of an enemy and he looks like he`s got the situation ie: he`s about to whoop enemy ***- Leave him be. Instead circle above providing protection and jump on any that attack him.
If you think he can`t handle it fly behind him but DO NOT SHOOT until he`s lost the enemy. Then you take over,
I have seen this so many times: The greed for those extra points having 3 or 4 jerks all shooting thru eachother- and they complain about the AI!
I only once shot another guy`s kill because of adrenalin (not for points) and I apologised to him afterwards. He was ok then.

The other guy should NOT have shot you in the back though.


It`s all about common courtesy and Honour. Dammit!



Message Edited on 06/24/0309:10PM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:27 PM
I think TKing in FB is very uncommon, due to mature audience. I can hardly remember when someone got shot down on purpose by own team mate.. but accidents do happen, especially on no-icons servers.
Yup, i would take guys advice, switch side and spank him, best medicine hehe

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:32 PM
its called teamwork, I ran into a couple of these aholes on HL, they cry and whine you stole there kill when they were stuggling then shoot you down, 401 porkys server has alot of great team players same with 353 and blitzpig servers you should check them out. Aholes get the boot

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:39 PM
leonid05 wrote:
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- Besides that, I mean you can post what you want, but
- personally I don`t appreciate online-whining to much
- on these forums.
-
- Clear it up with that guy at Hyperlobby, or just
- live with it.


What the hell is all that crap about?

Why can't the guy discuss this on-topic subject about IL-2 in this IL-2 forum?

Sounds like he's just venting and looking for a consensus on TKilling.

While others may not approve I have always been an advocate of mentioning names.

Rules and honor in on-line gaming only apply when the community supports it.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:13 PM
Although it is quite different from the situation that you've described, I've seen several times where I've been firing on a target and some chucklehead will attempt to steal my kill by dropping in front of me and opening fire.

I was discussing this on HL last night and I mentioned that the next time that happened to me, I was not going to let up on the triggers.

Hey, if he can ignore the fact that I was firing in the first place, he can ignore the fact that I am now firing THROUGH him to reach the original target.

But like I said, that's not the situation that you've described.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:22 PM
I have never TK'd (i hold my fire when a friendly is between me and an enemy, even if I was there first)

but, I have had issues with kill stealing: I'll saw someone's wing off and leave their tail, only to have a little crapface on my team chase him down and shoot him till he explodes, thus getting them kill.

I will yell and shout and switch sides and hunt that mug down, but I will never TK him.

its just bad form.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:36 PM
LilHorse wrote:

- Better you should go to Hyperlobby. There's a
- somewhat more mature crowd there. Of course there's
- always gonna be some jerks. That's the internet for
- ya.

LoL, sorry LilHorse, but I think you got that backwards. You are right everywhere you look there will be jerks, but I find it to be in a ratio, the more people the more jerks you will run into. As well as decent people of course. In fact thats one of the reasons I stay at UBI.

Plus yes We have our BlackSheep at UBI, more and more coming in, but ignore them cause they will get whats coming to them if they do that crap to the wrong people. luckey you edited the name before I got here.

Oh and points don't mean jack, you don't need others to see how good you are with points, if you are good then they already know your name.

-=S=-, and hopefully your UBI endevours will clear up.

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 03:11 AM
Since I often fly underperforming aircraft without one shot wonder weapons I learned this lesson long ago.

If I'm firing or set up on a shot and a friendly drops his ubber fast La-7 down in front of me I don't let up on the trigger, depending on the mood I'll even open fire and manuever slightly to hit them.

Its what they deserve, if a pilot has a bandit well in hand you'd serve better covering that pilot than freeloading of what he has earned.

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 03:15 AM
the TK problem could be solved by a script that booted anyone with an excessive negative score

allow a reasonable leeway like -400 points for mistakes and then any more negative than that gets an autoboot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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06-25-2003, 03:33 AM
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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 08:51 AM
If you have Roger Wilco or something similar voice com. You could yell, "this bandit is mine". But I guess, there is no rules when playing online and especially when you have lack of communication between players, like playing without voice communication. Or play only aranged online games, then I guess you have less that kind of "friendly fire".

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 09:56 AM
Strange behaviour? Shooting down your own squadmate, guess you would get courtmarshalled "in real life" for doing that..
On the other hand, if people want to steal my kills, I usually let them, by doing so, I'm able to take out more challenging targets that pose a threat to these "newbies" who, by kill-stealing, can't see when a target is out of action and thereby bring themselves in a dangerous situation where they become sitting ducks for an experienced adversary..

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 10:31 AM
Hmmm... - maybe some education in online manners would be appropriate. After all this should be a gentlemans game & not some teenage CounterStrike arcade hall. Opening a discussion here at this forum is fine with me as long as it´s not a mission of retaliation - sort it out with the guy & get over it. If we are talking general behaviour then I´ll sing along to your tune. Teamkillers ought to be booted after a first or second warning (it could´ve been an accident you know) & maybe banned so they can´t rejoin the game. I´ve played with plenty of idiots who just join the game, start shooting at anything - even AAA & pretend they don´t speak English - only word they know is LOL. It´s dead annoying because they ruin the game for everyone else.

My point is: Let´s act like grown ups & play as gentlemen.

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 07:01 PM
If the E is alive and flying it is free for all. If you your teammates havent shot down the E then they have no claim over him.

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 10:46 PM
I haven't read all but want to state this:
If you fly a plane equipped with nothing more than a peashooter and manage to slowly rip an enemy apart until his plane hangs in the sky with damaged engines and then some La7-noob comes along and splashes your target with one sweep... now that's stealing a kill.

And when I fly a "big hitter" (my fav is FW190A9 with 2xMk108) I respect the effort of more agile planes/pilots and wait until one of them is destroyed. Or i ask my teammates if they need help.

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 11:13 PM
Ah b.s. if ur in the process of shooting and some dufus butts in(moves into line of fire)that aint teamwork.If theyre that stupid they dont care if they die,theyre already risking friendly fire and collisions.That aint the way they did it in real life.And its a mark of a noobe or a primadonna.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 03:11 AM
I agree. That isn't how they stole kills back in the day. For those interested in full accuracy, they way WWII pilots "stole kills" (what they called scoring an "assist") involved waiting for a wingmate to set a plane on fire, that is, hurtling toward the ground, then putting a few rounds in it.

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