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XyZspineZyX
03-31-2004, 11:38 AM
Hello All,

If many of us do stick togheter, could it be possible to influence the "Oleg peoples" to make this game a stand alone that like FB was a stand alone for IL2 but at the same time a update of IL2?
Thus what I want and I hope many other peoples also that;
"Pacific Fighters" should be a stand alone that is an update to FB/AEP.

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XyZspineZyX
03-31-2004, 11:38 AM
Hello All,

If many of us do stick togheter, could it be possible to influence the "Oleg peoples" to make this game a stand alone that like FB was a stand alone for IL2 but at the same time a update of IL2?
Thus what I want and I hope many other peoples also that;
"Pacific Fighters" should be a stand alone that is an update to FB/AEP.

Sensei

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CHDT
03-31-2004, 11:40 AM
A stand-alone, so this way, no stupid dogfights with German aircrafts against Japanese fighters!

LuckyBoy1
03-31-2004, 11:41 AM
Not only was it promised as an add-on as per this thread...

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=693107852

but I'll gladly pay extra for it as an add-on and not a single Zloty as a stand alone. Good work should be rewarded and I want Oleg and UBI to make a ton of money off of this, but not by lying to us.

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VF-10_Snacky
03-31-2004, 11:45 AM
Addon? No way. May no mistake people designers make games to make money and I want Oleg and his crew to make all the money they can so they will continue to make more sims. I bought IL2, I bought IL2FB, I bought AEP, and I will certainly buy this this.
Many of us hoped and dreamed that Oleg would do a Pacific theatre and here it is. Bless you Oleg!

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Aeronautico
03-31-2004, 11:46 AM
Do guys check the link, otherwise you'd be led to believe the poster...

Such we plan after bob is all he said about other add-ons (not Pacific for instance) to the upcoming sim (mind you? Stand alone...) Battle of Britain (name due to be changed).

Aero out

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Bearcat99
03-31-2004, 11:50 AM
Id love to see it as an add on.... but i dont think any petition we come up with is going to make a difference. FB was supposed to be an add on but it got too big. What with the carriers, extra planes, extra objects no doubt.. who knows. Maybe we will get some of these things before hand like the new maps in FB and the Frank. Originally I think the new maps like Normandy etc were supposed to come with the AEP but they were released early. Mayb e the same thing will happen with some of the PF stuff.

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rmk76
03-31-2004, 11:51 AM
Seriously guys, it sounds like there will be a bit of change in the game engine (carriers and a concentration on bombers..). So by all means lets take advantage of the new tech instead of limiting the release w/ the old engine. Besides, this is one company I dont mind giving my $$ to. We all know you wont be able to resist buying it when it hits the shelvs, at least I wont http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

LuckyBoy1
03-31-2004, 11:57 AM
Too big Bear? And how much can you put on 2 CD's? I guarranty a whole lot more than is there right now! Even if it was a 3 CD pack, I'd pay the extra money. Anyone complaining from a "purist" standpoint for a stand alone... I didn't see you guys complaining about KI's over Normandy when ACE came out! There is no reason for it to be a stand alone. It was promised by Oleg himself as an add-on. I wanna give the guy my money, but not like this!

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DuxCorvan
03-31-2004, 11:58 AM
This is great, but we owners of Il-2 FB would like the game to be a stand-alone, but since it seems to share technology, to be able to 'merge' with Il-2 FB to increase the amount of choices. If you don't like Germans vs Japanese 'what ifs' you are still free not to set them in your game or not to play them on servers. But URSS got into Pacific War in August 1945, and, well, it didn't happen, but, what if...?

And the comfort of having an all-integrated game.

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TheGozr
03-31-2004, 12:03 PM
I like to have the tools and then make your own.

Is it earth made that way.?

That way we can have all. and decide wich scenario you want to create .

I say give us the choice not separate the game..

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Capt._Tenneal
03-31-2004, 12:08 PM
Look here (toward the end of the page, reply to Aztek_Eagle) :

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=307100542&p=11

Pretty much says it all, from Oleg's viewpoint. We'll see if stuff changes.

HH Quazi
03-31-2004, 12:11 PM
Boys. I don't want to have to change and start new games while flying with my squadron. I want this to be like AEP. Call it Pacific Expansion Pack(PEP). Call it what ever. But do integrate into FB/AEP. S!

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p1ngu666
03-31-2004, 12:16 PM
yep bung it in with fb somehow...
and who says if its a addon that it cant cost 30quid $45 or whatever

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Brain32
03-31-2004, 12:24 PM
I would like IL2FB-AEP compatiblity of Pacific Fighters.
But I must agree with the rmk76 argument about the new engine.
Also who knows what's coming up with the new FB patches. Maybe it would be better if FB development concentrates on Western Europe front!

chris455
03-31-2004, 12:27 PM
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.
What if we lose functionality in PF by remaining yoked to FB? Behold:

Triggers in FMB

REAL CEM (a BIG one as far as I am concerned)

Accurate high altitude model (less important in the Pacific, but still nice to implement)

And a chance for all NEW objects, and all NEW AC and all NEW maps, etc, etc, etc.
as oppose to "leftovers" from FB.

Why the big outcry over compatibility?
PTO + Eastern Front = APPLES AND ORANGES.

What do we gain by this limitation?
What might we lose?
Think about it guys.
Just my 2

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Bewolf
03-31-2004, 12:45 PM
Quiet a lot.

For example late war engagements between japanese and russian planes. Or the ability to use carriers in the ETO.

Bewolf

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They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

SuspectSquirrel
03-31-2004, 02:03 PM
I wish for compatibility. 100%. But would by either way. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

XyZspineZyX
03-31-2004, 02:15 PM
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My Idea was that "Paicific Fighter" should be an evolution of FB/AEP do not forget that the Soviets did fight the Japs more than once (1936,1939,1945...). More possibilities not less! And for those that do not want to see ME109 against Zeros go have a look in a dogfight game?... If you do not like it do not do it.
A last question; http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
Why are there 8 engines keys in FB there was never a 8 engines plane on the western or eastern front?
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Aaron_GT
03-31-2004, 02:35 PM
If the game engine needs to be changed
then backwards compatibility (the system
seems sensitive to parameterisation in
creating the FMs) would be a nightmare.
Better to have it standalone for stability.

Aaron_GT
03-31-2004, 02:38 PM
"Why are there 8 engines keys in FB"

There are planes with 6. If you had a plane
with 6 and JATO options, then you might
want 8. And 8 is 2^3 - 3 bits in a structure
if you are coding it that way.

MPortus
03-31-2004, 02:52 PM
Stand alone but with the possibility to use it with FB/AEP if you have it.

grist
03-31-2004, 02:58 PM
Can't wait to fly my Yak off of an IJN carrier!

DONB3397
03-31-2004, 03:08 PM
New maps, new planes, and improved IL2:FB engine -- almost a duplicate for the AEP announcement.

Like AEP, it will probably be offered two ways: 1) Expansion for existing users; 2) Stand-alone for new-to-the-game simmers.

TC_PVT_Roger
03-31-2004, 03:37 PM
I read once somewhere (maybe by Oleg) that the problem with making it work with the current game, is that all the current planes would have to be reworked to accomodate the changes the Pacific sim would allow for.

I'm sure I'm not being clear enough, but the thrust was, it would require a tremendous amount of work to make it work with FB, and cause the game to be delayed many, many months.

Someone will surely correct me if I'm wrong.

JG1_vonPletz
03-31-2004, 03:50 PM
S!

Whatever is best for Oleg http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
The more succesful Oleg is, the more great sims we get.
Stand alone or Addon, I will buy it nomatter what.

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TheGozr
03-31-2004, 06:22 PM
If it's true i'll buy it , if the engine is better ..great.. FB will drop down and BOB? just after to replace FB.

SO hope the pacific will have killer plane well made, the community will help if the'd be ask.

we have t il fall

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