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White24Room
11-25-2012, 11:19 AM
What about Eve in AC3 ? Did they missed it ? And the "son" ? These was mentioned in the truth of ACB...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12KdoV2tOjA

I've the feeling Ubisoft didn't check the past games to write the script ... this is frustrating.

I've the same feeling for the ending of the game.

AC3 is by far the best AC but sometimes I feel like the script was bungled, don't you ?

Jay_2750
11-25-2012, 11:21 AM
I like this thread. I too remember that cut scene and the truth of it.

ace3001
11-25-2012, 11:23 AM
I'm disappointed that they did away with this plotline. It was rather mysterious and interesting.
And no, referring to Eve in Liberations doesn't count. It's a side game that most of us might not even get to play.

Assassin_M
11-25-2012, 11:24 AM
Eve is the Bracelet and Shaun is Desmond`s Son..

We can all be happy See ? I`m pulling answers right out of my ***

Jay_2750
11-25-2012, 11:27 AM
Lol. If Shaun were to be Desmond's son! xD

ace3001
11-25-2012, 11:28 AM
Eve is the Bracelet and Shaun is Desmond`s Son..

We can all be happy See ? I`m pulling answers right out of my ***
Maybe that's why Shaun suddenly looks like Tintin.

Assassin_M
11-25-2012, 11:29 AM
He said "The Sun...Your Son..Too weak..must replenish energy"

Desmond is too weak to bang...this whole speech is a coax on Viagra

TheHumanTowel
11-25-2012, 11:37 AM
Basically it's just an aborted plot thread. I saw an interview here with Darby McDevitt that said Ubi did a survey and found only 10% or so of people saw this message so they could use it as a big plot point. I know. What a load of bollox. AC Liberation's ending mentions Eve in some way so hopefully Ubi haven't forgotten about this and plan to follow it up in future games.

LightRey
11-25-2012, 12:42 PM
Here's my take on this (MAJOR ACIII SPOILERS!!!):

"It is far later than you know. Too late to save them." - I think what he's saying here is basically that he can't really do anything. If he saves the world, Juno is released, if he doesn't, billions will die for nothing.

"She is not who you think she is." - This seems to be referring to Juno (not Lucy). She is responsible for the fact that Desmond can't save the world without consequences and she poses a direct danger to humanity should she be released.

"Everything you hope to become. Everything you hold dear. It's already gone." - basically the same as with "It's far later than you know..."

"Eden. She...in Eden. Find Eve. The Key. Her DNA..." - This seems to be a reference to something that has yet to happen. The key to defeating Juno somehow. Subject 16 must have seen all kinds of things when reliving the memories of Adam or Eve and since The Truth was a mere ten years before the Toba Catastrophe, it is not unlikely he knew all about Juno's betrayal.

"I cannot... The sun... Your son... Too weak... Must replenish energy..." - He's obviously referring to Desmond's son here (as well as the sun). I'm thinking Desmond had a son at some point before he was kidnapped (quite possibly without being aware of it). We have to keep in mind that he ran away when he was 16 and I'm sure at times he wasn't the most responsible.

"I am with you until the end. Find me in the darkness." - A reference to him being there for him in the black room I'd wager (and that he'll protect him with his "life").

ace3001
11-25-2012, 12:47 PM
Here's my take on this (MAJOR ACIII SPOILERS!!!):
<spoilers scrapped>
That is a very optimistic yet plausible take on it. I have a feeling that they just decided to retcon it out, though, if the above mentioned "Darby McDevitt that said Ubi did a survey and found only 10% or so of people saw this message" part is anything to go by.

AdrianJacek
11-25-2012, 01:26 PM
"I am with you until the end. Find me in the darkness." - A reference to him being there for him in the black room I'd wager (and that he'll protect him with his "life").
Yeah, that line is perfectly clear. Black room + "This is the END Desmond, scheduled for deletion."

LightRey
11-25-2012, 02:05 PM
That is a very optimistic yet plausible take on it. I have a feeling that they just decided to retcon it out, though, if the above mentioned "Darby McDevitt that said Ubi did a survey and found only 10% or so of people saw this message" part is anything to go by.
That is certainly possible, but I'm not convinced. There are very few retcons (if any) in the AC series and none of them serious. I'm not willing to consider such a thing to any serious extent until all reasonable explanations have been explored.

ace3001
11-25-2012, 02:19 PM
That is certainly possible, but I'm not convinced. There are very few retcons (if any) in the AC series and none of them serious. I'm not willing to consider such a thing to any serious extent until all reasonable explanations have been explored.
What makes me feel that they did retcon it is because they said that this is the final game for Desmond's story. The next AC is going to be about a different storyline altogether. Yeah, I realize that they still can link the two and solve that plotline, but considering the finality with which they said that Desmond's story was always going to be a trilogy and that it's over with this, I quite doubt it. Oh, well, all we can do is wait and see.

LightRey
11-25-2012, 03:00 PM
What makes me feel that they did retcon it is because they said that this is the final game for Desmond's story. The next AC is going to be about a different storyline altogether. Yeah, I realize that they still can link the two and solve that plotline, but considering the finality with which they said that Desmond's story was always going to be a trilogy and that it's over with this, I quite doubt it. Oh, well, all we can do is wait and see.
True, but they also said that the S16 stuff was more of a side story. It never had anything to do with the problems at hand. That supports the basic idea behind my explanation, since it seems like it's a setup for the game(s) to come.

Jexx21
11-25-2012, 06:35 PM
I'm disappointed that they did away with this plotline. It was rather mysterious and interesting.
And no, referring to Eve in Liberations doesn't count. It's a side game that most of us might not even get to play.

It doesn't count? That's a load of crap. Because, A: I'm not even sure if Ubisoft fully thinks of Liberation as a side game. Why? It's listed among the main games on the Assassin's Creed website.
B: It freaking continues the Eve side plot! It implies that Abstergo has Eve's descendant, or at least her DNA. I have a feeling that Eve is the 'Chosen One' here, not Adam/Desmond.

cmrggamer
11-25-2012, 06:42 PM
I personally am very interested in having a female assassin, in a main game, and I know a lot of people aren't...but I think it would be kind of cool if they continue the Adam/Eve story and then the gang has to go in search for an Eve.

ace3001
11-25-2012, 06:44 PM
It doesn't count? That's a load of crap. Because, A: I'm not even sure if Ubisoft fully thinks of Liberation as a side game. Why? It's listed among the main games on the Assassin's Creed website.
B: It freaking continues the Eve side plot! It implies that Abstergo has Eve's descendant, or at least her DNA. I have a feeling that Eve is the 'Chosen One' here, not Adam/Desmond.
It doesn't count because it isn't part of Desmond's story. S16 implied that Eve has some sort of connection to Desmond or possibly a son of his. That plotline is lost unless they do something about it in the next AC.

Jexx21
11-25-2012, 06:49 PM
I don't believe that it has to have a connection to Desmond to continue the plot line.

If it does, then in your eyes it'll probably never continue.

LightRey
11-25-2012, 06:57 PM
It doesn't count? That's a load of crap. Because, A: I'm not even sure if Ubisoft fully thinks of Liberation as a side game. Why? It's listed among the main games on the Assassin's Creed website.
B: It freaking continues the Eve side plot! It implies that Abstergo has Eve's descendant, or at least her DNA. I have a feeling that Eve is the 'Chosen One' here, not Adam/Desmond.
I haven't played Liberation, so I'm not sure about this, but wasn't S16 that descendant?

ace3001
11-25-2012, 06:59 PM
I don't believe that it has to have a connection to Desmond to continue the plot line.

If it does, then in your eyes it'll probably never continue.You may believe so, but I'm simply going by what S16 said. There has to be at least a very small connection to Desmond, or it simply becomes a retcon.

Jexx21
11-25-2012, 07:03 PM
I haven't played Liberation, so I'm not sure about this, but wasn't S16 that descendant?
Nope. We don't know who Abstergo farmed Aveline's memories from, but they never said it was Clay.

LightRey
11-25-2012, 07:05 PM
Nope. We don't know who Abstergo farmed Aveline's memories from, but they never said it was Clay.
Yeah, but he's the one who relived Adam or Eve's memories wasn't he?

DavisP92
11-25-2012, 07:06 PM
I don't believe that it has to have a connection to Desmond to continue the plot line.

If it does, then in your eyes it'll probably never continue.

Uhh if Clay said to Desmond that he has to find eve and says "your son" then it has to do with Desmond. They didn't continue it in ACR and left it out of AC3 which was the conclusion for desmond. I doubt that they really will continue it, even if there was a part in Liberations. And I would say that doesn't really count seeing how it doesn't have to do with the main cast (desmond, shaun, william, etc.)

Jexx21
11-25-2012, 07:11 PM
Okay, I guess that since Liberation didn't count neither did The Fall or The Chain and Daniel Cross is just some random Templar dude.

I mean seriously, you can't just discredit Liberation because it doesn't have to do with Desmond. I'm just fairly sure that Ubisoft has the story under control and hasn't retconned this prophecy.

As for Light Rey- Desmond can probably relive Adam/Eve's memories too- We aren't looking for a person that is just a descendant of Adam/Eve, there are probably millions of those, we're looking for someone that has a high percentage of DNA from Adam/Eve.

LightRey
11-25-2012, 07:14 PM
Okay, I guess that since Liberation didn't count neither did The Fall or The Chain and Daniel Cross is just some random Templar dude.

I mean seriously, you can't just discredit Liberation because it doesn't have to do with Desmond. I'm just fairly sure that Ubisoft has the story under control and hasn't retconned this prophecy.

As for Light Rey- Desmond can probably relive Adam/Eve's memories too- We aren't looking for a person that is just a descendant of Adam/Eve, there are probably millions of those, we're looking for someone that has a high percentage of DNA from Adam/Eve.
Ah I see. Well even so S16 was clearly used by the Templars to relive the memories of at least one of them, so unless this person still has to be alive or something I'd say he's a good candidate.

Jexx21
11-25-2012, 07:21 PM
I don't believe we're looking for someone to relive the memories of Adam and Eve- rather we're looking for someone with a high percentage of Eve DNA to unlock something with their genetic code.

In Liberation, it was implied that Aveline was only able to unlock the prophecy disk that contained the recording of a First Civ conference declaring Eve the leader of the Human Rebellion because she had a high percentage of Eve DNA.

Assassin's Creed always wants us to unlock something.

ACfan443
11-25-2012, 07:38 PM
When S16 said "Eden. She...in Eden. Find Eve. The Key. Her DNA" I though 'wow, can't wait for this' ..then nothing happened. I really hate them for dropping these plot points, they were some of my favourite :(

My first take: I always had a feeling (and I read up on this somewhere) that Desmond would go to the site of present day Eden, or use the animus to view Adam's memories in Eden and indirectly 'find eve', and by doing that he would find Eve's DNA which was the "key" and use it to open to door in the grand temple.

My second take is similar to Lightrey's: the team go to present day Eden and find Eve/her DNA, and use it to stop Juno. (However this theory doesn't stand too well since Clay directly told Desmond to go search for Eve, and well, he's dead. Also at the end of Brotherhood, Juno said "only she remains to be found" - either referring to herself or Eve. I'm thinking Eve, since S16's message was also in Brotherhood)

They've either dropped these plot points completely, or have modified and adapted them to suit their new 'Juno taking over the world' plot

LightRey
11-25-2012, 07:48 PM
I don't believe we're looking for someone to relive the memories of Adam and Eve- rather we're looking for someone with a high percentage of Eve DNA to unlock something with their genetic code.

In Liberation, it was implied that Aveline was only able to unlock the prophecy disk that contained the recording of a First Civ conference declaring Eve the leader of the Human Rebellion because she had a high percentage of Eve DNA.

Assassin's Creed always wants us to unlock something.
Those disks work with Eagle Vision/Sense. If it required Eve DNA, it'll most likely only be because she was a hybrid.

Jexx21
11-25-2012, 07:54 PM
The game never implied that it ever had anything to do with Eagle Vision.. I'm not sure where you are getting your information.

LightRey
11-25-2012, 07:57 PM
The game never implied that it ever had anything to do with Eagle Vision.. I'm not sure where you are getting your information.
Well this prophecy disk sounds a lot like the memory disks from ACR. It applied to them.

Jexx21
11-25-2012, 08:40 PM
Yea... they aren't remotely the same thing.

DavisP92
11-25-2012, 08:45 PM
Okay, I guess that since Liberation didn't count neither did The Fall or The Chain and Daniel Cross is just some random Templar dude.

I mean seriously, you can't just discredit Liberation because it doesn't have to do with Desmond. I'm just fairly sure that Ubisoft has the story under control and hasn't retconned this prophecy.

As for Light Rey- Desmond can probably relive Adam/Eve's memories too- We aren't looking for a person that is just a descendant of Adam/Eve, there are probably millions of those, we're looking for someone that has a high percentage of DNA from Adam/Eve.

You do make a valid point. However, they mentioned in ACB that desmond needs to find Eve and talked about Desmond's son. But never explained anything about it in the next game or in AC3. Now that Desmond is kaput then him finding Eve (i agree with your concept of not actually finding eve but a descendant that has a large quantity of her dna) and Desmond having a son isn't possible now either.

LightRey
11-25-2012, 08:45 PM
Yea... they aren't remotely the same thing.
They seem to be doing the same thing. Recording memories. If they're not similar then in what way exactly?

JackHasReturned
11-25-2012, 08:47 PM
Hey man, they HAVN'T just forgetten about Eve. Take a read at my theory on this thread http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/729407-The-story-to-come-in-Assassin-s-Creed and you'll see the potential in Subject 16's hints for the future games. Don't worry Ubisoft arn't forgetting what they put in previous games, if anything they have planned ahead of each game by 2-3 titles. It's evident by the riddles and clues which HAVE been answered so far. It may seem vague now but all will become clear! :D

Jexx21
11-25-2012, 09:24 PM
They seem to be doing the same thing. Recording memories. If they're not similar then in what way exactly?
Because the prophecy disk is three separate pieces.

EDIT: That and the Prophecy Disk is a communication device that records conversations between people, it doesn't record memories per se.

ace3001
11-26-2012, 01:07 AM
Okay, I guess that since Liberation didn't count neither did The Fall or The Chain and Daniel Cross is just some random Templar dude.

I mean seriously, you can't just discredit Liberation because it doesn't have to do with Desmond. I'm just fairly sure that Ubisoft has the story under control and hasn't retconned this prophecy.

Actually, as far as the main AC storyline goes, Daniel Cross is just some random Templar dude. Why he is like that is irrelevant to those who didn't read the comics.

And it's not a matter of "discrediting Liberation". The fact is that S16 said that directly to Desmond. He actually mentioned something about Desmond's son. So even if that little detail is ignored, it still becomes a retcon.

However, even a retcon can be pulled off well by a good writer, so here's hoping for that at least.

ZephyrStrife
11-26-2012, 02:16 AM
Daniel Cross is some random templar dude? No. Daniel has a biography in the Animus database that explains his background and mentions the comic books...hell, even Rebecca mentions how Daniel was raised in an animus. Everything in the AC universe connects with each other in some shape or form...its up to the individual on how in the know they want to be. Being ignorant to that knowledge doesn't mean that those games/comics/etc are not part of the canon universe.

By your logic, because I never played the Lost Archive DLC in AC:R, Lucy being a sleeper agent doesn't matter. Of course it matters! They mention it in AC3 directly!

Connor appears in Liberation....so how does Aveline's story not matter? Don't be surprised if she shows up again in the next game. I'm sort of hoping for a co-op thing between Connor and Aveline.

Jexx21
11-26-2012, 03:45 AM
Liberation*

Liberations isn't even a word..

I think people get Liberation mixed up with Revelations.

ace3001
11-26-2012, 12:18 PM
Daniel Cross is some random templar dude? No. Daniel has a biography in the Animus database that explains his background and mentions the comic books...hell, even Rebecca mentions how Daniel was raised in an animus. Everything in the AC universe connects with each other in some shape or form...its up to the individual on how in the know they want to be. Being ignorant to that knowledge doesn't mean that those games/comics/etc are not part of the canon universe.

By your logic, because I never played the Lost Archive DLC in AC:R, Lucy being a sleeper agent doesn't matter. Of course it matters! They mention it in AC3 directly!

Connor appears in Liberation....so how does Aveline's story not matter? Don't be surprised if she shows up again in the next game. I'm sort of hoping for a co-op thing between Connor and Aveline.
He is not a random Templar dude, but he might as well be, cause not knowing his backstory doesn't have an effect on understanding AC3's plot. Similarly, they can't make Aveline's story too important to the next AC game's plot, cause a really significant amount of people are going to go straight from AC3 to the next AC without batting an eyelid at Liberation.

NewBlade200
11-26-2012, 02:47 PM
They didn't have enough time to finish the game the way they planned so they got rid of it so that they could set up a sequal with the current ending