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Storm_Bird
03-17-2004, 07:51 AM
Will He-162D and He-219 will add into IL-2 in the future?

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Storm_Bird
03-17-2004, 07:51 AM
Will He-162D and He-219 will add into IL-2 in the future?

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JG26Red
03-17-2004, 09:25 AM
dont know if anyone is modelling them? are you going to ?

Ki_Rin
03-17-2004, 10:11 PM
ive never heard of the 162D, did it actually fly during war? the A2 barely qualifies to be here, let alone a D model..but plz tell me more about 162D...
an He 219 would be AMAZING!...frankly, i dont see why the He219 wasn't done instead of the 109Z, both because 109Z only flew once or twice, and also because 219 was excellent performer in all respects, speed, acc, range, firepower and for a twin, great handling, both high and low speed...it also featured at least two firsts for a production combat type; ultra-violet lighting for instuments, and an ejection seat, the inital seat was powered by compressed air, i believe, with alternate seat propulsion in study fo rfuture...
the He219 should have been in service over a year before its debut, yet another victim of dithering and rivalry amid LW, RLM, and OKB...but Id HATE to see it hobbled, just like the latest twin.....oh, nevermind, 219s not American, it should work just fine...

Storm_Bird
03-18-2004, 03:47 AM
He-162D is the other variant of He-162, with the Heinkel-Hirth 011A engine, forward-swept wing, "vee" tail, and armed with twin Mk-108 30mm cannon.

For more information, you can go to this web sitehttp://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avhe162.html#m4. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He-219 is really a perfect fighter in WWII.

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Storm_Bird
03-18-2004, 03:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:
dont know if anyone is modelling them? are you going to ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I won't modelling them, beacuse I don't know how... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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BigWilliam
03-18-2004, 06:34 AM
According to some of my He-162 literature the "D" variant never made it to construction. Drawings of it were found when the allies arrived at the factory. The fuselage and tail plane were found in pieces but they were gearing up for it.

Regards,

Ade.
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Storm_Bird
03-18-2004, 06:48 AM
You're right, do you have the He-162D drawings?

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Future-
03-18-2004, 06:51 AM
"because 109Z only flew once or twice,"

To my knowledge the 109Z NEVER made it into the skys, in fact there wasn't even a flyable prototype.

109Z is the worst joke that ever hit FB. I'm normally quite open minded, but that thing is just bogus, works far too good for being a prototype plane...

S!

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Gato-Loco
03-18-2004, 10:35 AM
Having the He-219 would be great!!

JG26Red
03-18-2004, 10:47 AM
Armament:
He 219V-1
Two 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in wing roots.
One 13mm MG 131 in rear cockpit.

He 219A-2/R1
Two 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in wing roots.
Two or Four 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 cannon in Shr├┬Ąge Musik mount.

He 219A-7/R1
Two 30mm Mk 108 Cannon in wing roots.
Two 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 103 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 cannon in Shr├┬Ąge Musik mount.
Ammunition: 100 rounds per gun

He 219A-7/R2
Two 30mm Mk 108 Cannon in wing roots.
Two 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 cannon in Shr├┬Ąge Musik mount.
Ammunition: 100 rounds per gun

wow, now that is some arms... lol... HE 219 was a great plane, although i have read on here someone stating it was junk (a pro American guy) everything else i have at home in books and stuff say it was one of if not the best night fighter of war, although it may be rather dead duck for single engine fighters in daylight i think it and the p38 could be fun...

Rebel_Yell_21
03-18-2004, 01:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:
although it may be rather dead duck for single engine fighters in daylight <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Top speed of 670 kph (416 mph), so maybe not....

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BigWilliam
03-18-2004, 03:02 PM
No I don't have any line drawings but some renders of the 162-D in book on the He-162. It has the 162D with forward swept wings (25 degree angle) with the v - tail fin (20 degree angle) it's pretty cool. The 162C had the wing swept backwards (the only main difference) and the prototype shells that Americans found at the the end of WW2 apparently could have been fitted forwards or backwards!

The author is: David Myhra
Book: Heinkel He 162 (X Plane series)
ISBN: 0-7643-0955-2

For info!

Regards,

Ade.

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JG26Red
03-18-2004, 03:12 PM
"Top speed of 670 kph (416 mph), so maybe not...."

that is a good speed, technically it should outrun a KI84!!!! lol.... iam curious at what alt it gets that speed...

GonzoX
03-18-2004, 03:19 PM
God this is getting old!

Reminder:

The 109Z and others are in the game because somebody had the DEDICATION and DESIRE to model it well enough for 1c to accept it.

If you don't like it then don't fly it.

Better yet, If you are that passionate and upset about it then learn how to model in max and make your own planes to include in the next patch.

Nuff said.

JG26Red
03-18-2004, 03:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GonzoX:
God this is getting old!

Reminder:

The 109Z and others are in the game because somebody had the DEDICATION and DESIRE to model it well enough for 1c to accept it.

If you don't like it then don't fly it.

Better yet, If you are that passionate and upset about it then learn how to model in max and make your own planes to include in the next patch.

Nuff said.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

huh? nobodys complaining really, just talking... wow...

avimimus
03-18-2004, 04:37 PM
The Bf-109Z-1 (different aircraft) may have actually flown.
The He-162 versions with forward and rear-wept wings and vee tail were all abandoned, It is possible a research viechle could have been built, but it was decided never to produce an aircraft with these systems.

There were versions with Mk-108, ramjets and the powerfull Hes-011 engine which could and probably would have been built had the war continued!

Seafire_LIII
03-18-2004, 11:49 PM
The He 219 is a beautiful plane that I'd like to see in IL-2 (but not before the Mosquito) but I think most people would be dissappointed with its performance if we ever do get it.
British test pilot Eric Brown, who tested one post-war, wrote:
"From my experience with the He 219A-2 , I would say that that this Heinkel fighter's reputation was, in my view somewhat overrated."
"it was underpowered"
"appeared to be short on performance to deal the Mosquito"
""A full power run at 20,000ft revealed somewhat sluggish acceleration and a top speed of 378mph, which was somewhat short of German handbook figures."

In his book "The History of the German Nightfighter Force" German author Gebhard Aders gives some interesting figures:
On the hight of 2/3 Nov 44 eleven He 219s of I/NJG 1 achieved 7 victories (six to Ofw Morlock). Nine Bf 110s of II/NJG 1 accounted for 10.
Two nights later 12 He 219s shot down 3 bombers while ten Bf 110s shot down 4 bombers. One He 219 (Ofw Morlock's) was shot down by a long range Mosquito night fighter that night.

Like I say- I like the He 219, but let's keep it real!

necrobaron
03-19-2004, 12:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
"because 109Z only flew once or twice,"

To my knowledge the 109Z NEVER made it into the skys, in fact there wasn't even a flyable prototype.

109Z is the worst joke that ever hit FB. I'm normally quite open minded, but that thing is just bogus, works far too good for being a prototype plane...

S!

- Future

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380th Bomb Group 5th AF USAAF

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was a flyable prototype based on the 109F,but it was destroyed during an American bombing raid,IIRC. The 109Z was going to be based on two coupled 109Gs but none were ever constructed.

"Not all who wander are lost."

LEXX_Luthor
03-19-2004, 12:41 AM
Just a guess, but He~219 might totally flop in the FB. The "poor" performance was because of all the Fancy electronics weight carried, and for nite bomber intercepts this was worth the weight, but these are not modded over the FB. To make this happen so simmers can enjoy the real life Advantages of He~219 (the electronics) would require far more FB engine enhancement than any other airplane.


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LEXX_Luthor
03-19-2004, 12:44 AM
And bomber gunner AI still see in the dark http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif


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JG26Red
03-19-2004, 01:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Seafire_LIII:
The He 219 is a beautiful plane that I'd like to see in IL-2 (but not before the Mosquito) but I think most people would be dissappointed with its performance if we ever do get it.
British test pilot Eric Brown, who tested one post-war, wrote:
"From my experience with the He 219A-2 , I would say that that this Heinkel fighter's reputation was, in my view somewhat overrated."
"it was underpowered"
"appeared to be short on performance to deal the Mosquito"
""A full power run at 20,000ft revealed somewhat sluggish acceleration and a top speed of 378mph, which was somewhat short of German handbook figures."

In his book "The History of the German Nightfighter Force" German author Gebhard Aders gives some interesting figures:
On the hight of 2/3 Nov 44 eleven He 219s of I/NJG 1 achieved 7 victories (six to Ofw Morlock). Nine Bf 110s of II/NJG 1 accounted for 10.
Two nights later 12 He 219s shot down 3 bombers while ten Bf 110s shot down 4 bombers. One He 219 (Ofw Morlock's) was shot down by a long range Mosquito night fighter that night.

Like I say- I like the He 219, but let's keep it real!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

alot of the 219s lack of performance was it didnt get the right fuel and engines... it was receiving 2nd rate stuff... heck, the way the KI84 is modelled they can make a HE219 in the same fashion and it will be awesome! lol

Storm_Bird
03-19-2004, 01:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BigWilliam:
No I don't have any line drawings but some renders of the 162-D in book on the He-162. It has the 162D with forward swept wings (25 degree angle) with the v - tail fin (20 degree angle) it's pretty cool. The 162C had the wing swept backwards (the only main difference) and the prototype shells that Americans found at the the end of WW2 apparently could have been fitted forwards or backwards!

The author is: David Myhra
Book: Heinkel He 162 (X Plane series)
ISBN: 0-7643-0955-2

For info!

Regards,

Ade.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks BigWilliam, I will find it later.

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