View Full Version : JUNO good or bad

11-15-2012, 09:33 AM
Did juno betray minerva after the disaster or before and if so why didn't she just use the eye in the first place

De Filosoof
11-15-2012, 09:36 AM
Neither of both.

She's just plain stupid. She didn't learn anything from previous events/mistakes.

They flushed the whole idea of them being more intelligent than us through the toilet with AC3's ending.

11-15-2012, 10:22 AM
i know right

11-15-2012, 10:40 AM
You aren't gonna get any honest answers here :P

11-15-2012, 03:59 PM
She wishes ill on humanity, so bad. The reason she didn't use the "divination device" was because it was destroyed. This is from another thread, and apparently from the strategy guide for AC3:

I can just put it here. It basically says that Juno was telling a lot of the story when she told Desmond about the six methods of salvation that the First Civilization tried. They were: building towers to absorb the flare, building a shield around the planet, using Apples in orbit to enthrall the world and make their thoughts become reality to protect them, looking forward in time (divination) to see if they survived or to find a solution in the future (this was Minerva's project), bio-engineering people to survive the flare's effects (this was the project Juno's husband volunteered for and ended up dying from), and transcendence, transferring their minds into a new vessel.

About the first method of towers, Juno said they would take a thousand years or more to build, so they just didn't have enough time. But she also said that some returned later and sought to automate the process and have machines finish the towers. This is likely what happened during the time after the first solar flare, and the guide says the towers are likely underground because you can see the Grand Temple goes incredibly deep (also likely to dissipate the flare to the Earth's core). About the sixth method of salvation, transcendence, Juno said it was easy to enter the new vessel but difficult to leave, requiring something "wrong".

The guide elaborates on actual story points with specifics that sound like they fit, but I'm not sure if they're conjecture or actually told to them by Ubisoft. Basically it says that Minerva looked into the future and contacted Ezio using a device (the Eye?) in the Grand Temple. It says Juno later used the same device to contact Desmond at the end of Brotherhood. At some point after that, Tinia and Minerva discovered that Juno and others were working to re-conquer the world instead of to save it, so they killed them in the Grand Temple (maybe that's where they discovered it and it just happened fast). I think the guide says then Tinia used the divination device to contact Desmond at the end of Revelations, destroyed it, and then sealed Juno and the others inside. But Juno wasn't dead yet, so she used the sixth method of salvation to transfer her mind into the computers of the Grand Temple and survive.

At that point, Juno was alive as an AI like Subject 16. The guide says she could then use the Grand Temple to reach out to Pieces of Eden throughout the world and manipulate humans along the path she wanted. That's likely how she contacted Connor the two times they spoke through the "crystal ball" in AC3. She likely wanted to prevent humans from accessing the Grand Temple and finding out about her until the last minute, when she could use the impending apocalypse as a bargaining chip in forcing humans to choose to "turn on" the Grand Temple and set her free. That's the whole reason she wanted the Mohawk people and Connor to prevent anyone from accessing the Grand Temple too early, where people would still have a long time to see if there was a way to use the Grand Temple to save the world and keep Juno from getting out. She said herself in an email to Desmond that Tinia and Minerva left messages for Desmond at the Temple, but that she destroyed them. The guide says later in her life Minerva looked into the future again to see if their work had succeeded in saving humanity. That's why she showed up while Juno was talking to Desmond, and why Juno was surprised since she had used another device outside the Grand Temple, where she had destroyed the original divination device.

11-15-2012, 09:49 PM
jamgamerforever.. you've just put everything into perspective for me!! haha thankyou

11-15-2012, 10:00 PM
Your the best thanks
but does it say if the eye was for originally making the shield