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apresmode
11-07-2012, 03:01 AM
Well I guess the title says it all. For the Americans on the forum, did you vote if you are eligible? I hope so. It is the most fundamental thing that you can do in this republic.
I don't want to have a discussion on the various candidates and all of our personal politics so let's keep it light.

Has the game had any impact on your thinking of America, American history, and civic participation? That one is for everyone.

kriegerdesgottes
11-07-2012, 03:02 AM
Yep. voted this morning at 10 am.

Assassin_M
11-07-2012, 03:11 AM
Has the game had any impact on your thinking of America, American history, and civic participation? That one is for everyone.
I`v been living in the USA for 3 months now, so its a nice little Coincidence that the events of the game slightly align with me being here. That being said, I`v always fancied American History and its Perspectives from different cultures. I learned about American History in High school and I`m learning about the Revolution currently in College in a Mini-English Course that talks about the Revolution and goes into specific detail about Franklin.

the politics have definitely been looked negatively upon from where I come from, but I`m convinced that the founders did not intend for it to be how it is today, but enough about that, for its not a preferred subject to talk about here.

The game did indeed give me a much better view of the Revolution. Its a different thing to see it and learn about it while you actually have fun. The game is an Encyclopedia of American life during that time. The Database entries are HUGE and very Informative. It shows the hardships and Innovations. It manages to highlight the negatives and positives of American Society at the time while skillfully maintaining a Neutral Stand point.

FinalJ1
11-07-2012, 03:14 AM
AAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!! Final is back and yes I voted!!!! And for all you AC3 haters posting on this forum, you can sit on a hidden blade and spin.

NewBlade200
11-07-2012, 03:41 AM
The game changed how I saw the founding of the USA because I knew next to nothing about it until now. It had less than half a class dedicated to it and we don't hear about any founding fathers ever

Assassin_M
11-07-2012, 03:45 AM
^
*Face-Palm* at the fail of this post..

Spoilers, off-topic, no Paragraphs, Grammar is thrown out the window, Wrong name of Protagonist, spelling of a 5 year old... Woooow..

NewBlade200
11-07-2012, 04:10 AM
I am trying to be a sneaky troll but failing

You should edit out the spoilers in your post, as not everyone is done with the game. And while I agree with some parts of the post (the ending) I don't understand your need for Connor to have a romance. It seems to be a very western Idea, that there has to be some arbitrary romance stapled on to every story. I half expect circus acts to have them next. And what is it about the founding fathers that is so interesting?

ZoMBee-HitMAN
11-07-2012, 04:27 AM
Yes, I voted mother.

BoBwUzHeRe1138
11-07-2012, 04:47 AM
I voted. I personally aligned with the President regarding the issues and because I believe he's done good and I absolutely do not want the other guy to win.

Anyway....I don't care how you voted -- it irritates me more when people DON'T vote and then complain later. Like, no. Shut up haha

apresmode
11-07-2012, 04:56 AM
Yes, I voted mother.

Very good. Here's a sticker and a cookie :)

Kaxen6
11-07-2012, 05:32 AM
Voted via absentee ballot a while ago...

projectpat06
11-07-2012, 05:52 AM
Yup, high five for socialism.....not

ZoMBee-HitMAN
11-07-2012, 06:23 AM
Very good. Here's a sticker and a cookie :)

I want a Romney action figure!

TaleraRis
11-07-2012, 07:22 AM
I voted.

And I was watching CNN and had a gleeful chuckle whenever they showed Fanueil Hall Marketplace!

Blind2Society
11-07-2012, 07:32 AM
Sure did, and it was all for naught it seems.

Black_Widow9
11-07-2012, 08:54 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7DyVAWCIAAdRxB.jpg

rego00123
11-07-2012, 09:03 AM
nope.
both choices do not appeal to me.

SolidSage
11-07-2012, 10:18 AM
About a week ago.
Way to seize power from the people with that electoral system there Templars...I mean Politicians.

NOLA_Assassin
11-07-2012, 10:29 AM
Nah, I just missed being able to by about 16 days :/. It doesn't really matter though as I am an ex pat and therefor it doesn't really affect me.

BoBwUzHeRe1138
11-07-2012, 10:32 AM
I love how some on here seem to have voted for Romney despite him totes being a Templar. Juuuuust saying ;)

SolidSage
11-07-2012, 10:54 AM
^ Maybe but Obama's the same animal in a different color coat.

BoBwUzHeRe1138
11-07-2012, 11:33 AM
^ Maybe but Obama's the same animal in a different color coat.

Ehhh -- he's not nearly as bad. Romney was terrible compared to republicans like Reagan who I believe is highly overrated...the republican party seems to have been taken over by crazies: Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Perry, Romney, Ryan, Palin -- I mean what happened? McCain was at least normal but he screwed himself by picking a CRAZY person as his running mate -- then this 2012 election....it was sad but also hilarious to watch

ProdiGurl
11-07-2012, 12:00 PM
Well after the election results, this is good news, maybe Ubi can do an AC game on the fall of America
Nuff said.

BoBwUzHeRe1138
11-07-2012, 01:00 PM
I never knew the fanbase of the Assassin's Creed series was so right-leaning

I feel dirty now. The Templars are clearly the bad guys right? I guess the correlation of big business execs like Romney to Abstergo and Vidic, using the Apple and religion to control.... is lost on many.

Hm.

Oh welp. I know which way Ezio would vote so I'm happy.

Kaschra
11-07-2012, 01:12 PM
Yay, Obama won! I'm really glad right now.

BoBwUzHeRe1138
11-07-2012, 01:40 PM
Yay, Obama won! I'm really glad right now.

Wait -- you're not American right? Your location says Germany... if so -- can't say I'm surprised. The rest of the world was calling on America not to vote Romney because they were like "WE FINALLY LIKE YOU AGAIN AMERICA...DON'T EFF THIS UP!" and we almost did although Obama won by about a hundred more electoral votes and by about a million of the popular vote. I am so incredibly happy and excited haha

TaleraRis
11-07-2012, 02:09 PM
About a week ago.
Way to seize power from the people with that electoral system there Templars...I mean Politicians.

Obama also won the popular vote by over a million votes at last count. The electoral college is what "counts" but you can't claim that the populace wasn't of a similar mindset.

Mrnilsman
11-07-2012, 02:23 PM
Yay, Obama won! I'm really glad right now.

I'm really glad as well :)

Kaschra
11-07-2012, 02:31 PM
Wait -- you're not American right? Your location says Germany... if so -- can't say I'm surprised. The rest of the world was calling on America not to vote Romney because they were like "WE FINALLY LIKE YOU AGAIN AMERICA...DON'T EFF THIS UP!" and we almost did although Obama won by about a hundred more electoral votes and by about a million of the popular vote. I am so incredibly happy and excited haha
Yep, that's true xD
I don't know anyone here who actually likes Romney, he is really unpopular here in Germany... I think most of Europe... or the whole world :>

De Filosoof
11-07-2012, 02:57 PM
Do you want the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr7ePrCAqzo&list=UU49ziswILqRTuwgTiebth_g& index=8&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ3xxwQvVnE&list=UU49ziswILqRTuwgTiebth_g& index=13&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpPJtPwdk8k&feature=context-cha

It's time to open your eyes people.



Peace.

ShrunkLawyer0
11-07-2012, 03:25 PM
dude not cool do not mix ac with the real world ok

TOMatXL
11-07-2012, 03:31 PM
Glad to see the Cosby's back in the white house the next 4 years ;)

Dagio12
11-07-2012, 03:49 PM
I love how some on here seem to have voted for Romney despite him totes being a Templar. Juuuuust saying ;)

Even though I don't agree at all with the way you are looking at it, lets not turn this into a what candidate/party we think applies to what group in the AC franchise (I think it all depends on how you look at it).. haha.

On Topic, I didn't vote, but I wish I would have. I wasn't registered and just missed the deadline to register in my state. Hopefully next time. :(

kriegerdesgottes
11-07-2012, 03:54 PM
A dark day for our country. Enough said.

Dagio12
11-07-2012, 04:11 PM
A dark day for our country. Enough said.

+1

zerocooll21
11-07-2012, 04:14 PM
I will only vote when they add the option for "None of the Above". I HATE politics....

BoBwUzHeRe1138
11-07-2012, 04:17 PM
Yep, that's true xD
I don't know anyone here who actually likes Romney, he is really unpopular here in Germany... I think most of Europe... or the whole world :>

Yeah seriously. I can't believe how idiotic people are that they fell for every lie he and Ryan spewed.

And no, the Templars are CLEARLY what Romney would be. If an AC game was made set in 2012 (disregarding the actual Desmond 2012 plotline) that followed the history books -- Romney would be shown as a Templar.

In fact, the Revelations multiplayer cutscenes show Vidic and how,being a Templar will grant you access to the best everything, best schools for your children, a perfect life and one that they have engineered to be far harder to achieve for anyone else -- they are part of the 1%, the so-called 'job creators' -- take a look at Vidic's house and then ask yourself -- how many homes does Vidic probably have? How many homes does Romney have?

I'm not saying Romney is totally bad/evil like most Templars are but he's a hell of a lot closer to Templar territory than Obama. And I understand that many Assassins are also rich like the Auditore family but remember how they used their money -- to invest in the Villa and to help others out by allowing them to live there and set up their own businesses or how Ezio used his money to help fix Rome up-- then recall how the Borgia's used THEIR wealth.

It's amazing to me that so many people can LOVE Star Wars or LOVE Assassin's Creed and understand that the Emperor is a pretty terrible guy and that the Templars generally go about their goals in awful ways, even if the goal sounds good on paper -- and yet they vote for the real life counterparts and are completely oblivious to the correlations. I guess people see what they want to see and only some know the evils of the Templars...

Obviously, most of the politicians who would more or less be Templars probably have never done anything close to what's shown in AC but fiction uses reality as a base and then usually exaggerates it to create a point. 1984, Blade Runner, Star Wars, Assassin's Creed, even the bible itself praises helping the poor, free healthcare (Jesus heals people for free), and everything else and yet people can't see it in real life.

Anyway...it's pointless to argue anyway...it's over. The good guys won. The ewoks can now celebrate as the Emperor was defeated and Skywalker helped restore the Republic! I mean, Obama won overwhelmingly. I mean, close race but about a hundred more electoral votes and over 2 Million more in the popular vote. The majority of America finally made Europe and the rest of the world happy again -- we didn't immediately go back to what Bush did which made Earth embarrassed to have ever formed the continent. Thank The Force for that.

ProdiGurl
11-07-2012, 04:37 PM
McCain was at least normal but he screwed himself by picking a CRAZY person as his running mate -- then this 2012 election....it was sad but also hilarious to watch
??? As opposed to what, Alzheimers Biden who also has foot in mouth disease?
Ya, what a huge improvement. LOL

Kaschra
11-07-2012, 04:39 PM
I feel as bit different about the Templars thanks to AC3, but I still dislike most of them and their ways.
Clay's glyphs show that a lot of political leaders were templars or simply templar puppets... like George W. Bush. He was supported by the templars, while Al Gore was backed up by the assassins.
I too think the assassins would agree more with Obama.


And Bush really hurt the American image in the world, especially after being re-elected in 2004 :I

Josegtx13
11-07-2012, 05:00 PM
All Democrats out there who said Obama had to wait until his second term to finally get things done,

I hope you're right.

ProdiGurl
11-07-2012, 05:14 PM
And Bush really hurt the American image in the world, especially after being re-elected in 2004 :I

I guess he should have done w/ O did - make random kill lists, fly assassin drones out into other countries and off people & whoever happens to be unlucky enough to be near them at the time of the strike.
Worse, O has only continued Bush's policies on many things here. So if that's the case, you guys really need to take a closer look at O.

apresmode
11-07-2012, 05:14 PM
I'm gonna ask for a mod to maybe close this thread. I kind of knew it was opening Pandora's box, but just wanted to bring up the real world a bit in relation to the game and it's setting. It seems to have devolved into a place for people to rant a bit, and put others down. There's plenty of places to do that.

MisterEFQ
11-07-2012, 05:15 PM
I did not vote. And look, my state went to the person I wanted to win. Just like it has done for decades.

ProdiGurl
11-07-2012, 05:17 PM
I agree becuz my rants are about to come flying out - I was just going to ask how to unsubscribe to a thread.
I come here to get away from this crap & escape. dear god
I wonder if they have GameStop's in Mexico :p

BoBwUzHeRe1138
11-07-2012, 05:26 PM
??? As opposed to what, Alzheimers Biden who also has foot in mouth disease?
Ya, what a huge improvement. LOL

As opposed to Herman Cain, Santorum, Perry, Bachmann, every teabagger ever, Ryan, Romney, etc.

Biden may say some stupid things, can't argue that but he's not hateful with what he says and all the "traditional marriage is defined by god" bible thumpers use the bible to defend their hate. And that's just the hate part of it...that says nothing of the fallacies in things like the economic plans (Romney's was impossible and multiple economists said the numbers don't add up...when Ryan was interviewed by Fox -- even the particular Fox anchor kept asking Ryan over and over how the numbers add up to which Ryan said "I don't have the time to explain it..." -- just more question dodging)

So hateful, insensitive, hypocritical, and idiotic...oh...and BUSINESS people. Politicians are already shady enough as it is -- do we need to compound that by getting a business man in office? No. Hopefully someone with a half a sense of what the Republican party USED to be is chosen again and hopefully the Republicans boot the crazies of Bachmann and Romney out -- but who am I kidding...I bet Mitt is already back to being Moderate Mitt anyway haha

As for the Assassin's supporting Gore and Templars with Bush -- exactly. First of all, they kind of had to....Bush is a Mason and there are plenty of other stories, real theories, etc. that claim the Templars became the Masons. Since Romney is like Bush but worse -- well...

I used the whole Masons are Templars idea as the very basis for my 1930's Assassin's Creed concept where J. Edgar Hoover, a Mason, is a Templar using his position as director of the FBI to hunt down the Assassins, one portion being a well known crime family, the Emiliano family. There are well known accounts of Hoover's odd behaviors, files and folders on numerous individuals, and many, many shady things behind closed doors. The whole concept was before ACIII and so I used the idea of Italian American mobsters who came from Italy to America as a way to bridge Ezio's italian lineage to Desmond's american heritage. Emiliano being the italian version of Miles, etc.

My crowning achievement was making J. Edgar Hoover a Templar as it just fit so perfectly with established canon -- as for Romney? Yeah. Templar.

And Kaschra -- Bush hurt America's image especially after his reelection -- Romney managed to make England and a few other places face palm simply while campaigning to be President hahahaha sigh. Sigh of relief for the rest of the world and many americans. You know what's despicable? When Obama won the first time (and had about 3 and half million votes more than McCain when it came to the popular vote) there were a lot of people joking about his assassination, joking about getting their gun and killing him and the only reason was fundamentally...because he was black. Those same people believed he'd get rid of guns time and time again and never got it. Those same people called him a marxist dictator, a communist, a socialist, and a nazi nevermind the fact that Nazism and Communism were ideologically OPPOSED to one another and thus him being both makes no amount of sense AND the fact that since they wren't executed for speaking out against him -- proves he's not a Marxist dictator. Once again -- people are calling for his death. That is exactly what Templars would want -- the Republicans essentially used an Apple of Eden to control the masses that don't realize they're being manipulated (just a bit of a correlation that I find funny). Only the Assassins fought back and we are now better off than we were 4 years ago and we'll be better off 4 years from now.

I remember going to England in 2010 and so many people were so nice to me, my brother traveled a lot of Europe: Germany, France, England, Italy. He said that every country was so nice to him including France which, if you believe a huge majority of Americans -- France supposedly hates us and we hate them. At least in the case of my brother...not so. I find europe so great and the people seem so much nicer than here in America and the sad thing? Most claim to follow Jesus' teachings and then completely do the opposite and hide behind the bible in order to continue that hate. That's not the only issue but I just can't but think of how crappy this country must look to European tourists. We probably look like bickering cavemen who can't solve anything. That's why I was glad Obama helped out world image while also helping Americans in the country -- even though half the people hate him.

Dagio12
11-07-2012, 05:34 PM
^ wow, just wow. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but this is no place for this kind of thing. Lets turn the other way now before this gets shutdown, or maybe it should just get shut down.

apresmode
11-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Yep. I wish I could change the title to "Mod shut this down please".

TrueAssassin77
11-07-2012, 05:44 PM
Usa!!!!!!!!

BoBwUzHeRe1138
11-07-2012, 05:50 PM
All Democrats out there who said Obama had to wait until his second term to finally get things done,

I hope you're right.

Well the Republicans also need to stop just swatting everything he tries down just to make him look bad. The President can only do so much, the government was intentionally made that way so we didn't just have one man making the decisions. I'm tired of how divided this country is. United we stand, divided we fall. I want the Republicans to man up and help Obama out to try and find the best things to help the nation. I also want whoever is elected in 2016, be it a democrat or republican, to have the support from the other party to find compromises, agreements, concessions, etc.

We work better as siblings who sometimes disagree but always make up and compromise rather than as two different gangs.

SolidSage
11-07-2012, 05:56 PM
Ehhh -- he's not nearly as bad. Romney was terrible compared to republicans like Reagan who I believe is highly overrated...the republican party seems to have been taken over by crazies: Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Perry, Romney, Ryan, Palin -- I mean what happened? McCain was at least normal but he screwed himself by picking a CRAZY person as his running mate -- then this 2012 election....it was sad but also hilarious to watch
Funny how you didn't mention the looney tunes of Biden in there. While Obama is an intelligent and sincere individual he has the same problem as most Democratic candidates, he thinks he's smarter than everyone else. He may have done some good things in his term, but the resounding failures of making Americans without healthcare into criminals (in 2014), and making poorly thought out investments in renewable energy companies and increasing the welfare state is what makes me think Romney was a better choice.
He may not be likeable but this attitude that the big business guys are evil isn't correct all the time. We need the oil companies and big business, we need a business mind to get America competitive again, instead we have Obama who has made it clear he will continue to handicap American ability to be competitive in international markets. The $400 million dollar bonuses that bank executives were taking home after the Obama bailout is just another example of the Democratic perspective that spending is the way to go, but you, the tax payer is who will hold the debt.
Bush debt was for war that was bought to our shore. And he was chastised for taking a full year to make the decision. Then hated for it. no one ever talks about his decision to to allow stem cell research on unborn embryo's though. And he was hated for that until a couple of years later it was found that the same exact data could be found in the umbilical cord. Many wanted to pass a law that allowed the harvesting of live embryos for stem cell research? How is that protecting life?
It is too easy in this rapidly advancing technical age to forgo our humanity, and we won't realize it until we are too far down the line to make it back.

It doesn't matter now. I hope Obama proves me wrong.

Elect a Lawyer and you get more laws, my hope was that electing a businessman would get us more business.


Obama also won the popular vote by over a million votes at last count. The electoral college is what "counts" but you can't claim that the populace wasn't of a similar mindset.
Not before I went to bed he didn't. I'll check it again but if that's the case, good. It still doesn't change the fact that an electoral system is designed to weaken the power of the people. Especially when a faithless voting official can ignore the vote of the majority and vote however he likes. If that isn't Templar I don't know what is.

@All
Let's not kid ourselves that one side or the other is the good guys. These are Politicians with an agenda. Whether you consider yourself right or left leaning is moot, most Politicians test as Authoritarian as opposed to Libertarian, and America was based on the principle of Liberty. All this healthcare jive yet the Politicians still get their own specialized healthcare and a full retirement after only two years of service even if they lost there job for criminal activity like the guy who tried to SELL Obama's seat in the Senate. It's looney tunes all over.

Lastly, Americans, and I mean no offense to international people here, when the majority of the rest of the World wants the US to vote in Obama it has to tell us something. They aren't thinking that because they have OUR best interests at heart.

Attempting to identify members or supporters of one party or the other as Templar is pretty ridiculous really, just like voting in favor of a party like they are your favorite football team is equally silly. You have to focus on agendas and policy or you're ignoring the point. But at the end of the day, Politicians want control.

Dagio12
11-07-2012, 06:03 PM
you sir.. get a +1.

BoBwUzHeRe1138
11-07-2012, 06:08 PM
Funny how you didn't mention the looney tunes of Biden in there. While Obama is an intelligent and sincere individual he has the same problem as most Democratic candidates, he thinks he's smarter than everyone else. He may have done some good things in his term, but the resounding failures of making Americans without healthcare into criminals (in 2014), and making poorly thought out investments in renewable energy companies and increasing the welfare state is what makes me think Romney was a better choice.
He may not be likeable but this attitude that the big business guys are evil isn't correct all the time. We need the oil companies and we need a business mind to get America competitive again, instead we have Obama who has made it clear he will continue to handicap American ability to be competitive in international markets.
It doesn't matter now. I hope he proves me wrong.
Elect a Lawyer and you get more laws, my hope was that electing a businessman would get us more business.


Not before I went to bed he didn't. I'll check it again but if that's the case, good. It still doesn't change the fact that an electoral system is designed to weaken the power of the people.

@All
Let's not kid ourselves that one side or the other is the good guys. These are Politicians with an agenda. Whether you consider yourself right or left leaning is moot, most Politicians test as Authoritarian as opposed to Libertarian, and America was based on the principle of Liberty. All this healthcare jive yet the Politicians still get their own specialized healthcare and a full retirement after only two years of service even if they lost there job for criminal activity like the guy who tried to SELL Obama's seat in the Senate. It's lonney tunes all over.

Lastly, Americans, and I mean no offense to international people here, when the majority of the rest of the World wants the US to vote in Obama it has to tell us something. They aren't thinking that because they have OUR best interests at heart.

I highly doubt England had sinister motives for wanting us to elect Obama...I'm pretty sure they just didn't want us to elect an idiot.

And his investments with renewable energy is amazing and as far as making people without healthcare criminals -- that isn't true. I remember looking that up and finding that people twisted it to be that but that it definitely isn't what would happen. Could be wrong but I'm fairly certain I'm not. Also Obama has gotten a bunch of jobs for Americans -- not an amazing, how is he a wizard type of number but it was decent. Plus the economy is sloooooowly getting better. I'm tired of oil companies, I'm sick of oil. We need to move on. How is it that our computers are advancing, the way they process information, we find new ways to make them work, how is that video games are exponentially increasing in terms of what they can do? How come we have completely new forms of medicine than we did 50 years ago...and yet...we're still using the same type of vehicle running on the same type of fuel a hundred years later? Greene energy is the way to go and I whole heartedly believe in that.

And what has Biden done other than say some stupid things? Nothing as far as I'm aware. Just like Palin said some stupid things but never went on to really *do* anything be it good or ill. Besides, Ryan was idiotic. Anyone who believes they can reconcile Ayn Rand with Jesus is kidding themselves.

Obama has an agenda of course -- his agenda happens to be a bit (or a lot) nicer than Romney's. Again though ... it's about reach out and helping the other side. The two party system wasn't created for this, it was made so that we always have different points of views coming together so not one thought runs dominant, so that we always have two points of views, so we can compromise...not so we can despise the other side and tear them apart whenever we can JUST because they're the other side. We shouldn't stop something from passing just because of the person who wrote it or made it or endorses it if we would pass it had it been the other guy. That's wrong, it's stupid, and it's not helping this country become the 'greatest nation on earth' again. We're pretty pitiful right now, and not due to Obama, not even really due to Bush -- due to everyone.

SolidSage
11-07-2012, 06:13 PM
@Bob
It's narrow minded to assume that Obama is a benevolent President. Of course he wants to champion the poor, there's more votes there. Politicians will sell you whatever it is you need to hear to feel good about them, and then do what they like.
I hope he does a decent job this term, but don't be blind and think he is any different than Romney in essence.
And championing the poor by making them criminals if they don't purchase the health care that they can't afford doesn't add up to me. The rich in this country already carry 60% of the tax burden.

Annny wayy, I kill red and blue coats in AC...cos I can, and I like it. Assassin's are independents yo!

SolidSage
11-07-2012, 06:20 PM
I highly doubt England had sinister motives for wanting us to elect Obama...I'm pretty sure they just didn't want us to elect an idiot.
Most of the World Bob. China, Iran, North Korea. I lived in England for 20 years, ask them about the Poll Tax. Their Politicians are the same.

Green energy IS the way to go Bob but other Countries are far more efficient at producing the systems. Investing in American start ups was a waste of tax payer $'s. Solyndra and Fisker both went bust to the tune of 90+ million. It's not the Government's job to be involved in private business anyway, they are supposed to set mandates, not give our money to their entrepreneur pals.

Biden is dodgy. He constantly talks about losing his wife and child in a car crash and goes for the pity play while he has a new wife half his age sitting there right next to him. The guy's a joker.

@Everyone who doesn't like this thread
Why so sensitive, these are the kind of things we should be concerned about and discussing sensibly. As long as we act like it's a football match with one team versus the other and try to incite sillyness with name calling, we the people, will never truly get to focusing on the real issues and the importance of not letting Governments expand out of control and get fat and bloated while they treat the population like a herd of cattle or a crop.

BoBwUzHeRe1138
11-07-2012, 06:27 PM
@Bob
It's narrow minded to assume that Obama is a benevolent President. Of course he wants to champion the poor, there's more votes there. Politicians will sell you whatever it is you need to hear to feel good about them, and then do what they like.
I hope he does a decent job this term, but don't be blind and think he is any different than Romney in essence.
And championing the poor by making them criminals if they don't purchase the health care that they can't afford doesn't add up to me. The rich in this country already carry 60% of the tax burden.

Annny wayy, I kill red and blue coats in AC...cos I can, and I like it. Assassin's are independents yo!

I don't think he's completely benevolent but I feel his heart actually IS in the right place more than Romney's for both social equality and rights (something I consider pretty much equally as important as the economy) and the economy. The numbers with Romney's plan didn't add up, would take 8-10 years anyway, and the man flip flopped so much I may have ended up with Moderate Mitt who was pro-choice and for more socialized healthcare or I may have gotten Campaign Mitt who hates teachers, cops, poor people, and has a bromance with Ryan. The first one would have been okay but the problem is -- I'd rather vote for someone I know has kept their stances relatively the same, altering it a bit here and there rather than someone who completely flip flops year after year or even minutes apart (no seriously...I'm not making that up...during one of the GOP debates, Romney stated one thing, then the complete opposite within minutes...pretty funny actually)

Also a party that believes women make magical juices to stop rape is not getting my vote ever until they kick those crazy idiots out and get back to what they used to be about. Chris Christie is already making his bid for the White House but methinks he voted Obama. After Sandy hit, Christie became super Probama and even tweeted something along the lines of "Touring NJ with President Obama...and yes I'm a Republican and he's a Democrat...this is what adults do." It's most likely a play for the White House, playing into that whole everyone has an agenda thing, but the point is that they should all be like that. Democrats, Republicans, both should set aside differences and come to agreements to help the nation -- not argue and hate the other side. You can never get anywhere without compromise...or it'll sure as hell be difficult.

Oh and btw...I'm not a Democrat -- I'm independent. Go Assassins!

Also I wouldn't feel bad killing blue coats as Connor seeing as they'll be taking his land away eventually anyway.

SolidSage
11-07-2012, 06:39 PM
The numbers with Romney's plan didn't add up
Impossible to say without being privvy to the plan. The guy has rescued business from financial ruin on several occasion, including the Olympics. His qualifications as a businessman are what made him a good candidate for the economic issues. You wouldn't ask a Lawyer to perform surgery would you? The current problem is outside of Obama's skill set.


The first one would have been okay but the problem is -- I'd rather vote for someone I know has kept their stances relatively the same, altering it a bit here and there rather than someone who completely flip flops year after year or even minutes apart (no seriously...I'm not making that up...during one of the GOP debates, Romney stated one thing, then the complete opposite within minutes...pretty funny actually)
They all do that. Changing your mind about something isn't a flaw though, that's actually the most bi-partisan quality there is. You can't ask for it then hate when it materializes.


Also a party that believes women make magical juices to stop rape is not getting my vote ever until they kick those crazy idiots out and get back to what they used to be about.
Now you are taking the comments of one idiot and superimposing it on to everyone. Isn't that the same kind of stereotyping that gets minorities treated unfairly?


Chris Christie is already making his bid for the White House but methinks he voted Obama. After Sandy hit, Christie became super Probama and even tweeted something along the lines of "Touring NJ with President Obama...and yes I'm a Republican and he's a Democrat...this is what adults do." It's most likely a play for the White House, playing into that whole everyone has an agenda thing, but the point is that they should all be like that. Democrats, Republicans, both should set aside differences and come to agreements to help the nation -- not argue and hate the other side. You can never get anywhere without compromise...or it'll sure as hell be difficult.
Again, call for bi-partisan then use it as an angle for attack? Also, he had a RESPONSIBILITY to address his state's need in a time of emergency, and Obama was still the Commander In Chief, what's he supposed to do, not meet with the guy?


Oh and btw...I'm not a Democrat -- I'm independent. Go Assassins!
Me too, I liked Ron Paul.



Also I wouldn't feel bad killing blue coats as Connor seeing as they'll be taking his land away eventually anyway.
Exactly, the system and the machine makes them all bad. The natural independent is the one who is going to take it in the shorts. This World is based on alliances and the strength that comes from those unified networks. If you ain't part of one your influence is limited.
But that's fine with me, we weren't meant to be eternal, my sands will run out, I'll leave little imprint on the World except in the hearts of those I've loved and then I'll move on......and fly like an eagle baby !!!!

ProdiGurl
11-07-2012, 06:46 PM
>>> @Bob
It's narrow minded to assume that Obama is a benevolent President. Of course he wants to champion the poor, there's more votes there.<<<

Yes, especially when you're creating a higher percentage of them! What a racket! Well the good news is that he can't blame Bush for what he's "inheriting" this time
No doubt he'll find new scapegoats to blame anything on...

MT4K
11-07-2012, 06:48 PM
This is getting too political imo, and politics isn't meant for these Forums anyway so....

Closing.