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Pepperz90
11-04-2012, 08:09 AM
So I've got some questions regarding Assassin's Creed 3 and the previous games. I have yet to beat the main story of AC3, but I have beaten the previous ones. So if any of the answers come up in the future of this game please just notify me of that instead of spoiling it, I would really appreciate it.

1) From my understanding, when Desmond goes into the animus he relives his ancestors past through his DNA or something like that right? How in the world is Desmond related to Conner?? Obviously he isn't related to Conner's mom because she is full blood native. And considering Haythem is a Templar, since when were the Templar's and the Assassin's related? It would make more sense if you were related to the old man...

*S*P*O*I*L*E*R*
2) *In the story, I just got to the point where I am working alongside Haythem to get to Church, why would Connor not kill Haythem ASAP? As he is the leader of the Templar's in America, why not just end him then?*

3) How does Connor know who is father is? As obviously the old man doesn't know, but there is nothing in the story where his mom even gives him a hint that he is half British. Also how does Haythem know Connor is his son?

4) I know this is in the previous games, but how come when you kill an important target, you get to have a conversation with them, usually getting information you need ect. ect.? I've never understood this in the Assassin's Creed games.

P.S. I LOVE THIS GAME! Much better than all the previous ones minus some mechanical glitches, which are easily looked passed when you put into context how large and detailed everything is.

Random thoughts: Anyone else notice in this new game the developers have used a tremendous amount of triangles? Also does anyone hate NY and winter in this game as much as I do?

- Thanks

SpitfireSpud
11-04-2012, 08:34 AM
Eh.. have you played the ACIII game yet? or even any other Assassins game??

Haytham Kenyway is Connors dad... Haytham was an Assassin... not Connors mom. He was turned when he was a young boy.. due to the fact that Haythams father was an Assassin, and a Templar that despised Haythams father, decided that the best thing to do was to turn Haytham into a Templar...

Connor knows Haytham is his father, as he had his fathers journal, he was reading it at the start of Connors missions, when his mother caught him reading it, and he threw it under the make shift shelf/table in their hut...

Connors dad would have know that she was pregnant, they would have probably talked about this...

Pepperz90
11-04-2012, 08:41 AM
I'm assuming you spoiled some of the story? Because I have no recollection of Haythem/father being an assassin.

AdrianJacek
11-04-2012, 09:26 AM
Haytham was NOT an Assassin. Read the emails - Shaun explains that he got his hidden blades from an unknown source but remarks that they're really handy and he's suprised more Templars didn't use them across the ages.

Rithrius
11-04-2012, 09:37 AM
1) Haytham is a decendant of Ezio and was born into the Assassin's brotherhood, but converted to the Templar cause at some point.

2) Connor believed Assassins and Templars could work together or at least make peace.

3) Most likely, Connor's mother told him who his father was, and why he was never around. It would also make sense that Haytham used Eagle Vision and recognized who Connor was when he first saw him.

4) Meh, plot device.

SpitfireSpud
11-04-2012, 09:58 AM
1) Haytham is a decendant of Ezio and was born into the Assassin's brotherhood, but converted to the Templar cause at some point.

2) Connor believed Assassins and Templars could work together or at least make peace.

3) Most likely, Connor's mother told him who his father was, and why he was never around. It would also make sense that Haytham used Eagle Vision and recognized who Connor was when he first saw him.

4) Meh, plot device.

As Rithrius explained, as in bold... He converted to the Templar order... His father was an Assassin... He learned from him, and then a rival Templar Agent who hated Haythams father[Connors Grandfather] turned Haytham, in a way to get back at his father, and at the Assassin order...

It was like THE GREAT PURGE and Daniel Cross...

And Pepper, its not an actual spoiler, you probably missed the info about Haythams father in the game... but here is the actual info... http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Haytham_Kenway

If you don't want to read it? then you don't have to...

Legendz54
11-04-2012, 10:07 AM
1) Haytham is a decendant of Ezio and was born into the Assassin's brotherhood, but converted to the Templar cause at some point.

2) Connor believed Assassins and Templars could work together or at least make peace.

3) Most likely, Connor's mother told him who his father was, and why he was never around. It would also make sense that Haytham used Eagle Vision and recognized who Connor was when he first saw him.

4) Meh, plot device.

Since when did it say hes from Ezio??

Silhouelle
11-04-2012, 10:07 AM
3) How does Connor know who is father is? As obviously the old man doesn't know, but there is nothing in the story where his mom even gives him a hint that he is half British. Also how does Haythem know Connor is his son?
Because at the very beginning of our play time with Connor, the first few seconds of the first cutscene show him holding and reading Haytham's journal. His mum comes in and he drops and attempts to hide it. I am very surprised no one seemed to catch that.

Secondly, we see a grand total of like 2min with Connor and his mum, so there isn't anything in the story that doesn't suggest she told him of Haytham either. Especially considering she taught him english and how to read. Its not spelled out, sure, but that doesn't mean the info isn't there for those who look.

SpitfireSpud
11-04-2012, 10:31 AM
Because at the very beginning of our play time with Connor, the first few seconds of the first cutscene show him holding and reading Haytham's journal. His mum comes in and he drops and attempts to hide it. I am very surprised no one seemed to catch that.

Secondly, we see a grand total of like 2min with Connor and his mum, so there isn't anything in the story that doesn't suggest she told him of Haytham either. Especially considering she taught him english and how to read. Its not spelled out, sure, but that doesn't mean the info isn't there for those who look.

I noticed the journal, thats the reason why I mentioned it in my earlier post :)

Silhouelle
11-04-2012, 10:43 AM
I noticed the journal, thats the reason why I mentioned it in my earlier post :)
Hadn't actually read any of the other responses I'll admit lol. You say Connor's mom isn't an assassin though, how do we know that? I noticed during one of Haytham's missions where you meet her and the three other natives, that they are using Assassin Tomahawks. Then theres that Connor is told Achilles helped Ziio out at some point with something.

SpitfireSpud
11-04-2012, 11:02 AM
Hadn't actually read any of the other responses I'll admit lol. You say Connor's mom isn't an assassin though, how do we know that? I noticed during one of Haytham's missions where you meet her and the three other natives, that they are using Assassin Tomahawks. Then theres that Connor is told Achilles helped Ziio out at some point with something.

Well I don't know shes an Assassin, but if she was, she would have known that Haytham was a Templar, so she would have fought him, but instead she led him to the GT... also Achilles would have helped her in the past, due to the fact he was an Assassin, and he helps people maybe? I was just speculating that she was not an Assassin...

I checked the part of the mission you mentioned, and can't see the assassin tomahawks.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QZEpDqP3IrQ#t=1125s unless I missed something

Silhouelle
11-04-2012, 11:12 AM
due to the fact he was an Assassin, and he helps people maybe?
Hm true, there is that. I always found it curious that she says she stands for herself though. Who knows though. ^^

I checked the part of the mission you mentioned, and can't see the assassin tomahawks.
It wasn't in the cutscene but in the gameplay afterwards. I watched a bit of the next playthrough by that guy but its hard to see anything tbh. I'm pretty sure they use Assassin Tomahawks in the melee combat though. I'll have to go replay that mission at some point, just to see for myself again. ^^

SpitfireSpud
11-04-2012, 11:21 AM
Hm true, there is that. I always found it curious that she says she stands for herself though. Who knows though. ^^

It wasn't in the cutscene but in the gameplay afterwards. I watched a bit of the next playthrough by that guy but its hard to see anything tbh. I'm pretty sure they use Assassin Tomahawks in the melee combat though. I'll have to go replay that mission at some point, just to see for myself again. ^^

see i couldnt see it at all., I checked.. now I know Ziio is an ancestor of Desmond and William.. but William Miles doesn't possess the Eagle Vision, the way Desmond does... as far as I am aware, William doesn't... maybe Desmonds mother is the one with the abilities..

Now Haytham, is the ancestor of Desmond, but not his father... and Desmond has more of the bloodline from the First Civ than his father has, hence why he can use the apple , and his father can't....

BlackRose1809
11-04-2012, 12:34 PM
So I've got some questions regarding Assassin's Creed 3 and the previous games. I have yet to beat the main story of AC3, but I have beaten the previous ones. So if any of the answers come up in the future of this game please just notify me of that instead of spoiling it, I would really appreciate it.

1) From my understanding, when Desmond goes into the animus he relives his ancestors past through his DNA or something like that right? How in the world is Desmond related to Conner?? Obviously he isn't related to Conner's mom because she is full blood native. And considering Haythem is a Templar, since when were the Templar's and the Assassin's related? It would make more sense if you were related to the old man...

*S*P*O*I*L*E*R*
2) *In the story, I just got to the point where I am working alongside Haythem to get to Church, why would Connor not kill Haythem ASAP? As he is the leader of the Templar's in America, why not just end him then?*

3) How does Connor know who is father is? As obviously the old man doesn't know, but there is nothing in the story where his mom even gives him a hint that he is half British. Also how does Haythem know Connor is his son?

4) I know this is in the previous games, but how come when you kill an important target, you get to have a conversation with them, usually getting information you need ect. ect.? I've never understood this in the Assassin's Creed games.

P.S. I LOVE THIS GAME! Much better than all the previous ones minus some mechanical glitches, which are easily looked passed when you put into context how large and detailed everything is.

Random thoughts: Anyone else notice in this new game the developers have used a tremendous amount of triangles? Also does anyone hate NY and winter in this game as much as I do?

- Thanks

1. It's been said that they are not related, but are descendants. Basically, their great x1,000,000 grandfather/grandmother did someone that was an assassin or were assassins and kept the line going.

2. Let's think on this... Connor hasnt seen his father at all and it's curious about him... so he decides to let him live. He prob wants to give him a chance to see if he can be with father and not as his enemy.

3. I think the journal he reads as a child tells him who he is. That's why he knows.

4. idk neither but it's just a game, can't change it now.