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vlissinger
11-03-2012, 10:57 PM
is this suppost to happen or what is the deal here ?.
i liberated boston from the redcoats and now there are bluecoats there but they attack me even more so than the redcoats do.
sometimes i see them fighting each other and i help the bluecoat , and when the redcoat is dead the bluecoat attacks me !!??.
i dont get it !
i liberated a fort (redcoats kept respawning like crazy realy un realistic) so the bleucoats (i think) took over the ford and they where real unfriendly towards me..they kept pushing me and so forth .
the game lost me .. i dont get it any more , who am i fighting and who is fighting who ?
is this a glitch or just realy bad story telling?
sorry if my enlish is not that good

F4H bandicoot
11-03-2012, 10:59 PM
Connor doesn't have a 'side'

WilderaWild
11-03-2012, 11:50 PM
He favors freedom. He also saved all the bluecoats lives so it makes no sense for them to attack and that should be removed

Assassin_M
11-03-2012, 11:53 PM
He favors freedom. He also saved all the bluecoats lives so it makes no sense for them to attack and that should be removed
Wouldn't that be boring ? If you kill someone, no Guards attack ? They`re Soldiers, not your friends..

F4H bandicoot
11-03-2012, 11:57 PM
He favors freedom. He also saved all the bluecoats lives so it makes no sense for them to attack and that should be removed

have you finished the game??

Silent Running5
11-03-2012, 11:57 PM
Connor doesn't have a 'side'

I can understand where the OP is coming from Even if Conner didn't have a side, you would think that after winning the fort single handed and just handing the keys of the fort over to the Blue Coats, they would be a tad more grateful.

vlissinger
11-05-2012, 08:18 PM
I can understand where the OP is coming from Even if Conner didn't have a side, you would think that after winning the fort single handed and just handing the keys of the fort over to the Blue Coats, they would be a tad more grateful.

i agree .

vlissinger
11-05-2012, 08:24 PM
they should attack you when you commit a crime than it makes sence ...but when you fight on their site with them against the redcoats , and because of that i get a wanted level they should not attack you that just does not make any sence at all.
and so it confused me ..cool game but its far from perfecti hope they come with a patch soon and not when im done with the game

Nnamerif
11-05-2012, 08:29 PM
I can understand where the OP is coming from Even if Conner didn't have a side, you would think that after winning the fort single handed and just handing the keys of the fort over to the Blue Coats, they would be a tad more grateful.

I second this xD

CalgaryJay
11-05-2012, 08:36 PM
Ya for all the people complaining it was going to be too Americanized pre-release, I think I've attacked / been attacked by Colonial troops in the Frontier almost as much as Redcoats.

,,,and no I haven't finished story mode yet, but by all the little hints I keep reading here & there in these forums, I have an idea where its going..

NinjaOnFire
11-05-2012, 09:19 PM
They attack you? Do not allow them the chance!

thecodeman715
11-05-2012, 10:28 PM
He favors freedom. He also saved all the bluecoats lives so it makes no sense for them to attack and that should be removed

Exactly what I said, they should be like the ottomans in ACR and only attack if you do something illegal.

shanethebouncer
11-05-2012, 10:28 PM
Connor does not have immunity from the law and in case you haven't played an AC game before when you walk right up in a guards face or run into them they push you....

leedev
11-13-2012, 10:55 PM
I was wondering the same thing. My guess is that the Patriots are fashists. After all they traded the blacks as slaves and slaughtered the native indians.

Sickull
11-13-2012, 11:42 PM
During the Benedict Arnold missions (Xbox players you aren't missing anything) I got attacked by patriots and all I did was pick up a barrel.

Silent Running5
11-13-2012, 11:47 PM
I saw a firing squad of Blue Coats execute what looked like another Blue Coat, the NPCs standing with him asked "anyone saw who did this?" then they turned and attacked me, the dead NPCs friends and firing squad was pretty close to each other, I was at least three times the distance from them, This has got to be a bug. Makes no sense other wise.

Blixie61
11-14-2012, 01:26 AM
You can't kill those annoying 3 children so just take out the frustration on red and blue coats, it's a game about killing so kill, kill, kill:cool:

WarriorAegis
11-14-2012, 01:29 AM
I've only had the bluecoats attack me at forts when a Courier was running around. There must be a glitch in the AI, making the guards think I was chasing him (I was picking a lock at the time. lol).

As for forts in the Frontier or when I have notoriety, I never got attacked by the bluecoats. *shrug*

joeyhayes
11-19-2012, 02:01 AM
Connor does not have immunity from the law and in case you haven't played an AC game before when you walk right up in a guards face or run into them they push you....

Thats fine if you're doing something dodgy or getting up in their face, but they attack on sight even if you're just strolling round the frontier. I liberated a fort, got a cutscene of the redcoats being marched out by the blue, walk 2 mins down the road minding my own business, bang, attacked by bluecoats. Sorry but WTF?

Needs to be patched, its as simple as that. There are enough redcoats to attack you to keep things interesting, you don't need to the blues doing it for no reason.

Great game otherwise.

Krayus Korianis
11-19-2012, 02:47 AM
It's because, oh I don't know... They got orders to attack anyone on sight that look dodgy or suspicious. Outside of Forts, you'll get attacked by ANYONE who has an arrow above their head. SIMPLE AS THAT.

You become incognito in Valley Forge, everywhere else, you got what, 1 pip on the Notoriety meter? Doesn't that spell it out for you, that you'll be looked at on sight and then attacked if it becomes red? God you people are whinier than a French Winery.

itsamea-mario
11-19-2012, 02:59 AM
Hey, everyone wanted Connor to be neutral, don't complain.

BoltActions
11-19-2012, 06:20 AM
As far as I'm concerned, if they come at you, drop them!

JakeP-UK
11-19-2012, 05:42 PM
*spoiler* has anyone seen the redcoat and bluecoat fighting outside of forts? and when you go near them the bluecoat kills the redcoat and for some reason the bluecoat will start saying "who did this?" "hes got to be around somewhere" and then starts investigating you -_-

machetefight
11-19-2012, 05:46 PM
They're supposed to attack you. At first I didn't know what was going on too. Ine don't even appear on my mini map and do t have SSI, unless that's for everyone as well?

vorenus73
11-19-2012, 05:49 PM
is this suppost to happen or what is the deal here ?.
i liberated boston from the redcoats and now there are bluecoats there but they attack me even more so than the redcoats do.
sometimes i see them fighting each other and i help the bluecoat , and when the redcoat is dead the bluecoat attacks me !!??.
i dont get it !
i liberated a fort (redcoats kept respawning like crazy realy un realistic) so the bleucoats (i think) took over the ford and they where real unfriendly towards me..they kept pushing me and so forth .
the game lost me .. i dont get it any more , who am i fighting and who is fighting who ?
is this a glitch or just realy bad story telling?
sorry if my enlish is not that good

Reminds me of ACII, when you help Lorenzo de Medici take control of Florence, and his soldiers (I think they wear orange) are patrolling the city now, and they become enemies too!! Makes no sense at all in terms of the storyline, I think this only happens so you always have someone to fight.

vorenus73
11-19-2012, 05:51 PM
I was wondering the same thing. My guess is that the Patriots are fashists. After all they traded the blacks as slaves and slaughtered the native indians.
Actually is is spelled "fascists" and fascism, while not my political philosophy of choice, has nothing to do with slavery or genocide of the indigenous.

Paribissee
11-19-2012, 06:48 PM
i can understand where the op is coming from even if conner didn't have a side, you would think that after winning the fort single handed and just handing the keys of the fort over to the blue coats, they would be a tad more grateful.

this!

Fred10001
11-19-2012, 10:29 PM
Hi all!

Make a fast travel to the fort in the North of Frontier. Upon arrival, the bluecoasts don't care about you, then two cases :

- if you leave and come back, even without weapon in hand, nor running, they attack you:
- if you stay in after your arrival, you'll see a redcoast pursued by bluecoasts. If you help bluecoasts and kill their enemy ... they gratify your help by trying to kill you! But if they kill him themselves, they do the same!!

This makes no sense. These are bugs and nothing else.

In the first case, you are recognized as an harmless person, but as soon as you put one foot out of the fort, you become an enemy, because of the useless first step of the wanted status in the Frontier, especially after expelling the redcoasts.
That's right, you were wanted at a time, due to your acts against redcoasts, while being clearly on the side of bluecoasts. It's just a remaining of this time and if you still have the wanted status, it's a bug.

In the second case, the AI ​​considers this as an "assassination", regardless whether it's an enemy, or the fact that bluecoasts are themselves the perpetrators. Once again, this is a bug.

Some people must stop defending this game at all costs! Overlook its flaws, because they aren't personally annoyed, does not change the fact that these are bugs.
By cons, these guys often want you to agree with them when it comes to bugs that hinder their way of seeing the game ...

the_heat11
11-19-2012, 11:31 PM
I don't complain. If anything, I'm grateful that the game gives me more enemies to kill, because I find the combat way too **** fun!

Shingram
11-19-2012, 11:52 PM
Connor does not have immunity from the law and in case you haven't played an AC game before when you walk right up in a guards face or run into them they push you....

I remembher after winning the first fort one of the captains did that...not wise...one fort wide genocide later and I think I got my point across. You don't push me. lol (Yea real tough guy intimidating lines of code)

Shingram
11-19-2012, 11:55 PM
Hey, everyone wanted Connor to be neutral, don't complain.

The example brought up doesnt show neutrality. Overall storyline neutrality is very different from doing nothing to blue coats and having faulty programming resulting in blues attacking you. Besides until the last sequence or two he was not neutral in the storyline anyway. Not that i care about the blues attacking me. i laughed at the poor AI but also enjoyed murdering the ungrateful blues.

MastaGengis
11-20-2012, 12:02 AM
The worst case of this is when you get a covert escort of redcoats in a patriot area, then there are the random redcoat diy enthusiasts left behind in fully liberated areas, one in particular is at black creek fort and gets attacked everytime i fast travel there...

Assassin_M
11-20-2012, 12:24 AM
The example brought up doesnt show neutrality. Overall storyline neutrality is very different from doing nothing to blue coats and having faulty programming resulting in blues attacking you. Besides until the last sequence or two he was not neutral in the storyline anyway. Not that i care about the blues attacking me. i laughed at the poor AI but also enjoyed murdering the ungrateful blues.
And You know all about Programming. hacking into the Game`s Codes and finding out that the AI is poor and faulty..

joeyhayes
11-20-2012, 12:37 AM
It's because, oh I don't know... They got orders to attack anyone on sight that look dodgy or suspicious. Outside of Forts, you'll get attacked by ANYONE who has an arrow above their head. SIMPLE AS THAT.

You become incognito in Valley Forge, everywhere else, you got what, 1 pip on the Notoriety meter? Doesn't that spell it out for you, that you'll be looked at on sight and then attacked if it becomes red? God you people are whinier than a French Winery.

I hear what you're saying and I know the effort it must take to get a game like this ready for market. Don't get me wrong the game is still awesome fun - it just takes you completely out of the story when you're running around organising/ordering the bluecoats and killing form them during missions, getting numerous cutscenes helping patriot characters (don't know what people are talking about saying that Connor is neutral, he's clearly working for the bluecoats for most of the game) then as soon you're not on-mission they investigate and attack you on sight.

Just a small criticism and pretty valid I would have thought.

zhengyingli
11-20-2012, 12:42 AM
I hear what you're saying and I know the effort it must take to get a game like this ready for market. Don't get me wrong the game is still awesome fun - it just takes you completely out of the story when you're running around organising/ordering the bluecoats and killing form them during missions, getting numerous cutscenes helping patriot characters (don't know what people are talking about saying that Connor is neutral, he's clearly working for the bluecoats for most of the game) then as soon you're not on-mission they investigate and attack you on sight.

Just a small criticism and pretty valid I would have thought.
Personally, I don't buy the neutrality argument. But, neutral or not, Connor is still pretty shady in the eyes of anyone. It's not like he had something similar to the Medici cape to assure the people. The blue coats that fight Connor most probably never met the latter. So of course these soldiers no matter their allegiance, wouldn't neglect an easy target like Connor.

AdmiralCole
11-20-2012, 01:23 AM
The reason blue-coats are there is because the brits no longer control the area, and someone had to watch over it.
They still arrest you if you perform illegal actions. You aren't void of the law.

the_heat11
11-20-2012, 01:26 AM
The reason blue-coats are there is because the brits no longer control the area, and someone had to watch over it.
They still arrest you if you perform illegal actions. You aren't void of the law.
I wish they would only arrest me...In NY I'm gone when I see more than 5 jagers. they are literally the only archetype that can kill me in this game cuz I always accidentalls try to continue my combos on them. Come to think of it, it would kinda be cool if sometimes the guards would just arrest you and you would have to escape prison, kinda like the Sequence 8, but a lot shorter.

zhengyingli
11-20-2012, 01:30 AM
I wish they would only arrest me...In NY I'm gone when I see more than 5 jagers. they are literally the only archetype that can kill me in this game cuz I always accidentalls try to continue my combos on them. Come to think of it, it would kinda be cool if sometimes the guards would just arrest you and you would have to escape prison, kinda like the Sequence 8, but a lot shorter.
I like this. You should only get jailed for trespassing or pick pocketing.

EDIT:

I'd like to make that suggestion in the feedback thread, if you don't mind.

Dieinthedark
11-20-2012, 01:50 AM
Yeah that could actually be entertaining. At least for awhile. Or it would come off as gimmicky and lame.

the_heat11
11-20-2012, 01:56 AM
I like this. You should only get jailed for trespassing or pick pocketing.

EDIT:

I'd like to make that suggestion in the feedback thread, if you don't mind.
sure, go ahead but it would be nice to say that we both came up with the idea

the_heat11
11-20-2012, 01:57 AM
Yeah that could actually be entertaining. At least for awhile. Or it would come off as gimmicky and lame.

Thats when you would just kill the guards like normal then

Dieinthedark
11-20-2012, 01:58 AM
Thats when you would just kill the guards like normal then

haha yeah, true

the_atm
11-20-2012, 02:15 AM
"My enemy is not a nation, but a notion" -Connor

joeyhayes
11-20-2012, 06:08 AM
Personally, I don't buy the neutrality argument. But, neutral or not, Connor is still pretty shady in the eyes of anyone. It's not like he had something similar to the Medici cape to assure the people. The blue coats that fight Connor most probably never met the latter. So of course these soldiers no matter their allegiance, wouldn't neglect an easy target like Connor.

Disagree. They've just had this 'shady' character command their firing lines and deliver critical messages, then attack him for walking down a road? Sorry, I don't buy it.


The reason blue-coats are there is because the brits no longer control the area, and someone had to watch over it.
They still arrest you if you perform illegal actions. You aren't void of the law.

They'll attack you when you're walking or standing there doing nothing - no illegal actions required.

Assassin_M
11-20-2012, 06:10 AM
They'll attack you when you're walking or standing there doing nothing - no illegal actions required.
Wrong..

It`s either a Glitch or You probably walked into restricted/guarded Territory..

zhengyingli
11-20-2012, 06:17 AM
Disagree. They've just had this 'shady' character command their firing lines and deliver critical messages, then attack him for walking down a road? Sorry, I don't buy it.




By logic, unless the patrolling soldiers are on scene with Connor during when he lent support, they would've attacked him if he's doing anything questionable. Even if they've heard/witnessed his heroic deeds to the cause, they have to do their job.

joeyhayes
11-20-2012, 07:27 AM
Wrong..

It`s either a Glitch or You probably walked into restricted/guarded Territory..

lol. Not wrong. Definately not restricted (red) territory. Has happened multiple times. Have notoriety, thats all.


By logic, unless the patrolling soldiers are on scene with Connor during when he lent support, they would've attacked him if he's doing anything questionable. Even if they've heard/witnessed his heroic deeds to the cause, they have to do their job.

Like I said, I'm routinely attacked by bluecoats even when not doing anything questionable - exactly the same as the redcoats. And if you want to extrapolate reasons as to why it happens - if the redcoats can spread the word so that every one of them will attack Connor when they see him, pretty sure the blues should be able to put word down the line that they're working with a menacing half native fellow in a white hooded robe that is to be left alone.

Assassin_M
11-20-2012, 07:31 AM
lol. Not wrong. Definately not restricted (red) territory. Has happened multiple times. Have notoriety, thats all.




Lolwut ? So...You have Notoriety.. and...You`re wondering why you`re attacked ??

zhengyingli
11-20-2012, 07:32 AM
lol. Not wrong. Definately not restricted (red) territory. Has happened multiple times. Have notoriety, thats all.


You don't need notoriety or in the red zones for this to happen. If any guard are standing guard (excluding chatting) are extra sensitive to your presence. Just being close to them will set them off.

Assassin_M
11-20-2012, 07:40 AM
You know I can just end this whole thing with one sentence, but I want to see how far he`ll go..

zhengyingli
11-20-2012, 07:46 AM
You know I can just end this whole thing with one sentence
Lookin' forward to it.

joeyhayes
11-20-2012, 07:51 AM
You know I can just end this whole thing with one sentence, but I want to see how far he`ll go..

^lol.. I love internet heroes. I've got no agenda here, just having a discussion, so if you've got some info that would help by all means post it. Or if you prefer, please end it with one sentence oh great one http://static5.cdn.ubi.com/u/ubiforums/20120411.419/images/smilies/rolleyes.png

PS to answer your question, of course I'm wondering why I'm being attacked by bluecoats even when I have notoriety. Connor spends most of the game working with them, my initial comment was it just takes you out of the story when you command their troops, deliver their messages, have numerous cutscenes helping/interacting with patriot characters only to be attacked by them 2 mins after finishing a mission for them. The story suffers because of it, it clouds who your're fighting against and what you're fighting for. Thats all.

Assassin_M
11-20-2012, 07:57 AM
^lol.. I love internet heroes. I've got no agenda here, just having a discussion, so if you've got some info that would help by all means post it. Or if you prefer, please end it with one sentence oh great one http://static5.cdn.ubi.com/u/ubiforums/20120411.419/images/smilies/rolleyes.png

PS to answer your question, of course I'm wondering why I'm being attacked by bluecoats even when I have notoriety. Connor spends most of the game working with them, my initial comment was it just takes you out of the story when you command their troops, deliver their messages, have numerous cutscenes helping/interacting with patriot characters only to be attacked by them 2 mins after finishing a mission for them. The story suffers because of it, it clouds who your're fighting against and what you're fighting for. Thats all.
Oh Alright...

Its a Simple Design Decision. Worlds that have Guards that go "Oh Wait !! That`s Connor !! We don't fight him..Come on, Boys..Let`s eat Pizza" are broken.

You know..A boring world where you`re above the Law ? Story can suffer FOR YOU all it wants..it makes absolute sense. Ezio saved Lorenzo and Suleiman, Yet he was still attacked like a ***** if he broke the law..

If that still makes no sense to you, then sorry, but that is your problem and you can stop hanging it on faulty story, poor AI or Whatever..Only hang it on your, in my opinion, flawed Perspective

zhengyingli
11-20-2012, 08:02 AM
^lol.. I love internet heroes. I've got no agenda here, just having a discussion, so if you've got some info that would help by all means post it. Or if you prefer, please end it with one sentence oh great one http://static5.cdn.ubi.com/u/ubiforums/20120411.419/images/smilies/rolleyes.png

PS to answer your question, of course I'm wondering why I'm being attacked by bluecoats even when I have notoriety. Connor spends most of the game working with them, my initial comment was it just takes you out of the story when you command their troops, deliver their messages, have numerous cutscenes helping/interacting with patriot characters only to be attacked by them 2 mins after finishing a mission for them. The story suffers because of it, it clouds who your're fighting against and what you're fighting for. Thats all.
Imagine Superman pick-pocketing; the authorities have to go after him regardless of his past world-saving deeds.

joeyhayes
11-20-2012, 09:38 AM
Oh Alright...

Its a Simple Design Decision. Worlds that have Guards that go "Oh Wait !! That`s Connor !! We don't fight him..Come on, Boys..Let`s eat Pizza" are broken.

You know..A boring world where you`re above the Law ? Story can suffer FOR YOU all it wants..it makes absolute sense. Ezio saved Lorenzo and Suleiman, Yet he was still attacked like a ***** if he broke the law..

If that still makes no sense to you, then sorry, but that is your problem and you can stop hanging it on faulty story, poor AI or Whatever..Only hang it on your, in my opinion, flawed Perspective

Agreed, but the game already has such guards - the redcoats, and there's enough of them to keep things lively without needing the blues as well. No problems with the blues attacking you if you're breaking the law at the time - its the bluecoat attack on sight while doing nothing (because you have notoriety gained from helping them) that I have an issue with. What you say does make sense in way, but it also doesn't - I'm thinking of it like this;

1. You undertake missions to help the bluecoats
2. Your actions during successful completion of said missions raises your notoriety
3. You are then attacked by the bluecoats because of notoriety gained completing missions for the bluecoats

I would say its that train of logic that is flawed rather than my perspective. But anyway, cheers for telling me how you see it. Its all just opinions.


Imagine Superman pick-pocketing; the authorities have to go after him regardless of his past world-saving deeds.

Sure, but for that analogy to apply here - The authorities would have asked Superman to pick pocket some dudes in order to get a device/detonator/whatever, and when Supes was done and gave them the device/detonator/whatever, try to arrest him coz they noticed him pick-pocketing earlier.

Anyway, think this discussion has run its course. I can see ur point of view guys, just a small opinion/criticism I had in an otherwise awesome game

Assassin_M
11-20-2012, 09:41 AM
This actually ended without any of us insulting each other ?

How you say.... Amicably ?? Is this real ?

zhengyingli
11-20-2012, 09:43 AM
1. You undertake missions to help the bluecoats
2. Your actions during successful completion of said missions raises your notoriety
3. You are then attacked by the bluecoats because of notoriety gained completing missions for the bluecoats

These three points I can actually understand. I wasn't sure if you were talking about notoriety in general or these three points.

LightRey
11-20-2012, 09:43 AM
^lol.. I love internet heroes. I've got no agenda here, just having a discussion, so if you've got some info that would help by all means post it. Or if you prefer, please end it with one sentence oh great one http://static5.cdn.ubi.com/u/ubiforums/20120411.419/images/smilies/rolleyes.png

PS to answer your question, of course I'm wondering why I'm being attacked by bluecoats even when I have notoriety. Connor spends most of the game working with them, my initial comment was it just takes you out of the story when you command their troops, deliver their messages, have numerous cutscenes helping/interacting with patriot characters only to be attacked by them 2 mins after finishing a mission for them. The story suffers because of it, it clouds who your're fighting against and what you're fighting for. Thats all.
Connor isn't some famous assassin helper of the patriots. He was even almost executed by them once. The most bluecoats probably don't even know who he is and even if they did, if he commits crimes, he becomes a wanted man, presumed ally or not.

The fact of the matter is that Connor isn't an ally of the patriots. He doesn't care for them. He fights for the Assassins and for his own village, nothing more, nothing less.

mashroot
11-20-2012, 10:29 AM
I was also confused when the blue coats attacked me without provocation. I hope that is a glitch and not the way things are supposed to be. The option of being arrested by less blood thirsty enemies sounds like it could be interesting, but it could also be a pain if not done right, and we should always have the ability to resist arrest, not like, you get tackled from behind, so you are now completely helpless to resist.

Assassin_M
11-20-2012, 10:34 AM
I was also confused when the blue coats attacked me without provocation. I hope that is a glitch and not the way things are supposed to be. The option of being arrested by less blood thirsty enemies sounds like it could be interesting, but it could also be a pain if not done right, and we should always have the ability to resist arrest, not like, you get tackled from behind, so you are now completely helpless to resist.
It`s not a glitch..

Fred10001
11-20-2012, 04:48 PM
Hi!

When a Redcoat is killed by Bluecoats in a fort and you did nothing, it's as if you could be arrested when you only seen a guy killed by cops.
If you help in his arrest, you won't be arrested neither.

In two cases, you ain't a cop (as you're not a Patriot), you just did nothing or help. How can you be considered as an enemy in this case, except if it's actually a glitch?

Unfortunately, the system lacks the ability to consider for which side you have done this or that action and received a wanted status for it.
This should affect both sides separately.

In the examples given above, it's as if you're blamed by a gang because you seen one of their gansters be killed (or if you helped for his arrest), but cops are in charge to kill you (okay, IRL, it happens, sometimes ^^).
Bluecoats cannot blame you for what you did against Redcoats. More than that, they're not supposed to work together and communicate informations about you, much less tell Bluecoasts to kill you because you have helped ... Bluecoasts.

- "Hey, I'm your ennemy! Could you please kill the one who helped you against us? Thanks!"
- "Off course, dear ennemy, my pleasure!"
Is there really someone who can agree this and don't even think something's wrong?

It's a total nonsense that actions made ​​for a side has repercussions on both sides who are totally opposed. Especially when your actions have helped one of them against the other.

We don't talk about trespassing a restricted area or doing something wrong, just doing nothing, help, or simply doing what you're supposed to do in the main story line.

joeyhayes
11-21-2012, 12:19 AM
This actually ended without any of us insulting each other ?

How you say.... Amicably ?? Is this real ?

I know!! Sorry, I suck at the internet, will throw in some random insults next time ;)


Connor isn't some famous assassin helper of the patriots.

...

The fact of the matter is that Connor isn't an ally of the patriots.

Really? For a good part of the game, I'd say thats exactly what he is.

StarzSuicide
11-21-2012, 02:43 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/727537-For-those-confused-why-the-blue-coats-attack-Connor-MINOR-SPOILER

GuitaristX1986
11-21-2012, 06:57 AM
Because if the bluecoats didn't attack you it would be exactly what people thought it was going to be, an American Vs Britain game.

Watch the original trailers and you'll see.

LightRey
11-21-2012, 12:26 PM
I know!! Sorry, I suck at the internet, will throw in some random insults next time ;)



Really? For a good part of the game, I'd say thats exactly what he is.Did you even pay attention while playing the game?
Throughout the entire game it is abundantly clear, to both the player and the patriots, that the only reason Connor is working together with them is because aiding them would further his goals. Almost all the things he did to help the patriots, he did to kill a Templar or to screw up one of their plans. When their interests did not align, he did not help them and when they conflicted, he threatened them.

Finally, again, even if he were fighting in the interests of the patriots, that does not mean that he is suddenly exempt from the law. If George Washington were to walk around the streets of Boston and randomly started killing people, he too would become a wanted man and be attacked on sight, and killed if resisting arrest.

Gh0st0fSparta8
11-21-2012, 06:14 PM
They are not enemies, but they are still soldiers and "guards" and act as the police of the city so if you break the law, they attack.

joeyhayes
11-22-2012, 01:34 AM
Did you even pay attention while playing the game?
Throughout the entire game it is abundantly clear, to both the player and the patriots, that the only reason Connor is working together with them is because aiding them would further his goals. Almost all the things he did to help the patriots, he did to kill a Templar or to screw up one of their plans. When their interests did not align, he did not help them and when they conflicted, he threatened them.

Finally, again, even if he were fighting in the interests of the patriots, that does not mean that he is suddenly exempt from the law. If George Washington were to walk around the streets of Boston and randomly started killing people, he too would become a wanted man and be attacked on sight, and killed if resisting arrest.

Throughout most of the game it is abundantly clear that Connor is working with/for the patriots. Sure its to further his own goals, but so what? It doesn't change the fact that he IS working with them and that the bluecoats are achieving their aims thanks to him.

When their interests do not align and he falls out of favor, no problem with them attacking him. Except thats not what happens. Conor will be attacked by bluecoats while not on-mission and not doing anything to provoke them, immediately after completing missions for them, due to notoriety gained from completing said missions, from about sequence 5 or 6 on I think.

And finally, again, he is not exempt from the law - that is what the redcoats are there for. For your George Washington analogy to apply - George would have been asked by the patriots to kill some redcoats (not randoms), which he does, and when he returns to the bluecoats and says 'hey guys I took care of that for you', the bluecoats arrest/attack him for killing people that they themselves have asked him to kill.

Or to state it in point form;


1. You undertake missions to help the bluecoats
2. Your actions during successful completion of said missions raises your notoriety
3. You are then attacked by the bluecoats because of notoriety gained completing missions for the bluecoats

Apologies for quoting myself but thats the simplest I can make it. If you can't see that the logic there and in the George Washington example is a bit off, well, everyone's entitled to their opinion but I think you are in the minority.

ctuagent15
11-22-2012, 02:30 AM
You guys do know that the notoriety system is a system of the animus as a way to represent the fact that in his lifetime Connor sometimes found himself wanted by the local soldiers in any of the towns he was in and he used the same methods that can be used in the animus to deal with it.
So just because when Desmond (the player) is controlling Connor in the animus and some bluecoats attack him for getting to close to them or for any of the reasons that have been talked about in this thread, does not mean that it happened to conner that often, in fact anything funny that happens like a bluecoat killing a redcoat then turning on Connor or bluecoats attacking Connor for notoriety he got for helping them can be thought of as a glitch and/or limitation of the animus.
In fact just because in between missions Desmond (the player) is running around killing red/bluecoats does not mean Conner did the same when he was alive

Andaasonsan
11-22-2012, 02:49 AM
I regularly get attacked by Bluecoats for the horrific crime of running while incognito and not going anywhere near them.

It seems to usually happen when you have them guarding an entrance to something. They get crazy aggressive and attack you if you run in their line of sight at all.

Fred10001
11-22-2012, 07:15 AM
You're not going far enough, ctuagent15.

In fact, all the bugs in the game come from the Animus. Something related with the energy of the Temple, maybe ...

Good news for developers: no need to spend time and money to patch, player's imagination works just as well ... for free! :p

Staple-Tape
11-22-2012, 07:19 AM
The blue coats attack you because the game wouldn't be any fun if they were friendly.

Fred10001
11-22-2012, 07:58 AM
We don't want them to be friendly and condone bad things. We totally agree if they do it when we are guilty or if we seek for a fight.

We just want they don't attack us for no reason.

Is it so hard to understand? ^^

Staple-Tape
11-22-2012, 08:03 AM
We don't want them to be friendly and condone bad things. We totally agree if they do it when we are guilty or if we seek for a fight.

We just want they don't attack us for no reason.

Is it so hard to understand? ^^
They don't attack you for no reason. They push you if you run into them. That's all.

montagemik
11-22-2012, 08:18 AM
lol , they push you around because you play as a Native american - Your people rightfully own what they selfishly want , Read a little U.S history , The 'patriots' (:rolleyes:) treat everyone but themselves with distain pretty much , hinted at more in the games epilogue .
Gratitude isn't really their thing (as shaun says , lol )

Staple-Tape
11-22-2012, 08:23 AM
lol , they push you around because you play as a Native american - Your people rightfully own what they selfishly want , Read a little U.S history , The 'patriots' (:rolleyes:) treat everyone but themselves with distain pretty much , hinted at more in the games epilogue .
Gratitude isn't really their thing (as shaun says , lol )

Pretty much what this guy said. ^

Fred10001
11-22-2012, 08:53 AM
Sorry, but ... this also happens to Haytham, so ...

montagemik
11-22-2012, 09:16 AM
Sorry, but ... this also happens to Haytham, so ...

MMM really ?
The 'patriots' aren't in the game at the time WE play as Haytham - & When haytham returns later in the game - They are the patriots & Haytham is as ENGLISH as they come , so which part confuses you ??

Fred10001
11-22-2012, 09:45 AM
Earlier in the game of course!
I'm talking about Redcoasts, while Haytham is also a Brit. And, here too, without ever do something wrong nor being wanted.

I never imagined having to explain so much ...

Bugs are apparently not the same for everyone. Those who don't have these problems should stop saying that there is no problem. We don't play the same game -- things do not occur the same, I mean.
It's as if a car driver complained of the fourth wheel of his car, but bikers answered him: "Hey, there are only two wheels on a vehicle, dude, lol!"

Aside, I guess those who rush the game cannot see it, cuz they always run over enemies and fight them. They're more playing "Serial killer / Warrior's Creed" than "Assassin's Creed". ^ ^
They're free to do, of course!

XxFEARLESSEINxX
11-22-2012, 09:52 AM
Earlier in the game of course!
I'm talking about Redcoasts, while Haytham is also a Brit. And, here too, without ever do something wrong nor being wanted.

I never imagined having to explain so much ...

It's the British military.
Under control of Braddock.
Who happens to hate Kenway.

I know, logic. Right?


I never imagined having to explain so much

Fred10001
11-22-2012, 10:33 AM
So, if you're right, why Haytham isn't full wanted all the time?

There's no half logic. ;)

LightRey
11-22-2012, 10:36 AM
Throughout most of the game it is abundantly clear that Connor is working with/for the patriots. Sure its to further his own goals, but so what? It doesn't change the fact that he IS working with them and that the bluecoats are achieving their aims thanks to him.

When their interests do not align and he falls out of favor, no problem with them attacking him. Except thats not what happens. Conor will be attacked by bluecoats while not on-mission and not doing anything to provoke them, immediately after completing missions for them, due to notoriety gained from completing said missions, from about sequence 5 or 6 on I think.

And finally, again, he is not exempt from the law - that is what the redcoats are there for. For your George Washington analogy to apply - George would have been asked by the patriots to kill some redcoats (not randoms), which he does, and when he returns to the bluecoats and says 'hey guys I took care of that for you', the bluecoats arrest/attack him for killing people that they themselves have asked him to kill.

Or to state it in point form;



Apologies for quoting myself but thats the simplest I can make it. If you can't see that the logic there and in the George Washington example is a bit off, well, everyone's entitled to their opinion but I think you are in the minority.
Who cares that he's working with them? Mercenaries work together with armies all the time, yet they are rarely trusted. Most soldiers wouldn't even have known who Connor was, just (when notorious) that he's a criminal and a (half-)native one at that. Are you honestly going to argue that he was some famed hero of the patriots that brought them numerous victories and outshone all other soldiers? If you are, you are being ridiculous. The only people who even knew of his impact on the battlefield were the people he came into contact with. Did you read the news articles shown in the database? Not one even mentions him by name and they certainly don't mention any details about his heroic deeds.
Also, no, nobody will have given out the order that they shouldn't shoot the guy in the white hood. That's also ridiculous.

That's what the redcoats are for? Seriously? You do realize that the patriots had their own laws by then, right? And god knows they enforced them. How could the redcoats even enforce the law in Boston after being driven out?

And no, for my GW analogy to apply he need only kill random people, because bluecoats will not attack you for being notorious after killing redcoats. You know why? Because the areas where you'll be notorious will only be populated by redcoats. The only exception is during/before the Boston Tea Party, but at that time the bluecoats are town militia and are still serving the crown, and they would see any death of a redcoat as murder even if they oppose them, because there was no war.

Fred10001
11-22-2012, 11:49 AM
Once again (you must repeat many times for some people ...):

Most of us talk about being attacked when there is actually no reason. Just walking down the street, far to soldiers, no stealing nor being notorious, no trespassing restricted area nor standing front guards who defend areas (not in red) or nothing else bad, even no climbing (must I really list everything or did you understood, now?)... nothing, n-o-t-h-i-n-g.

Suddenly, for no reason (even not during a specific sequence), they attack you, and that's it!

Why do you imagine reasons (which we say we don't do) to justify? Maybe you do things to justify this, but us, not.

Missyoober
11-22-2012, 12:19 PM
They're guards and still the enemy. Connor wasn't on any side, and would murder the crap out of any guard. They only attack you if you're in restricted area, on the roof, annoyed them or just notorious.

But it is a bit weird when you go to a fort and they kill a redcoat right next to you, then go in open conflict because they think you're the murderer. _"

Missyoober
11-22-2012, 12:23 PM
But everyone should know, all guards in the Assassins Creed series are idiots... -_-

zhengyingli
11-22-2012, 12:24 PM
Once again (you must repeat many times for some people ...):

Most of us talk about being attacked when there is actually no reason. Just walking down the street, far to soldiers, no stealing nor being notorious, no trespassing restricted area nor standing front guards who defend areas (not in red) or nothing else bad, even no climbing (must I really list everything or did you understood, now?)... nothing, n-o-t-h-i-n-g.

Suddenly, for no reason (even not during a specific sequence), they attack you, and that's it!

Why do you imagine reasons (which we say we don't do) to justify? Maybe you do things to justify this, but us, not.
Story reasons are pretty subjective, I think. But I can tell you something about the mechanics: The guards seem to be extremely sensitive when you approach 'em while they're standing guard, especially if you simply walk up to them from behind. If you climb near them, they'll mistaken you for trying to circumvent their defenses. You don't need red zones to set them off. I know it's confusing at first, as the soldiers standing guard in past games are less sensitive but retaliate the same way.

LightRey
11-22-2012, 12:26 PM
Once again (you must repeat many times for some people ...):

Most of us talk about being attacked when there is actually no reason. Just walking down the street, far to soldiers, no stealing nor being notorious, no trespassing restricted area nor standing front guards who defend areas (not in red) or nothing else bad, even no climbing (must I really list everything or did you understood, now?)... nothing, n-o-t-h-i-n-g.

Suddenly, for no reason (even not during a specific sequence), they attack you, and that's it!

Why do you imagine reasons (which we say we don't do) to justify? Maybe you do things to justify this, but us, not.
In such cases you're simply trespassing. Pay attention to the guards guarding stuff.

Fred10001
11-25-2012, 01:28 AM
=> "[...] nor standing front guards who defend areas (not in red) [...]
As you can see, I also talk about this case. Areas that aren't indicated in red, with guards who defend these places.

I am also aware not to go behind them. As can happen at the exit of a fast travel point in the ruins of New York, for example.

If you do one of these things I listed, I agree, but I pointed out that this happens while you don't do it.

This is a glitch! Apparently, it did not happen to everyone, but once again, if it has not happened to you, don't come to say it doesn't exist. It's as if a born blind would say that colors do not exist. You just did not seen this glitch occur to you.

I had no problem with the pivots, but I believe those who complain about it. Why can't you do the same? ;)

ZephyrStrife
11-25-2012, 01:32 AM
Perhaps they feel like going on a merry chase and Connor stands out like a sore thumb? :cool: