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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 12:33 AM
what was the % of aircraft equipted with it( of the ones equipped with it) ( by mod no ) and am i wrong to think the owl was most often the recipiant of this? and lastly are there any % of attacks by such aircraft to kill ratios availabe .thanks in advance

U.S. infantry 84-91

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 12:33 AM
what was the % of aircraft equipted with it( of the ones equipped with it) ( by mod no ) and am i wrong to think the owl was most often the recipiant of this? and lastly are there any % of attacks by such aircraft to kill ratios availabe .thanks in advance

U.S. infantry 84-91

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 12:56 AM
Excuse me? Either I read this totally wrong or it didn't make a whole lot of sense...

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 12:56 AM
Dreaded double post

Message Edited on 09/10/0306:57PM by Shifty101

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:10 AM
seems clear to me but thats me i wrote it,lets cut it down a little.... ...for example the he219 owl... some of them were equiped with this but i dont know how many actually were. of the total he219 output. i have read only a few personal accounts of it being used, i would like any more info as what i have is limited.. i have some leads and am checking them

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:27 AM
To the best of my knowledge approx 15% of these a/c were equipped in this fashion and yes it was the owl in most situations. I cant quite remember wher I saw the actual kill stats. I will have to investigate that further./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:47 AM
Sorry Mike, it was me. I thought there was a type because I have no idea what a schrage musik is. Would you mind explaining to me what this is?

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 02:15 AM
yes sir.. it was a arraingment of either mk108 or mk108 and a few versions had 20mm as well.. arrainged into a "pack" or grouping pointing upward at a 75-80 deg angle.. this was used i m pretty sure only on night fighters...brit planes had no belly guns so you fly under a lancaster and let loose.. it woorked very well just dont hit the bomb bay!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 02:15 AM
Schrage Musik was a special cannon installation fitted to LW nightfighters as a way of bringing down bombers by approaching from underneath, in their blind spot. (Most UK Bombers had no ventral turret). It was usually a pair of obliquely upward/forward firing 20mm cannon, built into the fuselage and poking out of the top. They were remotely sighted from the cockpit.

The technique used was for the Nightfighter to approach a Bomber from below, 'swimming' up through the darkness, unseen against the ground. It would manoeuvre until beneath the bomber and aim at the wing root, or fuel tanks. One burst was usually enough to down the Bomber. For a while, Bomber Command was unaware of this threat because so few Bombers attacked like this survived to report back. Eventually they realised what was happening and took measures to counter it.

The He219 Uhu was a indeed recipient of this installation, but it was also fitted to Bf110's and JU88's.

"If I had all the money I've spent on drink....I'd spend it on drink!"

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 03:10 AM
me410 as well.......... i could not find my answers and my searchs got me some info just not what i wanted exactly.. he219 production 268 planes... pretty fair impact for so few planes..

U.S. infantry 84-91

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 03:46 AM
hi
"on the other hand,it was extremely difficult to stay below
a bomber that was taking evasive action.the new armament
rapidly gained in favour despite the prejudice of the old
hands,and Schnaufer for one estimated that in the later stages of the war,50% of nightfighter attacks were carried out with the upward-firing guns" - german nightfighter aces
ww2
theres not much more in this book,like stats,i ll post
more if i find anything.

After it was refeuled i climbed in.With many manipulations the mechcanics started the turbines.I followed their actions with the greatest of interest.The first one started quite easily.the second caught fire.In no time the whole engine was on fire.Luckily as a fighter pilot i was used to getting quickly out of the cockpit.The fire was quickly put out.The second plane caused no trouble - Adolf Galland (first time in a ME262)

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 03:49 AM
Yep seems to be only the Hey 219-A2/R1 that were fitted.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 04:01 AM
Schrage Muzik... the beat's on the 1 and the 3.

I read a website that showed an installation in a Bf 109, although I guess it was more commonly done to twin engine night fighters. Ju 88, He 219, Bf 110.

Sure would be nice to have a flyable 88.... I mean, I like the He 111 and all but it just ain't the same.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 04:07 AM
Also A5,6,7

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 04:30 AM
The Japanese had a similar arrangement in one of their twin engined fighters late in the war. Seemed to be effective against B-29.

S! Wolf


"If it's uncamouflaged it's American, if it's camouflaged, it's Russian, if it's invisible, it's German!" Uffz. Johne, JG 51

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 04:37 AM
Oblt_A_Wolf ..........what ya got on that, never heard of jap use

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 04:50 AM
The Bf-110G4 was equipped with the Schrage Musik cannons, I'm not sure about the Ju-88 though

"An attack against a unit of Flying Fortresses was something like controlled suicide...Sometimes 50, Sometimes 80 machine guns were firing at you... You attempted to close your eyes & continue to fire, Frightened to death, Frightened to death."

Oberst Johannes Steinhoff (176 kills)

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 04:54 AM
ju-88 g i believe was the model

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 05:05 AM
http://www.nightbomber.com.......check this out ,click the intel tab than over to the nacht jager line

U.S. infantry 84-91

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 05:06 AM
http://www.nightbomber.com

U.S. infantry 84-91