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Moka.21
09-09-2004, 05:03 AM
Being a full-time parachutist in the virtual skies, I was wondering would it ever be possible
to pull the trigger of the chute all by myself
and thus perhaps avoid being shot to death while
just hanging there...
Not too complicated for BoB atleast?

Moka.21
09-09-2004, 05:03 AM
Being a full-time parachutist in the virtual skies, I was wondering would it ever be possible
to pull the trigger of the chute all by myself
and thus perhaps avoid being shot to death while
just hanging there...
Not too complicated for BoB atleast?

Foo.bar
09-09-2004, 09:34 AM
great idea. bump.

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LuftLuver
09-09-2004, 10:33 AM
Terrific Idea!

1 - Let us pull the canopy handle

2 - Let us bail

3 - Let us have a First Person View all the way down

4 - Let us pull the ripcord

Take away the random looong delays with the current Ctrl + E to simulate the above events.

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crazyivan1970
09-09-2004, 11:08 AM
completely agree

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p1ngu666
09-09-2004, 11:41 AM
be cool if u could code fm for pilot
so he can glide/zoom where HE wants to go http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
also he needs to be tougher, pilots die too easy when they hit the dirt imo

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BBB_Hyperion
09-09-2004, 08:24 PM
Boom & Zooming Pilots ?

Also maybe sometimes chute dont open .)

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GT182
09-09-2004, 08:28 PM
Yeah, and stop him from running on water. And, from running where he shouldn't, like to the middle of an active runway. LOL

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p1ngu666
09-09-2004, 09:27 PM
sorta
some guy parashooted across the english channel to france, freefall with a special bird/wing suit.
now i dont expect a ordinary pilot to be able to glide very far, but some distance is possible http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

also have some control on ground, like he can run so far, then exhausted, so u could run to front line or the pub, or brothel http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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ImpStarDuece
09-10-2004, 12:31 AM
Does anyone else find it annoying that when you are hanging in your straps the AAA decides that you make a real nice target?

Sure we just bombed their base and killed their virutal comrades but do they really have to be so damned nasty about it?

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Mysticpuma2003
09-10-2004, 10:56 AM
I think this is a great idea, I'd also like to add that when a pilot is heavily wounded he should bail (if on the ground), from his crashed plane,and limp away or even crawl. Think of the the suspense if the planes on fire and he's dragging himself away http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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lookatsix
09-10-2004, 01:24 PM
good idea i might say http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xnomad
09-10-2004, 01:50 PM
Bump!!!
And think of the newbies who don't read the manual... all falling to their deaths...... SPLAT http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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LuftLuver
09-10-2004, 03:02 PM
Seems like a good idea to most, then. I'm not so sure about having free-fall pilot control. Vindictive losers of dogfights would simply free dive and saw the winner's wing off. I would. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Two funny IL2 pilot stories:

1 - After a long and satisfying victory in a 1 v 1, I tracked my victim's stricken and burning a/c to watch him bail. I watched his face get closer and closer and you guessed it, he came right through my windscreen! Killed us both. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

2 - On a popular online server I was on final as I noticed an a/c skidding to a halt on its belly on the taxiway next to me. As I sped along at 100kph on rollout this pilot bails out of his plane, runs right across the runway in front of me and lays down to do the tantrum pose. A quick thud and I'm ground looping down the runway with one gear sheared off!

Dang I wish I had tracks of these two events. Just goes to prove that the more activity you can program into the game's humans the more interesting, entertaining and comical these flight sims can be.

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Moka.21
09-11-2004, 01:06 AM
Bailing out without having to open your chute makes the action too automatic, correcting this
would greatly add to immersion. Outside his ac
the pilot could have a "cockpit off" view and a
FM of the human body during free fall? I would
not mind going back to the original game scene of a man hanging in the air, as it is now, when the free fall is over, if this could be done in FB already.

triggerhappyfin
09-13-2004, 01:55 PM
Great idea http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

By the way, have you seen that athlet of a pilot bailing from CFS3 kites....nice peace of animation, compared with the pilot bailing right through sides of fuselages and through wings and engines http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif in FB.

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triggerhappyfin
09-13-2004, 01:58 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention that:

It´s not the falling thats dangerous when you bail....but hitting ground can kill you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Heads-on firing was not a safe practice after all ?
Jussi Huotari: It was not specially recommended.....
And later, as the Russians were armed with 20mm cannons, it was unwise to meet them heads-on

Willey
09-13-2004, 06:07 PM
Press Ctrl + E multiple times:

1. nothing
2. nothing
3. blow canopy off and 5-10s delay for next click (not to get out in half a second http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) or ejection seat immediately
4. open parachute
( 5. flare chute )

T_O_A_D
09-13-2004, 07:04 PM
on top of all that I want to pull my side arm and defend myselfhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Then once on the ground capture their base!

It would be cool to be able to land at opponents airbase after AAA is destroyed and game change base to your color as captured.

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Vrabac
09-14-2004, 05:23 AM
I was told to post this here, and it seems right to do so. So, here it goes.

I don't think this should be difficult to implement and I appologize if someone else already mentioned it.

So, first thing is to make player a little tougher. Sure, falling to the ground too fast is bad, but when you open the parachute and drift for 15 seconds, I think thats slow enough to survive. Make the player break a leg or something, so to make him wounded and skip a campaign in singleplayer, but don't make him dead, please!

Second is something a bit different, but I think it to be very important. When I press ctrl+e, everything is finished. Bailing is inevitable, if possible of course. I would like there to be a button to make me cancel the bailing out. It happened to me a few times that I was hit in a wing at a low altitude and the plane suddenly sunk on that side and it seemed that I lost a wing. So I pressed ctrl+e desperatly trying to save myself, thinkig how low I am, but than realized that the wing is still there. Or what just happened to me in vwf. My ailerons were disabled at very low alt, I immediatly pushed ctrl+e as I thought there is no way to roll back to neutral. Than it occured to me i still had rudder. I rolled back and pulled back to gain altitude, but the pilot bailed too early an I died. Now, I know that it's my mistake, but still, I realized the mistake before bailing so in reality I could still make it right.

Think about it please. It really seems easy to do.

Obi_Kwiet
09-14-2004, 10:31 AM
That would rock. You could see the piolot's hand and legs in the C-pit, and you would be in 1n person as he climbs out!

Vrabac
09-14-2004, 11:00 AM
Here's a proposition: Instead of just pressing ctrl+e, you'd have to hold it pressed untill you bail. Let's make it like this:

Hold it pressed for, say, 5 secs, the cockpit is opened. Hold it for another 3 secs and you're out. And include limited control, or even no control while holding ctrl+e pressed.

I think that would seem more "real" if anything can feel real about bailing while sittting in front of the computer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It really doesn't seem difficult to include, doesn't require a new button, and would prevent some truly meaningless deaths like mine described above. Not to say it would help save my nerves. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Daiichidoku
09-14-2004, 03:14 PM
Not only that, but even to pull his sidearm and shoot at the plane that just shot you down, hehehe..give us a first person view for the bailedd pilot with a crosshair so we can REALLY have "airquake"....not that it would do much, of course.....mind you, alucky hit would knock out the engine in the P47 im sure...<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
on top of all that I want to pull my side arm and defend myselfhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Then once on the ground capture their base!

It would be cool to be able to land at opponents airbase after AAA is destroyed and game change base to your color as captured.

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T_O_A_D
09-14-2004, 05:35 PM
I was full of sarcasim on that posting. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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BigganD
09-15-2004, 07:20 AM
The thing i want about baling, is that first the pilot opens the cocpit-cabin(not throwing it away) and then he bails away.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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Vrabac
09-15-2004, 09:12 AM
Does anyone with influence even read this, or are we just wasting our time? No offence, I'm just curious. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JaBo_HH--Gotcha
09-17-2004, 02:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Does anyone else find it annoying that when you are hanging in your straps the AAA decides that you make a real nice target?

Sure we just bombed their base and killed their virutal comrades but do they really have to be so damned nasty about it?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL ! if this is what you call nasty how about a realistic eastern front option of "killed while captured"...

Hartmann, in his biography, speaks about well motivated crack Guards regiments of the VVS. On one occasion there was a report where one of these guys downed a german experte who parachuted to safety and hid in the forests.
He was surroudned by russian troops.
The pilot who shot him (the guardsmen..) landed his yak nearby , went out of the plane, ran into the forest beat up the pilot and strangled him to death.....

I imagine he was seriously pi***d off or as hartmann states "well motivated".
Remember we're talking of young guys in their twenties here... SICK TIME

So how about a "if shot by guards-regiment, chance of being killed in captivity is 50%".... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Then I remember reading from a FW190D pilot who crashlanded his plane somewhere in belgium and wos shot by a peasant.....

and finally the story of a polish pilot who was downed over france and photographed being just lightly injured before he was reported killed.
The germans killed him because they accused him to be a german traitor. All because he was born in berlin, before the war, moved out to poland and spoke fluent german...

If we all sum it up, I think the weird AI-gunners are just weird. just hit escape-refly fast enough and it's ok.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Punik
09-17-2004, 04:43 PM
Long time ago I have been posting about free pilot ground movement, and the ability to rescue one. We have been over the reality issue a few times, so if you want to argue about that, search up my previous posts. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Imagine the fun, when you get shot down, manually bail, open your chute and land, then
a) run for the forest so the winner can't shoot you running around... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
b) stay in the field and fire a flare/smoke, so the mates can see you and wait for one to land near by to pick you up.
The point system for this was also developed long time ago, so it would be nice bonus for your stats, if you could talk someone into rescuing you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Also, the rescuing pilot could get a big "valor" bonus, for landing in the field (which is almost suicide these days http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif), and for saving the life of a fellow pilot. I think there would be a relatively little programming required for this, and the fun would be well worth it.
Also, there could be a 3 round flare pistol, which when fired against other pilot would be fatal. But being stuck in the middle of nowhere with NO flares can be as fatal as well... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Of course, more programming would have to be made in the case of flare pistols and stuff, but I am sure the Maddox team could handle that. But the last answer I got - they won't. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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TX-EcoDragon
09-25-2004, 05:34 AM
Hmmm. . .Bump

And what about steering toggles?? Now that would be cool!

adriatic
10-03-2004, 07:18 AM
After bailing, we shoudl be eable to stear pilot with joystic axes, meaking his arm or leg puling up which will bring him to another direction.. WIth self decition whan to pull parachute-can be done with triger. HOTAS bailing out..

But this will be bailling sim than, it will be nice he can also walk after, jump in some car, fight on the ground, my hope's for future is that we will have one ground on wich will fight 10000 people, from tactic freaks, to navy/tanks/army/aviation people, with influence beetwen each another.. I dont have to se people runing, at least he dont take some flak in his arms, he should have ground detail, with interior like in all games, we air like we have..
I hope there will be one engine for all sim/game's one day with real mass wirtual war...

LStarosta
10-03-2004, 07:01 PM
Yup.. I've been saying this for quite a while now..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JaBo_HH--Gotcha:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Does anyone else find it annoying that when you are hanging in your straps the AAA decides that you make a real nice target?

Sure we just bombed their base and killed their virutal comrades but do they really have to be so ****ed nasty about it?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL ! if this is what you call nasty how about a realistic eastern front option of "killed while captured"...

Hartmann, in his biography, speaks about well motivated crack Guards regiments of the VVS. On one occasion there was a report where one of these guys downed a german experte who parachuted to safety and hid in the forests.
He was surroudned by russian troops.
The pilot who shot him (the guardsmen..) landed his yak nearby , went out of the plane, ran into the forest beat up the pilot and strangled him to death.....

I imagine he was seriously pi***d off or as hartmann states "well motivated".
Remember we're talking of young guys in their twenties here... SICK TIME

So how about a "if shot by guards-regiment, chance of being killed in captivity is 50%".... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Then I remember reading from a FW190D pilot who crashlanded his plane somewhere in belgium and wos shot by a peasant.....

and finally the story of a polish pilot who was downed over france and photographed being just lightly injured before he was reported killed.
The germans killed him because they accused him to be a german traitor. All because he was born in berlin, before the war, moved out to poland and spoke fluent german...

If we all sum it up, I think the weird AI-gunners are just weird. just hit escape-refly fast enough and it's ok.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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I'd be interested to know a little more about this Polish pilot you speak of! Sounds interesting.

Mispunt
10-17-2004, 06:13 AM
Anyone played Joint Strike Fighter? That sim gave you the option to leg it back to base after you bailed complete with sidearm. Ofcourse there was really nothing to shoot and the maps where vast, but still a nice thouch. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Philipscdrw
10-18-2004, 09:06 PM
No silly pistols or capturing or running on the ground! That's just silly!

Many good ideas here though. In order of ease to make:

- Let player pull ripcord with Ctrl-E
- Make player open or jettison canopy before bailing by holding or repeatedly hitting Ctrl-E
- Let player have 1st person view from chute
-let player steer while falling to a limited extent.
- Let player control landing roll to reduce injury & chance of capture

Also an idea for multicrew aircraft:
- Command for Crew Bail. Like when the aircraft is badly damaged the pilot tells the other crew to bail out while he ditches or belly-lands.
- Change scoring system to record crewmember life.
- Provide cargo & supplies and weapon canisters as paratroop loadouts.