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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:19 AM
The Boulton Paul Defiant simply has to be modelled. Its like a hurricane. It has no forward firing guns. It has a rearward firing turret. It would rule the skies. Perhaps. To be fair, it did do quite well as a night fighter. Maybe if Oleg and 1C embarked on a project to model every aircraft of the war, it would finally find its way onto a flight sim. Theres some good pics and info on http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/Defiant.htm

Have a look at some of the pics.
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/Mk1%20Defiant.jpg


http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/defiantNF.jpg

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/defiant-mk1.jpg



http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/defiant-bpa4.jpg

(The last pic looks a bit like a hurricane but was a single seat mockup)

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Message Edited on 08/09/0310:20AM by EDtheHead6445

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:19 AM
The Boulton Paul Defiant simply has to be modelled. Its like a hurricane. It has no forward firing guns. It has a rearward firing turret. It would rule the skies. Perhaps. To be fair, it did do quite well as a night fighter. Maybe if Oleg and 1C embarked on a project to model every aircraft of the war, it would finally find its way onto a flight sim. Theres some good pics and info on http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/Defiant.htm

Have a look at some of the pics.
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/Mk1%20Defiant.jpg


http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/defiantNF.jpg

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/defiant-mk1.jpg



http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/defiant-bpa4.jpg

(The last pic looks a bit like a hurricane but was a single seat mockup)

To be able to fare well,
To avoid the frustration of misfortune,
That, in this world, is happiness.
-Euripides' Electra

Message Edited on 08/09/0310:20AM by EDtheHead6445

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:26 AM
Ok then,get to work/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:28 AM
was it used on EF?

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:41 AM
It's a real shame that the Defiant was never allowed to fully develop.I think with development it could of been the WW2 equivalent of the Bristol F2b Fighter.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:47 AM
not sure if this plane was really THAT good.... i read about that it was quite unsuccessful and was shoot down many times... only a quite small series was built...

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:00 PM
Now that's what I call a cool plane! Looks like the turret could be rotated for full frontal firing, and so would have had a near complete defence arc (besides down of course). I'm guessing the defiant's downfall came from the heavy load (crew) and sub par performance, not its offencive capabilities!

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:18 PM
Bazoooooka wrote:
- not sure if this plane was really THAT good.... i
- read about that it was quite unsuccessful and was
- shoot down many times... only a quite small series
- was built...
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It was a disaster as a dayfighter, but were
used with better succes as a night fighter.


almost every of the 1064 Defs built were used as night fighters .

by the way someone has already started on modeling it
long time ago, but I dont know the status of it now.

I wonder how it performed without that turrent, like
in the last pic.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:31 PM
I mean LOOK at it! It could never be as manouevarable as the Hurri with that bobble on the back and 2 men. And imagine how hard it would be for the gunner to hit anything while it was trying to evade etc. It comes across to me like a pregnant hurricane. It would need its own fighter cover! I`m no expert, but I can see why it was never much used or known.





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Message Edited on 08/09/0311:33AM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:37 PM
I read some place (modelingmadness i think)that the plane once got out runned by a german biplane seaplane

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:58 PM
first, it was very heavy, because of the turret and second crewman

second, it wasn't very good at shooting down planes, just remember the easiest way to shoot at something is when that thing is directly in your flight path, beside that, deflection effects will ruin your efforts...

third, the only success it had was when german first encountered it, they just hadn't noticed the turret, after that, it was doomed, and very soon left front line day fighting... Remained in night fighting for sometime, but wasn't as successful as the beau, so it disappeared...


but yes, the concept is..... interesting....

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:59 PM
A guy did a lot of work on the Defiant, but he was stopped by the issue of the gun turret, which for some reason was not compatible with the Fb engine... -It was on the now defunct il-2 modellingh site.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 01:55 PM
The first picture looks like the bastard child of a spitfire and an IL2. Oops, can I say bastard in the forums?


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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 02:14 PM
It was 32 percent heavier than the Hurricane and fitted with the same Merlin III engine. The guns coulnot fire forwards due to the prop being in the way, and on 19 july 1940 nine Defiants were attacked bysome Me109s and six were lost, most in the first pass! However it would be nice to see it modeled in this sim.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 03:03 PM
The Defiant was an utter failure and swiftly removed from frontline service - some were used briefly and unsucessfully as nightfighters - I wouldn't be too sad, if this dog never made its way into FB ...

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 03:49 PM
My friend has this picture hanging on his wall, titled "Defiant but Doomed." The Defiants were used in the very early stages of the Battle of Britain with minimal success, rather like its German counterpart the 110.

http://www.aviatorart.com/stokes/images/s-109.jpg


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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:05 PM
EDtheHead6445 wrote:
- The Boulton Paul Defiant simply has to be modelled.
- Its like a hurricane. It has no forward firing guns.
- It has a rearward firing turret. It would rule the
- skies. Perhaps. To be fair, it did do quite well as
- a night fighter. Maybe if Oleg and 1C embarked on a
- project to model every aircraft of the war, it would
- finally find its way onto a flight sim. Theres some
- good pics and info on http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/Defiant.htm" (http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/Defiant.htm)


Hey, thanks for the link, here are some links to get you started.

http://www.discreet.com/products/3dsmax/

http://www.journeyed.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?UID=2003080910013520&GEN0=&GEN1=&GEN2=&GEN3=&GEN4=&GEN5=&GEN6=&GEN7=&GEN8=&GEN9=index2.html&TRAN85=Y&T1=98144842&FNM=00&UREQA=2&UREQB=1&UREQC=3&UREQD=4

some tutorials

http://www.3dcafe.com/asp/tut3ds.asp

and some schooling

http://www.aipx.edu/admissions_tuition.html#gad

enjoy.

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I'll put it on my list of planes to work on.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:21 PM
I think I read somewhere that there were plans to replace the turret w/ something lighter and less drag, but by then they stopped development.

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:59 PM
BTW I wasn't being entirely serious. I just thought it might be an O.K. idea since IL2FB has done quite a good job with other less well known planes- if you think about it even the IL2 was not a very well known aircraft despite its' excellent performance in the war. People in the west prefer to remember other aircraft, such as the P47, P51, Spitfire, Hurricane and B17. Of course the Defiant would not be a very good aircraft to model, but it would be different. I would however be really interested in other projects, such as a flyable Fairey Swordfish (an old looking but succesful torpedo bomber,) or even, since we might be getting a B17 (eventually), a Lancaster, Wellington, a B24 or even (since they are making a Zero) a Betty or an Aichi D3A1 Val dive bomber. The Val could be similar (in a sense) to the Stuka due to fixed landing gear, slow top speed and dive bombing role. Of course, I don't have a clue about how to model aircraft, especially for IL2 and I am extremely respectful of the excellent and commendable efforts made by modellers. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

To be able to fare well,
To avoid the frustration of misfortune,
That, in this world, is happiness.
-Euripides' Electra

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:22 PM
Beside the Val they need a B5n Kate or a B6n Jill. Anyways the Paul is a good early night fighter for battle of Britain. But i would like to see a BeauFighter, Flyable Me-210 or (new ME-410) and a F6F-hellcat (since they got zero's)