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Yum_Yum
06-10-2004, 02:52 AM
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Usually I can be found using a Focke Wulf on most servers, but rescently I used some servers where it was not available and had to use one of the Me 109 types.

I noticed how it appeared to be more easy to shoot planes in half or shoot of the wings when using an Me 109 with a single Mk 108 ?.

When I have used my Focke Wulf with 2 mk 108's it does not appear to be so acurate even though I have 2 of the cannons!.

Is this accuracy something to do with where the guns are located within the aircraft, or are the cannons different in some way ?

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Yum_Yum
06-10-2004, 02:52 AM
Hello http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Usually I can be found using a Focke Wulf on most servers, but rescently I used some servers where it was not available and had to use one of the Me 109 types.

I noticed how it appeared to be more easy to shoot planes in half or shoot of the wings when using an Me 109 with a single Mk 108 ?.

When I have used my Focke Wulf with 2 mk 108's it does not appear to be so acurate even though I have 2 of the cannons!.

Is this accuracy something to do with where the guns are located within the aircraft, or are the cannons different in some way ?

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Brotrob
06-10-2004, 03:16 AM
Hello Yum_Yum,

indeed, in real life the engine-mounted cannons on planes were known for better accuracy ! I know that tis doesnt proof anything, but I remember having read about one Luftwaffe-Pilot complaining that the " incredibly accurate engine mounted MK 108 " was only available on a few 109s . Or in other statements something like " the superior accuracy of the engine-cannon".

But I doubt that this is the reason why you perform better with the 109 cannon, its just couse you need not to attend convergence , as you have to do with outer wing-cannons

Best Regards,

BLUE_Brotrob

F19_Ob
06-10-2004, 03:58 AM
In the 110 The 30mm cannons have the same effect as the 109.
I have noticed that in the fw190 U more often shoot from directly behind and hitting the tailplane from that angle doesnt always make it come off with one hit(even with the 109) but if u hit it at some angle it works better...when I practice I try to angle a bit so I can go for the engine or wing.

purzel08
06-10-2004, 07:18 AM
Flying on greatergreen and shooting with mk108 only just showed me that this gun still has not the power it should have. My stats say that I still need about 3 hits to down a single prop fighter. That´s why I prefer the Fw190 with 4 MG151. Perhaps the same with the 37mm. I don´t know.

greetings...

Yum_Yum
06-10-2004, 07:45 AM
I think I am a good shot in my Focke Wulf and I don't ever remember shooting any plane which was closer than 300m (I prefer to be as far away as possible)http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, and the gun convergence I use has remained the same since I have been using the game.

I just tried the Me110 and found it to be just as accurate as the Me 109 amazing!. It is something I have not taken into consideration before or even knew about.

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WUAF_Boxer
06-10-2004, 09:03 AM
The FW is my main ride and I love the wing mounted 108's. More so than the bf's engine mounted one. I have my convergence set at 250m and I usualy wait until im very close to pull the trigger. 1 burst almost always brings the plane down.

GazzaMataz
06-10-2004, 09:17 AM
Well, I know I am not the anywhere near the best at gunnery myself, but I have been flying the Bf109F2 in the original Il-2 for a while now and it seems like it has a pop-gun compared to the FW 109. You get so much more for your 'spray and pray' from a FW 190 than a Bf 109. Even when I am up close to the target I still get more done in a FW 190 - especially against those damn Sturmoviks! Now I know why they called them 'Flying Concrete' http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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Rebel_Yell_21
06-10-2004, 10:13 AM
Keep in mind with the 109F2, the nose cannon isn't a 30mm, or even a 20mm, but rather the MG-151 15mm, which definitely packs less punch.

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DeBaer.534
06-10-2004, 01:48 PM
GazzaMataz:
they also called the Bf109 a florett and the Fw190 a sabre, for the reason you found out.

The Mk108 is indeed still too weak. In reality it was mostly only one hit needed to down a single-engined plane, and 3-5 for a bomber.
for a bomber its ok in il2, but fighters are way to strong. i had a P51 surviving 4 Mk108 hits right in the fuselage, no lethal damage!

compared to the Spitfire/Hurricane Hizpano cannons this is very weak.

[This message was edited by DeBaer.534 on Thu June 10 2004 at 01:59 PM.]

GazzaMataz
06-11-2004, 06:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Keep in mind with the 109F2, the nose cannon isn't a 30mm, or even a 20mm, but rather the MG-151 15mm, which definitely packs less punch.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Tell me about it! I am so gladd to get onto the Bf109G variant.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The Mk108 is indeed still too weak. In reality it was mostly only one hit needed to down a single-engined plane, and 3-5 for a bomber.
for a bomber its ok in il2, but fighters are way to strong. i had a P51 surviving 4 Mk108 hits right in the fuselage, no lethal damage!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sounds like I should now be thinking about migrating over to FB/AEP - I might actually get some kills http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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jensenpark
06-11-2004, 07:39 AM
I will preface this by stating I am by no means even halfway decent in gunnery but I find I am now have difficulty hitting with the 108 (and I close to within 200m before firing).
And I am finding a good clean hit or two with it still won't bring down a Spit or 51.

Maybe it is just me (okay probably), but this seems to have happened since the patch. Used to be one hit, one kill...now right up someone's 6 (and I mean close) I'm blowing most of my 108 to get 'em smoking.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
06-11-2004, 08:13 AM
I'm not too concerned about the lack of "one shot = one kill" with the mk 108's. I know that if I connect on a sngle seat prop fighter with it, they're almost unable of maneuvering well enough to remain a threat. If I can separate them from the melee and have gotten a mk 108 strike, then I'll either let them limp back home no longer a threat or I'll climb away and set up for the killing blow.



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NorrisMcWhirter
06-11-2004, 08:15 AM
Hi,

I've not noticed a difference between the FW190 and BF109 Mk108s but the 108 is definately better than in non-patched AEP.

Also, my hit rate went down with AEP and I'm not sure whether there is some "optical" difference with the sights; it certainly seems that I have to aim somewhere slightly different than before in order to hit something.

You're right, though, in that it *may* still take 2-3 108 hits to down a P51 but I find that 1 is usually enough to disable it from causing me any more trouble. Arguably, 1 hit should cut it in half but I'm happy enough with it now when I think about the joke LW pea shooters in pre v2.01 AEP.

Cheers,
Norris

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Manos1
06-11-2004, 08:22 AM
MK108 rulez!

Test firing of one MK108 grenade (on the ground)

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http://www.astc.de/temp/MK108againstSpitfire.bmp

[This message was edited by Manos1 on Fri June 11 2004 at 07:31 AM.]

Urokai
06-11-2004, 08:34 AM
Quote:
"You're right, though, in that it *may* still take 2-3 108 hits to down a P51 but I find that 1 is usually enough to disable it from causing me any more trouble. Arguably, 1 hit should cut it in half but I'm happy enough with it now when I think about the joke LW pea shooters in pre v2.01 AEP."

one shot sould cut a p-51 in half! i think your forgetting that the mk108 is "only" a 30mm
cannon and if you dont hit any gurters the shell will just pass through the plane.

DeBaer.534
06-11-2004, 08:50 AM
and you seem to forget that the mk108 shoots high explosive Minengeschosse. they dont pass through the plane, they explode easily on impact and cause a lot of damage.

NorrisMcWhirter
06-11-2004, 08:52 AM
Hi,

"one shot sould cut a p-51 in half! i think your forgetting that the mk108 is "only" a 30mm
cannon and if you dont hit any gurters the shell will just pass through the plane."

And I thought the Japanese planes were the only ones made of 'paper' http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You're right, though, if it doesn't hit anything vital, it shouldn't cause any damage. However, as it now takes less hits to down a P51 than before, does that mean that the internal vanes are now closer together than before ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,
Norris

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Urokai
06-11-2004, 09:01 AM
Quote:
"and you seem to forget that the mk108 shoots high explosive Minengeschosse. they dont pass through the plane, they explode easily on impact and cause a lot of damage."
yes but the shell still isnt bigger than your thumb and little thinger combined

NorrisMcWhirter
06-11-2004, 09:07 AM
Hi,

Just look at the picture of the Spitfire above -when one hits, it causes a lot of damage.

Clearly, it's hard to see how many
passed 'through' it before it nearly blew the tail off but hey.

Cheers,
Norris

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DeBaer.534
06-11-2004, 09:18 AM
the bullet itself about 21 cm long and has a diameter of 3 cm.
now thats a thumb...
the projectile weights 330g ... i remember hearing that 1g tnt blows a pig paw apart. now what will 280g do...?

Yum_Yum
06-11-2004, 10:02 AM
Thank for the feedback!
I don't mean to start a debate on the strength or weakness of the Mk 108 cannon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

I only wished to highlight that I think the nose mounted MK 108 in a mesersmitt 109 or 110 are more accurate than the wing mounted version ?.
when firing the cannons in the wings it appears to shake greatly, with the nose mounted version the shake is little or none http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Yes Norris, I too think the lead time for shots also increased with the patch for the Mk 108's.

So...is nose mounted more accurate than wing mounted ..I think so ?

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DeBaer.534
06-11-2004, 10:14 AM
yes,due to less vibrations and the missing convergence handicap.
but with the wingmounted you have a spray and pray bonus http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif