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IHI.OuTcAsT
04-08-2004, 11:42 AM
OK, I can accept that because of the fuel left in the plane when it crashes to ground it "may" take fire. If not the fuel, maybe the ammunition (gunpowder) may be responsible for the fire that appears always when a plane crashes hard to the ground.

My question is why does it always happens? I think it is pretty rare for it to happen in real life. After all I tried empting all fuel and ammunition of a plane and then crashing it to ground. Still fire and explosion. From where does this fire comes from?

If you throw at the ground from great altitdude and any reasonable speed a garpage of irons they are never going to catch fire. However in IL2 everything in crash catches fire. I think this is VERY unrealistic and OLEG should change the way the planes explode, except in the cases that the container is almost full (of fuel). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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IHI.OuTcAsT
04-08-2004, 11:42 AM
OK, I can accept that because of the fuel left in the plane when it crashes to ground it "may" take fire. If not the fuel, maybe the ammunition (gunpowder) may be responsible for the fire that appears always when a plane crashes hard to the ground.

My question is why does it always happens? I think it is pretty rare for it to happen in real life. After all I tried empting all fuel and ammunition of a plane and then crashing it to ground. Still fire and explosion. From where does this fire comes from?

If you throw at the ground from great altitdude and any reasonable speed a garpage of irons they are never going to catch fire. However in IL2 everything in crash catches fire. I think this is VERY unrealistic and OLEG should change the way the planes explode, except in the cases that the container is almost full (of fuel). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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IV|JG51Flatspin
04-08-2004, 11:59 AM
Fire is more likely to start the less fuel you have in the tank - more oxygen.

The fire and smoke plumes are necessary as beacons to help you get back to the point of battle. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Itto_Okami
04-08-2004, 12:01 PM
well... even when you have just crashed with a dead engine because no fuel, sometimes you have explosion, smoke and fire... a bit odd, isn't it?

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Itto

PBNA-GoldnEagle
04-08-2004, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Elite_Flatspin:
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The fire and smoke plumes are necessary as beacons to help you get back to the point of battle. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Tailspin2
04-08-2004, 12:20 PM
Just think Hollywood. It's not cool if it does explode when it crashes. It's want people want (or expect?) to see, real or not.

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Chuck_Older
04-08-2004, 12:28 PM
I think that instituting a system in a sim like FB, in which the amount, duration, intensity, and probabilty of occurance for fire, smoke, and explosion, is an incredibly unwise expenditure of time effort and money.


Why can't you just accept that this is a sim, and not an attempt at true virtual reality? How come the ground crew doesn't need to crank up my Bf-109's engine? Why does it start with the push of a button? How come I don't have to check mag drop, or go through a pre-flight checklist? Why don't I have to submit a claim for kills? How come my carburetor never freezes up? How come my oxygen regulator never has a problem? Why doesn't my pilot need to use the relief tube? It goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on...

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Breeze147
04-08-2004, 12:50 PM
You just gave me an excellent idea for an add-on: a relief tube! No more wasting time hitting pause and going to the bathroom. Do it right there at your desk! Like the 2 guys in the Guiness commercial say: BRILLIANT!!

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Weather_Man
04-08-2004, 12:52 PM
I've hit the ground plenty of times without exploding. Mostly depends on speed and angle of impact, but you can definately break apart without flames.

Yellonet
04-08-2004, 01:01 PM
I think it's good that a crash were the plane is smashed to pieces results in an explosion. Why? Because the fuel in the tanks will be spread out and become mixed with air, and the heat that the energy of the impact creates is more than enough to ignite the fuel. If the planes tanks were completely or almost empty there would be a big explosion risk even when belly-landing.


- Yellonet

GAU-8
04-08-2004, 01:05 PM
you can crash an not explode. last night i did my longest tumble ever.. was tumbling all over the place breaking off all sorts of bits along the way... then slid/rolled, for about another 20 seconds...never exploded. even after running away, but a small fire was smouldering.

Yellonet
04-08-2004, 01:12 PM
I think he knows that you can crash without exploding.. I believe he is talking about a hard diving-straight-into-the-ground crash. Such a crash will inevitably result in an explosion.

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In-game that is.


- Yellonet

porcupine1
04-08-2004, 01:18 PM
it used to bother be until i saw some gun camera films showing the firey flash during crashes!
BOOM!

Teufel_Eldritch
04-08-2004, 02:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
How come the ground crew doesn't need to crank up my Bf-109's engine? Why does it start with the push of a button? How come I don't have to check mag drop, or go through a pre-flight checklist? Why don't I have to submit a claim for kills? How come my carburetor never freezes up? How come my oxygen regulator never has a problem? Why doesn't my pilot need to use the relief tube? It goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on...
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That would be AWESOME! I would like to see that added to the "Full Real" options. Oh well...just a dream...just a dream. Never gonna happen. =(

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IHI.OuTcAsT
04-08-2004, 03:13 PM
Yes this is what I mean Yellonet. Hard Crashes that the plane always explodes. I am not speaking about slow approach to ground that just takes some parts off.

I would be cool from oleg to make planes not start fire on explode if the Fuel (and ammo) are almost empty though. Just this instant explosion seems very stupid to me. And the fire always stayin there for forever after the crash. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Chuck_Older, IL2 is an aircraft realistic simulation, not crew simulation. If you want crew/people simulation play "The Sims".

Chuck_Older
04-08-2004, 03:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IHI.OuTcAsT:


Chuck_Older, IL2 is an aircraft realistic simulation, not crew simulation. If you want crew/people simulation play "The Sims".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Brilliant reply http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif If you didn't want other people's opinions, why did you even bring it up?

Should my reply to you have been, "If you want to play a fire/explosion simulation, go play "The Sims:Firefighter expansion pack?" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Why even bother to make that comment to me? Obviously you didn't understand very much of what I posted. But that is OK, because it doesn't bother me if you think differently than I do.

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horseback
04-08-2004, 05:42 PM
Having seen a disturbing number (now that I think about it) of RL aircraft crashes, I think I can say that the vast majority of them, including the smaller combustion engined types, created an impressive fireball, and lacking that, a humungous dust cloud.

Think: great speed + lots more fuel than you can put in your SUV + hot engine + sudden collision with ground = big, honkin' fireball nine out of ten times. Besides, it looks rrrreeeaaallllly kewl.

cheers

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IHI.OuTcAsT
04-08-2004, 11:09 PM
Chuck_Older sorry if I sounded aggressive http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif wasn't meant to (somewhat bad english?). I just though that your examples very just too much http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Sorry again.

DuxCorvan
04-09-2004, 04:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Breeze147:
You just gave me an excellent idea for an add-on: a relief tube! No more wasting time hitting pause and going to the bathroom. Do it right there at your desk!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Emmm, Breeze, I hope you're not my upper flat neighbour... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

As for the explosions, why do US cars always explode after an accident? I've seen it in every movie. It seems pretty dangerous to mix nitroglycerine with fuel, why do they do so in the USA? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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SeaFireLIV
04-09-2004, 04:23 AM
It`s posts like this that convince me that some people look around at all the whines then think, "Hmmm.. what can I whine about that no-one else has whined about yet? Oh yea! Explosions of crashing aircraft. That`ll work! I`ll be famous and make my name, blah! blah!"

I mean there is no problem there!

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Vortex_uk
04-09-2004, 04:59 AM
You also got all the eletrical cables aswell,and some bullets might still be stuck with gunpowder in your plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
and its impossible to belly land with the 262,and soon as you touch the ground...BOOM! is this realistic or Oleg's version?

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Slammin_
04-09-2004, 06:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
It`s posts like this that convince me that some people look around at all the whines then think, "Hmmm.. what can I whine about that no-one else has whined about yet? Oh yea! Explosions of crashing aircraft. That`ll work! I`ll be famous and make my name, blah! blah!"

I mean there is no problem there!

SeaFireLIV...

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Good eye!

pinche_bolillo
04-09-2004, 06:31 AM
because fire is kool! havent you ever watched bevis and buthead?

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