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GazzaMataz
04-14-2004, 02:19 AM
I have been playing the Ill-2 original Russian campaign and although I was quite happy with the LaGG 1941 (I know it lags behind because of a fault wih the program, I read this at Mudmovers)now I have been put on a MiG-3 I might as well stay on the runway and just turn around.

IT'S SO SLOW!!! Any hope of keeping up is useless - even with the AutoPilot. When you do catch up all the action is nearly over, I was finally on the tail of a Dornier at full speed and it was just gently fading in the distance with no chance of catching it then another MiG from way behind me just flew past me and caught up and wiped it out with rockets and MG fire...

How am I supposed to enjoy this... there is no WEP on the MiG-3 or am I doing something seriously wrong?

It's driving me nuts!!! Any MiG-3 experts out there care to help?

Tickety boo...
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GazzaMataz
04-14-2004, 02:19 AM
I have been playing the Ill-2 original Russian campaign and although I was quite happy with the LaGG 1941 (I know it lags behind because of a fault wih the program, I read this at Mudmovers)now I have been put on a MiG-3 I might as well stay on the runway and just turn around.

IT'S SO SLOW!!! Any hope of keeping up is useless - even with the AutoPilot. When you do catch up all the action is nearly over, I was finally on the tail of a Dornier at full speed and it was just gently fading in the distance with no chance of catching it then another MiG from way behind me just flew past me and caught up and wiped it out with rockets and MG fire...

How am I supposed to enjoy this... there is no WEP on the MiG-3 or am I doing something seriously wrong?

It's driving me nuts!!! Any MiG-3 experts out there care to help?

Tickety boo...
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Slush69
04-14-2004, 02:37 AM
Whaddya mean? The MiG-3 is faster than the LaGG-3. Remember it's a high altitude fighter. So climb and continue climbing until you engage the enemy.

The biggest disadvantage is the MiG-3's vulnerability. It'll catch fire if an enemy pilot even looks at it.

cheers/slush

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04-14-2004, 02:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GazzaMataz:
I was finally on the tail of a Dornier<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Slush69
04-14-2004, 02:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cosmokart:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GazzaMataz:
I was finally on the tail of a Dornier<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, that one made me wonder too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cheers/slush

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GazzaMataz
04-14-2004, 03:02 AM
Then it must be the game cos I am following the leader and we are only at 2000m - is that high enough? Remember this is the campaign NOT Multiplayer so ther is no point in me going to 6000m cos I wont see bugger all there... it will all be going on 4000m below me!

Perhaps if I climbed up 500m higher than everyone else that might help... (then I'll get that damn chatter about 'Where the hell are you? Stay on leader's course'.

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ELEM
04-14-2004, 03:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GazzaMataz:

I was finally on the tail of a Dornier at full speed... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must be flying a different sim. No Dorniers in Il-2/FB.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

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Slush69
04-14-2004, 03:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GazzaMataz:

Perhaps if I climbed up 500m higher than everyone else that might help... (then I'll get that damn chatter about 'Where the hell are you? Stay on leader's course'.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ignore your flight leader. He doesn't know diddly-squat. Climb HIGH and BnZ the Axis planes. That's the best way to fight in the MiG-3.

cheers/slush

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GazzaMataz
04-14-2004, 03:27 AM
Why Huh? The mission was to intercept Dornier bombers flying over Russisn positions and shoot them down with MGs and Rockets... Oh hang on a minute it might have been JU-88's or Heinkiels... or anything with two engines and a swastika on it... :)

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LEXX_Luthor
04-14-2004, 04:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>no point in me going to 6000m cos I wont see bugger all there... it will all be going on 4000m below me!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>spend *alot* of time here ---&gt; http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/ModelArticles/Massimo/mig3.html

LOL homework

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SUPERAEREO
04-14-2004, 04:14 AM
Well, it surely wasn't a Dornier.

The Mig-3 was the fastest Russian fighter in 1941, it's very vulnerable to enemy fire and not very well armed, but it's FAST.

Are you sure you didn't forget gear/flaps down or something? It happens, you know?

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LEXX_Luthor
04-14-2004, 04:22 AM
Fastest at high altitude (above ~5km). Not so faster down low. Most all Easter Front combat was low, about 2km, and MiG not made for that. Real pilots were as Sad and Depress about this as Gazza, one thing FB can simulate with historical exactness is pilot frustration and Whining. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Itto_Okami
04-14-2004, 04:31 AM
[QUOTE]spend *alot* of time here ---&gt; http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/ModelArticles/Massimo/mig3.html

LOL homework[QUOTE]

S! LEXX

nice site... thanks for the link

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GazzaMataz
04-14-2004, 04:45 AM
[QUOTE]Real pilots were as Sad and Depress about this as Gazza, one thing FB can simulate with historical exactness is pilot frustration and Whining. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gifQUOTE]

LOL. Well there you go - I am not the only one! Guess I should spend a little time with the MiG-3 in the Quick Mission builder shooting down imaginary Dorniers. You never know I might actually hit one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SUPERAEREO
04-14-2004, 05:08 AM
The Mig-3 in FB is only about 10Kph slower than the LaGG series 4 under 3000 metres and constantly faster at altitude, AFAIK.

It might be that it was different in IL-2 and that I don't remember it...

But constant practice, as yo said, is the key.

Happy hunting!

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Dmitri9mm
04-14-2004, 05:49 AM
When the first Migs vere produced in 1940 it was the fastest operational fighter in the world! I have never had trouble catching bombers or fighters from before 1943 in it.
If you are not careful though, you might bleed off your speed very fast when in a dogfight so stick to BnZ tactics and go as high as you can, the plane is a good climber too.
All in all: The MIG has a number of vices which must be taken into account to fly it good, but lack of speed is not one of them.

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04-14-2004, 02:07 PM
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horseback
04-14-2004, 07:50 PM
I think I remember the mission from my own Il-2 Sturmovik days (I assume that you're playing that or have copied the campaign into your FB Campaigns folder). It's a night intercept of He-111s, if I'm not mistaken, altho there are two or three later MiG-3 missions that call for bomber intercepts.

Have you:

A) installed all the patches for the game you're playing? Each (Sturmovik and FB) has a number of patches downloadable from the Main page, and each has a noticeable effect on the planes' Flight Models. The later the patch in the original, the greater the divergence in your plane's capabilities from the requirements of the mission (designed for the 1.0 version). The AI planes and your Autopilot will compensate for this, but if you're piloting, you'll never be able to catch up, or once you do, be able to keep your E up to competitive levels with the AI.

B) raised flaps and gear, and trimmed your plane for its best speed? The MiG can be made a lot faster with the correct amount of rudder and elevator trim. Radiator open settings can slow you down a bit too, but as I recall, the 'Sturmovik' version of the MiG was very prone to overheat.

C) Ignored your wingmen's climb angle, and gotten your airspeed over 300 kph, and then climbed at that speed or higher?

D) If you are playing the original campaign on FB, are you manipulating your supercharger, prop pitch, and mixture to the best effect?

If you have tried everything else, you can always go into the Full mission Builder and edit the missions so that the timing allows your flight to get to the combat area at a more leasurely pace. You will have to also adjust the bombers' starting waypoint time accordingly, or you'll miss them altogether.

Of course, the mission sort of looses its spontaneity that way, since you'll know when and where you come into contact with the enemy.

cheers

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SeaFireLIV
04-14-2004, 07:58 PM
GazzaMataz is obviously doing something incredibly wrong. You guys are doing well to try and help, but Gazza`s not helping by his lack of information. Explain yourself, gazza, what are you doing? Do you pull up your gears? Are your flaps still out? I`m betting it`s something simple like this.

And you are not fighting dorniers, possibly a FW.189 A2 which looks similar from a side profile.

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Mitlov47
04-14-2004, 11:31 PM
I've played through the original IL-2 campaign in both IL-2 and after importing it to FB, so I've seen both game engine's take on it. I've played all the MiG-3 missions using both engines.

I never had the problem you describe. The MiG-3 is fast, even with rockets or gunpods adding drag.

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GazzaMataz
04-15-2004, 10:56 AM
OK chaps just to make it all a little clearer as SeaFireLIV suggested.

1. First and foremost NO! I do not have my flaps OR undercarriage lowered - I aint that daft.
2. This is the first mission in the Russian campaign from the original Il-2 Sturmovik that you get to fly the Mig-3 and it's an evening affair.
3. Yes, I got it wrong they are not Dorniers they are either He-IIIs or Ju-88s - does it matter anyway - they are the ones I have to shoot down...
4. Horseback hit it on the nose with this one! (point A). I am using the 1.2ov version of Il-2 and from what I have read you can never catch up with the AIs even if you put it in Autopilot.
5. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Ignored your wingmen's climb angle, and gotten your airspeed over 300 kph, and then climbed at that speed or higher?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Not sure what you mean by this, you mean fly level till you get to over 300 kph and then climb?
6. I am gonna fly the next mission tonight so I report back tommorrow to tell if any of your tips help - maybe I'll bag a He-III or a Bf-109.

Thanks all!

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Heavy_Weather
04-15-2004, 11:38 AM
i believe the last patch for the original IL-2 cleared that up. make sure you have all the patches installed for that particular game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Jetbuff
04-15-2004, 12:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GazzaMataz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Ignored your wingmen's climb angle, and gotten your airspeed over 300 kph, and then climbed at that speed or higher?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Not sure what you mean by this, you mean fly level till you get to over 300 kph and then climb?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, don't try to match the AI's sharp climb angles, instead arc them, both in the vertical and the horizontal. You can almost ALWAYS catch up to them if you keep them high in your windshield. (lower AoA -&gt; better climb/speed)

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mortoma
04-15-2004, 02:13 PM
Sounds like you are mostly having trouble keeping up with the AI planes. In which case you're trying too hard to climb up to their altitude. Keep your nose down and climb, but at a faster speed. You are probably puling back too hard on the stick in an effort to get up to their altitude as they climb and losing too much speed as a result. But you must remember they took off before you so they will always be a little higher until they level off. But you can stay close if you climb at about
280Kph in the Mig. Adjust your trim to stay at
that speed and you'll be in a shallow climb and
be able to catch up with them shortly after they level off. I do it all the time. I can send you a track to show you how it's done. I happen to have a campaign going in the 1940 Mig-3 right now. But then again, I have a campaigns going in about 30 other planes too!!!

mortoma
04-15-2004, 02:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heavy_Weather:
i believe the last patch for the original IL-2 cleared that up. make sure you have all the patches installed for that particular game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He's right, if you have the last version (1.2) of the original game, you'll be ok if you follow my advice and all the other advice in here.

GazzaMataz
04-16-2004, 02:14 AM
Well thanks chaps. I flew the next two missions last night and discovered a bug - oh what joy! In the first mission I was supposed to fly and intercept He-111s but on take off I went a little wonky and because it was cloudy I completely lost my two buddies but followed the path on me own. Eventually I found them after they had engaged and destroyed the enemy. So it was then just a flight home, in which I managed to keep up and land.

The second was where this bug started. I ahd to escort aload of those little biplanes with rockets. This time I kept low and built me speed up them managed to join them and engage. But that turned out to be highly annoying!!! I noticed that when I looked at me map the waypoint kept twitching and jumping about. Then when we engaged the enemy my cockpit view kept flicking down to my lower left-hand side. I had to keep pushing the '5' key on me keypad every few seconds. So as you can imagine I coulnt focus on anything and therefore on managed a few hits. It continued to do this twitching on the way back to base then I found that if I evoked the map it stopped doing it. So I had to land with the right-hand side of me screen obscured. I hope it doesn't do this in the next round, I also don't think it's worth reporting to the programmers since they have finished with developing the original game.

Is it easy to port these campaigns into FB? Or should I just ditch the original and switch to FB?

Thanks anyway guys, and I do have all the latest updates for it installed (1.2ov).

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Capt.LoneRanger
04-16-2004, 02:31 AM
Sounds like a mouse-problem?


Mig3 is a nice a/c - I especially like the Mig3U - wish MiG would build sports-cars =)

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GazzaMataz
04-16-2004, 03:46 AM
Capt.LoneRanger - thanks for that I shall invetigate.

Actually I did notice that my next mission is on a Mig-3U so I am looking forward to that. I will succeed in this plane even if it means getting shot down...

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Gershy
04-16-2004, 06:05 AM
Get your speed up first. before you climb. that means get your speed up to 300 or so and then start to climb and try to keep your speed up. This is one of the things in russian planes I noticed. In a 109 you can still speed up while climbing. In a red plane I'd try to get speed first. As someone said, try to keep the rest in the upper part of your forward view and you should do fine.

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KaiserB_uk
04-16-2004, 07:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GazzaMataz:
Then when we engaged the enemy my cockpit view kept flicking down to my lower left-hand side. I had to keep pushing the '5' key on me keypad every few seconds. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds to me like a twitchy hat switch on your joystick (assuming you have one)...

Maybe recalibrate your joystick? Also look for a setting (in windows joystick properties) regarding polling, I had a similar problem with that once (long time ago though and on CFS).


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GazzaMataz
04-19-2004, 02:42 AM
No twitchy joystick for the next mission! Although I still had problems keeping up with the other Migs on the next mission I evetually found them (kept loosing them in the cloud) and was as happy as Larry when I watched a He-111 disitegrate in front of me having fired a salvo of rockets at it at close range http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh deep joy I love rockets! To top it off I made a successful landing and have taken on board all of your helpful tips - especially when it come to finding stall speed.

Thankyou!!

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Cajun76
04-19-2004, 07:10 AM
The "twitchy" waypiont for the biplanes is because they are moving, and your escorting. Your cruising speed is quite a bit higher than thiers, so if you don't weave and circle, you'll leave them far behind. This will happen when you escort bombers, too. I think I remember escorting a U-2VS, and that thing is slower than some tanks, I think. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif (I still want it flyable, though...) It took a lot of patience to hang around that slow, creeping flak magnet. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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horseback
04-19-2004, 08:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Is it easy to port these campaigns into FB? Or should I just ditch the original and switch to FB? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is easy to copy the static Il-2 campaigns to FB. They're completely compatible, in the FMB format, anyway. I went in via the 'My Computer" route. You know, Local Disk, Program Files, then Ubi Soft, then Il-2 Sturmovik, then Missions, then Campaigns. In the Ru campaigns, copy the LaGG-3 campaign(Ctl+C), then enter the FB folder, go to Missions/Campaigns and paste it (Ctl+V) into the opened Ru campaigns folder. Piece of cake.

The only probelem I had was with some missions identifying the I-153s as being part of the same unit as the player, which resulted in me ending up in a Chaika cockpit before I figured it out (this may have been the result of a bad copy transfer). I fixed it by changing the Chaika unit designation in FMB.

cheers

horseback

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