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Xnomad
05-08-2004, 02:01 PM
Hi, I don't know if this has been mentioned before however, I find that since AEP about 90% of the time I get killed it's because my Bf 109 elevator controls have been hit.

I was wondering if anybody else has been finding this too. I often get shot very little usually by a plane with wing guns (P-51, P-47 Spitfire etc.) that should have missed me but because of the spread one or two shots hit and usually in the elevator. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I understand that your elevator is likely to get hit first as it's right at the tip of your 6 but then shouldn't other planes suffer from this too? I've had nothing but control failures in the bf 109 recently I've even had elevator, rudder and ailerons all lost in one burst from a Hurricane he even killed my engine and injured me, he was lagging a lot but still the damage was incredible.

So am I really unlucky or have other people also found this to be the case?

EDIT: I would just like to add that after Crazy Ivan said the guns would be fixed I was happy as the MG 151/20 etc. where almost useless in certain scenarios. However, now I'm worried that the Bf 109's are going to be even easier to shoot down than they are now.

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Xnomad
05-08-2004, 02:01 PM
Hi, I don't know if this has been mentioned before however, I find that since AEP about 90% of the time I get killed it's because my Bf 109 elevator controls have been hit.

I was wondering if anybody else has been finding this too. I often get shot very little usually by a plane with wing guns (P-51, P-47 Spitfire etc.) that should have missed me but because of the spread one or two shots hit and usually in the elevator. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I understand that your elevator is likely to get hit first as it's right at the tip of your 6 but then shouldn't other planes suffer from this too? I've had nothing but control failures in the bf 109 recently I've even had elevator, rudder and ailerons all lost in one burst from a Hurricane he even killed my engine and injured me, he was lagging a lot but still the damage was incredible.

So am I really unlucky or have other people also found this to be the case?

EDIT: I would just like to add that after Crazy Ivan said the guns would be fixed I was happy as the MG 151/20 etc. where almost useless in certain scenarios. However, now I'm worried that the Bf 109's are going to be even easier to shoot down than they are now.

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Korolov
05-08-2004, 02:08 PM
Well... 109 was never really revered as being a tough plane, was it?

I get lots of elevator failures in the P-47 and P-38. It's about as bad and common as it is with the 109.

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Xnomad
05-08-2004, 02:22 PM
When you were flying these planes did you get hit with MK 108? I've never had critical control damage when flying the P-38 it's usually the engine that gets it or I blow up completely in a hail of MK 108.

I don't fly the P-47 but I do fly Spitfire, La 5, Yak 9, P-51, P-63, P-39, P-38 etc. and it could be that because I fly the Bf 109 the most that I only notice it with that plane but I honetsly can't remember having elevator control failure with those Allied planes maybe once or twice with a La 5. With the above planes I usually get engine damage and fuel/oil leaks.

I've never had the elevator go as frequently as with the bf 109 I'm serious almost everytime I get killed it's because the elevator went. Ping one shot hits me and I've lost control. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Sure the Bf 109 wasn't known for being tough infact Lipfert said a Russian farmer with a rifle could shoot one down. But always the elevator? It's the same with the Fw 190 and the ReVi, ping one shot and the gun sight is broken. It's defintley happening a lot more for me since AEP came out.

Korolov
05-08-2004, 03:58 PM
Usually when I get hit by a Mk108, it's game over. Either the plane explodes into tiny pieces, or its shot up to the point that I have to hit the silk or ditch. But most control failures seem to come from 13mm hits.

If you're loosing controls a lot to the heavy MG armanent of USAAF planes, my guess is that the sheer volume of fire is crossing through the cables and shearing them apart. Whereas cannon are a anti-structure weapon, MG seem to be a anti-internals weapon. I also notice (offline) that pounding a 109 at point blank in the tail with the P-38's armanent will take a while, but the wing roots are very weak. Then there are other times when a AI P-38 shoots a quick shot at a 109 and disables the elevator with a few hits.

IMO, its about right - remember when the ShKas would nail your entire tail controls all the time? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Now I can take ShKas in 109s and survive, but HMG is pushing my luck. Combined with the tightly packed fuselage of the 109, and batteries of 4+ .50 cal, you'd be lucky to survive at all.

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Tetrapack
05-08-2004, 04:22 PM
Then fly a Il-2 and notice that you lost the elevator and rudder controls in more than 50% of all missions.

p1ngu666
05-08-2004, 06:00 PM
be nice if u could still trim, often that was different wires

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LeadSpitter_
05-09-2004, 10:52 PM
it seems to happen to all aircraft very often, one hit to one side of your wing and you loose aileron control same with the rudder and elevators.

What I would like to see is if 1 control surface is shot off your aircraft you loose the control surfaces like clipping the cables.

alieron rudder or elevator, same thing with passing your dive speed you can loose one alieron one elevator and your rudder and have very similiar control to when they were on. It would be nice to see you loose the response from that. A wounded pilot seems to slow down controls more.

I noticed with the p38 you can shoot the elevator off the plane and it still has full elevator use. probally a bug thats been reported but who knows.

Once again what i wanted to see is when a control surface is shot off the aircraft that counts as snapping the wires. rather then light wing or tail hits that always seem to snap cables instantly

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