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TheGozr
02-26-2004, 10:57 AM
Now that the Ace pack is around the corner.
Are the pilots will fly the new noob planes like so many says
The ta-152 and Spits.?
Is the la7 and what ever planes will become no so noob?

is the plane chasing you and down you will be a nood plane.. ? Or maybe because you are a NOOB?

I need answer i'm a NOOB.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Punks!

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TheGozr
02-26-2004, 10:57 AM
Now that the Ace pack is around the corner.
Are the pilots will fly the new noob planes like so many says
The ta-152 and Spits.?
Is the la7 and what ever planes will become no so noob?

is the plane chasing you and down you will be a nood plane.. ? Or maybe because you are a NOOB?

I need answer i'm a NOOB.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Punks!

-GOZR
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diomedes33
02-26-2004, 11:37 AM
I'm a veteren noob i guess. When I'm on I'm untouchable when I'm off I'm a target drone. Problem is I switch from one to another randomly. Not sure which state I'm in when I enter a fight.

IMHO, I think the ta152 will be a noob plane at first, but when people figure out how to beat it. It will slowly loose its apeal. According to respectable people on this forum, it will be able to turn with a la7 and climb like a banshee.

However something still bothers me. A plane optimized for high-alt should not be able to contend with a plane optimized for low alt.

I know I'll give it a fair shake. If it doesn't suit me I'll fly it when I feel up to a challenge.

On the other hand, it could be modeled without an engine and Zen would still be flying it. Sitting on the runway making engine sounds like a little kid. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Zen--
02-26-2004, 12:00 PM
vrrrrooooom! vrrrrrooooooooooooooooooooooom!

(how come I'm not moving?)

vrooooooooooooooooom!

-Zen-
Formerly TX-Zen

JG7_Rall
02-26-2004, 12:03 PM
When Zen gets his hand on the Ta 152, say goodbye to ANYTHING you can throw at him. You will be done. Gather up your whole clan and get them in La's, Yak's, Spits, whatever, and he will defeat you single handedly...well maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration, but he comes quite close to doing that now in his Dora. Better yet, he's a very humble guy and doesn't brag ever when he's busting your a$$, unlike some people around here coughslickstickcough.

A big S! to Zen

Regards,

Hutch

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carguy_
02-26-2004, 12:13 PM
Ta-152 is not going to be a n00b plane.It totally sucks at low alt and starts to be good at around 6000m.

Spits will be very n00bish but I guess that is inevitable.They`re superb aircraft.

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Gibbage1
02-26-2004, 12:24 PM
Well from someone who has played all the AC in the pack, I will say that there will be two disctinct "noob" AC. #1 is the Spit. Thats for sure. No combat flaps, but it dont need it. Just dont get into a slow and low turn fight with something that does have combat flaps or slats http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

#2 will be the P-51 D-20 with the K-14 gunsight. The AceMaker WILL earn its name in IL2. Once you spend the 1 minute to learn how to use it, you will be plucking engines and pilots from 300M away.

The TA-152 wont be the wonder-weapon the Luftwhiners hoped it would be unless your at 30-40,000 feet. Those wings were HUGE and it was made for high altitude. Not low level dogfights. I dont care it there is a story of it out-running two P-51's. It does not mean it can turn fight or speed away from everything at every altitude. People who fight it down low will learn this fast, and I guarantee you it will be new Luftwhiner bait.

Gib

tttiger
02-26-2004, 12:28 PM
Ya hafta wonder what kind of inferiority complex these people have that constantly use the word "noob."

Must be sorta like popping Viagra for them. Only way they can get it up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's a rude term to newcomers. We should be welcoming them.

ttt

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F19_Ob
02-26-2004, 12:29 PM
well as most of U know, all the planes in aces expansion are Noobplanes.............ooohhh my first trolling........having little or nothing to do is a very good platform for trolling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

diomedes33
02-26-2004, 12:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
When Zen gets his hand on the Ta 152, say goodbye to ANYTHING you can throw at him. You will be done. Gather up your whole clan and get them in La's, Yak's, Spits, whatever, and he will defeat you single handedly...well maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration, but he comes quite close to doing that now in his Dora. Better yet, he's a very humble guy and doesn't brag ever when he's busting your a$$, unlike some people around here coughslickstickcough.

A big S! to Zen

Regards,

Hutch

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have nothing but respect for Zen. Most of the time I see him online, I'm luckily flying on his side. I try to pick up some good traits in the dora. S! Zen

After looking over the 28+1 list I think a noob plane will be the gladiator and fiat cr.42 . Two bi-planes that can turn on a dime. I've noticed that a lot of servers have banned the I-153 because of this.

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SlickStick
02-26-2004, 12:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Well from someone who has played all the AC in the pack, I will say that there will be two disctinct "noob" AC. #1 is the Spit. Thats for sure. No combat flaps, but it dont need it. Just dont get into a slow and low turn fight with something that does have combat flaps or slats http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

#2 will be the P-51 D-20 with the K-14 gunsight. The AceMaker WILL earn its name in IL2. Once you spend the 1 minute to learn how to use it, you will be plucking engines and pilots from 300M away.

The TA-152 wont be the wonder-weapon the Luftwhiners hoped it would be unless your at 30-40,000 feet. Those wings were HUGE and it was made for high altitude. Not low level dogfights. I dont care it there is a story of it out-running two P-51's. It does not mean it can turn fight or speed away from everything at every altitude. People who fight it down low will learn this fast, and I guarantee you it will be new Luftwhiner bait.

Gib<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good post, Gib. Also, the Ta-152 won't be owning any LA7's, but in the vertical for the ever-so patient LW flyer.

I'm not gonna worry about Spits until the Mk IXs and MkXIVs show up later. Mk V too slow to hang with LA7, but then again it wasn't in action at the same time as the LA7 either. Not that it would matter, I'll always fly LA7 as number one, even if it gets neutered a bit in E retention in an upcoming patch.

BTW, is there any flight model or damage model changes coming that you know, Gib?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SlickStick
02-26-2004, 12:46 PM
Um, it was still in action, just not up to 1944 standards.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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S77th-brooks
02-26-2004, 01:05 PM
the TA152 is great down low too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif read this about tempest V ta 152, it give the LA7 a fun time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif http://world.std.com/~Ted7/sTa152H.htm

faustnik
02-26-2004, 01:08 PM
So Gib,

How's the P-38? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Cardinal25
02-26-2004, 01:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
Ya hafta wonder what kind of inferiority complex these people have that constantly use the word "noob."

Must be sorta like popping Viagra for them. Only way they can get it up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's a rude term to newcomers. We should be welcoming them.

ttt

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-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right, n00b.

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RocknRoll
02-26-2004, 01:26 PM
There is no noob planes , only little kids who name some planes noob planes .

flyingskid2
02-26-2004, 01:27 PM
Hey how about a Zen vs SlickStick. Dora vs LA7. How about it guys. I'd be willing to pay for a track of that fight if those guys are as good as they are supposed to be.

Gwalker70
02-26-2004, 01:31 PM
one thing that bothers me about this game is that there are bugs that are fact and known but for some reason has not been fixed I.E the famous one round in the wing FW bug. also the fact that a handful of planes have factual known FM problems. AKA LA7 ect. so to say what plane is going to be n00b is like playing the lottery. We will not know what oleg's version of history is going to be with this add on pack. I suspect allied bias though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

flyingskid2
02-26-2004, 01:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diomedes33:
I've noticed that a lot of servers have banned the I-153 because of this.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What? ban the I-153? It's a too slow plane you can avoid it all day if you're afraid of engaging it. I can understand banning Me-262 uber boom&zoomer, but the I-153?

diomedes33
02-26-2004, 01:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diomedes33:
I've noticed that a lot of servers have banned the I-153 because of this.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What? ban the I-153? It's a too slow plane you can avoid it all day if you're afraid of engaging it. I can understand banning Me-262 uber boom&zoomer, but the I-153?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I personally don't have a problem with it, I can't shoot it, but it can't shoot me so we're both frustrated. I've just noticed that a lot of servers don't have the I-153. This was the best reason my feeble mind could come up with.

I once saw a I-153 take down a 109G-10 (I wasn't flying either) G-10 was climbing away little slow probably 500 kph. nice shot by the I-153.

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Zen--
02-26-2004, 01:49 PM
It is possible for a plane optimized for high altitude fighting be able to outturn a plane optimized for low altitude fighting, even at low altitude. It's not likely, but it is entirely possible.

Planes are engineering compromizes and on occasion, a solution that works in one regime (high alt) will also do a good job in another (low alt). There are numerous examples of planes that fit this situation very well ...and probably 10 times as many that don't. I'm not saying the TA152 is that plane, but it didn't SEEM to suffer at low altitude any more than any other high altitude design did...and there is evidence that it was actually quite good down low. Thats all I'm saying, a few examples of supporting information exist that says it was good and only conjecture to say it wasn't...nothing concrete other than it was a high altitude plane so it shouldn't do well down low.

Reasonable assumption absolutely and I routinely make the same assumptions...but it is not always the case and the TA152 seems to be one of those exceptions.


As for it being a n00b plane, I doubt it really. None of the FW's can be considered n00bish and thats what the TA152 is...the last in the 190 series. I think it will take careful flying to get the most out of it but will probably be better at low altitude than the Dora because of better power, bigger guns and the likelyhood of the gunsight being easier to see out of.

Hutch and Diomedes, thanks for the kind words. I don't know if I'm all that but thanks for the comments.

&lt;S!&gt;

-Zen-
Formerly TX-Zen

IV_JG51_Prien
02-26-2004, 01:50 PM
Threads of this nature belong on a FPS discussion board.

A "noob" plane is whatever plane a guy gets into the first time he runs the sim.....

02-26-2004, 02:12 PM
I'm not sure what new planes might become branded "noob" favorites.

However, if the GROUND HANDLING and LOW SPEED FM is corrected, a whole bunch of people are going to feel like n00bs all over again until they relearn how to taxi, takeoff and land.

02-26-2004, 02:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diomedes33:
I've noticed that a lot of servers have banned the I-153 because of this.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What? ban the I-153? It's a too slow plane you can avoid it all day if you're afraid of engaging it. I can understand banning Me-262 uber boom&zoomer, but the I-153?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The I-153 can be an uber boom&zoomer too. Set up a scenario with only P.11c and I-153.

TheGozr
02-26-2004, 04:25 PM
diomedes33 I'm abit a reverse of you, when i see Zen i place my self in the opposite team... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif( Devil )
LOL..

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diomedes33
02-26-2004, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
diomedes33 I'm abit a reverse of you, when i see Zen i place my self in the opposite team... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif( Devil )
LOL..
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Gibbage1
02-26-2004, 04:51 PM
The P-38 will be good, but about as far from "noob" as possible. It will be like the P-39 in some aspects. At first, a underdog. But if you stick with her and learn her tricks, it will be VERY respectable.

My definition of a noob aircraft is an AC you can just hop in, and score easy kills. Yak's and LA's come to mind first in this. P.11c or I-153 is not on my list because they depend on people to be just as stupid as they are, and turn. If im in my P-39, I dont evem mess with them. I will throw a few 37MM's in there general direction, but I wont tangle if they are pointing at me. In a 1944-45 server, you NEVER see anyone say "Wow, that I-153 pilot is good!".

But back to the Ta-152. Big wings dont mean a damn thing down low. Its design. And the the Ta-152 is a 190 with big wings. It has many of the same traits of a D9, but it can go higher. The roll is lower because now your pushing a LOT more air out of the way. I also would not make any sweeping statements based of a FEW RARE encounters with a aircraft. You dont know the situation at all. Just because a Ta-152 shot down a La-7 does NOT mean that it can turn fight it. P-38's shot down a LOT of Zero's.

LuftLuver
02-26-2004, 05:14 PM
"Just because a Ta-152 shot down a La-7 does NOT mean that it can turn fight it. P-38's shot down a LOT of Zero's."

Bingo! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I plan on flying the Tank-52 anyway, will be a riot.

Gibbage1
02-26-2004, 05:21 PM
Im sure the Ta-152 will be a good aircraft! Im just saying people are ASSUMING A LOT from such limited data and referances. I think its all wishfull thanking. But the problem lies in when the Luftwhiners find the Ta-152 is not what they expected/want and come here to whine about it. You KNOW it will happen. I have my bets on the first whine post when the game hits the shelf is on the Ta-152's low alt performance.

Gib

S77th-brooks
02-26-2004, 05:21 PM
when they put in sum E bleed IN THE LA7 the noobs need a new plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Zen--
02-26-2004, 05:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Im sure the Ta-152 will be a good aircraft! Im just saying people are ASSUMING A LOT from such limited data and referances. I think its all wishfull thanking. But the problem lies in when the Luftwhiners find the Ta-152 is not what they expected/want and come here to whine about it. You KNOW it will happen. I have my bets on the first whine post when the game hits the shelf is on the Ta-152's low alt performance.

Gib<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hope you aren't refering to me Gib, just making some logical guessing is all. I don't particular whine about anything and will fly the plane regardless. I don't believe in an uber bird to finally vindicate the luftwhiners, thats not my cup of tea. I just love the plane.

-Zen-

jensenpark
02-26-2004, 05:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S77th-brooks:
when they put in sum E bleed IN THE LA7 the noobs need a new plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha ha! Too bloody true!

Isn't there going to be the I-185? That will be the the new uber plane from what I can see...

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TheGozr
02-26-2004, 05:58 PM
in Most of the occasions i fly Yak 3 and the yak 9U is not available,I like the plane .like in Greatergreen or war cloud medium. but my Favorite plane of all is YAK-9U this is the one i feel very confortable in and its due because i use to fly it in realife (Yak9 -U-M ),and probably will again next year so it's personal for me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .Right now i'm taking care of my proto motorbikes.

All the planes are great i love all , i just need some warm up with them..

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[This message was edited by TheGozr on Thu February 26 2004 at 05:10 PM.]

p1ngu666
02-26-2004, 06:17 PM
for me, i think the new open sever n00b plane will be the ta152 if whats said is true, good speed,climb,firepower,turntime,roll. oleg said it would turn with a la7...
i expect the spit tobe easy, cos it was. why it was loved so http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
but for anyyear server, u gonna haveto fly the wings off it i think

ive played once with zen, didnt see much to make him uber pilot, but none for bad either http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
but hes a nice guy, pleasure to fly with http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
im sure zen will uber me soon tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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diomedes33
02-26-2004, 06:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
ive played once with zen, didnt see much to make him uber pilot, but none for bad either http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
but hes a nice guy, pleasure to fly with http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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I didn't mean to contribute to Zen's Superman status. He's a very good pilot be sure. What impresses me most is he knows how to ride the dora on the edge. In addition, he's curtious and very respectful whether you are the best or worst pilot. A joy to fly with.

Come to think about it haven't seen him online for awhile. Used to see him all the time as TX-Zen, now once in awhile on warclouds.

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RedDeth
02-26-2004, 06:34 PM
someone posted this

"Hey how about a Zen vs SlickStick. Dora vs LA7. How about it guys. I'd be willing to pay for a track of that fight if those guys are as good as they are supposed to be."

ive done 1 v 1 vs slickstick and i flew four different planes . he stuck to the LA 7 . when i flew the dora vs him i was untouchable BUT i couldnt hit his LA either as he keeps it at about 50 to 500 ft off the deck at all times. so it was a stalemate in that plane.but to even get a shot at slickstick ever you have to be prepared to go all the way to the deck and i mean DECK.

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RedDeth
02-26-2004, 06:38 PM
i agree with gibbage completely. the TA152 will not be uber. it has giant wings which are a giant target. at low to medium altitudes it will be a piece of cake to blow its wings off i think . sort of like aiming at a thin bomber wing possibly. the spit will rock but be slow. and the only surprise to me is gibbage stating the new gunsight for stang will make it deadly for pinpoint aiming. that sounds cool but i doubt they will model it that well. they will probably give that plane a general ability to get more pilot kills than normal. similar to say a yak or la which gets ten times the pilot kills of a 109.

the late model p38 should be much better than the TA152 in my book at most altitudes

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Ketalar
02-26-2004, 07:03 PM
Gibbage1:
Please check your private topics. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

EPP-Gibbs
02-26-2004, 07:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
The spit will rock but be slow. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you mean the VB, then slow is a matter of context. If it's a 1941 arena, it won't be slow. If it's a 1944 arena it will be slow-ish.

Top speed was around 371mph (593 kph level) probably at about 19,000 ft or so.

It's performance was broadly comparable with the 109F in the same way as the Mk1 Spit was comparable with the 109E. I've not heard people complain on these boards that the 109F is slow...

The Mk IX would hold it's own in any arena, having a top speed of about 408mph level, (652kph) and a ceiling of about 42,000 ft.

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SlickStick
02-27-2004, 06:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
someone posted this

"Hey how about a Zen vs SlickStick. Dora vs LA7. How about it guys. I'd be willing to pay for a track of that fight if those guys are as good as they are supposed to be."

ive done 1 v 1 vs slickstick and i flew four different planes . he stuck to the LA 7 . when i flew the dora vs him i was untouchable BUT i couldnt hit his LA either as he keeps it at about 50 to 500 ft off the deck at all times. so it was a stalemate in that plane.but to even get a shot at slickstick ever you have to be prepared to go all the way to the deck and i mean DECK.

http://www.fighterjocks.net home of Now 12 time Champions Team AFJ. 6 Years Flying. http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_120_1065509034.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Red, totally innaccurate rememberance of our match. I'll have to pull up the track and post it I guess, because you have a bad memory. Too much wine methinks.

The only plane you even shot me down in was the K4 and if I wasn't climbing to at least 2500m, I wouldn't have been able to shoot you down.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I stay around 2500m against the likes of strict B and Z flyers like yourself. That way I can keep my speed up and be able to Split S under your dive and still be able to keep enough speed to follow you back up.

The score was almost 12-0 instead of my winning at 8-4. You know as well as I do that you were only a few meters away from my shells everytime in your zoom climb. Also, I stayed regular LA7, instead of the faster La7 3xB20 and still matched you move for move in speed and almost in climb.

I usually fly between 2000 and 3000m until it's time to dive and swoop some prey. The difference for me is that I can out turn 97% of the people I fly in this game, so I'm comfortable down low. The other 3% either get B and Z'd or get me.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Most B and Z pilots in FB can't turn with me, so they have no choice but to B and Z if they want kills.

I'll be ready this Friday, if you care to try again, RedDeth. I noticed you haven't been back to the LPS since I sent you limping away the first time.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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flyingskid2
02-27-2004, 09:31 AM
post the track. post the track. please.

p1ngu666
02-27-2004, 10:10 AM
im happy to provide webspace :P
perhaps ill come along and spectate if it isnt a full real server http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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TheGozr
02-27-2004, 11:20 AM
I totaly up for the 1 vs 1 thing and we can spectate or look at the recocorded track, I'm sure Baldie would love to host such events http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
we can write our names to a post and wait in queue for our 1 vs 1 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Baldie? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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02-27-2004, 12:12 PM
Ta-152.. definietely not a noob or buer plane down low... Good enough performer though to compete. BTW, I have never seen anybody on these boards ever claiming it would be something totally unbeatable. I dont get Gibbage frenzy about the "luftwhiners", maybe its just his usual stuff.. and the supposed whining "when it dont matches the exceptations". When the heck was there such whining ? I have seen it for every P-xx series though... re: half a thousend my P-47 dont roll well, too slow, "ahistorical" etc. Ditto for P-40 and P-51. So what the heck you talk about? Everybody here thinks the Ta-152 will be what it was : a dedicated high altitude fighter, extremely dangerous in it`s own hunting grounds (above 8-9000m), but nothing special down low... Best thing about it will be the armement IMHO.. MK 108 + 20mms, very good choice, combining the brutality of the MK108 with the good ballistics the Mauser cannon. But wont climb better than the Dora, and it will be slower at low alts, roll rate will be worser. The advantage is that with those big wings, the 190 fans will finally do some turnfighting against the not-so-good turners, but that`s all. Otherwise, anybody who says the big wing only help at low altitude, they don`t do nothing positive down low... well.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif .. could use a little more reading on the subject. Look up the word "lift" and how it effects turning...


As for Spit, it will depend on the actual model of controls what it will be.. Pure dogfighting performance was high, among the best, but the controls were not well harmonized, the elevator was very touchy, very small movements brought the plane to it`s max AoA (which was relatively low on the Spit, because of it`s thin, but long airfoil). In practice, this means that you will have to be very careful with the elevator, otherwise you will do a flip roll under a dynamic stall, like FW 190. BUT if you can handle the elevator gently, you can turn very tightly, and ride the stall for long. A sort of contradiction... It will all depend wheter Oleg will model the sensitive elevator control, or will do a generic model. In the first case, the Spit wont be a noob plane, people will stall it too much. Those who played Janes WW2 Fighters can have some clue about that. In the latter case, we get an arcade model, for noobs. Also, with the first pack, we only get the Mk V, that`s not so impressive relative to the 41-43 antagonists as the later IX LF. The latter will be very good, one of the favourites of DF servers, sensitive elevators or not. Though I doubt it will be as good TnB as the Soviet planes.

[This message was edited by VO101_Kurfurst on Fri February 27 2004 at 11:43 AM.]

Aztek_Eagle
02-27-2004, 12:17 PM
if they model them right they wont be noob planes, the only noob planes we had were the me262 and the k4, witch now they modeled them right, all planes are killable, it is easier if u got a wingman to play wiht him online, it is realy fun

Aztek_Eagle
02-27-2004, 12:33 PM
My definition of a noob aircraft is an AC you can just hop in, and score easy kills. Yak's and LA's come to mind first in this. P.11c or I-153 is not on my list because they depend on people to be just as stupid as they are, and turn. If im in my P-39, I dont evem mess with them. I will throw a few 37MM's in there general direction, but I wont tangle if they are pointing at me. In a 1944-45 server, you NEVER see anyone say "Wow, that I-153 pilot is good!".

All are noob planes, everyone quit wiht the crap, i feel sorry for those las and yaks, u just take them up more than 3800 and they are easy kill on german planes, u need the skill on those planes to fight a german plane up high, and those i16s and i15 in early war maps, i fly them sometimes, u need skill aswell, even more than the faster planes, i always give them my six easy, they will come and dive on me coming fast from begine, do a quick s turn, german noobs always pull up, i pull up to on their six, and yes they are faster getting away, but u give them sniper shoots and they are death for good, if u dont get them on the first, sometimes they get scare and they leave u alone lol

JG26Red
02-27-2004, 09:26 PM
152H should be very good all around, up and down... most of its kills where low aways, agiansts 51s, 47s, tempests and yaks... so it shouldnt be that bad where everything normally happens in DF servers, but, that said, i would have prefers the C, but it didnt fly so no argue if it doesnt show, but 4 20mm and 1 30mm and 360mph on deck would be killer

JG26Red
02-27-2004, 09:27 PM
slickstick, you may be good, but damn your awful arogant for being good at playing a game.. wow.. how old are u?