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SkyChimp
04-01-2004, 06:44 PM
Ok, it didn't win the war. But it kept it from being lost http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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SkyChimp
04-01-2004, 06:44 PM
Ok, it didn't win the war. But it kept it from being lost http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Covino
04-01-2004, 06:49 PM
It wasn't as fast or as manueverable as the Zero but that beer can with a popsicle stick through it sure held its own. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

NegativeGee
04-01-2004, 06:54 PM
I rather like how Joe Foss (USMC, 26 kills) put it about the Wildcat:

"As the Red Baron said, 'It's not the crate, it's the man sitting in it.' If it were not so, the Grumman Wildcat would have been a flying coffin".

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Gunther Rall

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SkyChimp
04-01-2004, 07:02 PM
I've also read a quote from a Marine squadron commander who, when comparing the Wildcat and Zero, said, "Your plane is slower, less manueverable, and doesn't climb as well. Other than that, you've got the better plane."

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VW-IceFire
04-01-2004, 07:47 PM
Wildcat started winning back the skies once the pilots started using some good team tactics. The Thatch Weave for instance...a team of Wildcats could beat a team of Zero's if employed properly.

Many people online need to learn this yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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HarryVoyager
04-01-2004, 08:04 PM
Also, in large engagements, the durability of the Wildcat actually made it a superior fighter than the Zero.

Basically, the Wildcat could stay on a target with a bogey on it's tail a bit longer than the Zero could, so the Wildcats ended up having longer firing windows, and longer life times than the Zeros did.

Harry Voyager

fordfan25
04-01-2004, 08:34 PM
alot of pepole also over look reliability and the life spane of the engine and other parts.its a shame the wildcat didnt have a ford 5.0 in it. If it had then it realy woulda won the war. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nimits
04-01-2004, 08:44 PM
IJN pilots, even (perhaps especially) the veterans, were too inundated in WWI Flying Circus style tactics. Used to easy victories over the hopelessy outclassed Chinese Air Force, as well as the slightly better but outnumbered Allied Air Forces in the first 3-5 months, the IJN pilots were poorly trained to engage in large battles of attrition. The IJNAF had been designed as a rapier to win quick victories, with little provision for fighting foes on a more or less equal footing.

fordfan25
04-01-2004, 09:00 PM
pluse i think thay were useing chevy motors so the repair cost a downtime were enormouse lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

heywooood
04-01-2004, 09:53 PM
There is a Wildcat that flies at an annual airshow in my town.. its a comical little fat bird with a deep rumble like a farm tractor.

Its amazing to see the contrast between what it looks like parked vs its natural element...
It seems light and easy in the air.

Giganoni
04-01-2004, 10:33 PM
Plus Japan never rotated their pilots after a certain point to train the cadets, well, if they were injured they would go back and train the cadets. So at Midway, they lose many of their best pilots while the Americans are just starting to get better. Still, even after Phillippine Sea, Japan had plenty of good pilots. One ace was one of those injured instructors hopped back into a Ki-100 even though he was missing his left lower leg. He got his 12th kill and survived the war. I'm sure Germany has similar instances.

necrobaron
04-01-2004, 10:38 PM
Something tells me fordfan25 is a Ford fan. I can't quite put my finger on what it is..... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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fordfan25
04-02-2004, 04:40 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif im just kiding about chevysthay make great....... boat anchers lol.but seriously thare is one good thing about owning a chevy.....youll get alot of exercise http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

JG7_Rall
04-02-2004, 04:58 PM
Necrobaron-love the avatar! Is there a site with more on it, or did you just find an image and reduce the size?

S!

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IV_JG51_Razor
04-02-2004, 05:01 PM
Also, it's kind of ironic don't ya know, the IJN had very few radios installed, and those that were, rarely worked.

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RAC_Pips
04-02-2004, 05:24 PM
I think it was the author/historian Barrett Tillman who said that, for him, there were three crucial aircraft used by the US that were the key to success in the Pacific.

The F4F Wildcat. It helped save America from losing the War.
The F6F Hellcat. It broke the back of the IJNAF.
The B-29 Superfortress. It destroyed Japan's ability to wage war.

necrobaron
04-02-2004, 06:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
Necrobaron-love the avatar! Is there a site with more on it, or did you just find an image and reduce the size?

S!

Hutch


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Thanks! It looks a lot better when it's not so small. I just found it in my photo collection on my comp and reduced the size. I can't remember where I found it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Chuck_Older
04-02-2004, 07:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
alot of pepole also over look reliability and the life spane of the engine and other parts.its a shame the wildcat didnt have a ford 5.0 in it. If it had then it realy woulda won the war. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You really mean a 4.9, right? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Cute little motor, I prefer the Buick 7.4 liter myself, though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif For Ford engines, I'd take a 3.0 liter Ford DFV over a "5.0" any day of the week http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I'm not sure how many aircooled 302s make 1200 hp, like the Wildcat's Twin Wasp did.


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fordfan25
04-02-2004, 11:35 PM
4.9 have a long life span but couldnt give you enough power for a carrier take off. the 5.0 h.o efi. has the best of both worlds good hp for fast l.v flight and good low end torque for those carrier take off's and is stout enough to add a supercharger for high alt. flying wich is were the little 3.0 would have problems running at a constantly high rpm with so much stress from the charger. but with reguler matanence and some forged pistons it would work.of course my first choice would have to be the 429 cj it could make the 1200 all though titanium is costly lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

fordfan25
04-02-2004, 11:39 PM
o and the 7.4 would be a fine choice ....if you injoy long swimslol j/k http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Chuck_Older
04-03-2004, 07:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
o and the 7.4 would be a fine choice ....if you injoy long swimslol j/k http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I guess you've never ridden in a Stage 1 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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fordfan25
04-03-2004, 09:55 AM
isnt that something like a pinto http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

Chuck_Older
04-03-2004, 10:09 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif maybe... can a Pinto can do a 13.38 at 105.5mph from the showroom, on pump gas?

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Tully__
04-03-2004, 10:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif maybe... can a Pinto can do a 13.38 at 105.5mph from the showroom, on pump gas?

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Don't they pump 130 octane avgas at most mid to large size airfields http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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fordfan25
04-03-2004, 10:17 AM
please i can do that on a 10 speed bike. well going down hill any way. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Chuck_Older
04-03-2004, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
please i can do that on a 10 speed bike. well going down hill any way. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's some hill http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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yes, but the cost of gas is incredible as it is! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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VMF-214_HaVoK
04-03-2004, 11:25 AM
Wildcat? How about the Hellcat. Over 6000 enemy planes destroyed by carrier based aircraft. Over 4000 of those were destroyed by the Hellcat.
So she would have to get my vote.
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Tully__
04-03-2004, 11:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Wildcat? How about the Hellcat. Over 6000 enemy planes destroyed by carrier based aircraft. Over 4000 of those were destroyed by the Hellcat.
So she would have to get my vote.
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Havok, check the Rules of Conduct thread for sig size limits.... yours is too big http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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VMF-214_HaVoK
04-03-2004, 03:10 PM
Hows this Tully? Whats funny is I been using that sig for months and posted in the same threads you have and you just now say something. Somebody must have been whining http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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Tully__
04-03-2004, 05:15 PM
The new one is very nice. Noone's been whining, I've been too busy with other stuff to pay much attention to sigs. You just got caught up in a "sweep" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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VMF-214_HaVoK
04-03-2004, 09:23 PM
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HarryVoyager
04-03-2004, 11:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
Of course my first choice would have to be the 429 cj it could make the 1200 all though titanium is costly lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, but could it then survive half the engine block being knocked off, and still keep running at 70% power for the next two to three hours?

Frankly I'd take a Pratt&Whitney or Curtis Wright over the Ford engine, any day.

And besides, we all know it was General Motors that made Wildcats, not Ford.

Yes, most of those lovely little Wildcats are GM planes. Ford was busy stamping out Shermans.

Harry Voyager

LEXX_Luthor
04-03-2004, 11:39 PM
LOL I forgot, Wildcat gets the I~16 manual landing gear thing haha http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

HarryVoyager
04-04-2004, 12:03 AM
37 cranks too, if I recall correctly, and, if we want to be historically accurate about it, with the right hand, with the possibility of the crank getting loose, and whaping your thighs for every crank on the way down.

The knock-kneed bumblebee indeed.

Harry Voyager