PDA

View Full Version : The Assassins mentioned in the bible?



tH3PatRi0Tx1776
05-15-2012, 03:39 AM
So...I was reading the bible just now and I stumbled upon this verse in the book of Acts.

ďArenít you the Egyptian who led a rebellion some time ago and took 4,000 members of the Assassins out into the desert?Ē- Acts 21:38

Now, it suggests there were more than 4,000 members and it doesn't just say, assassins, but it says the Assassins, with Assassins being capitalized. Which means this was a widely known group and it was a HUGE order.

Now Acts was written around 70 A.D. The Assassin order, was established, supposedly, around 1092 A.D., but the game says that the Assassins have been around since before that, which the bible seems to confirm.

Maybe I'm just reading to much into this or something, but isn't that interesting?

FilipinoNinja67
05-15-2012, 03:49 AM
Mabye it was the real Assassin group that this game's order was originally based off of? (The Hashashins I think)

rileypoole1234
05-15-2012, 03:54 AM
Well it certainly is very interesting. Quite interesting indeed. Evidently the Assassins was a major order back then, and an official one if it's capitalised. I'm going to find that in my Bible and read more in the book if Acts. I wonder if it pops up again.

ace3001
05-15-2012, 05:52 AM
It is of course worded differently in different editions: http://bible.cc/acts/21-38.htm (http://bible.cc/acts/21-38.htm)
The consensus seems to be that it refers to these people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicarii

tH3PatRi0Tx1776
05-15-2012, 06:31 AM
Very interesting! Could it be that these Sicarii then became the Nizari? Highly unlikely, but maybe possible?

Aphex_Tim
05-15-2012, 06:38 AM
Mabye it was the real Assassin group that this game's order was originally based off of? (The Hashashins I think)

Yes, the assassins in the first game were clearly based on the Hashashins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashashins
They share a lot of similarities.
Scroll down a little and you'll read about Rashid ad-Din Sinan at Masyaf for example.

doogsy91
05-15-2012, 09:27 AM
Lol the Assassins started as the Hashashin around the time period of AC1. In Revelations when Ezio mentions they existed well before Altair's time, he's clearing referring to the fact that Adam and Eve were the first Assassins in the AC universe. No such order predated the Hashashin.

Scystab
05-15-2012, 01:35 PM
I agree with you on the fact who Ezio is reffering to, Doogsy91, but i don't agree with your last statement. AC Universe does mention that Brutus was an Assassin. So we had Assassins in Roman times, way before the Hashashins.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Roman_Assassins

So i guess they really did start before the AC 1 time period.

EDIT: found some more mentionings of the ORder from around 259:

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Accipiter
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Aquilus

I would say 800 years counts as "way before" :)

tH3PatRi0Tx1776
05-15-2012, 03:06 PM
Exactly! Crazy how they would be mentioned in the Bible or at least to think that they might be mentioned as an actual group of people. If you read the definition for the Sicarii, it says they worked in stealth, using cloaks and hiding small daggers under them or better worded, having hidden blades ;) Also, it mentions that they would kill their targets in public in front of huge crowds. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Best part is that this was all around 70 A.D., 1,000 years before the Nizari Hashashins! :eek:

MasterSimaYi
05-15-2012, 03:15 PM
I agree with you on the fact who Ezio is reffering to, Doogsy91, but i don't agree with your last statement. AC Universe does mention that Brutus was an Assassin. So we had Assassins in Roman times, way before the Hashashins.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Roman_Assassins

So i guess they really did start before the AC 1 time period.

EDIT: found some more mentionings of the ORder from around 259:

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Accipiter
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Aquilus

I would say 800 years counts as "way before" :)

All 40 senators who conspired Julius Caesar's death were Assassins. From the Et Tu, Brute? sequence of Chapter 2 of the Rome pack in Project Legacy: "Forty of us, each a senator. [...] Each a Liberatore. Each an Assassin." The Assassin insignia also appears on the back of the Armor of Brutus, you'll see it if you unsheathe the crossbow. The Assassins existed since at least the 5th century BCE, as the Assassin Darius killed Xerxes I of Persia in 465 BCE.

On-topic, though, you may just bereading it out of context. Are you sure it doesn't mention any particular group of assassins before that chapter?

tH3PatRi0Tx1776
05-15-2012, 03:46 PM
Nope! That's the only mention of the Assassins in the book of Acts. I guess they were a highly known group back then if they just had to refer it once without explanation. People believe it might have been the Sicarii, but are uncertain.

GuZZ33
05-15-2012, 03:49 PM
Acts 21:38.

It is of course worded differently in different editions: http://bible.cc/acts/21-38.htm (http://bible.cc/acts/21-38.htm)
The consensus seems to be that it refers to these people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicarii
Wow, so many different bible translations, which is the correct one though?, who knows?, anywa,y interestingly it reads in the NIV 1984 version terrorists rather than assassins, in the KJV (cambridge edition) murderers, in another bible translation it says criminal men, another one says cut-throats and another says fighting men, and yet another mentions simply bad men. The new world translation of the holy scriptures says dagger men. In that wiki link it mentions an extremist splinter group, so, they could of been splinter cells?, hahaha!, get ya sam fisher on!, hehehe!.

tH3PatRi0Tx1776
05-15-2012, 04:01 PM
Hahahaha! XD Splinter Cells :P but yeah, most of them refer to them as Assassins though, each time it is capitalized

Edit: except for 3-4 times, but still, 4,000 men. That's a lot of them!

tH3PatRi0Tx1776
02-06-2013, 02:35 AM
;)

Aphex_Tim
02-06-2013, 09:25 AM
I've asked this before but what's with all the massive bumps lately?

FrankieSatt
02-06-2013, 02:59 PM
So...I was reading the bible just now and I stumbled upon this verse in the book of Acts.

ďArenít you the Egyptian who led a rebellion some time ago and took 4,000 members of the Assassins out into the desert?Ē- Acts 21:38

Now, it suggests there were more than 4,000 members and it doesn't just say, assassins, but it says the Assassins, with Assassins being capitalized. Which means this was a widely known group and it was a HUGE order.

Now Acts was written around 70 A.D. The Assassin order, was established, supposedly, around 1092 A.D., but the game says that the Assassins have been around since before that, which the bible seems to confirm.

Maybe I'm just reading to much into this or something, but isn't that interesting?

Not sure what Bible you are reading but I suggest you put it down and read the Kings James version.

All these "New Editions" are translanted by people who shouldn't be translating.

ktyoung
02-06-2013, 03:06 PM
The Hashashin order were a bunch of Syrian/Islamic refugees who served as the basis for the very first Assassin's creed. Masayf, Alamut, The Old Man of The Mountain(which was the identity Altair took on in Revelations) the Mongols attacking, the Polos visiting, it was all real. Of course, Assassin's Creed exaggerates upon it, but it is mostly a real-life parallel.

ktyoung
02-06-2013, 03:09 PM
It was said they were so loyal to their Grandmaster that when he gave a demonstration of said loyalty to King Richard during his visit, two young Assassins leaped off a cliff to their deaths on command. Oddly enough, the Assassins who actually did the assassinating never harmed an innocent. It was against their beliefs. And the Leap of Faith? Well, it was actually a form of suicide. So no one would get caught.

AjinkyaParuleka
02-06-2013, 05:46 PM
Now I feel Assassins existed even after 13th/14th century.I guess they do now too...

Abeonis
02-06-2013, 07:26 PM
Not sure what Bible you are reading but I suggest you put it down and read the Kings James version.All these "New Editions" are translanted by people who shouldn't be translating.Why should we put any more faith in the King James Bible's translation than another version? The King James bible was overseen by the King himself and had to pass his authorisation before it could be published, does he have more right to translate something than Joe Bloggs who wrote one of the "new editions" you refer to so disparagingly?

Assassin_M
02-06-2013, 08:25 PM
The Hashashin order were a bunch of Syrian/Islamic refugees who served as the basis for the very first Assassin's creed. Masayf, Alamut, The Old Man of The Mountain(which was the identity Altair took on in Revelations) the Mongols attacking, the Polos visiting, it was all real. Of course, Assassin's Creed exaggerates upon it, but it is mostly a real-life parallel.
They weren't just Syrian, they were originally from Persia. The Order was a Nizari Ismaili sect that has modern descendants to this very day....

The old man of the mountain was Rashid adin Sinan (Almualim) not Altair...

ToughGuy31
02-07-2013, 02:54 AM
Exactly! Crazy how they would be mentioned in the Bible or at least to think that they might be mentioned as an actual group of people. If you read the definition for the Sicarii, it says they worked in stealth, using cloaks and hiding small daggers under them or better worded, having hidden blades ;) Also, it mentions that they would kill their targets in public in front of huge crowds. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Best part is that this was all around 70 A.D., 1,000 years before the Nizari Hashashins! :eek:

HOLY MOLY!! D: This is interesting.

IWGCJoeCool
02-07-2013, 01:31 PM
anyone wanna get some talk about politics going on here too??? we could really have a Holy War!!!



:D

JC

MasterAssasin84
02-07-2013, 04:46 PM
I am not to sure about the bible but i am quite that the Assassins did exist in history here is what i found whilst doing a bit of research Assassins (Persian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language): حشاشين Ḥashshāshīn or باطنیان Bāteniān ,Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): حشاشين Ḥashshāshīn, Modern Turkish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_language): Haşhaşiler.