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Dogtail2
07-28-2004, 05:06 AM
Apparently the Pilot/owner ran out of fuel in one tank and then mis-selected another tank causing fuel starvation...oops! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Dogtail2
07-28-2004, 05:06 AM
Apparently the Pilot/owner ran out of fuel in one tank and then mis-selected another tank causing fuel starvation...oops! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Groundbait
07-28-2004, 06:23 AM
Oh I can feel the shame...

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Arm_slinger
07-28-2004, 06:45 AM
what a plonker

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trumper
07-28-2004, 07:48 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif sounds familiar IF it IS true ,the Blenhiem had too much air in the fuel system as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

IS THIS THEORY CORRECT? where did the info come from ???

PBNA-Boosher
07-28-2004, 08:00 AM
Everyone makes mistakes guys. Let's be glad both he and the plane are still in good condition.

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Arm_slinger
07-28-2004, 08:08 AM
I'd speak to ed about it Gary, he's saying it suffered engine failiure.

An edit to the message, it did suffer engine failiure. Given Eddie's knowledge of the air world i would take it as gospel fella's


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Dogtail2
07-28-2004, 08:48 AM
It was fuel starvation caused by finger trouble. I dont mind if you dont believe it. I just thought you might be interested to know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

LeadSpitter_
07-28-2004, 09:03 AM
does anyone have any articles on it photos or videos?

I know miss helen crashed also in 1977, same aircraft. They had to do a full restoration. It seems like this landing did alot less damage then back then.

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trumper
07-28-2004, 09:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dogtail2:
It was fuel starvation caused by finger trouble. I dont mind if you dont believe it. I just thought you might be interested to know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It isn't a case of not believing you,i have heard so many rumours in the past about things that were not true it is only fair to see how true these things are,hopefully they will be up and flying again soon,[ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif with a full tank of fuel]

Arm_slinger
07-28-2004, 09:33 AM
oops sorry dog i didnt mean to come across as rude. The actual cause was from an engine malfunction as i have learnt.

Sorry once again. From what i have learnt she force landed sunday, and had the new bits ordered monday. Hopefully we wont have to wait long http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Taylortony
07-28-2004, 10:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dogtail2:
Apparently the Pilot/owner ran out of fuel in one tank and then mis-selected another tank causing fuel starvation...oops! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not actually totally correct, it was fuel starvation, or so they believe, one tank apparently had about 60 gallons in it and the other had under 10 gallons in it, the possible theory is with it cranked over doing a hard turn the fuel shifted outboard from the feed as it was running on the lower levelled tank, when it cut he selected the other tank, but it was to late to recover......... But its all speculation till the final report hits the desk..

Yes the Blenheim ran out of fuel but that was because they were working on the incorrect fuel consumption figure for the mixture setting in use.

AAIB Report 08/31reads as follows:

"The aircraft was returning to Duxford after a display at Somerley Park when the pilot noticed a disparity in readings between the left and right fuel tank gauges. There was also significantly less total fuel than would have been expected for this stage of the flight. "The fuel levels were checked as being correct prior to the flight with a dipstick and without any reason to suspect a leak, the pilot assumed gauge error. He continued towards Duxford, calculating that even if the gauge readings were correct, there was still sufficient fuel to complete the planned route. "As the aircraft joined left left base leg for Runway 24 at Duxford, the right engine started to surge and a decision was taken on early finals to land in a field to the east of the runway. Full flap was selected and power reduced in order to land in this field but at this point the right engine began developing power, making the runway a more viable option. "As the pilot attempted to land on the runway, the right engine stopped. Full power was selected on the left engine but because of the developing right roll, power had to be reduced again. The aircraft subsequently hit the embankment short of the threshold, sliding up it, turning through 90 degrees and coming to a stop. "Subsequent investigation showed that the right engine had failed through fuel starvation. When calculating the fuel required, the pilot had applied the consumption figures for a 'weak' mixture setting but had flown the flight with 'normal' mixture selected, consumption data for which was unknown. "The investigation was unable to establish why the right hand engine had used more fuel than the left. Although fuel cross feed was selected, it appears to have been incapable of supplying fuel from the left tank to the right engine during the left banked turn on finals."

trumper
07-28-2004, 12:19 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif The AAIB report for the Blenhiem just says in a long way that the pilot misjudged and ran out of fuel,if he had had enough it would still be flying.I still would like to know what would have happened if Duxford and Cambridgeshire had been closed down due to weather and he had to divert at the last minute.If he could'nt make the runway he would'nt have made it to a base 50 miles or so away http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

DaBallz
07-28-2004, 04:32 PM
the owner of "Miss Hellen" purchased the aircraft
with a zero time complete packard Merlin spare.
Seems he will need the spare engine and a bunch
of minor structural work with a bit of sheet metal.

Generally when you bag a prop it's an engine change.
That's the nice thing about wood props.
They don't always demolish the gear box and twist the crankshaft (ect).
The P-51D had a solid aluminum prop.

Da...

Arm_slinger
07-28-2004, 06:02 PM
the new rads were ordered the next day i know that much

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wayno7777
07-28-2004, 08:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
I'd speak to ed about it Gary, he's saying it suffered engine failiure.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, if an engine runs out of fuel it will suffer a failure. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Hope they get it back in the air soon!
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