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JamieSI
03-28-2012, 08:24 AM
http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/17279/no-female-lead-in-assassins-creed-iii-because-american-revolution-was-a-mans-world

According to Ubisoft creative director Alex Hutchinson, the reason that the lead character in Assassin's Creed 3 is male is due to the setting of the game, and that the American Revolution "is the history of men".

Assassin_M
03-28-2012, 08:26 AM
He made some very valid points..
unlike the excuse for not having the ability to remove armor..

AlphaAltair
03-28-2012, 08:55 AM
Fine with me. Going from James Bond in GE to Joanna Dark in PD must have scarred me I guess.

souNdwAve89
03-28-2012, 09:01 AM
Sounds good with me. Hope to see a future AC game with a female lead character though.

EscoBlades
03-28-2012, 09:08 AM
Here is the actual article on *shivers* Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/5896938/just-who-is-assassins-creed-iiis-new-hero)

deskpe
03-29-2012, 12:12 AM
He made some very valid points..
unlike the excuse for not having the ability to remove armor..

Have they said you can't remove armor in AC3?



Coming from Spore and The Sims he should know the value of characther costumization....... Removable upgrades/armor and hood on/off options PLEASE, we should make sure we're beaing heard before its "too late"

Jexx21
03-29-2012, 12:21 AM
Here is the actual article on *shivers* Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/5896938/just-who-is-assassins-creed-iiis-new-hero)

...I like Kotaku.

kriegerdesgottes
03-29-2012, 12:24 AM
Here is the actual article on *shivers* Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/5896938/just-who-is-assassins-creed-iiis-new-hero)

What's wrong with Kotaku? That's by far my favorite gaming site. They actually post a ton of stuff every day and there is usually something interesting on their page unlike most other game sites.

LightRey
03-29-2012, 12:32 AM
What's wrong with Kotaku? That's by far my favorite gaming site. They actually post a ton of stuff every day and there is usually something interesting on their page unlike most other game sites.
They tend to publish a lot of BS and leaks.

Lonesoldier2012
03-29-2012, 12:38 AM
Yeah... That's why.

Josegtx13
03-29-2012, 12:52 AM
He made some very valid points..
unlike the excuse for not having the ability to remove armor..

Armor isn't removable? :(

They better not force us to buy armor then.

UrDeviant1
03-29-2012, 01:44 AM
This statement from the Kotaku article Annoyed the hell outta' me: "Our portrait of Connor is still vague. He's no Ezio yet, but maybe he just won't ever be."

AnthonyA85
03-29-2012, 02:31 AM
Armor isn't removable? :(

They better not force us to buy armor then.

I'm actually hoping there won't be any armor at all this time round, maybe leather, but anything more than that would be historically inacurate, since armor sets were pretty much obsolete by the late 18th century.

JumpInTheFire13
03-29-2012, 03:01 AM
Connor's such a beast he doesn't need armor.

AdamXEve
03-29-2012, 03:24 AM
inb4ITT: Women ***** about "equality" in a game that was set during the American Revolution, where even most women felt that a woman's place was at home doing the daily deeds and what not.

Also, Kotaku is a garbage; it's like the TMZ of gaming.

Lonesoldier2012
03-29-2012, 03:38 AM
inb4ITT: Women ***** about "equality" in a game that was set during the American Revolution, where even most women felt that a woman's place was at home doing the daily deeds and what not.

Also, Kotaku is a garbage; it's like the TMZ of gaming.

No person is like that here.

rileypoole1234
03-29-2012, 03:45 AM
This statement from the Kotaku article Annoyed the hell outta' me: "Our portrait of Connor is still vague. He's no Ezio yet, but maybe he just won't ever be."

Exactly. He's not supposed to be like Ezio at all.

ToniTorsi
03-29-2012, 03:47 AM
That sounded a bit too sexist

LightRey
03-29-2012, 08:37 AM
That sounded a bit too sexist
A lot of things sound sexist when you take them out of context.

frogger504
03-29-2012, 09:37 AM
Exactly. He's not supposed to be like Ezio at all.

I think they meant the character development and connection to it.


A lot of things sound sexist when you take them out of context.

To be fair he did say: " American Revolution "is the history of men".

That did imply sexism, and it implied that it didn't affect members of the other gender.

LightRey
03-29-2012, 11:01 AM
I think they meant the character development and connection to it.



To be fair he did say: " American Revolution "is the history of men".

That did imply sexism, and it implied that it didn't affect members of the other gender.
I'm talking about context, not paraphrasing. I know he said that. The problem is you don't know what else he said. The context​ is missing.

Blind2Society
03-29-2012, 11:17 AM
Too bad Claudia never got a game of her own, though I suppose it was for good reason. Still would be cool to play a female assassin.

D.I.D.
03-29-2012, 11:37 AM
inb4ITT: Women ***** about "equality" in a game that was set during the American Revolution, where even most women felt that a woman's place was at home doing the daily deeds and what not.


Whether there should be more female protagonists in games, and what kinds of characters they should be, has little to do with equality in the terms you're setting (and besides, women actually did work in the American Revolution as stealthy saboteurs, couriers and spies (http://www.amazon.com/Revolutionary-Mothers-Struggle-Americas-Independence/dp/1400075327)). It's about the equality of now, the equal access of people to stories, and aside from anything political it's about stopping games from getting stale.

Throughout history, most women and men have felt that the job of women and men was a humble, mundane life, maintaining the family. Games, particularly games like AC, are about exceptional human beings: heroic, remarkable figures such as -

Mary Seacole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Seacole) who risked her life regularly riding into battle to rescue men from the battlefield

Emilia Plater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emilia_Plater), who rose to the rank of Captain in the 1st Company of the Polish Infantry and became a national hero in her struggle against the Russian empire

Rachel Wall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Wall), whose husband George Wall fought in the American revolution, turned to piracy

Ching Shih (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih), who commanded 1800 pirate ships and 80,000 pirates, and was never defeated in battle (see also Lady Mary Killigrew, Lady Elizabeth Killigrew, Sayyida al Hurra, Mary Read, and many more (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_piracy))

Warrior leaders in the mold of Rani Lakshmi Bai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rani_Lakshmibai) (who fought with her troops against Britain's armies, eventually dying in the midst of battle), Boudica (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBoudica&ei=1yp0T-mtPOmX0QXjuvTlDw&usg=AFQjCNHNPx__yafIrnjKyWErkUbK4FYS3w) (who left a trail of destruction against the Roman invaders so severe that it appears as a layer of scorched earth in the geological record), or Queen Gwendolen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Gwendolen) (who took on leadership of Britain herself after leading an army in battle to defeat her ex-husband, the King), or the Tru'ng sisters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trưng_Sisters) (warrior queens who fought against the might of the Chinese army), or Mawiiya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavia_(queen)) (who led her troops in a rebellion which repeatedly crushed the Roman armies and forced them into a truce), or Yaa Asantewaa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaa_Asantewaa) (who fought for Ghanaian independence from British colonial power)

Baltazara Chuiza, Huillac Ñusca (a.k.a. "The Tyrant"), Manuela Beltrån, Bartolina Sisa, Toypurina, Lorenza Avamanay, Antonia Santos, Gregoria Apaza: resistance officers, generals and commanders who fought Spanish invasion in South America in the 18th and 19th centuries

Deborah Sampson, Elizabeth Newcom and Sarah Rosetta Wakeman (http://www.afoutreach.af.mil/afspeakers1/speech.asp?id=584), who took false names and disguised themselves as male to fight in the Revolutionary War, the Mexican-American War and the American Civil War respectively

I could go on with more examples if you like; the point is that in the period of the American Revolution and throughout history, there were plenty of women who could serve as inspiration for any kind of female assassin. I understand why Ubisoft didn't do it this time - no doubt it would have restricted some of their mission ideas and the extent to which the character could be the player's eyes at certain historical events - but that excuse can't be used forever.

SixKeys
03-29-2012, 06:03 PM
Whether there should be more female protagonists in games, and what kinds of characters they should be, has little to do with equality in the terms you're setting (and besides, women actually did work in the American Revolution as stealthy saboteurs, couriers and spies (http://www.amazon.com/Revolutionary-Mothers-Struggle-Americas-Independence/dp/1400075327)). It's about the equality of now, the equal access of people to stories, and aside from anything political it's about stopping games from getting stale.

Throughout history, most women and men have felt that the job of women and men was a humble, mundane life, maintaining the family. Games, particularly games like AC, are about exceptional human beings: heroic, remarkable figures such as -

Mary Seacole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Seacole) who risked her life regularly riding into battle to rescue men from the battlefield

Emilia Plater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emilia_Plater), who rose to the rank of Captain in the 1st Company of the Polish Infantry and became a national hero in her struggle against the Russian empire

Rachel Wall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Wall), whose husband George Wall fought in the American revolution, turned to piracy

Ching Shih (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih), who commanded 1800 pirate ships and 80,000 pirates, and was never defeated in battle (see also Lady Mary Killigrew, Lady Elizabeth Killigrew, Sayyida al Hurra, Mary Read, and many more (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_piracy))

Warrior leaders in the mold of Rani Lakshmi Bai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rani_Lakshmibai) (who fought with her troops against Britain's armies, eventually dying in the midst of battle), Boudica (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBoudica&ei=1yp0T-mtPOmX0QXjuvTlDw&usg=AFQjCNHNPx__yafIrnjKyWErkUbK4FYS3w) (who left a trail of destruction against the Roman invaders so severe that it appears as a layer of scorched earth in the geological record), or Queen Gwendolen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Gwendolen) (who took on leadership of Britain herself after leading an army in battle to defeat her ex-husband, the King), or the Tru'ng sisters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C6%B0ng_Sisters) (warrior queens who fought against the might of the Chinese army), or Mawiiya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavia_%28queen%29) (who led her troops in a rebellion which repeatedly crushed the Roman armies and forced them into a truce), or Yaa Asantewaa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaa_Asantewaa) (who fought for Ghanaian independence from British colonial power)

Baltazara Chuiza, Huillac Ñusca (a.k.a. "The Tyrant"), Manuela Beltrån, Bartolina Sisa, Toypurina, Lorenza Avamanay, Antonia Santos, Gregoria Apaza: resistance officers, generals and commanders who fought Spanish invasion in South America in the 18th and 19th centuries

Deborah Sampson, Elizabeth Newcom and Sarah Rosetta Wakeman (http://www.afoutreach.af.mil/afspeakers1/speech.asp?id=584), who took false names and disguised themselves as male to fight in the Revolutionary War, the Mexican-American War and the American Civil War respectively

I could go on with more examples if you like; the point is that in the period of the American Revolution and throughout history, there were plenty of women who could serve as inspiration for any kind of female assassin. I understand why Ubisoft didn't do it this time - no doubt it would have restricted some of their mission ideas and the extent to which the character could be the player's eyes at certain historical events - but that excuse can't be used forever.

^ Good comment.

I understand their reasons for not going with a female protagonist in a game set in wartime. It was a man's world. The problem is, so is every historical time period. If they keep making games after AC3 (and I'm sure they will), they could visit any period in the past from Victorian England to WWI or Feudal Japan, and it would still be a man's world. If they want to have a female lead, they'll either have to set the game in the present or future or simply work their way around the problem of a woman trying to blend in with a bunch of dudes when that was still very rare. As DoubleClickTF pointed out, there is plenty of inspiration throughout history, they just need to come up with a good plot.

Kaxen6
03-29-2012, 07:36 PM
Whether there should be more female protagonists in games, and what kinds of characters they should be, has little to do with equality in the terms you're setting (and besides, women actually did work in the American Revolution as stealthy saboteurs, couriers and spies (http://www.amazon.com/Revolutionary-Mothers-Struggle-Americas-Independence/dp/1400075327)). It's about the equality of now, the equal access of people to stories, and aside from anything political it's about stopping games from getting stale.

Throughout history, most women and men have felt that the job of women and men was a humble, mundane life, maintaining the family. Games, particularly games like AC, are about exceptional human beings: heroic, remarkable figures such as -

Mary Seacole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Seacole) who risked her life regularly riding into battle to rescue men from the battlefield

Emilia Plater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emilia_Plater), who rose to the rank of Captain in the 1st Company of the Polish Infantry and became a national hero in her struggle against the Russian empire

Rachel Wall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Wall), whose husband George Wall fought in the American revolution, turned to piracy

Ching Shih (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih), who commanded 1800 pirate ships and 80,000 pirates, and was never defeated in battle (see also Lady Mary Killigrew, Lady Elizabeth Killigrew, Sayyida al Hurra, Mary Read, and many more (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_piracy))

Warrior leaders in the mold of Rani Lakshmi Bai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rani_Lakshmibai) (who fought with her troops against Britain's armies, eventually dying in the midst of battle), Boudica (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBoudica&ei=1yp0T-mtPOmX0QXjuvTlDw&usg=AFQjCNHNPx__yafIrnjKyWErkUbK4FYS3w) (who left a trail of destruction against the Roman invaders so severe that it appears as a layer of scorched earth in the geological record), or Queen Gwendolen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Gwendolen) (who took on leadership of Britain herself after leading an army in battle to defeat her ex-husband, the King), or the Tru'ng sisters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C6%B0ng_Sisters) (warrior queens who fought against the might of the Chinese army), or Mawiiya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavia_%28queen%29) (who led her troops in a rebellion which repeatedly crushed the Roman armies and forced them into a truce), or Yaa Asantewaa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaa_Asantewaa) (who fought for Ghanaian independence from British colonial power)

Baltazara Chuiza, Huillac Ñusca (a.k.a. "The Tyrant"), Manuela Beltrån, Bartolina Sisa, Toypurina, Lorenza Avamanay, Antonia Santos, Gregoria Apaza: resistance officers, generals and commanders who fought Spanish invasion in South America in the 18th and 19th centuries

Deborah Sampson, Elizabeth Newcom and Sarah Rosetta Wakeman (http://www.afoutreach.af.mil/afspeakers1/speech.asp?id=584), who took false names and disguised themselves as male to fight in the Revolutionary War, the Mexican-American War and the American Civil War respectively

I could go on with more examples if you like; the point is that in the period of the American Revolution and throughout history, there were plenty of women who could serve as inspiration for any kind of female assassin. I understand why Ubisoft didn't do it this time - no doubt it would have restricted some of their mission ideas and the extent to which the character could be the player's eyes at certain historical events - but that excuse can't be used forever.

Nice post.

>_>' I thought the fact that women worked at couriers and spies at several points in history would be really easy to shoehorn an assassin plot into. I mean, if you want invisible in plain sight, get a woman since the men are convinced they can't/don't do anything despite evidence to the contrary.

pacmanate
03-29-2012, 08:05 PM
I think they meant the character development and connection to it.



To be fair he did say: " American Revolution "is the history of men".

That did imply sexism, and it implied that it didn't affect members of the other gender.

It is a mans world I guess. MAN MAN MAN

albertwesker22
03-29-2012, 08:09 PM
Nice post.

>_>' I thought the fact that women worked at couriers and spies at several points in history would be really easy to shoehorn an assassin plot into. I mean, if you want invisible in plain sight, get a woman since the men are convinced they can't/don't do anything despite evidence to the contrary.

Yeah, so if a female assassin just strolls into an enemy camp, the gaurds don't even raise an eyebrow? WW2 would have been a decent setting for a female assassin, it may be a very modern setting, but at a time when most young men were drafted into the military, the women were used as factory workers, building tanks and planes ect. It would be a logical time period for a female assassin.

rileypoole1234
03-29-2012, 08:34 PM
Well wasn't it truly a man's world? What did women do in battles? They weren't even in battles right? I've never seen even a drawing of a woman fighting in the American war for Independence, so it only makes sense to play as a man.

Eziolala
03-29-2012, 11:47 PM
I can understand where he's coming from. I do not know much about the American Revolution (in Australian schools we focus more on the battles we took part in), but it's only a recent thing that women can join the army, isn't it? Even still, there are some restrictions. What Hutchinson said is logical. As a woman, am I disappointed? No, not really. His reasons make sense. They're valid points, as was stated earlier by someone else. I'm sure there will still be strong female characters in AC3, so I'm content with everything and excited for October.

Calvarok
03-30-2012, 04:40 AM
I think it was just restricting to have to adress the issue of your character's gender for the story they wanted to tell in the time period/place they wanted to tell it. If it was a story that didn't involve you interacting closely with so many powerful men, then it would be a lot easier. With a female lead, they'd have to get into why George washington talked about strategy and such with a woman, and that would kinda drag the story out if that happened with every person. If you really think about it, it would be very difficult to write if you constantly need to keep adressing this issue. Enemies would have to react to your gender, which also makes for more complicated AI sequences. It's not that women would not make good assassins or anything, but it's more the fact that you're like, interacting with one of the biggest boys clubs ever. (The Freemansons) Why would they let you hang out with them if you were female? They'd have to change the personalities and sensebilities that these people really had. It would make no sense.

In a situation in the same time-period and setting, where you're not really having to rely on your ability to get powerful men to take your advice and help you out, it would make more sense to have a female lead. But as it is, I understand the decision.

infamous_ezio
03-30-2012, 05:13 AM
Comeon guys, a woman as an assassin? this is some kind of joke right? a woman belongs in a confined area also known as... the kitchen!

Calvarok
03-30-2012, 07:36 AM
I'm annoyed at how eager people are to confront "sexism". Saying that during a time period in a certain place, it was mainly a man's world is not inherently sexist.

"Sexism, also known as gender discrimination or sex discrimination, is defined as prejudice or discrimination based on sex; or conditions or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex."

Pointing out the fact that it would be very, very unusual for a woman to be able to blend in in a male dominated environment, and that it would be even more unusual for them to be taken seriously during interactions with the men that the game is concerned with, is not sexism. It's acknowledgement of sexism in the historical period that the game is trying to represent.

Don't use the "S" word so lightly, guys.

D.I.D.
03-30-2012, 11:46 AM
I think it was just restricting to have to adress the issue of your character's gender for the story they wanted to tell in the time period/place they wanted to tell it. If it was a story that didn't involve you interacting closely with so many powerful men, then it would be a lot easier. With a female lead, they'd have to get into why George washington talked about strategy and such with a woman, and that would kinda drag the story out if that happened with every person. If you really think about it, it would be very difficult to write if you constantly need to keep adressing this issue. Enemies would have to react to your gender, which also makes for more complicated AI sequences. It's not that women would not make good assassins or anything, but it's more the fact that you're like, interacting with one of the biggest boys clubs ever. (The Freemansons) Why would they let you hang out with them if you were female? They'd have to change the personalities and sensebilities that these people really had. It would make no sense.

In a situation in the same time-period and setting, where you're not really having to rely on your ability to get powerful men to take your advice and help you out, it would make more sense to have a female lead. But as it is, I understand the decision.

Yes, I agree over the choice in ACIII, as I've said.

For sure, it'll be really disappointing if when they finally do introduce a female lead that she has to constantly face men saying "a LADY?! Harrrumph!" (or worse, the constant rape threats in Arkham City) by saying "Can it, lads, or you'll be wearing that grin on the other side of your face in a minute". That would make me cringe hard, and there's no reason why it necessarily has to be like that, depending on the time period and location. It would be quite refreshing if a games company could place a female lead in a game without doing the whole "but you're just a GIRL!" rigmarole, or at least keep that as brief as possible.

If you look at the lives of those women I mentioned earlier, and what they achieved, then it's clear that there wasn't much of a challenge to their authority - or rather, there couldn't have been. Look at Emilia Plater's life, alone: she died one month after her 25th birthday. She had no time for a long battle for acceptance. She went from her teenage years - spent honing martial skills, horseback riding, art, history and literature - into a situation when Russian imperial forces became a threat to her homeland. The rest of the aristocracy of her region didn't appreciate the seriousness of the problem, and hadn't mobilised their troops. She took it upon herself to form one of the first anti-Tsarist regiments.

Her unit began with approximately 280 infantry, 60 cavalry, and several hundred untrained peasants. All were volunteers, who had therefore willingly accepted her leadership. As a noblewoman, she already had leader status and anyone who didn't appreciate that would not have elected to be among them. Of course, even nobility must cement their rule beyond simply paying wages, and she did it by being a total BAMF and killing enemy soldiers. In the face. She was 22 years old.

As her band became more successful, she realised they were hitting their limit by not being a sufficiently numerous force to attack fortified settlements, so she joined forces with another independent unit led by a male commanding officer, Karol Zaluski. His gender didn't give him any instant authority over her, and she continued to command her fighters. Soon, a general entered the area and claimed ultimate command of all troops on behalf of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Only then was her position superseded, but crucially so was Zaluski's. Most importantly, when the newly presiding general ordered all troops to move into Prussia and become absorbed into their fighting force, she refused and broke away again to attack the enemy directly.

Now, if I was playing that story in a 21st century video game and they made a big deal about her gender, I would be wanting to kick the screen in. This is the 21st century's primitive idea of a "complex narrative", unfortunately, and it results in the really interesting story taking a backseat to some junior-school-level Gender Studies concept, no matter if the setting is historical, futuristic or purely one of fantasy. It's as if women are supposed to say thanks for this brand of ham-fisted highlighting of sexism - "I know that feel, sis" - which isn't actually positive at all, and really serves to tell women that "every time one of you makes it, it's by pure luck against impossible odds, and only ever with the help of enlightened men". And that's not the story of a woman like Emilia Plater. Her story is positive because she wanted power, deserved it and grabbed it.

D.I.D.
03-30-2012, 11:54 AM
Yeah, so if a female assassin just strolls into an enemy camp, the gaurds don't even raise an eyebrow? WW2 would have been a decent setting for a female assassin, it may be a very modern setting, but at a time when most young men were drafted into the military, the women were used as factory workers, building tanks and planes ect. It would be a logical time period for a female assassin.

True, and that could work. It very much depends on which country we're talking about in WWII, as to what a woman's potential roles could be.

Here's Nancy Wake's obituary: a fascinating person http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/08/nancy-wake-obituary . Note her disappointment with representations of herself in popular media...


Her autobiography was published in 1985 and inspired a television drama in the late 80s. One scene provoked a typically scornful response. "For goodness sake, did the allies parachute me into France to fry eggs and bacon for the men?" she asked. "There wasn't an egg to be had for love nor money, and even if there had been why would I be frying it when I had men to do that sort of thing?"

Unfortunately it's been removed from YouTube so I can't link it, but if you ever get a chance to watch a BBC documentary called "Spitfire Women", do it.

DavisP92
03-30-2012, 12:11 PM
all i know is i prefer to play as my gender, i enjoy being immersed in a game especially when the npcs actually interact with the character. and playing as my gender makes it more enjoyable in that way. I can understand women wanting to play as their gender as well which then would mean that the devs would either sacrifice one group for the other. Which is never really a good thing. The only way i can see them fixing this is if there is a coop story and in which you could choose to be a male or female assassin other then that. One group will always be disappointing. life for instance, why was this thread created, Ubisoft choose a male character let them do what they want without any criticism based on what gender they chose the main character to be. yes the American Revolution was a "man's world" this doesn't mean females didn't have a role. Like they say, behind every good man is a good woman. but that still doesn't change the fact that during those times, males were given more rights then females.

sooner or later there will be a female main assassin, so can we just enjoy the games without ppl jumping to the conclusion that oh because they didn't do this then it's sexist or whatever.

Jamison_J_B
03-30-2012, 01:07 PM
Comeon guys, a woman as an assassin? this is some kind of joke right? a woman belongs in a confined area also known as... the kitchen!

I hope you​ are joking...

LightRey
03-30-2012, 01:46 PM
I hope you​ are joking...
Of course he is. The "women belong in the kitchen" joke is age-old and especially nowadays used primarily satirically.

Razrback16
03-30-2012, 04:19 PM
No offense to women, but I hope we do not play as a female lead character in this series.

albertwesker22
03-30-2012, 06:13 PM
No offense to women, but I hope we do not play as a female lead character in this series.

Well why would they take offence to that? :confused:

RebeccaLH
03-31-2012, 12:54 AM
It's not sexist, it was just a patriarchal society.
And obviously as games are aimed more at men than women, its also a more obvious choice to choose a male protagonist.
It annoys me how everyone goes on about this and that being sexist, its just the way the storys going to be told, male or female, blah blah blah.

LightRey
03-31-2012, 01:21 AM
It's not sexist, it was just a patriarchal society.
And obviously as games are aimed more at men than women, its also a more obvious choice to choose a male protagonist.
It annoys me how everyone goes on about this and that being sexist, its just the way the storys going to be told, male or female, blah blah blah.
Yeah, it's more of a realistic approach. It's just historically more accurate and companies will want to please their target audience, which consists mostly of males.

infamous_ezio
03-31-2012, 04:07 AM
Of course he is. The "women belong in the kitchen" joke is age-old and especially nowadays used primarily satirically.

... i'm not joking, a woman as an assassin would make for a terrible game.

SixKeys
03-31-2012, 05:10 AM
Troll moar.

pirate1802
03-31-2012, 06:11 AM
... i'm not joking, a woman as an assassin would make for a terrible game.

Shao Jun looked allright to me..

Jamison_J_B
03-31-2012, 06:14 AM
Shao Jun looked allright to me..

She would be alot of fun to play as imo mid 16th century china. They could do that once Desmond's story is done.

albertwesker22
03-31-2012, 09:44 AM
... i'm not joking, a woman as an assassin would make for a terrible game.

You're right, how would she work the hidden blade? I mean, it's not a washing machine :confused:

Seriously, that's a bit narrow minded.

LightRey
03-31-2012, 11:31 AM
... i'm not joking, a woman as an assassin would make for a terrible game.
Then you should leave.

LordWolv
03-31-2012, 11:35 AM
No female lead in Assassin's Creed III because American Revolution was "a man's world"
Exactly.

infamous_ezio
03-31-2012, 12:09 PM
Then you should leave.

who are you to tell me that i should leave these forums? your not in that position to be telling anyone that buddy. these forums are open for opinions, yeh i expressed mine in a very shallow way (was just having a joke), but its true. A female in assassin's creed wouldn't be very good i don't care what any one says. Our history have seen mostly men dominating, and this makes for alot more interesting stories to tell.. but that's what i think, i wouldn't buy an AC game based around a female.

their's a reason why they call it "man-kind'... hehehehe

freddie_1897
03-31-2012, 12:16 PM
who are you to tell me that i should leave these forums? your not in that position to be telling anyone that buddy. these forums are open for opinions, yeh i expressed mine in a very shallow way (was just having a joke), but its true. A female in assassin's creed wouldn't be very good i don't care what any one says. Our history have seen mostly men dominating, and this makes for alot more interesting stories to tell.. but that's what i think, i wouldn't buy an AC game based around a female.

their's a reason why they call it "man-kind'... hehehehe
i agree sort of with what your saying, but even if you are making a joke your coming across a bit sexist

infamous_ezio
03-31-2012, 12:18 PM
i agree sort of with what your saying, but even if you are making a joke your coming across a bit sexist

Yeah i know man, i admit it is sexist, but the jokes are hilarious. But in all seriousness i don't think a AC game with a female protagonist would be good.

LightRey
03-31-2012, 01:25 PM
who are you to tell me that i should leave these forums? your not in that position to be telling anyone that buddy. these forums are open for opinions, yeh i expressed mine in a very shallow way (was just having a joke), but its true. A female in assassin's creed wouldn't be very good i don't care what any one says. Our history have seen mostly men dominating, and this makes for alot more interesting stories to tell.. but that's what i think, i wouldn't buy an AC game based around a female.

their's a reason why they call it "man-kind'... hehehehe
Not the forums, the discussion. This is no place for sexism.

infamous_ezio
03-31-2012, 01:55 PM
Not the forums, the discussion. This is no place for sexism.

the discussion is about sexism...

LightRey
03-31-2012, 02:01 PM
the discussion is about sexism...
There is a difference between discussing sexism and expressing sexism.

UrDeviant1
03-31-2012, 02:04 PM
Behind every strong man Is a strong woman, sweeping the floor as he goes.

cwutididthere? ;)

Just a joke. I'm all for playing as a Female Assassin, as long as It's done right. And Shao Jun looked cool as ****

infamous_ezio
03-31-2012, 02:07 PM
There is a difference between discussing sexism and expressing sexism.

the sexism jokes weren't necessary, but they are hilarious. Stop trying your best to start an argument with everyone, some might find it annoying.

LightRey
03-31-2012, 02:13 PM
the sexism jokes weren't necessary, but they are hilarious. Stop trying your best to start an argument with everyone, some might find it annoying.
I'm referring to one specific one, that was serious in part. I think I also needn't remind you that right now you are the one starting an argument.

infamous_ezio
03-31-2012, 02:27 PM
whatever man.

back to discussion, shau jon did look cool, but i just couldn't play it as a female, dunno why just me!

AlphaAltair
03-31-2012, 02:28 PM
I'm referring to one specific one, that was serious in part. I think I also needn't remind you that right now you are the one starting an argument.
:rolleyes: Wow. Just wow! Pot calling the kettle black!:D

LightRey
03-31-2012, 02:30 PM
:rolleyes: Wow. Just wow! Pot calling the kettle black!:D
I do not deny that I'm a hypocrite. In fact I like to think I am one.

AlphaAltair
03-31-2012, 02:32 PM
I do not deny that I'm a hypocrite. In fact I like to think I am one.
Why though?? It just wastes time & space.

infamous_ezio
03-31-2012, 02:33 PM
I do not deny that I'm a hypocrite. In fact I like to think I am one.

and their we have it!

DavisP92
03-31-2012, 02:35 PM
whatever man.

back to discussion, shau jon did look cool, but i just couldn't play it as a female, dunno why just me!

maybe you just prefer to play as your own gender. If i had a choice i wouldn't play as a female assassin. But if i don't and the gameplay is good, i wouldn't mind. I just like playing as my gender

infamous_ezio
03-31-2012, 02:40 PM
maybe you just prefer to play as your own gender. If i had a choice i wouldn't play as a female assassin. But if i don't and the gameplay is good, i wouldn't mind. I just like playing as my gender

i get what you mean, but because the games are based in real events, it's hard to make a female the protagonist considering it's usually men who dominate and have been in history, but they could make it good i suppose.

LightRey
03-31-2012, 02:40 PM
Why though?? It just wastes time & space.
I disagree. If a discussion remains civil (i.e. no swearing or personal attacks), it generally leads to understanding and mutual respect. Sometimes if things are not dragged out a little, people tend to get the wrong idea.

infamous_ezio
03-31-2012, 02:47 PM
I disagree. If a discussion remains civil (i.e. no swearing or personal attacks), it generally leads to understanding and mutual respect. Sometimes if things are not dragged out a little, people tend to get the wrong idea.

Going back on your word not only shows how spineless you are, but also shows your lack of knowledge on a subject. It leads to one winning and one looking like a fool.

DavisP92
03-31-2012, 02:58 PM
i get what you mean, but because the games are based in real events, it's hard to make a female the protagonist considering it's usually men who dominate and have been in history, but they could make it good i suppose.

oh i wasn't referring that if AC3 had a female assassin. I wouldn't see that happening for this game based on the setting. But if they were to go somewhere else like if we played as shao jun (not sure if i spelled it right) or something. But honestly, i'd prefer to play as my gender in all AC games.

infamous_ezio
03-31-2012, 03:00 PM
I was speaking in general, it would be tough, but i suppose shao jun did look kind of cool aha :). yeah i get what you mean!

LightRey
03-31-2012, 03:00 PM
Going back on your word not only shows how spineless you are, but also shows your lack of knowledge on a subject. It leads to one winning and one looking like a fool.
Who's going back on their word?

infamous_ezio
03-31-2012, 03:05 PM
Who's going back on their word?

sums up what you said, if one is a hypocrit, then how could agreement come into place? one would have to realise they are in the wrong... i was speaking about a hypocrit in general, but what you said before sums up my last post.

anyways man, your to keen for an argument, stop now. Don't want to ruin this guys thread with your nonsense..

LightRey
03-31-2012, 03:27 PM
sums up what you said, if one is a hypocrit, then how could agreement come into place? one would have to realise they are in the wrong... i was speaking about a hypocrit in general, but what you said before sums up my last post.

anyways man, your to keen for an argument, stop now. Don't want to ruin this guys thread with your nonsense..
What you shouldn't read if you don't care about this off-topic discussion
On-topic

A hypocrite doesn't necessarily have to go back on his word. He just has to do the very thing he's arguing others shouldn't be doing. That really shouldn't make their point less convincing though. For example: a smoker arguing that smoking is bad for your health should be considered more than convincing, as he has a first-hand experience in the matter. Hypocrisy isn't something that should (necessarily) make someone's points less convincing. It's just a form of irony and it is one that should be acknowledged in a discussion. Btw, I would also like to point out that what I said earlier was mostly to point out that you are a hypocrite (for arguing about my arguing). Later I simply admitted that so was I (not that I ever denied it).

However, in the end what should decide the outcome of a discussion is fact and logic, not opinion and emotion. It's also not about convincing each other, it's about sharing perspectives. By arguing points you show the other(s) your motivation and reasoning. It could be that throughout it all some people change their own perspectives, but that is beside the point of a discussion. Discussions are for clarification.

Additionally I would like to point out that you have been nothing but hostile and have walked the fine line between discussion and argument. I think I needn't remind you of the rules regarding insults an harassing other members. Though when I argue I often seem direct or provocative, I really do try not to cross that line at all. I have discussion so that people can have their say before it leads to a misunderstanding, not after. The discussions I have can be "vivid", but they never target or judge specific members. At worst they involve the fact that someone broke the rules, but more often that's more something to point out than to discuss, as the rules are pretty much absolute.

Anyways, to actually get on topic instead of just saying we should: as I said before this situation is pretty simple. There is no good reason to suspect Alex of being sexist. Aside from the lack of context to actually properly define this aspect, there is truth in what he says. This is war we're talking about. Even nowadays the vast majority of any military force is male and during those times women really generally did not get the kind of respect or opportunities needed to effectively perform the role of an Assassin in those days. I'm not saying it'd be impossible, but it'd be unnecessarily complicated. As was also mentioned before, there is the business side of things. The fact of the matter is that the target audience of Assassin's Creed, or even video games in general, consists predominantly of male individuals, who are more likely to be able to identify with a male main character than a female one. In part this decision was likely made just to please the majority of the target audience.

Krayus Korianis
03-31-2012, 03:32 PM
Meh... Man, woman... They're all the same in a video game. FAKE. Stop crying and start playing games for the pure fact that they're games not something to criticize a company's ability to not give you want you want. Look at the Fable franchise, they make GRAND promises... BUT never deliver on most if not all promises.

DavisP92
03-31-2012, 04:11 PM
Meh... Man, woman... They're all the same in a video game. FAKE. Stop crying and start playing games for the pure fact that they're games not something to criticize a company's ability to not give you want you want. Look at the Fable franchise, they make GRAND promises... BUT never deliver on most if not all promises.

haha this. seriously, the fact that people are still having an argument about this is getting pretty lame. please take it to pm if you wish to continue

AlphaAltair
03-31-2012, 04:30 PM
So in summary, no woman, no cry?

infamous_ezio
03-31-2012, 05:07 PM
pretty much!

telcontar7
03-31-2012, 05:25 PM
Even nowadays the vast majority of any military force is male

That's irrelevant since not every assassin was a part of a military.


and during those times women really generally did not get the kind of respect or opportunities needed to effectively perform the role of an Assassin in those days.

As we can see from the games there were plenty of female assassins and they seem to perform their jobs quite well.


I'm not saying it'd be impossible, but it'd be unnecessarily complicated.
Not necessarily IMO.


As was also mentioned before, there is the business side of things. The fact of the matter is that the target audience of Assassin's Creed, or even video games in general, consists predominantly of male individuals, who are more likely to be able to identify with a male main character than a female one. In part this decision was likely made just to please the majority of the target audience.


There are a number of successful games with female protagonists. I don't think a female assassin would alienate people so much.

I'm completely ok with male leads we have right now, but I hope there will be a game with a female assassin in the future, at least to add some variety.

SixKeys
03-31-2012, 05:34 PM
About 40% of gamers these days are female. The gaming industry can keep claiming all they want that the target audience is mostly male but I think in the future the percentage of female gamers will only keep on rising. They will need to start addressing the problem of gender inequality at some point. One of the reasons games are still mostly male-oriented is exactly because 98% of the protagonists are always male. If the protagonist is female, the game for some reason feels the need to draw attention to this fact instead of just getting on with the story. Maybe if more games had a good, strong female lead, games would start to move more and more out of male-dominated territory and more towards equality and better characterization. I'm sure none of us want Ubi to make an AC game where the female lead would be some big-breasted bimbo but an interesting character in her own right like Ezio. If they can come up with a good story that doesn't feel anachronistic to the time period, why would anyone be opposed to having an interesting main character regardless of their gender?

LightRey
03-31-2012, 05:34 PM
That's irrelevant since not every assassin was a part of a military.



As we can see from the games there were plenty of female assassins and they seem to perform their jobs quite well.


Not necessarily IMO.



There are a number of successful games with female protagonists. I don't think a female assassin would alienate people so much.

I'm completely ok with male leads we have right now, but I hope there will be a game with a female assassin in the future, at least to add some variety.

It's not irrelevant as this is wartime and Connor will be fighting on battlefields, which means he needs to be able to blend in with the soldiers at least to an extent.

Again, referring to the context of the game. It'd have been much harder for a woman to get close to certain targets, because her presence would be more notable and less likely to be tolerated.

Yes, it would. The treatment of women during those days was much different from now. Women weren't (considered) independent. They generally couldn't have jobs and they pretty much "belonged" to their husbands or fathers. A woman walking around (and not buying anything at the market or the like) without a man to escort her would be considered very suspicious. Let alone if she was getting close to important political figures on either side of the ongoing conflict.

I'm not saying the franchise wouldn't be successful, I'm saying this would just be a factor. It doesn't matter if it wouldn't be so much, there only needs to be the slightest significance. In the end Ubisoft is a company and companies are out to make a profit, so every penny counts. If a male protagonist increases the amount of money they make with 0.1%, they will consider it.


About 40% of gamers these days are female. The gaming industry can keep claiming all they want that the target audience is mostly male but I think in the future the percentage of female gamers will only keep on rising. They will need to start addressing the problem of gender inequality at some point. One of the reasons games are still mostly male-oriented is exactly because 98% of the protagonists are always male. If the protagonist is female, the game for some reason feels the need to draw attention to this fact instead of just getting on with the story. Maybe if more games had a good, strong female lead, games would start to move more and more out of male-dominated territory and more towards equality and better characterization. I'm sure none of us want Ubi to make an AC game where the female lead would be some big-breasted bimbo but an interesting character in her own right like Ezio. If they can come up with a good story that doesn't feel anachronistic to the time period, why would anyone be opposed to having an interesting main character regardless of their gender?
May I ask where you got those numbers?

UrDeviant1
03-31-2012, 05:37 PM
http://imagehost.online-image-editor.com/images/3118349NG3OxRcm/311832413M8oUXvs.jpg

SixKeys
03-31-2012, 05:40 PM
May I ask where you got those numbers?

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/08/esa-2011-essential-facts-note-rise-in-women-adult-gamers/

LightRey
03-31-2012, 05:41 PM
http://imagehost.online-image-editor.com/images/3118349NG3OxRcm/311832413M8oUXvs.jpg
They're in there. They're just not main protagonists.


http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/08/esa-2011-essential-facts-note-rise-in-women-adult-gamers/
Interesting. Those numbers do sound believable. I would like to point out though that their definition of "gamer" could be very broad and they're still a minority. I can easily imagine that the numbers regarding violent games such as the AC games will not be the same.

telcontar7
03-31-2012, 05:42 PM
^ The clothes the assassins wear blurs the difference between men and women.

Also, most of the time assassins lurk, hide, jump around on rooftops, etc. The gender difference would be irrelevant in this case.

UrDeviant1
03-31-2012, 05:42 PM
They're in there. They're just not main protagonists.

Awww snap. You get what I mean.

LightRey
03-31-2012, 05:45 PM
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/08/esa-2011-essential-facts-note-rise-in-women-adult-gamers/
Wait a sec...
29% of gamers is over 50 years old? I find that extremely hard to believe. You sure this is a valid source?

UrDeviant1
03-31-2012, 05:49 PM
So, 29% of gamers are aged 50+

But only 18% are under 18?

*finds that hard to believe.

LightRey
03-31-2012, 05:52 PM
So, 29% of gamers are aged 50+

But only 18% are under 18?

*finds that hard to believe.
*does that very much so himself*
I have lost all faith I originally displayed in this survey and I would like to proceed by asking how it was executed, what size the sample was and where it was taken from.

SixKeys
03-31-2012, 06:01 PM
Wait a sec...
29% of gamers is over 50 years old? I find that extremely hard to believe. You sure this is a valid source?

The PDF for the research is right there on the page. You're free to peruse it at your leisure and draw your own conclusions as to its validity.

The term "gamer" is of course very broad. They have Wii consoles even in old folks' homes these days. That doesn't invalidate the numbers themselves. Just because players who mostly prefer violent games doesn't mean that should be the only definition of the word "gamer". Remember that most people now in their thirties started out with Pac-Man, Super Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog in their youths because those were the biggest and most respected brands out there. Those thirty-somethings are now the industry leaders who mostly create shooters, but they were the "hardcore gamers" of their time even though they may have started out on games we now see as much more innocent and childish. The term "hardcore gamer" doesn't have to be a fixed term that only means you play one type of game, in fact playing different genres should only further validate your professional opinion about games as an art form. There are gamers who only care about CoD and Halo-type shooters, there are gamers who like Japanese RPGs, gamers who like survival horror or small, artistic indie games like Limbo or Journey. They all fall under the umbrella term "gamer". In that sense it's harmful to start separating based on gender alone, i.e. "sure, girls can play games but they only do Wii Sports or Kingdom Hearts". The numbers state that women make up 42% per cent of all gamers. To assume more about their preferences simply based on their gender without looking deeper would be a mistake. Instead, it's best to look at the numbers and consider that roughly less than half of all people who play games these days are female, and a large number of gamers are well into their thirties or fourties. What does that say about the need to cater to a wider market than the stereotypical 14-year-old boy living in his parents' basement?

UrDeviant1
03-31-2012, 06:09 PM
According to another study conducted by the Entertainment Software Association in 2010, 40% of the game playing population is female, and women 18 or older now comprise 33% of all gamers.
Also, the percentage of women now playing online has risen to 42%, up several percent since 2004. The same study shows that 46% of game purchasers are female (Entertainment Software Association).[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_video_games#cite_note-20) In recognition of the importance of the issues of women and girls as game developers and players, the International Game Developers Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Game_Developers_Association), an association of companies and individuals in the games industry, has formed a special interest group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_interest_group) on Women in Game Development.[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_video_games#cite_note-21) This is an active field of discussion and a topic in many conferences in the video gaming industry.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_video_games#cite_note-GDC2003-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_video_games#cite_note-GDC2005-1)

This Is from wikipidia. As you can see, the number of Females playing games Is quite large. I don't know how these studies were conducted, so I don't know how serious to take them.

LightRey
03-31-2012, 06:12 PM
The PDF for the research is right there on the page. You're free to peruse it at your leisure and draw your own conclusions as to its validity.

The term "gamer" is of course very broad. They have Wii consoles even in old folks' homes these days. That doesn't invalidate the numbers themselves. Just because players who mostly prefer violent games doesn't mean that should be the only definition of the word "gamer". Remember that most people now in their thirties started out with Pac-Man, Super Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog in their youths because those were the biggest and most respected brands out there. Those thirty-somethings are now the industry leaders who mostly create shooters, but they were the "hardcore gamers" of their time even though they may have started out on games we now see as much more innocent and childish. The term "hardcore gamer" doesn't have to be a fixed term that only means you play one type of game, in fact playing different genres should only further validate your professional opinion about games as an art form. There are gamers who only care about CoD and Halo-type shooters, there are gamers who like Japanese RPGs, gamers who like survival horror or small, artistic indie games like Limbo or Journey. They all fall under the umbrella term "gamer". In that sense it's harmful to start separating based on gender alone, i.e. "sure, girls can play games but they only do Wii Sports or Kingdom Hearts". The numbers state that women make up 42% per cent of all gamers. To assume more about their preferences simply based on their gender without looking deeper would be a mistake. Instead, it's best to look at the numbers and consider that roughly less than half of all people who play games these days are female, and a large number of gamers are well into their thirties or fourties. What does that say about the need to cater to a wider market than the stereotypical 14-year-old boy living in his parents' basement?

I'm sorry but this PDF doesn't really help me much further. It doesn't cite any methodology or source material. It only gives other similar examples and eventually refers to, well, itself or rather it's makers. Not to put you down, but assuming these numbers come from actual serious surveys, they have defined these terms very loosely. Now I could go into a debate on what kind of person should be considered a gamer, but instead I think it is a much better idea to skip all that and just immediately jump to saying such a thing is irrelevant to the discussion.

The fact of the matter is that what is relevant is the (target) audience for the Assassin's Creed series. Now I am quite convinced that these numbers could not be applied to Assassin's Creed, wouldn't you agree? I have a very hard time believing that over 40% of AC players is female and that 29% of AC players is over 50 years old. Now, I know that this forum is most likely biased in some way, but if we were to take it as a sample a more appropriate estimate for the amount of female AC players would be closer to 10%, probably lower. Now, again, I know this place is probably a biased sample, but this still is a very significant difference we're talking about. I would have quite a hard time believing that such a huge difference could have been generated by the potential bias of an official Ubisoft forum.

I really have to conclude these numbers you presented are sadly almost completely irrelevant.

SolidSage
03-31-2012, 06:27 PM
Comeon guys, a woman as an assassin? this is some kind of joke right? a woman belongs in a confined area also known as... the kitchen!

One word "Boudicca". Perfect historical figure for inspiration for a female lead in Creed.
I have no problem with another Dude, it's good for me but the talk of women not being realistically plausible as this type of protagonist is just plain Bullshiz. Like some wife in the Revolution couldn't go all bat shiz crazy after her family got slaughtered just the same as a dude.

I don't care, men are probably the bigger percentage of purchasers of Creed, fair enough, market it to the majority, makes sense but we don't need any lame and false excuses about why. Like an Assassin that dives hundreds of feet off of rooftops into haybales is realistic in any way at all either. The game is full of fantasy liberties, citing 'factual history' as a reason for bypassing another fantasy option doesn't jive with me.

We're not kids, we can handle the truth.

ProletariatPleb
03-31-2012, 07:46 PM
What's with this "female" character thing these days?
Been seeing it on the forums for a while...they even started 'favouring' the 'FemShep' in Mass Effect.

Personally my first choice would be a male assassin. Female assassin? ehh...just doesn't 'suit' IMO, just like FemShep didn't suit Mass Effect.

Assassin_M
03-31-2012, 07:50 PM
I wouldnt mind a Female Assassin..
On the condition of her being extremely Bad-***
Something along the lines of Shao-Jun..

SixKeys
03-31-2012, 07:59 PM
What's with this "female" character thing these days?
Been seeing it on the forums for a while...they even started 'favouring' the 'FemShep' in Mass Effect.

Personally my first choice would be a male assassin. Female assassin? ehh...just doesn't 'suit' IMO, just like FemShep didn't suit Mass Effect.

How did FemShep not fit Mass Effect? Everything in the game was specifically tailored so that it could easily be said or done by a male or female. It's not like they just made the game with a male character and then replaced it with a different skin for those who preferred to play with a female. They actually changed the ways other characters interacted with you or referred to you based on your gender.

As for AC, I know the devs would be open to the idea of a female assassin as long as they can come up with a good story. Nothing about the core gameplay would have to change just because of the gender of the main character, she'll still be doing impossible swan dives from hundreds of feet into a haybale, she'll still be stabbing people in brutal ways, she'll still be doing acrobatic climbing in a historical setting. The devs have always been careful to do lots of historical research to make sure nothing feels too out of place, I'm sure they could do that with a female character as well. Considering how often the topic has popped up in interviews in recent years, I think it's just a matter of time until we see a female protagonist. If that means some players will drop the series altogether because they cannot sympathize with a character who happens to have two extra meatsacks attached to her chest, it's their loss.

xOMGITSJASONx
03-31-2012, 08:43 PM
That is obvious. If Ubi ever makes a AC that takes place in 2012 or beyond the lead should be a female...and yes I'm a man asking for it! I think the idea would be novel as well fresh for the series.

Eziolala
04-01-2012, 12:07 AM
As long as the story is good and the character is interesting, I couldn't care less about their gender.

Jexx21
04-01-2012, 02:04 AM
What's with this "female" character thing these days?
Been seeing it on the forums for a while...they even started 'favouring' the 'FemShep' in Mass Effect.

Personally my first choice would be a male assassin. Female assassin? ehh...just doesn't 'suit' IMO, just like FemShep didn't suit Mass Effect.

What are you talking about? FemShep totally suited Mass Effect! In fact, I consider FemShep to be better suited to the series than MaleShep.

I'd embrace a female protagonist in Assassin's Creed games if she's voiced well and has a great character.

Maybe for 'Templar's Understanding'? :P

pirate1802
04-01-2012, 01:01 PM
What's with this "female" character thing these days?
Been seeing it on the forums for a while...they even started 'favouring' the 'FemShep' in Mass Effect.

Personally my first choice would be a male assassin. Female assassin? ehh...just doesn't 'suit' IMO, just like FemShep didn't suit Mass Effect.

That is only because you see Male Shep's face everywhere in the promotional material. After so much pandering to the male Shep, I'd say FemShep deserves abit of favouring. Nothing in the actual game makes you feel it is made for Male or Female specifically, its made for both. I played as both male and female and I don't think any one gender "suits" the game more than the other. As for AC, if they give her a good personality and story (and voice actor) why not?

deadly_thought
04-01-2012, 01:06 PM
i played through as both male and female for ME3 the storyline actually feels deeper with the femshep than the male especially the parts involving the small child combat doesnt change at all so i really didnt see much difference other than that

for AC i really dont see it sticking for some reason no idea why

ProletariatPleb
04-01-2012, 01:32 PM
How did FemShep not fit Mass Effect? Everything in the game was specifically tailored so that it could easily be said or done by a male or female. It's not like they just made the game with a male character and then replaced it with a different skin for those who preferred to play with a female. They actually changed the ways other characters interacted with you or referred to you based on your gender.

As for AC, I know the devs would be open to the idea of a female assassin as long as they can come up with a good story. Nothing about the core gameplay would have to change just because of the gender of the main character, she'll still be doing impossible swan dives from hundreds of feet into a haybale, she'll still be stabbing people in brutal ways, she'll still be doing acrobatic climbing in a historical setting. The devs have always been careful to do lots of historical research to make sure nothing feels too out of place, I'm sure they could do that with a female character as well. Considering how often the topic has popped up in interviews in recent years, I think it's just a matter of time until we see a female protagonist. If that means some players will drop the series altogether because they cannot sympathize with a character who happens to have two extra meatsacks attached to her chest, it's their loss.

Honestly? I just didn't like Tomb Raider during childhood, and that's where my impression is based on.

Kit572
04-01-2012, 01:39 PM
I don't really care about the gender of a protagonist in a video-game, I think a female assassin will be a nice change of pace...
besides, not everyday we get a female protagonist in a video-game now is it?

pirate1802
04-01-2012, 01:46 PM
Honestly? I just didn't like Tomb Raider during childhood, and that's where my impression is based on.

Speaking of which, when is the new Tomb Raider coming out?

Kit572
04-01-2012, 01:47 PM
Speaking of which, when is the new Tomb Raider coming out?

Summer 2012

pirate1802
04-01-2012, 01:51 PM
Summer 2012

Awesome.

Dann494
04-02-2012, 01:42 PM
Oh well, let's hope that when Desmond's journey is done (AC3 is the last with Desmond as the "present" time lead), we'll get some female ancestor leads, maybe even a "present" time female lead.

Syler99
08-09-2013, 04:36 AM
Well wasn't it truly a man's world? What did women do in battles? They weren't even in battles right? I've never seen even a drawing of a woman fighting in the American war for Independence, so it only makes sense to play as a man.

Here are a few women who fought in the Civil and Revolutionary wars one picture in the first link of her in her uniform
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-04-29/local/38892753_1_women-soldiers-antietam-deborah-sampson

And here's a second article describing a bit about the hardships of crossdressing in the war one particular case is very interesting a crossdressing female pretending to be a male was a prison guard guarding women who were imprisoned for doing exactly what she was doing except they had been soldiers
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/The-Women-Who-Fought-in-the-Civil-War.html