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frogger504
03-21-2012, 10:57 AM
Let's use this thread to try to find anything hidden in AC3 media (pictures, trailers, etc.).

The one thing that I found a bit peculiar but which may be nothing is that in the Reveal Trailer there was a small animus-y effect over some random hat.

(At precisely 15-17 seconds)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVUMPrv8oRw


Another thing that caught my eye was Washington's Necklace/Pendant.

http://i41.tinypic.com/33n8g81.png

Look familiar?

Moultonborough
03-21-2012, 11:31 AM
Never noticed that before. Good catch I don't think it means anything though.

frogger504
03-21-2012, 11:45 AM
Here's a quick crappy render of it. I'm bored so I'll make a High Res version now.

http://i43.tinypic.com/s26620.png
http://i41.tinypic.com/33n8g81.png

I just noticed there's some type of design at the base of the pendant design.

WOAH!

Look at what I found while searching for Cross Triangle...

http://www.goldendawnpedia.com/Images/Pictures/CrossTriangle.gif

frogger504
03-21-2012, 11:53 AM
Cross and Triangle
The central emblem to the Golden Dawn, the red cross represents the the unfolding of light, and the white triangle triune light (which seems to fit well with the Christian Doctine of the Holy Trinity). Together they represent life and light, the dawning sun, the Golden Dawn.

http://www.goldendawnpedia.com/Images/Pictures/CrossTriangle.gif

LightRey
03-21-2012, 12:28 PM
Would this thread also cover stuff like the hidden messages in binary code?

frogger504
03-21-2012, 12:30 PM
Would this thread also cover stuff like the hidden messages in binary code?

Yes. Also, we may want to look more into thisGolden Dawn thing. When I searched for it, after a few image searches of Golden Dawn Necklace I saw a thumbnail of the AC2 Reveal Picture that went along with those Conspiracy teasers.

Here's my crappy go at an HD version in MS Paint

http://i43.tinypic.com/vaqs7.png

zerocooll21
03-21-2012, 12:54 PM
http://www.goldendawnpedia.com/Images/Pictures/CrossTriangle.gif

Is that a cross I see darkening the Horizon :p

frogger504
03-21-2012, 02:35 PM
Is that a cross I see darkening the Horizon :p
I spell conspiracy!

LightRey
03-21-2012, 02:47 PM
I spell conspiracy!
Don't you mean "I smell a conspiracy"?

SixKeys
03-21-2012, 02:50 PM
Sorry for the off-topicness but could you please change your signature to something smaller, frogger504? It's really annoying to scroll past such a huge image all the time.

zerocooll21
03-21-2012, 02:51 PM
Don't you mean "I smell a conspiracy"?

Technically he was right, he did spell it :p

LightRey
03-21-2012, 03:02 PM
Technically he was right, he did spell it :p
That he did.

frogger504
03-21-2012, 03:04 PM
Technically he was right, he did spell it :p

xD!

oliacr
03-21-2012, 09:47 PM
Look at the wolves, they will eat those died redcoats :D

freddie_1897
03-21-2012, 11:15 PM
theres something i'd like to know, at the end of ACB, just before time is frozen and Desmond kills lucy, Shaun says 'now those two come together in only only one place' before being cut off (i can remember the names of the symbols) does anyone know where they come together?

what was froggers old signature? he changed it before i could see it and I've seen a lot of complaints about it

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 12:06 AM
Is it just me, or does the symbol beneath the cross look remind you of the codex?

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100529014552/assassinscreed/images/3/37/Zw-codex-10.png

Calvarok
03-22-2012, 12:07 AM
theres something i'd like to know, at the end of ACB, just before time is frozen and Desmond kills lucy, Shaun says 'now those two come together in only only one place' before being cut off (i can remember the names of the symbols) does anyone know where they come together?

what was froggers old signature? he changed it before i could see it and I've seen a lot of complaints about it
The place that the Phyrgian Cap and the Eye of Providence come together is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citize n

LightRey
03-22-2012, 12:26 AM
The place that the Phyrgian Cap and the Eye of Providence come together is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citize n
Well that and US currency.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-22-2012, 02:38 AM
Well that and US currency.

WRONG american currency does not have the phrygian cap(only the masonic eye), sorry buddy you are wrong both the phrygian cap and masonic eye only show up in the declaration of the rights of man and of the citizen, so get your facts straight about american currency.

Vex_Assassin
03-22-2012, 02:43 AM
WRONG american currency does not have the phrygian cap(only the masonic eye), sorry buddy you are wrong both the phrygian cap and masonic eye only show up in the declaration of the rights of man and of the citizen, so get your facts straight about american currency.
Why so rude?

Acrimonious_Nin
03-22-2012, 02:50 AM
I did not name call ? I am rude just because you think so? why am I rude ? its a point... >_> draw a line on the ground lol XD

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 02:59 AM
Why so rude?

He's being exceptionally groutchy today. Also, he wants to be right about something.

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/660893-Can-someone-help-me-crack-this-code-in-The-Lost-Archive?p=8196558#post8196558

LightRey
03-22-2012, 03:10 AM
WRONG american currency does not have the phrygian cap(only the masonic eye), sorry buddy you are wrong both the phrygian cap and masonic eye only show up in the declaration of the rights of man and of the citizen, so get your facts straight about american currency.
*cough*
http://webpagepictures.coinauctionshelp.com/50cents/1877 50C Half Dollar, Judd-1539, Pollock-1708, R.8.jpg
*cough*

Acrimonious_Nin
03-22-2012, 03:12 AM
You are probably the worst member here. If its not making stuff up on other threads to make me look bad it's trying to spread it all over the place to prove to people that you are harassing me. Stop following me and Stop putting words in my mouth you got it? go troll on a halo forum you are an embarassment to the assassins creed forums board :) . Thank You

P.S it seems people here are just sensitive to certain responses so sorry for the people who assume that my posts are rude. I do not mean to imposs such tone on anyone.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-22-2012, 03:14 AM
*cough*
http://webpagepictures.coinauctionshelp.com/50cents/1877 50C Half Dollar, Judd-1539, Pollock-1708, R.8.jpg
*cough*

You should see a cyber doctor about that cough my brother. and once again *facepalm* look the guy said 'where do they BOTH appear at the same time' I do not see the masonic eye Lightrey lmao good try though.

P.S I give you credit for trying though lol ;D

they both show up in that declaration in the 18th century(in the same century that the game will take place) not 100 years after...so that would mislead people to think that they were to make a game that takes place in the 19th century.

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 03:20 AM
You are probably the worst member here. If its not making stuff up on other threads to make me look bad it's trying to spread it all over the place to prove to people that you are harassing me. Stop following me and Stop putting words in my mouth you got it? go troll on a halo forum you are an embarassment to the assassins creed forums board :) . Thank You

P.S it seems people here are just sensitive to certain responses so sorry for the people who assume that my posts are rude. I do not mean to imposs such tone on anyone.

http://rlv.zcache.com/sit_down_shut_up_postcard-p239945940542672049z85wg_400.jpg


BTW.... Double posts are agains the rules.

LightRey
03-22-2012, 03:30 AM
You should see a cyber doctor about that cough my brother. and once again *facepalm* look the guy said 'where do they BOTH appear at the same time' I do not see the masonic eye Lightrey lmao good try though.

P.S I give you credit for trying though lol ;D

they both show up in that declaration in the 18th century(in the same century that the game will take place) not 100 years after...so that would mislead people to think that they were to make a game that takes place in the 19th century.
Not time, place. Shaun literally says: "Now those two only come together in only one place.". US currency contains both the half dollar and the one dollar bill, which contain the Phrygian Cap and the Masonic Eye respectively. It is possible that Shaun was referring to a proverbial "place" instead of an actual one, thus that is a valid option.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-22-2012, 03:33 AM
Not time, place. Shaun literally says: "Now those two only come together in only one place.". US currency contains both the half dollar and the one dollar bill, which contain the Phrygian Cap and the Masonic Eye respectively. It is possible that Shaun was referring to a proverbial "place" instead of an actual one, thus that is a valid option.

It is a valid option I give you that :D

lmao so why does he say ''Now those two only come together in only one place''. Clearly we have 2 places france and your option about america.

so your option is actually destroyed when he makes it clear that they both show up TOGETHER in ONE PLACE. American currency does not have the cap and masonic eye in the same place....ever...

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 03:34 AM
Not time, place. Shaun literally says: "Now those two only come together in only one place.". US currency contains both the half dollar and the one dollar bill, which contain the Phrygian Cap and the Masonic Eye respectively. It is possible that Shaun was referring to a proverbial "place" instead of an actual one, thus that is a valid option.

I have a book I think you might enjoy, considering our recently aquired mutual friend.

http://www.amazon.com/Arguing-Idiots-Small-Minds-Government/dp/1416595015#reader_1416595015

Acrimonious_Nin
03-22-2012, 03:41 AM
I have a book I think you might enjoy, considering our recently aquired mutual friend.

http://www.amazon.com/Arguing-Idiots-Small-Minds-Government/dp/1416595015#reader_1416595015


lmao haha thats a funny one ;D now stop harassing me and all that rude stuff ok ? leave me alone..stop trolling I am offended by your barbarism on the forums and towards me. Halo forums are in a different URL ok my friend ;)

LightRey
03-22-2012, 03:42 AM
I have a book I think you might enjoy, considering our recently aquired mutual friend.

http://www.amazon.com/Arguing-Idiots-Small-Minds-Government/dp/1416595015#reader_1416595015
xD
I might actually buy that. *adds to favorites*

Acrimonious_Nin
03-22-2012, 03:48 AM
Yeah...>_> being rude, vex_assassin needs to get HIS facts straight lol. apparently these 2 are being visited by T.O.M and have a vendetta with someone who is just trying to add to a thread..sorry if the game isn't in the neverlands ;) they probably do not have American currency anyways.. so I understand where your ignorances come from :D so I forgive you lmao. XD still can not get that trophy HAHA

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 03:48 AM
HA! I love it. I found a book you'll acutally love. I personally haven't read it, but have heard it's good.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-22-2012, 03:50 AM
*Yawn* well if it make you better citizens then continue your trolling of the threads...oooo watch out people that troll are terrorizing random people and today it is me XD well have fun my lovely forum friends lol ;D

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 04:00 AM
Whoa! At this point, we've all but cut you out buddy. Now get back under your bridge.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-22-2012, 04:07 AM
cut me out ? is that a violence in you lovely voice XD I love you bro chill out XD

Peace not war my friend <3 lol ''go back under your bridge'' lmao XD your cute

frogger504
03-22-2012, 04:47 AM
Nin and Poodle are being quite irrational. Please get back on topic.

Also, I just bought that book xD

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 04:49 AM
What I meant was that you've been cut out of the conversation.

Frogger, is the book good?

frogger504
03-22-2012, 04:57 AM
What I meant was that you've been cut out of the conversation.

Frogger, is the book good?

I'll let you know within the week, I literally just bought it on Amazon. Might be of much use to me actually.

jmk1999
03-22-2012, 07:50 AM
@Poodle_of_Doom (http://forums.ubi.com/member.php/576905-Poodle_of_Doom)
Please, show respect toward other members. Don't make me warn you again. This is the second topic I've seen you provoking flame wars and insulting in.

GeneralTrumbo
03-22-2012, 08:03 AM
Oh my gosh...trolls all over the place. >.> I honestly don't think anyone is really attacking you, Nin...

freddie_1897
03-22-2012, 08:39 AM
@Poodle_of_Doom (http://forums.ubi.com/member.php/576905-Poodle_of_Doom)
Please, show respect toward other members. Don't make me warn you again. This is the second topic I've seen you provoking flame wars and insulting in.

I know that poodle has been provoking people but acrimonious is the one who's being an arsehole, maybe you should be warning him too ?

frogger504
03-22-2012, 10:29 AM
Or how about we all get on topic and just forget about it? Please and Grazie.

GeneralTrumbo
03-22-2012, 10:30 AM
Or how about we all get on topic and just forget about it? Please and Grazie.
That would be nice.

frogger504
03-22-2012, 10:34 AM
So... has anyone looked into the Cross and Pyramid that seems to be in Washington's pendant?

iNEEDSmeINSIDES
03-22-2012, 12:45 PM
I'd have to agree with Acrimonious because if we include American currency Shaun wouldn't have said 'the only place' as it would be infact two places.

in regards to the pendant, it seems to tie in with these Hermetic chaps again.
http://www.hermeticvirtues.org/Store/tabid/55/ProductID/54/Default.aspx

EDIT: Added this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn (the timing is out though).

LightRey
03-22-2012, 01:22 PM
I'd have to agree with Acrimonious because if we include American currency Shaun wouldn't have said 'the only place' as it would be infact two places.

in regards to the pendant, it seems to tie in with these Hermetic chaps again.
http://www.hermeticvirtues.org/Store/tabid/55/ProductID/54/Default.aspx

EDIT: Added this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn (the timing is out though).
But that would bring up a problem. The French Revolution is not part of the game.

frogger504
03-22-2012, 01:24 PM
But that would bring up a problem. The French Revolution is not part of the game.

Maybe it is, or rather, it'd be a setup of a sequel there?


I'd have to agree with Acrimonious because if we include American currency Shaun wouldn't have said 'the only place' as it would be infact two places.

in regards to the pendant, it seems to tie in with these Hermetic chaps again.
http://www.hermeticvirtues.org/Store/tabid/55/ProductID/54/Default.aspx

EDIT: Added this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn (the timing is out though).

Hmm... maybe the founding of it?
I did notice the connection to them, quite peculiar... They were in the Renaissance and now this shows up on Georgie. Maybe they were founded way before but kept secret until then. A third party maybe? Assassins were quiet and secret until the their becoming an open faction in the 12th century, the same could have happened with them, becoming open in the 19th century?

Of course, I am just making this up on the spot, have to check the history and timing but it is interesting.

LightRey
03-22-2012, 01:30 PM
Maybe it is, or rather, it'd be a setup of a sequel there?
I sincerely doubt it. ACIII is going to end Desmond's story, so I doubt we're going to find any direct sequels to this game and since the Grand Temple is in New York I'm pretty sure the significance of Connor's story will be revolving around that.

iNEEDSmeINSIDES
03-22-2012, 01:33 PM
Well we possibly have a number of options:

It was a deliberate red herring
It was a mistake to say 'the only place'
It ties into the game in a way which we do not yet understand
It was never meant as a definitive indication of where the story was heading, just highlighting two symbols of many from the vault (kinda 1.)


Thought it was familiar but it only just clicked that the founders of The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn were Woodman, Westcott and Mathers who were featured in the S03.S04 files from the Divine Science pack of Project Legacy that never was.

Have we ever confirmed how the Freemasons tie into the story?

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 03:52 PM
@Poodle_of_Doom (http://forums.ubi.com/member.php/576905-Poodle_of_Doom)
Please, show respect toward other members. Don't make me warn you again. This is the second topic I've seen you provoking flame wars and insulting in.

I even tried to hold conversations without him. Read the next few comments after you posted this, and you'll realize that other people even thought I wasn't trying to be confrontational, and that he wasn't completely innocent himself. Not that it matters. Personally, you can warn me all you want, but I believe I was warranted in what I said.

frogger504
03-22-2012, 04:04 PM
I sincerely doubt it. ACIII is going to end Desmond's story, so I doubt we're going to find any direct sequels to this game and since the Grand Temple is in New York I'm pretty sure the significance of Connor's story will be revolving around that.

There could be another descendant. Or as many have been suggesting dump the frame story and focus on the Ancestor. I wouldn't care if they put another frame story but I wouldn't pay attention to it. At this point I don't even care about Desmond's story, that's irrelevant though. There could be another descendant with some other frame story, there could be Desmond but no story, just him in the end of AC3 having become too close to the animus and lives with it. Kind of like Rattman and the C-cube from Portal. Desmond just spends his tim in the Animus for the rest of his life giving easy access to countless of his ancestors.
Could be another Ancestor, a different Assassin we meet in the game. He goes of to France and bam. Could just be hints for the next game, considering that in the progressing Assassin Story, things are pulling closer to France. Having nothing to do with Desmond the Ancestor story can continue.

LightRey
03-22-2012, 04:32 PM
There could be another descendant. Or as many have been suggesting dump the frame story and focus on the Ancestor. I wouldn't care if they put another frame story but I wouldn't pay attention to it. At this point I don't even care about Desmond's story, that's irrelevant though. There could be another descendant with some other frame story, there could be Desmond but no story, just him in the end of AC3 having become too close to the animus and lives with it. Kind of like Rattman and the C-cube from Portal. Desmond just spends his tim in the Animus for the rest of his life giving easy access to countless of his ancestors.
Could be another Ancestor, a different Assassin we meet in the game. He goes of to France and bam. Could just be hints for the next game, considering that in the progressing Assassin Story, things are pulling closer to France. Having nothing to do with Desmond the Ancestor story can continue.
That just wouldn't make any sense. Even if there will be another descendant, that would ruin the point of giving the clue to Desmond and his team. Not to mention that though it's not as perfect as the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen, US currency, or whatever the origin of the Phrygian Cap and the Masonic Eye appearing in there is, would certainly fit the bill. It would be weird to leave a clue in ACB for something that's supposed to happen after ACIII. ACIII is supposed to conclude Desmond's story. That means that after ACIII the world will be saved (since that is Desmond's job according to TWCB). Whatever is going to happen after ACIII will not be a direct continuation of Desmond's story, even with another descendant.
There being another ancestor also seems very far-fetched. Aside from the lack of advertising for such a thing, which one would expect, it seems rather absurd for the team to want to follow 2 different people, especially considering the dangers of the Bleeding Effect.

freddie_1897
03-22-2012, 04:56 PM
Why don't we have this argument about what the french revolution has to do with anything AFTER we actually find some proper evidence to back up our arguments?
at the moment, know one is right, and no one is wrong

DylanJosh9
03-22-2012, 07:45 PM
Have we ever confirmed how the Freemasons tie into the story?

I'd like to know too.

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 08:05 PM
I think we've ran on the assumption that freemasonry's connection to the templars is purely a conspiracy theory, bearing no actual relevance on the story, as it stands right now?

iNEEDSmeINSIDES
03-25-2012, 02:35 PM
From the latest Gameinformer article it looks like the Freemason angle will come into play: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/03/23/the-evolution-of-the-templar-order.aspx

GeneralTrumbo
03-25-2012, 02:39 PM
There could be another descendant. Or as many have been suggesting dump the frame story and focus on the Ancestor. I wouldn't care if they put another frame story but I wouldn't pay attention to it. At this point I don't even care about Desmond's story, that's irrelevant though. There could be another descendant with some other frame story, there could be Desmond but no story, just him in the end of AC3 having become too close to the animus and lives with it. Kind of like Rattman and the C-cube from Portal. Desmond just spends his tim in the Animus for the rest of his life giving easy access to countless of his ancestors.
Could be another Ancestor, a different Assassin we meet in the game. He goes of to France and bam. Could just be hints for the next game, considering that in the progressing Assassin Story, things are pulling closer to France. Having nothing to do with Desmond the Ancestor story can continue.
Desmond's story should end right. There should be no "AC4". Maybe a bunch of spin-offs, yes, but no "AC4". I think that at least need to finish what they started and finish it right.

frogger504
03-25-2012, 02:39 PM
That just wouldn't make any sense. Even if there will be another descendant, that would ruin the point of giving the clue to Desmond and his team. Not to mention that though it's not as perfect as the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen, US currency, or whatever the origin of the Phrygian Cap and the Masonic Eye appearing in there is, would certainly fit the bill. It would be weird to leave a clue in ACB for something that's supposed to happen after ACIII. ACIII is supposed to conclude Desmond's story. That means that after ACIII the world will be saved (since that is Desmond's job according to TWCB). Whatever is going to happen after ACIII will not be a direct continuation of Desmond's story, even with another descendant.
There being another ancestor also seems very far-fetched. Aside from the lack of advertising for such a thing, which one would expect, it seems rather absurd for the team to want to follow 2 different people, especially considering the dangers of the Bleeding Effect.
Or it could be for the player...

(I learned that one from you)

GeneralTrumbo
03-25-2012, 02:41 PM
I think we've ran on the assumption that freemasonry's connection to the templars is purely a conspiracy theory, bearing no actual relevance on the story, as it stands right now?
*Cough* http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/03/23/the-evolution-of-the-templar-order.aspx *Cough*

Couldn't have asked for it sooner...you were saying?

LightRey
03-25-2012, 02:43 PM
Or it could be for the player...

(I learned that one from you)
It could be, but I doubt that as well. The very fact that the clue is obviously presented to and acknowledged by the team makes it unlikely. Clues to the player are usually more inconspicuous. They're things that are generally not of interest or importance to the main characters, but signify an overarching relevance.


*Cough* http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/03/23/the-evolution-of-the-templar-order.aspx *Cough*

Couldn't have asked for it sooner...you were saying?
Completely meaningless. All they note about it is their own speculation. What they're saying is just as unreliable as our own speculation on the subject.

frogger504
03-25-2012, 02:45 PM
It could be, but I doubt that as well. The very fact that the clue is obviously presented to and acknowledged by the team makes it unlikely. Clues to the player are usually more inconspicuous. They're things that are generally not of interest or importance to the main characters, but signify an overarching relevance.

True.
What do you think about it then? They have clearly made more than one direct reference to the French Revolution and they have confirmed it's Desmond's last game and that we won't be leaving America.

GeneralTrumbo
03-25-2012, 02:47 PM
It could be, but I doubt that as well. The very fact that the clue is obviously presented to and acknowledged by the team makes it unlikely. Clues to the player are usually more inconspicuous. They're things that are generally not of interest or importance to the main characters, but signify an overarching relevance.


Completely meaningless. All they note about it is their own speculation. What they're saying is just as unreliable as our own speculation on the subject.
It isn't really meaningless. These people confirm stuff with Ubisoft and have gotten a chance to play AC3 themselves. This is legit.

frogger504
03-25-2012, 02:51 PM
It isn't really meaningless. These people confirm stuff with Ubisoft and have gotten a chance to play AC3 themselves. This is legit.

Not really. In some cases yeah, but not in this one.

They've played demos. As far as we know a full game has not been made

LightRey
03-25-2012, 02:52 PM
It isn't really meaningless. These people confirm stuff with Ubisoft and have gotten a chance to play AC3 themselves. This is legit.
You should read it more properly. They explicitly state that the presence of any relevance is "a complete mystery". They do not confirm anything with Ubi. They're fed information they are allowed to release and then they organize it neatly into nice articles. That's all they do.

iNEEDSmeINSIDES
03-25-2012, 02:55 PM
Surely the article confirms the Freemasons rose from the Templars according to the Assassin's Creed universe and it is based on information from the game's creators; not plucked from their arses.

It says that it is a mystery of how it will tie into the revolutionary era templars/assassins.

frogger504
03-25-2012, 02:57 PM
Surely the article confirms the Freemasons rose from the Templars according to the Assassin's Creed universe and it is based on information from the game's creators; not plucked from their arses.

Not just out of nowhere, there are hints to it but nothing has been announced yet. Freemasons can just as well be Assassins too, based on what we currently know.

GeneralTrumbo
03-25-2012, 02:58 PM
Not really. In some cases yeah, but not in this one.

They've played demos. As far as we know a full game has not been made
They still talk with the people of Ubisoft beforehand. And the full game has been said to be nearly done.

LightRey
03-25-2012, 02:59 PM
Surely the article confirms the Freemasons rose from the Templars according to the Assassin's Creed universe and it is based on information from the game's creators; not plucked from their arses.
No it doesn't. As the article itself notes, it is completely speculated by the writers. Nothing about freemasonry has been referred to by Ubi itself.

DylanJosh9
03-25-2012, 03:03 PM
“We have a very accurate depiction of the Masons in our game, and that’s all I can say,” says lead writer Corey May.


That's ALL that's confirmed.

pacmanate
03-25-2012, 03:04 PM
Not really. In some cases yeah, but not in this one.

They've played demos. As far as we know a full game has not been made

The full game has been made for a week now.

iNEEDSmeINSIDES
03-25-2012, 03:05 PM
Lightrey where does it say that it is based on their own speculation?

GeneralTrumbo
03-25-2012, 03:05 PM
That's ALL that's confirmed.
That is all that needs to be confirmed. They are including Masons in the Assassins Creed universe.

LightRey
03-25-2012, 03:09 PM
Lightrey where does it say that it is based on their own speculation?

"From what Ubisoft has told us, Assassin’s Creed III protagonist Connor associates with both Washington and Franklin, so how this version of the Freemason history fits into the battle between the Templars and Assassins remains a mystery"

That bit especially, the rest can be deduced from what they actually say. They're simply speculating based on the fact that there is a (slight) link between Freemasonry and the Knights Templar and the files did say that there were 9 knights after the order was officially disbanded who were to keep the order intact. There's also the fact that many significant people featured in this game are Freemasons. They're using these hints to speculate on a possible significance of Freemasonry, but as they note in the quote above, they have no idea of its actual relevance.

iNEEDSmeINSIDES
03-25-2012, 03:10 PM
That does not state that that section is based on their speculation, they pass on a little information but only enough to keep the storyline of ACIII a mystery.

Confirmed:
Freemason's will feature in ACIII (not really a surprise after all the Hermetic order content)
According to AC lore, they emerged in 1700s out of the ruins of the Templars
We do not know where they now stand, whether they split/evolved further

LightRey
03-25-2012, 03:12 PM
Confirmed:
Freemason's will feature in ACIII (not really a surprise after all the Hermetic order content)
According to AC lore, they emerged in 1700s out of the ruins of the Templars
We do not know where they now stand, whether they split/evolved further
You're severely paraphrasing. In fact, all your statements contain assumptions.

brick177
03-25-2012, 03:17 PM
“We have a very accurate depiction of the Masons in our game, and that’s all I can say,” says lead writer Corey May.

iNEEDSmeINSIDES
03-25-2012, 03:17 PM
You're severely paraphrasing. In fact, all your statements contain assumptions.

I'm afraid they do not:
1. Corey May confirms they feature in the game, as their representation is accurate.
2. They state ' According to Assassin's Lore'
3. I'm basically agreeing with you that the current standing is a mystery.

LightRey
03-25-2012, 03:20 PM
I'm afraid they do not:
1. Corey May confirms they feature in the game, as their representation is accurate.
2. They state ' According to Assassin's Lore'
3. I'm basically agreeing with you that the current standing is a mystery.
1. He confirms people that are Freemasons are in the game, not that the concept of Freemasonry itself is noted or relevant in it. At best it is recognizable in their behavior.
2. They state that there were 9 Templars that were sent places according to Assassin lore. Not that they actually did to to the Templars, that part was their own speculation. Read more carefully.
3. We don't even know if there is any relevance.

brick177
03-25-2012, 03:25 PM
I would argue that "an accurate representation of Freemasonry" means it will have no connection with the fictional Templars and Assassins of AC lore.

LightRey
03-25-2012, 03:29 PM
I would argue that "an accurate representation of Freemasonry" means it will have no connection with the fictional Templars and Assassins of AC lore.
That too. If it's accurate it would mean it would hold up to some of its basic rules like the lack of political or religious discussion within its lodges. That would mean Templars nor Assassins could be using it for their goals. In fact, it could mean that Templars and Assassins alike could be Freemasons.

iNEEDSmeINSIDES
03-25-2012, 03:31 PM
I would argue that "an accurate representation of Freemasonry" means it will have no connection with the fictional Templars and Assassins of AC lore.
Exactly, Freemasonry not Freemasons will feature.



“We have a very accurate depiction of the Masons in our game, and that’s all I can say,” says lead writer Corey May.


Actually there could be something to that.

I guess we'll see.

brick177
03-25-2012, 03:40 PM
As far as the whole "New World Order" is concerned, the back of the Great Seal of the United States has the phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/US_Great_Seal_Reverse.svg/521px-US_Great_Seal_Reverse.svg.png

Oddly enough, when I was looking this up I came across the first draft of the US Seal which contains a Phrygian Cap and a Masonic Eye:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/FirstCommitteeGreatSealObverseLossingDrawing.jpg/600px-FirstCommitteeGreatSealObverseLossingDrawing.jpg

LightRey
03-25-2012, 03:53 PM
As far as the whole "New World Order" is concerned, the back of the Great Seal of the United States has the phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/US_Great_Seal_Reverse.svg/521px-US_Great_Seal_Reverse.svg.png

Oddly enough, when I was looking this up I came across the first draft of the US Seal which contains a Phrygian Cap and a Masonic Eye:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/FirstCommitteeGreatSealObverseLossingDrawing.jpg/600px-FirstCommitteeGreatSealObverseLossingDrawing.jpg
Nice find. That's the first real good one with the 2 coming together regarding the US.

iNEEDSmeINSIDES
03-25-2012, 04:08 PM
That is a good find.

rileypoole1234
03-25-2012, 04:59 PM
Nice find. That's the first real good one with the 2 coming together regarding the US.

Agreed, this is the only thing I've seen for the US with the two actually in the picture.

GeneralTrumbo
03-25-2012, 05:00 PM
This is interesting.

GeneralTrumbo
03-25-2012, 05:03 PM
Nice find. That's the first real good one with the 2 coming together regarding the US.
See? Don't you see how the free masons are connected with the AC universe? It is quite obvious.

FilipinoNinja67
03-25-2012, 05:04 PM
Nice find!

LightRey
03-25-2012, 05:11 PM
See? Don't you see how the free masons are connected with the AC universe? It is quite obvious.
The Masonic Eye is not exclusive to Freemasonry.

brick177
03-25-2012, 05:50 PM
The Masonic Eye is not exclusive to Freemasonry.

This.

Further http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence

Imagery of an all-seeing eye can be traced back to Egyptian mythology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_mythology) and the Eye of Horus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus). It also appears in Buddhism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism), where Buddha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha) is also regularly referred to as the "Eye of the World" throughout Buddhist scriptures (e.g. Mahaparinibbana Sutta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahaparinibbana_Sutta)).
In Hinduism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism), the divine providence is associated with Lord Shiva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Shiva), a major Hindu deity, who is one with great powers, yet lives a life of a sage and is known to keep himself intoxicated and meditating with bhang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis)so that the world remains safe from his anger. He has an all seeing eye, the third eye on his forehead, that notices of everything that happens in the world, has an authority over death, rebirth and immortality.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] In Hinduism, the gods have a third eye which is described as being "all powerful and all seeing eye".[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
In Medieval and Renaissance European iconography, the Eye (often with the addition of an enclosing triangle) was an explicit image of the Christian Trinity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity). Seventeenth-century depictions of the Eye of Providence sometimes show it surrounded by clouds or sunbursts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunburst).