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n00bfi_97
03-17-2012, 11:49 PM
So I've seen a lot of people say these two modes are very exciting and go hand in hand, but I personally don't find them as enjoyable without teammates...

Am I doing something wrong or is the Lone Wolf inside me rebelling?

UrbanSaint
03-18-2012, 03:20 AM
I enjoy Artifact Assault more than Escort but they are both really fun games even though I tend to enjoy the FFA modes more. They took me a long time to get the hang of though, and you kind of have to have decent teammates in my opinion to enjoy it.

AwkwardlyBruta
03-18-2012, 05:51 AM
Escort is plenty playable solo, I find unless your team is good, and constantly talking about how to maximize points in escort, they just get in the way of the VIP killing round, but on the defending round you want smart teammates.

A good team is more important in AA then escort.

Sukramo
03-18-2012, 02:50 PM
Stay away from AA. Since the maps arent mirrored, it will never be balanced.

thergbcolor
03-18-2012, 11:14 PM
If you're going to play Escort solo, you have to adapt to your teammates' tactics imho. Most of the time I find my score (and the team) is better served by going for stuns and trying to occupy the VIP defenders during the VIP Hunting round. This is because more often than not, you're going to have at least one random teammate who rushes kills on VIPs and does not give a crap if you're setting up a Poison / Hidden / Whatever for max points. If you're playing with a team (which is pretty hard to do considering the horrid matchmaking in AC:R) and you're coordinating (or your teammates are more patient in the pursuit of points) then Poison or Hidden kills are a more viable option.

When you're defending VIPs it's really just a matter of aggressive bird-dogging or staying close to the VIP. Since random teammates usually tend to stay close, that frees you up to scout ahead and *****er the opposing team by intercepting before they get to the VIP.

Escort was more fun in AC:B (by a lot) but it can still be fun in AC:R.

EDIT: Apparently the filter doesn't like bu tc h er. :confused:

AwkwardlyBruta
03-19-2012, 08:03 AM
Escort is ALOT faster now.
It has a completely different mindset then it did for AC:B.
AC:B's took more skill and a slower approach to fool the other team, but now in AC:R's seems to be about getting to the VIP's faster then the protecting team can, and if they show up just drop a smoke, get two stuns, kill the VIP, streak, and repeat.

BTW rgb what's your highest sore in AC:R escort?

april2011
05-01-2012, 04:01 AM
I never got into Escort on Brotherhood, however on Revelations it just seems more fun to me. I really like it. AA can be annoying tho, I just hate playing against a team that always use teleports!! They just throw a bomb and grab the flag and teleport, there is no fun in that.

FilipinoNinja67
05-01-2012, 04:24 AM
AA is extremely fun competitively but when you play against n00bz it is terrible. After the smokebomb buff Escort became what awkwardly said.

april2011
05-01-2012, 04:36 AM
I guess it depends on who you play with, I love playing with my friends. I really like playing team modes with mics, but I rarely use one if I am in a room with complete strangers…unless they are good players. Still tho I guess every mode has its noobs, that goes for Brotherhood and Revelations.

Limed_-
05-01-2012, 07:01 AM
Artefact assault is the worst in my opinion. Either some idiot will rush your base, hide in a chase breaker and teleport away or you'll get shot. Therefore, this mode is ruined by two abilities.

I used to play escort, rolling with disguise/poison. Was fun until stupid teammates took my points away from me for their own chase kills.

LadyGahan2010
05-01-2012, 02:49 PM
I find Escort very fun, even though I never score high. The only Team mode I enjoy, in general. As a loner, I always play with randoms, and usually stick around for more than one match. However, AA, I would not recommend even to an enemy. I see lots of people love running no matter what, a turtle like me senses no logic in going into a mode such as AA. Oddly enough, that's the only mode available in the Map DLC. Sad.

april2011
05-01-2012, 05:01 PM
I didn't mind AA in beta but I grew bored with it soon after. It is true that when I want to play the DLC maps I have to play AA but that is because everyone always picks it for voting so I just leave.

BeCk41
05-01-2012, 09:58 PM
I've only played Escort once since the game was released, and Artifact Assault is hard to capture anything without getting shot or chased down. :/

cjdavies
05-01-2012, 11:43 PM
In AA I struggle, I capture it but I'm quickly taken down.

If I blend in a group - does the "kill" over my head vanish? I noticed this happened in STA when I played it once.

CheeseLightsaber
05-01-2012, 11:56 PM
In AA I struggle, I capture it but I'm quickly taken down.

If I blend in a group - does the "kill" over my head vanish? I noticed this happened in STA when I played it once.

Yes. In both AA and StA, when you are hiding (or even just in low profile) you will not have the giant "kill" symbol over your head. Makes using disguise in AA so much more satisfying.

april2011
05-02-2012, 12:37 AM
In AA I struggle, I capture it but I'm quickly taken down.

If I blend in a group - does the "kill" over my head vanish? I noticed this happened in STA when I played it once. If you are hidden and not running the symbol will vanish. Usually when I capture I go with morph and disguise. get into a blended group before your in sight then hit disguise and keep walking.

orionsrise
05-02-2012, 01:36 AM
Both games have alot of challenges to overcome but are fungrouped or solo. In AA the challenge becomes threading thru all the gunsmoke or if your defending the flag how to deal with all the smoke puff transports. The easiest way to deal with the first is to run constantly, get shot, go in again, get shot, all four times and then steal the flag for real, if the snipes have no ammo then they usualy breakdown and blow the chase. In defending against smoke puffs, you gotta get high and have alot of knifes. Gaurding against chase breaker teleportors you actually need teleport yourself to chase them down. All in all every mode needs a strategy, and a backup to succeed. What works once might fail twice

punkachump
05-02-2012, 01:52 AM
Escort is ALOT faster now.
It has a completely different mindset then it did for AC:B.
AC:B's took more skill and a slower approach to fool the other team, but now in AC:R's seems to be about getting to the VIP's faster then the protecting team can, and if they show up just drop a smoke, get two stuns, kill the VIP, streak, and repeat.

BTW rgb what's your highest sore in AC:R escort?

What was the differences between escort in ACB than in ACR? I didn't get the DLC 3.0, I've seen youtube vids but it looks the same :S

But what you said about ACR escort is entirely true, when I'm protecting the VIPs I have to guess where they spawn in order to get there before the hunters do.


If you have a really good team in AA and you're vsing a really good team, the gameplay is incredibly addictive, even with abilities that can ruin it (tele and gun) but if your team co-ordinates well you can still counter these abilities...make sure somebody is at the line, while another person is chasing the capturer and with the gun, try and get teammates to follow or stun the other team. Of course it doesn't work in all situations but when it does it is awesome!

I love using morph whilst attacking in AA, coz then they don't know who to shoot down!

luckyto
05-02-2012, 02:08 AM
Escort is a challenge for me. I haven't quite got that one yet.


Artefact assault is the worst in my opinion. Either some idiot will rush your base, hide in a chase breaker and teleport away or you'll get shot. Therefore, this mode is ruined by two abilities. .

Whoa, there, kind sir. You know how hard it is to make your way without getting killed to even get the artifact? Much less getting to that chase breaker? Even teleporting halfway across the map will do you little good against a good team. You make it sound like OSBing... any idiot can do it. Not so. It's challenging.

TaRabidWesmann
05-02-2012, 02:17 AM
AA is VERY intense and demanding in clan v clan stuff.
That is,until a single team starts to camp around the artifact and intentionally piss the other teams off....

Limed_-
05-02-2012, 07:52 AM
Escort is a challenge for me. I haven't quite got that one yet.



Whoa, there, kind sir. You know how hard it is to make your way without getting killed to even get the artifact? Much less getting to that chase breaker? Even teleporting halfway across the map will do you little good against a good team. You make it sound like OSBing... any idiot can do it. Not so. It's challenging.

Just play AA on Antioch and defend the well side, and maybe you will change your mind. Any idiot CAN do it, all it takes is a smoke bomb and you gain total immunity until someone realises they need to knife you, and most of the time knvies go to waste as the teleport time is so short, and the immune pre-teleport status makes it so they will not be affected by knives.

cjdavies
05-02-2012, 08:03 AM
Cheers both, will play this mode again doing this.

FilipinoNinja67
05-02-2012, 12:46 PM
Just play AA on Antioch and defend the well side, and maybe you will change your mind. Any idiot CAN do it, all it takes is a smoke bomb and you gain total immunity until someone realises they need to knife you, and most of the time knvies go to waste as the teleport time is so short, and the immune pre-teleport status makes it so they will not be affected by knives.

When you defend the artifact you don't want to be directly on top of it. Try border patrol with knives and smoke

luckyto
05-02-2012, 03:02 PM
Just play AA on Antioch and defend the well side, and maybe you will change your mind. Any idiot CAN do it, all it takes is a smoke bomb and you gain total immunity until someone realises they need to knife you, and most of the time knvies go to waste as the teleport time is so short, and the immune pre-teleport status makes it so they will not be affected by knives.

I have played both sides of Antioch. After I hit my Deathmatch depression, I switched to AA and have played it a lot over the last couple months. It's a lot of fun for me, because I'm not so focused on "winning" in points as I am scoring goals. It's helped me reevaluate that it is simply important to have fun, not blow every Prestige out of the water in every lobby. ;) anyways, enough of my psychobabble and on with the point...

I just don't agree that it is that simple. Simply getting to the other team's artifact against semi-decent players is a real challenge. Most people who play AA play that mode often. There's a lot of very talented people in those lobbies in my experience. There's almost always a roofer with a gun or knife ready for you, and one or two guys patrolling the borders. And then the artifact itself is usually protected by tripwires. Even once you get it, you've got to somehow make it to a chase breaker and hit your teleport and hope you don't get cut off.

It's not easy. Sure, I'll grant you that some lobbies are just easier than others. Some maps are lopsided. Some days, any idiot CAN steal it. But, against your average lobby, it is very difficult... not impossible... but definitely challenging.

TaRabidWesmann
05-02-2012, 09:14 PM
Just play AA on Antioch and defend the well side, and maybe you will change your mind. Any idiot CAN do it, all it takes is a smoke bomb and you gain total immunity until someone realises they need to knife you, and most of the time knvies go to waste as the teleport time is so short, and the immune pre-teleport status makes it so they will not be affected by knives.

I dare you to try this when you're playing against an actual team.Itll never work.

Limed_-
05-02-2012, 09:30 PM
I dare you to try this when you're playing against an actual team.Itll never work.
Teleport 2/2 activation time crafted for extra OPness, it would work even against organised teams.

TaRabidWesmann
05-03-2012, 12:02 AM
Teleport 2/2 activation time crafted for extra OPness, it would work even against organised teams.

XD try it with us,or WHU,or any clan.You haven't watched our scrims on YT obviously.Teleport is the easiest ability to counter of all time dude..Get you a team and Ill get mine,I just wanna show you,not being rude or nothin.

EDIT: **** it you're on PSN :/

luckyto
05-03-2012, 01:05 AM
I dare you to try this when you're playing against an actual team.Itll never work.

oh, it'll work ;) it may take a whole match to breach some team's defenses but there's almost always a way to score. i run disguise/teleport and i get there.. and get away :)

after dying a dozen times -- haha

TaRabidWesmann
05-03-2012, 02:04 AM
In an actual clan v clan match,no it wont.You aint got time to die because their offense can easily bull-rush while you're dead,and your team's defense will be overwhelmed.And you can't repeat the same tactic,they will learn and make a defense to counter that,whether they border guard or hug the artifact.

sirturmund
05-03-2012, 02:53 AM
During the Beta, I could not get enough of Artifact Assault. I would play match after match after match. Since the game came out, I only have like 30 or so AA games played. I don't know, I just could not get back into it once the game came out. I play it and its not as fun as during the Beta.

Now Escort, oh man, I have fallen in love with this game mode. I never got the DLC #3 on ACB so I never got to play Escort or Assassinate before ACR. These two game modes have brought months of enjoyment to me. I have played more Escort matches than my total Corruption, Steal the Artifact and AA matches combined. It is such a fun mode imo. I think its the easiest team mode to play solo on, which is what I usually do now thanks to ACR's matchmaking. I actually have not played much ACR after the patch so I don't know how badly the smoke patch affected Escort, but I think it still must be a very fun mode to play.

SixKeys
05-03-2012, 03:34 AM
I'd love to play more Escort, if only to complete the challenges, but on PC it's almost impossible to finds matches on that mode. :(

luckyto
05-03-2012, 04:33 AM
TaRabidWesman, all teams eventually have a weakness to exploit. You know it's true. Surely somebody scores in your games...

Escort --- I've only played a couple of games, but I find it very difficult to get used to. You switch so rapidly from offense to defense that it throws me off a little bit. The few matches I've played I've ended up pressing stun when I should press Kill and vice versa a half-dozen times. I just need to play it more I think. Nor have I found an ability set for each round which works for me.

TaRabidWesmann
05-03-2012, 12:22 PM
TaRabidWesman, all teams eventually have a weakness to exploit. You know it's true. Surely somebody scores in your games...

Escort --- I've only played a couple of games, but I find it very difficult to get used to. You switch so rapidly from offense to defense that it throws me off a little bit. The few matches I've played I've ended up pressing stun when I should press Kill and vice versa a half-dozen times. I just need to play it more I think. Nor have I found an ability set for each round which works for me.
Of there is,our games are usually high scoring for both teams because we change it up.You make it seem as if Teleport is unbeatable.I have found 8 if not more ways to counter it lol.Our teams Offense is ussually smoke n mute,with another person with smoke n teleport.Or very rarely smoke n charge,depends,

luckyto
05-03-2012, 03:39 PM
Of there is,our games are usually high scoring for both teams because we change it up.You make it seem as if Teleport is unbeatable.I have found 8 if not more ways to counter it lol.Our teams Offense is ussually smoke n mute,with another person with smoke n teleport.Or very rarely smoke n charge,depends,

actually - i was arguing the opposite with Limed. Using Teleport isn't some easy peasy fix that anybody can get away with. It takes some degree of skill to score with it. I think you got confused by me trash-talking about being able to score on people... ;)

FilipinoNinja67
05-03-2012, 05:41 PM
Hmm, I'm not sure what you guys are argueing about but I'm sure my clan leader is right because he is the all mighty and powerful RabidWesman. Oh by the way can I have your permission oh all mighty dictator, to play a game with my friend that is in a different clan? Oh by the way I subscribed to your youtube channel and I love how you show the community how to play against smurfs, you're really pushing us forward!


I used to think of smoke and tele being cheap but it actually has counters and if the person isn't smart he will usually face the way he is teleporting and you can cut him off sometimes. Unlike OSB which has no counter at all besides run around like a chicken with your head cut off.

TaRabidWesmann
05-03-2012, 08:42 PM
Hmm, I'm not sure what you guys are argueing about but I'm sure my clan leader is right because he is the all mighty and powerful RabidWesman. Oh by the way can I have your permission oh all mighty dictator, to play a game with my friend that is in a different clan? Oh by the way I subscribed to your youtube channel and I love how you show the community how to play against smurfs, you're really pushing us forward!


I used to think of smoke and tele being cheap but it actually has counters and if the person isn't smart he will usually face the way he is teleporting and you can cut him off sometimes. Unlike OSB which has no counter at all besides run around like a chicken with your head cut off.

Too obvious with that reference....

TaRabidWesmann
05-03-2012, 08:43 PM
actually - i was arguing the opposite with Limed. Using Teleport isn't some easy peasy fix that anybody can get away with. It takes some degree of skill to score with it. I think you got confused by me trash-talking about being able to score on people... ;)
Oh I tend to skim when I read lol my bad

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W-E-S-P
06-03-2012, 02:24 PM
You make it sound like OSBing... any idiot can do it. Not so. It's challenging.

Using teleport in AA is worse than OSB. It's Cheap & it doesn't require ANY skill. It's kind of funny that you think it's challenging.


I can't believe Ubi added such a noob ability to this game let alone AA. It defeats the whole purpose of the game mode.

AngloKlaxon
06-03-2012, 05:49 PM
AA & Escort are 2 of my fave game modes... Only now they've both regressed into a drudgery of avoiding stun locks by players that aren't interested in playing the game mode, just ganging up and stunning other players, there's needs to be a 'peoples of limited intelligence' mode for these players to play each other where they can run around in circles making aeroplane noises to their hearts content and not ruin the game modes for the rest of us!

The biggest culprits... prestige players

Zoidberg747
06-03-2012, 05:55 PM
Using teleport in AA is worse than OSB. It's Cheap & it doesn't require ANY skill. It's kind of funny that you think it's challenging.


I can't believe Ubi added such a noob ability to this game let alone AA. It defeats the whole purpose of the game mode.

Teleport is almost stupid to use on offense and is one of the most counterable things in the game:

Knives
Gun
Throwable Smoke
Defensive teleport
Cutting them off
Having someone guard the border
Roofing
Mute

It should never work in high level play. Even if it does, so what. It is your fault for not defending against it well, it is in no way cheap. Some of you really do not seem to get how this mode is really played with good teams.. I suggest you all read my full AA guide:
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/195094-Artifact-Assault-A-living-guide

Edit: Ignore the offensive classes in the guide and look at the defensive ones. I honestly forgot this was so old, but teleport/smoke is no longer the best offensive class. Smoke/Mute probably is now, but you can still use teleport/smoke, you just have to be insanely good with the teleport ability to even have a chance of scoring with it.

AwkwardlyBruta
06-03-2012, 08:12 PM
I like using teleport/knives.
It really works well for how I play.

CheeseLightsaber
06-03-2012, 10:41 PM
I like using teleport/knives.
It really works well for how I play.

That's my favorite set for AA. I love how you can be more versatile with that set.
I like to do a little bit of everything when I play AA, so it's fun to use.

punkachump
06-04-2012, 12:50 AM
I like using teleport/knives.
It really works well for how I play.

I second this, this is my main set and I usually play defense.

When attacking I typically use smoke/knives.

If an offensive enemy is using smoke/teleport and their whole team is backing them up, they're almost guaranteed to score, unless my team co-ordinates well. Smaller maps it is much harder to counter teleport, castel gandolfo, souk, venice etc. especially in castel gandolfo, if your knives are on cooldown when they jump on the candeliers and teleport, you're screwed unless you counter teleport/team mates back you up.

I especially get annoyed with AA games, where my team is losing, so everybody on my team leaves and it's 1vs4 and I'm just like -_- and then the opposing team, has the audacity to stun-lock me using their smoke on boost cooldowns, I mean come on where is the honour in playing? I don't mind losing but don't make it so it's unplayable for me.

AwkwardlyBruta
06-04-2012, 05:40 AM
That's my favorite set for AA. I love how you can be more versatile with that set.
I like to do a little bit of everything when I play AA, so it's fun to use.



Are you..... me?

Anykeyer
06-04-2012, 07:43 AM
Teleport is almost stupid to use on offense and is one of the most counterable things in the game:

Knives
Gun
Throwable Smoke
Defensive teleport
Cutting them off
Having someone guard the border
Roofing
Mute


Your list is wrong. Actually teleportation counters gun, cutting off and roofing better then anything else. If used with some skill. And other stuff can be avoided. Anyway actual use depends on what defenders are using.

Zoidberg747
06-04-2012, 04:33 PM
Your list is wrong. Actually teleportation counters gun, cutting off and roofing better then anything else. If used with some skill. And other stuff can be avoided. Anyway actual use depends on what defenders are using.

Actually no it is not. If you try to teleport I can gun you the moment you do. I can also roof you before you get it off. And even if you do and I am near the border, I can easily predict where you will go and cut you off. Yes it avoids those things if the person does not know what they are doing, but going through chasebreakers and picking a good route will help with those more than trying to use teleport.

Anykeyer
06-04-2012, 05:03 PM
Actually yes. You didnt get the point at all. Of course its stupid to teleport in plain sight knowing defender has the gun. When I play seriously (I found that lately I just cant force myself into it, but still) I track who is where. I use natural covers like walls, blend groups and teammate distractions to not get shot untill I grab the artifact and get to relative safety. Then I use teleport to cover open areas when normally I would get shot right away. This way teleport actually counters gun.

TheContractDust
06-07-2012, 04:30 AM
Escort is my favorite team mode (look at my sig). A mode where you can run as much as you want the first round, then go for high scoring the second round allows you to play like a noob and a pro.

Also, you are a freaking bodyguard escorting vip -- and you can be the sniper you always wanted!

I usually score around 5000-6000 a round, 7000-8000 if I'm doing good--here are my classes. They may not be perfect, but they work for me:

VIP escort:
Firecrackers (duration)
Hidden gun (1 accuracy 1 cooldown)

Kill buffer
overall cooldowns

5 kill streak
boost cooldowns

Strategy:use firecrackers to freak out Assassins. They last 5 seconds (with crafting) and can help spot Assassins in a crowd if you look closely enough.
The gun is for ranged enemies. Assassins on roofs can get annoying, so this helps.
Optionally, you can switch the firecrackers or gun out for knives, but the assassin can still drop a smoke before you reach them.

VIP assassin:
Disguise (all on duration)
Poison (300 point)

Blender
overall cooldowns

3 kill silent streak
X2 score

Strategy: Use disguise to get a focus poison. the 20 seconds is to get the sure focus, though if you are good enough you can get it in 15 seconds. I can usually walk up right next to a guard and poison the target, then stun the guard right before the VIP dies.

Optionally, I change the poison to a smoke and go for kill buffer over overall cooldowns and 5 silent kill streak.This is more of an assisting class--go for stuns and let your teammates get kills

These classes have given me so much fun in escort. If you have trouble in this mode, I hope this helps!

Archybad
06-07-2012, 04:35 PM
I like them both without team mates. I prefer AC:B Escort with team mates, but I can't say I miss them in AC:R. In AC:B we'd all distract pursuers while the disguised ones got decent kills, but in AC:R I am useless at killing so I just take the pursuers out.

As far as AA goes I'd only really need a team when I'm playing against a team. I enjoy the unpredictability of the mode. My main problem with the mode is when the whole other team just camps the chest/border without making a dash for the chest at all, but even then you can easily counter that by sticking around and stunning them because all the border campers I seem to run into are idiots.

punkachump
06-08-2012, 06:27 AM
Escort is my favorite team mode (look at my sig). A mode where you can run as much as you want the first round, then go for high scoring the second round allows you to play like a noob and a pro.

Also, you are a freaking bodyguard escorting vip -- and you can be the sniper you always wanted!

I usually score around 5000-6000 a round, 7000-8000 if I'm doing good--here are my classes. They may not be perfect, but they work for me:

VIP escort:
Firecrackers (duration)
Hidden gun (1 accuracy 1 cooldown)

Kill buffer
overall cooldowns

5 kill streak
boost cooldowns

Strategy:use firecrackers to freak out Assassins. They last 5 seconds (with crafting) and can help spot Assassins in a crowd if you look closely enough.
The gun is for ranged enemies. Assassins on roofs can get annoying, so this helps.
Optionally, you can switch the firecrackers or gun out for knives, but the assassin can still drop a smoke before you reach them.

VIP assassin:
Disguise (all on duration)
Poison (300 point)

Blender
overall cooldowns

3 kill silent streak
X2 score

Strategy: Use disguise to get a focus poison. the 20 seconds is to get the sure focus, though if you are good enough you can get it in 15 seconds. I can usually walk up right next to a guard and poison the target, then stun the guard right before the VIP dies.

Optionally, I change the poison to a smoke and go for kill buffer over overall cooldowns and 5 silent kill streak.This is more of an assisting class--go for stuns and let your teammates get kills

These classes have given me so much fun in escort. If you have trouble in this mode, I hope this helps!


Escort is awesome as long as you target the VIPs when you're assasinating (and not stunning the protectors). Stunning the protectors gets you more points, but it just isn't as fun. I love waiting at the checkpoint in a blend group and then poisoning the VIP, ACB was more focused on this than ACR (coz stunning was buffed).

Defending: I use smoke and templar vision. Smoke coz it's very likely that the opposing team is going to try and stun you, then you usually get 2 kills. And templar vision in case anybody is in a waiting blend group.

Offense: I use poison and disguise as well :D

I reckon in escort defending the VIP it should take away the approach meter (lights up when you see them etc.) and just put whispers back, it makes it way more challenging when you're defending the VIP, way more tense.

Edit: Oh and I love AA as well, except when the opposing team ALL have the hidden gun. All my 3 teammates went in to steal the artifact: all 3 of them ended up getting shot, so I'm thinking "okay they've only got the gun for defense so I'll run in." I steal the artifact, get knived and then shot! -_-