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JCearlyyears
03-10-2012, 11:38 PM
Ubisoft is really good at being original, so there shouldn't be a problem of being unoriginal.

souNdwAve89
03-10-2012, 11:44 PM
I wouldn't mine if there was one in the future. It would be interesting to see how Ubisoft would approach it. Here are some fan art, which I find to be very cool.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/204/8/d/Assassin__s_Creed_3___Japan_by_Tiggstar.jpg

http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/871889/AssassinTime2.jpg

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/assassins_creed_japanese_fan_art.jpg

http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/2/1636/ACfinsmall.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WOUBVjZBvuQ/TgrrFUTBlgI/AAAAAAAAEXo/_gIWfFttkh8/s1600/another+japan.jpg

Alexanderjac
03-10-2012, 11:59 PM
Holy ****, yes! I was going to suggest Paris or London, but I've now changed my mind. (What was a big city in Japan back then?)

JanTwoSeven
03-11-2012, 12:43 AM
**** i love those pictures.

LieutenantJojo
03-11-2012, 12:47 AM
The 4th picture is just constructed out of sheer awesomeness.

Yes, I would like to see this setting. Personally I'm more for a European setting, since I'm European myself and have visited most of the cities they show. But a setting like Japan would be awesome as well. That way I could learn more about that time period and Japan.

Bring it on!

kalo.yanis
03-11-2012, 01:01 AM
I'd love to see Japan! Beautiful country and would be sort of exotic during that time period.

LightRey
03-11-2012, 01:37 AM
My answer is still no. Maybe in the distant future, but not anytime soon. I'm really just not feeling it.

kriegerdesgottes
03-11-2012, 01:49 AM
My answer is still no. Maybe in the distant future, but not anytime soon. I'm really just not feeling it.

This

Dane_Wafer
03-11-2012, 01:54 AM
When I watched embers I thought that the third one might be in Japan. I think that it would awesome

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 03:22 AM
There is a lot of potential for exploration of culture, challenging enemies, cool weapons, interesting combat, and a great story. I believe Ubisoft could pull this off perfectly. I've seen other suggestions for Europe, but I don't think it comes close to a game set in Asia. I don't feel like we need another in Europe just yet. It doesn't necessarily mean Japan, but Japan is something a lot of people want.

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 03:26 AM
My answer is still no. Maybe in the distant future, but not anytime soon. I'm really just not feeling it.

Interesting... why?

jmk1999
03-11-2012, 04:24 AM
When I watched embers I thought that the third one might be in Japan. I think that it would awesome
embers dealt with china... not japan. :rolleyes:

xsatanicjokerx
03-11-2012, 04:49 AM
I didn't like the idea of Feudal Japan or Colonial America but then i saw what Ubi has done with AC3. So im sure if Ubi decides to do Japan it will be awesome.

tarrero
03-11-2012, 05:56 AM
My answer is still no. Maybe in the distant future, but not anytime soon. I'm really just not feeling it.

Agree, because MANY aspects like freerunning, stealh and combat would fit,but I still think that period is overused, however it could work.

Tetsou88
03-11-2012, 06:07 AM
Holy ****, yes! I was going to suggest Paris or London, but I've now changed my mind. (What was a big city in Japan back then?)

Kyoto, although every city(and there were several) had it's own castle(some being rather huge).


Here's some information I had put in the Victorian London Thread:

The Edo Jidai and Boshin War would be the perfect backdrop.

One one side you have the pro-foreign powers Shogunate followers who are trying to bring industrialization, trains, and guns to Japan. On the other side you have the pro-isolation Emperor followers who would like to go back to the old ways of Bushido and the Imperial court. To complicate matters, you have American's, Portuguese, French, and British powers all trying to vye for power, and Christian priests trying to spread Christianity(perfect way for Templar to arrive)

Those in favor of the the Shogun were mostly using rifles and the Gatling gun to fight(although you still had some units trained in sword, spear and bow, especially as guards/police for the cities). Those in favor of the Emperor were using spears, swords and bows. Also grenades were quite popular(Japan has had grenades since the Sengoku Jidai which took place from 1467 to 1573).

Technology wise, you have steamships and trains.

In regards to free-running, Japanese cities of the time were built pretty high, featured walls, and nice big castles.

Plus Ninja's are pretty darn cool. Ezio already sort of plays like a Ninja, the only changes that would really need to be made would be changing his throwing knives to kunai or throwing stars.

While the Boshin War only lasted a year, you could still cover the time before and after the war.

And some information on the different eras:
Boshin War: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boshin_War
Sengoku Jida(Warring States Period, one of the bloodiest Civil wars in Japanese history, Guns and Christianity were brought to Japan during this period) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sengoku_period
Edo Jidai(The time period in which the Boshin War takes place, Most Movies and Games about Japan take place during this time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edo_period

Lonesoldier2012
03-11-2012, 06:07 AM
First off those concepts are ****ing awesome. i would love to have a game with a character like the 4th concept. playing as a male assassin in Japan would be badass.

TorQue1988
03-11-2012, 11:06 AM
My answer is still no. Maybe in the distant future, but not anytime soon. I'm really just not feeling it.
I'm with you all the way.

LightRey
03-11-2012, 11:08 AM
Interesting... why?
Aside from the setting being about as big a cliche as you could get, especially considering the style of the Assassins, I have yet to see any depictions of Japanese cities at the time that would suit freerunning well, but most of all I don't want AC to turn into an asian martial arts fighting game.

freddie_1897
03-11-2012, 11:21 AM
Aside from the setting being about as big a cliche as you could get, especially considering the style of the Assassins, I have yet to see any depictions of Japanese cities at the time that would suit freerunning well, but most of all I don't want AC to turn into an asian martial arts fighting game.
this

Xanatos2007
03-11-2012, 11:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSdFbP9gHyQ

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 02:41 PM
Aside from the setting being about as big a cliche as you could get, especially considering the style of the Assassins, I have yet to see any depictions of Japanese cities at the time that would suit freerunning well, but most of all I don't want AC to turn into an asian martial arts fighting game.

I see what you mean. When I was first told about the idea of an AC game in japan, I thought it was ridiculous. When I watched the interview, they said that they were thinking about it, but right when mentioned, there is already a feeling of familiarity.It would be hard to avoid all of the cliches and feudal japan is commonly associated with ninjas, which I think is why people like it, but it would turn out as you not playing as a ninja or samurai because those are the 2 main cliches. In AC3, instead of you being a caucasian, you are a native american which in my opinion avoids the expected. I know Ubisoft knows how to make games that are not cliche. They would spend tons of time trying to avoid cliche and make it historically and culturally accurate as possible. (AC3 being a good example)

LightRey
03-11-2012, 03:17 PM
I see what you mean. When I was first told about the idea of an AC game in japan, I thought it was ridiculous. When I watched the interview, they said that they were thinking about it, but right when mentioned, there is already a feeling of familiarity.It would be hard to avoid all of the cliches and feudal japan is commonly associated with ninjas, which I think is why people like it, but it would turn out as you not playing as a ninja or samurai because those are the 2 main cliches. In AC3, instead of you being a caucasian, you are a native american which in my opinion avoids the expected. I know Ubisoft knows how to make games that are not cliche. They would spend tons of time trying to avoid cliche and make it historically and culturally accurate as possible. (AC3 being a good example)

I agree. They probably would be able to find a way to avoid cliches, but really, think about it. They're just not going to be able to avoid martial arts. It would really just be practically impossible. Even if the main character wasn't Asian himself, he'd still be fighting Asians, at the very least some Samurais. The structures seem terrible to me to. I really can't imagine freerunning on buildings like that, especially not from building to building.

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 03:36 PM
I agree. They probably would be able to find a way to avoid cliches, but really, think about it. They're just not going to be able to avoid martial arts. It would really just be practically impossible. Even if the main character wasn't Asian himself, he'd still be fighting Asians, at the very least some Samurais. The structures seem terrible to me to. I really can't imagine freerunning on buildings like that, especially not from building to building.

Good points. I think they'd be able to find a city with good architecture for free running, maybe the character would come to Japan with their own fighting style and doesn't fight using any asian martial arts, and also it is in an area with few samurais.. I don't know, but if Ubisoft does it, I am confident they'd do it right.

LightRey
03-11-2012, 03:38 PM
Good points. I think they'd be able to find a city with good architecture for free running, maybe the character would come to Japan with their own fighting style and doesn't fight using any asian martial arts, and also it is in an area with few samurais.. I don't know, but if Ubisoft does it, I am confident they'd do it right.
Me too. I can expect more than a great game from them even if it's set there, but I still think it's best to avoid the place (at least for now).

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 03:51 PM
You're right, I don't think we need one now, but I want one there eventually.

telcontar7
03-11-2012, 05:04 PM
What is so bad about martial arts?

fugazi787
03-11-2012, 05:48 PM
Two words; Played Out.

Done and re-done over and over to death. Ninjas, shinobi, shoguns, katanas... whatever... its been done too many times.

I dont care that Ubi could make it look good, running around on tiled roof tops as a ninja assassin is too typical. There are plenty of other world cultures we can visit without relying on the stereotypical Japanese ninja.

Just like Hollywood has lost its creative ability to churn out original movie ideas, doing yet another ninja game would only hurt this franchises lure. Stay away from ordinary please.

Thank you.

LightRey
03-11-2012, 06:02 PM
What is so bad about martial arts?

There is nothing wrong with martial arts per se, but Asian martial arts are a unique kind and are completely unlike the current combat in AC. Switching to a combat system involving Asian martial arts would imo ruin the AC combat system.

Sevenofnine-st
03-11-2012, 06:11 PM
Two words; Played Out.

Done and re-done over and over to death. Ninjas, shinobi, shoguns, katanas... whatever... its been done too many times.

I dont care that Ubi could make it look good, running around on tiled roof tops as a ninja assassin is too typical. There are plenty of other world cultures we can visit without relying on the stereotypical Japanese ninja.

Just like Hollywood has lost its creative ability to churn out original movie ideas, doing yet another ninja game would only hurt this franchises lure. Stay away from ordinary please.

Thank you.


I couldn't have said it better... Cliché and overdone is the main problem here. One of the major strengths of this franchise is its originality and I believe Ubisoft would be jeopardizing this by going the route of the Ninjas and Samurais. It's enough that the next game will completely lose any kind of exoticism in my eyes (even though I know I will really enjoy it nonetheless based on everything I've read so far), I certainly don't want the AC series to forfeit its reputation as being one of the most unique ones this generation.

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 06:37 PM
I'm sure Ubisoft wouldn't dare put out a game that can be seen as cliche. If they think it's just too hard to avoid the cliches and have a good game, they simply won't put that as the setting.

Tetsou88
03-11-2012, 06:43 PM
Aside from the setting being about as big a cliche as you could get, especially considering the style of the Assassins, I have yet to see any depictions of Japanese cities at the time that would suit freerunning well, but most of all I don't want AC to turn into an asian martial arts fighting game.



Save for things made my Japanese game companies(which most of these games are unheard of outside of Japan), and the occasional Hollywood movie, Japan is hardly heard of. Sure you think of Ninja's, but most people have the wrong interpretation on the matter.

I don't see how this:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTu102iof2IO3q2c-pXpAcQn6Wd2xI1nT5Ngl2BLxDyEvWzQWYX

Equates to bad free-running. Especially when you throw in the castles:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Himeji_Castle_01s2048.jpg/250px-Himeji_Castle_01s2048.jpg

Which were built in layers to make easier to defend.

Here is the layout of that same castle back in the past:
http://www.powayusd.com/teachers/dsykes/Japan 1.jpg
For a concept of the layers.

Also, if it takes place during and around the Boshin war(which still counts as Feudal Japan), Cities were quickly expanding, and Factories were popping up all over the place.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_martial_arts
Here is a list of Japanese Martial arts, if you notice the martial arts that use hand to hand are Karate, Judo and Aikido. These three did not exist until after the Meiji Period, which was pretty much the end of Feudal Japan. Of those three Judo and Aikido are more about throws and locks, which is kind of how Ezio fights.

Any martial arts belonging in the Koryu period(Those existing back in Feudal Japan) are Sumo(wrestling between fat men),Jujutsu(locks and throws, like how Ezio does melee), Kenjutsu(how to wield a sword), Battojutsu(how to draw a sword), laijutsu and laido(more complex versions of Battojutsu), Naginatajutsu(how to wield a Naginata(it's a spear with a sword on the end)), Sojutsu(how to wield a spear), and Ninjutsu(The art of being a Ninja).

Those training in Ninjunstu were trained to use disguise, escape, concealment, archery, medicine, explosives, and poisons. If that doesn't sound like the Assassin's Order, I don't know what does.


I think the problem is that when you guys think of Feudal Japan you think more of Chinese martial arts movies such as Fearless, Hero, and the like, and less of Japanese movies such as The Hidden Fortress, Seven Samurai, and Ran.

Voltige2011
03-11-2012, 07:08 PM
Save for things made my Japanese game companies(which most of these games are unheard of outside of Japan), and the occasional Hollywood movie, Japan is hardly heard of. Sure you think of Ninja's, but most people have the wrong interpretation on the matter.

I don't see how this:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTu102iof2IO3q2c-pXpAcQn6Wd2xI1nT5Ngl2BLxDyEvWzQWYX

Equates to bad free-running. Especially when you throw in the castles:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Himeji_Castle_01s2048.jpg/250px-Himeji_Castle_01s2048.jpg

Which were built in layers to make easier to defend.

Here is the layout of that same castle back in the past:
http://www.powayusd.com/teachers/dsykes/Japan 1.jpg
For a concept of the layers.

Also, if it takes place during and around the Boshin war(which still counts as Feudal Japan), Cities were quickly expanding, and Factories were popping up all over the place.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_martial_arts
Here is a list of Japanese Martial arts, if you notice the martial arts that use hand to hand are Karate, Judo and Aikido. These three did not exist until after the Meiji Period, which was pretty much the end of Feudal Japan. Of those three Judo and Aikido are more about throws and locks, which is kind of how Ezio fights.

Any martial arts belonging in the Koryu period(Those existing back in Feudal Japan) are Sumo(wrestling between fat men),Jujutsu(locks and throws, like how Ezio does melee), Kenjutsu(how to wield a sword), Battojutsu(how to draw a sword), laijutsu and laido(more complex versions of Battojutsu), Naginatajutsu(how to wield a Naginata(it's a spear with a sword on the end)), Sojutsu(how to wield a spear), and Ninjutsu(The art of being a Ninja).

Those training in Ninjunstu were trained to use disguise, escape, concealment, archery, medicine, explosives, and poisons. If that doesn't sound like the Assassin's Order, I don't know what does.


I think the problem is that when you guys think of Feudal Japan you think more of Chinese martial arts movies such as Fearless, Hero, and the like, and less of Japanese movies such as The Hidden Fortress, Seven Samurai, and Ran.
I think the problem is that nobody knows anything about Asia in general and doesn't want to learn. Basically everything people have said so far is Japan/China is bad for reasons that you just disproved. After that people just go on to say something they have a vague familiarity with.
The reason I don't want it set in Japan though is because I think it would be a giant attention grab for all the anime freaks of the world. I know that I have no knowledge of Japan whatsoever. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure as soon as Ubisoft says something with Japan and Assassin's Creed in the same sentence, thousands of people will just jump out of nowhere and demand that it be exactly like heir favorite anime.
With my limited knowledge of Asia though, I suggest China due to the fact I think China pretty much influenced the rest of the continent. I might be wrong, and I might be right.

Tetsou88
03-11-2012, 07:19 PM
The anime thing is just a sterotype. In terms of Anime's that cover the Feudal Japan period, there are only a handful. One of these is about giant mech's(which would never be in an AC game), so I doubt it would attract many Anime fans.

As I said, the main problem is people get China and Japan confused. China is more like they envision when they think of that time. Japan was totally different.

Ezio technically knows Ninjutsu and Jujutsu, if you were to throw him in a Feudal Japan, he would play just like the Ninja's from that period. The only changes you would have to change is the weapons. He wouldn't be some hand to hand karate chopping machine.

LightRey
03-11-2012, 08:05 PM
Save for things made my Japanese game companies(which most of these games are unheard of outside of Japan), and the occasional Hollywood movie, Japan is hardly heard of. Sure you think of Ninja's, but most people have the wrong interpretation on the matter.

I don't see how this:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTu102iof2IO3q2c-pXpAcQn6Wd2xI1nT5Ngl2BLxDyEvWzQWYX

Equates to bad free-running. Especially when you throw in the castles:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Himeji_Castle_01s2048.jpg/250px-Himeji_Castle_01s2048.jpg

Which were built in layers to make easier to defend.

Here is the layout of that same castle back in the past:
http://www.powayusd.com/teachers/dsykes/Japan 1.jpg
For a concept of the layers.

Also, if it takes place during and around the Boshin war(which still counts as Feudal Japan), Cities were quickly expanding, and Factories were popping up all over the place.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_martial_arts
Here is a list of Japanese Martial arts, if you notice the martial arts that use hand to hand are Karate, Judo and Aikido. These three did not exist until after the Meiji Period, which was pretty much the end of Feudal Japan. Of those three Judo and Aikido are more about throws and locks, which is kind of how Ezio fights.

Any martial arts belonging in the Koryu period(Those existing back in Feudal Japan) are Sumo(wrestling between fat men),Jujutsu(locks and throws, like how Ezio does melee), Kenjutsu(how to wield a sword), Battojutsu(how to draw a sword), laijutsu and laido(more complex versions of Battojutsu), Naginatajutsu(how to wield a Naginata(it's a spear with a sword on the end)), Sojutsu(how to wield a spear), and Ninjutsu(The art of being a Ninja).

Those training in Ninjunstu were trained to use disguise, escape, concealment, archery, medicine, explosives, and poisons. If that doesn't sound like the Assassin's Order, I don't know what does.


I think the problem is that when you guys think of Feudal Japan you think more of Chinese martial arts movies such as Fearless, Hero, and the like, and less of Japanese movies such as The Hidden Fortress, Seven Samurai, and Ran.

The "occasional" Hollywood movie? Don't be ridiculous. Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Jet Li, over 95% of all Japanese manga and anime, etc. All of it is either set in Japan/China or almost completely focused on Asian martial arts.

See those curved rooftops? Horrible for freerunning. Every single one of them. The only of those pictures that is passable is the first, which is a photograph, meaning it's of much more recent times.

I'm not talking about hand-to-hand martial arts. I'm talking about Asian martial arts in general. Asian martial arts are strongly focused on (relatively) acrobatic-like movements completely unlike the fighting style in Assassin's Creed up till now and not in a good way. I don't want the combat to turn into some weird dodgefest where you have to roundhouse kick and jump and make weird twists and turns.

rain89c
03-11-2012, 08:11 PM
The "occasional" Hollywood movie? Don't be ridiculous. Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Jet Li, over 95% of all Japanese manga and anime, etc. All of it is either set in Japan/China or almost completely focused on Asian martial arts.

See those curved rooftops? Horrible for freerunning. Every single one of them. The only of those pictures that is passable is the first, which is a photograph, meaning it's of much more recent times.

I'm not talking about hand-to-hand martial arts. I'm talking about Asian martial arts in general. Asian martial arts are strongly focused on (relatively) acrobatic-like movements completely unlike the fighting style in Assassin's Creed up till now and not in a good way. I don't want the combat to turn into some weird dodgefest where you have to roundhouse kick and jump and make weird twists and turns.

Hasn't every single AC game put its emphasizes on adding more acrobatic-like movements to each new game? Why are you complaining about adding new acrobatic movements to a new game? Why would you only want a new game with the same old abilities? Nobody said anything about taking away the old abilities you so love. They'd just be adding more acrobatic abilities on top of the old ones we already have. <- I dont see any problem here.
There are a bunch of free-runnable rooftops in Japan, you'd be ignorant to say there aren't any or much at all without any evidence to back that claim.

LightRey
03-11-2012, 08:18 PM
Hasn't every single AC game put its emphasizes on adding more acrobatic-like movements to each new game? Why are you complaining about adding new acrobatic movements to a new game? Why would you only want a new game with the same old abilities? Nobody said anything about taking away the old abilities you so love. They'd just be adding more acrobatic abilities on top of the old ones we already have. <- I dont see any problem here.
There are a bunch of free-runnable rooftops in Japan, you'd be ignorant to say there aren't any or much at all without any evidence to back that claim.

No, it really hasn't. The movements in ACR were not any more acrobatic than those in AC1 or did I miss something and can Ezio actually do cartwheels now? I don't want the same abilities, but I don't see how making the movements more like those of Asian martial arts would be an "improvement". It would just be different and with different I mean basically exactly like Tekken but with a more interesting story.

naran6142
03-11-2012, 08:22 PM
Hey rain.... long time no see

gamertam
03-11-2012, 08:25 PM
Not intending to change the focus of the conversion. There was a poll earlier and i'd voted for Russia. I think Russia is an interesting place to explore and would like to experienced. As for Japan i wouldn't mind at all but maybe in another installment. I won't vote for, against or on the fence for this poll.

Tetsou88
03-11-2012, 08:37 PM
The "occasional" Hollywood movie? Don't be ridiculous. Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Jet Li, over 95% of all Japanese manga and anime, etc. All of it is either set in Japan/China or almost completely focused on Asian martial arts.

See those curved rooftops? Horrible for freerunning. Every single one of them. The only of those pictures that is passable is the first, which is a photograph, meaning it's of much more recent times.

I'm not talking about hand-to-hand martial arts. I'm talking about Asian martial arts in general. Asian martial arts are strongly focused on (relatively) acrobatic-like movements completely unlike the fighting style in Assassin's Creed up till now and not in a good way. I don't want the combat to turn into some weird dodgefest where you have to roundhouse kick and jump and make weird twists and turns.

This shows how little you know on the matter. Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, and Jet Li are all Chinese. They all play in movies about Chinese martial arts. On top of that Japanese Manga and Anime hardly cover Feudal Japanese times. Also they're cartoons more or less so of course they're going to have over the top martial arts. Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, and Bleach is nothing like true Japanese Martial arts. Like I said, most people think of over the top Chinese movies, not actual Japanese movies.

That first picture is exactly what the roofs were like in that period. Also most buildings have rafters perfect for Ninja's(and therefore Assassin's)

In terms of martial arts you're still thinking of Chinese martial arts. Round house kicks and jumps are not part of if it. You're also thinking of martial arts for show, which is not what they used to be like.
That's like saying you don't want the game to be in France because of Fencing.

The only exception is Jujutsu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6sZSC66ul4 but can you honestly tell me that that's any different than Ezio plays in AC:R with the hook grapples. If anything it would only play when you do a counter. Not every time you attack.


The whole of point of this is China does not equal Japan. And you're thinking of Chinese Martial arts when thinking of Japan. You have no clue on what Japanese martial arts look like.

Just because China and Japan are Asian does not mean they're the same.

rain89c
03-11-2012, 08:37 PM
No, it really hasn't. The movements in ACR were not any more acrobatic than those in AC1 or did I miss something and can Ezio actually do cartwheels now? I don't want the same abilities, but I don't see how making the movements more like those of Asian martial arts would be an "improvement". It would just be different and with different I mean basically exactly like Tekken but with a more interesting story.
In AC2, they added the climb leap, faster climbing, the jump leap, the object grab 90 degree corner turn, and more acrobatic weapon kills/abilities (double hidden blades, axes, swords, etc)
In ACB, they added the backflip to beam, they changed the combat system to the strike-first-strike-fast to quicken the combat.
in ACR, they added additional acrobatics for midair object grab/jump, charge->flip over enemy ability, the hookblade trip ability, the hookblade zip-lining , and a bunch of other hookblade acrobatic combat moves.
There's a bunch of others that I didn't mention, but you get the point.
Now you say you want new acrobatic moves, but you classify new new acrobatic moves as different, so Im not sure what exactly you want.

Hey rain.... long time no see
Hello to you too. I've been busy with a lot of projects in uni, haven't really visited in a while.

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 08:39 PM
I'd like to see Russia. I suggested this to a friend and they said that it would be an empty game. I disagree.

JumpInTheFire13
03-11-2012, 08:39 PM
Holy ****, yes! I was going to suggest Paris or London, but I've now changed my mind. (What was a big city in Japan back then?)

I was skeptical of this idea at first, but after seeing the pictures, especially the last one, I'm all for it. And a big city during that time in Japan was Edo, which is now known as Tokyo.

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 08:58 PM
I was skeptical of this idea at first, but after seeing the pictures, especially the last one, I'm all for it. And a big city during that time in Japan was Edo, which is now known as Tokyo.

I'm not too big on Paris, but London seems alright.
Off topic: Kony is considered dead and the movement is a scam.

SixKeys
03-11-2012, 09:04 PM
I think Japan is overused in video games. I'm sure they could make it work but I would prefer them to explore countries we haven't seen a million times.

tarrero
03-11-2012, 09:09 PM
I think Japan is overused in video games. I'm sure they could make it work but I would prefer them to explore countries we haven't seen a million times.

Exactly, Feudal Japan is badass, however it is been done THAT many times, it has become cliche, I am sure Ubisoft could pull it off, but I prefer other places.
However I would totally buy a Spinoff.

Tetsou88
03-11-2012, 09:12 PM
I think Japan is overused in video games. I'm sure they could make it work but I would prefer them to explore countries we haven't seen a million times.


Exactly, Feudal Japan is badass, however it is been done THAT many times, it has become cliche, I am sure Ubisoft could pull it off, but I prefer other places.
However I would totally buy a Spinoff.

I fail to see how this setting is over used in games. How many large calibre games like AC take place in Japan? Save for the Shogun 1 & 2, Okami, and a couple of Japanese made games?

How many of these games are free-roam games like AC? Maybe one or two of the obscure Japanese games.


Edit: I'd also like to point out that the Dynasty Warrior games are set in China, in case someone points them out.

Assassin_M
03-11-2012, 09:12 PM
I think Japan is overused in video games. I'm sure they could make it work but I would prefer them to explore countries we haven't seen a million times.
Its not about the Country, its about the time Period..
It doesnt matter how much THE COUNTRY was presented, Its about WHEN..
That can make all the difference..

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 09:18 PM
Its not about the Country, its about the time Period..
It doesnt matter how much THE COUNTRY was presented, Its about WHEN..
That can make all the difference..

THIS ^ I think I've only seen 1 game in feudal japan and that was Inuyasha

tarrero
03-11-2012, 09:24 PM
I fail to see how this setting is over used in games. How many large calibre games like AC take place in Japan? Save for the Shogun 1 & 2, Okami, and a couple of Japanese made games?

How many of these games are free-roam games like AC? Maybe one or two of the obscure Japanese games.


Edit: I'd also like to point out that the Dynasty Warrior games are set in China, in case someone points them out.

It is not about video games only, but the entire concept of ninjas, samurais and katanas it´s been done MANY times, Onimusha Warlords is one of my favorites games EVER, and I as said, Edo era fits AC perfectly, but I prefer other settings for this franchise.

I would totally love if Ubisoft releases a spinn or something.

Japan is cool and fits AC, but please, NO MORE EDO OR SENGOKU, I prefer Meiji or taisho over those two in fact.

SixKeys
03-11-2012, 09:28 PM
I fail to see how this setting is over used in games. How many large calibre games like AC take place in Japan? Save for the Shogun 1 & 2, Okami, and a couple of Japanese made games?

Quite a few, actually:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_games_set_in_feudal_Japan

Not to mention games that aren't exactly set in the historical feudal Japan but an alternate reality very much like it. A lot of Japanese fighting games do this.

It doesn't matter if it's a large caliber game or not or whether it's free-roam like AC. If I don't care about feudal Japan, period, I'm not going to care about it any more if it's free-roam. You could just as well ask: "Well, how many free-roam, parkour, stealth, half-sci-fi-half-history games have been set in WWII ?". The answer is "not that many", but I still wouldn't want an AC game that takes place during WWII because it's a period in history that's overused.

ACSineQuaNon
03-11-2012, 09:29 PM
This shows how little you know on the matter. Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, and Jet Li are all Chinese. They all play in movies about Chinese martial arts. On top of that Japanese Manga and Anime hardly cover Feudal Japanese times. Also they're cartoons more or less so of course they're going to have over the top martial arts. Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, and Bleach is nothing like true Japanese Martial arts. Like I said, most people think of over the top Chinese movies, not actual Japanese movies.

That first picture is exactly what the roofs were like in that period. Also most buildings have rafters perfect for Ninja's(and therefore Assassin's)

In terms of martial arts you're still thinking of Chinese martial arts. Round house kicks and jumps are not part of if it. You're also thinking of martial arts for show, which is not what they used to be like.
That's like saying you don't want the game to be in France because of Fencing.

The only exception is Jujutsu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6sZSC66ul4 but can you honestly tell me that that's any different than Ezio plays in AC:R with the hook grapples. If anything it would only play when you do a counter. Not every time you attack.


The whole of point of this is China does not equal Japan. And you're thinking of Chinese Martial arts when thinking of Japan. You have no clue on what Japanese martial arts look like.

Just because China and Japan are Asian does not mean they're the same.

Owned

inb4 "but still...blah blah blah"

tarrero
03-11-2012, 09:33 PM
AS I said, Japan is a very interesting country, but please, no more Edo or Sengoku, I would rather play Meiji or Taisho periods instead.

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 09:33 PM
Woah... I just realized I don't understand why there is a problem if a setting is overused.

rain89c
03-11-2012, 09:36 PM
Its not about the Country, its about the time Period..
It doesnt matter how much THE COUNTRY was presented, Its about WHEN..
That can make all the difference..

+1


This shows how little you know on the matter. Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, and Jet Li are all Chinese. They all play in movies about Chinese martial arts. On top of that Japanese Manga and Anime hardly cover Feudal Japanese times. Also they're cartoons more or less so of course they're going to have over the top martial arts. Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, and Bleach is nothing like true Japanese Martial arts. Like I said, most people think of over the top Chinese movies, not actual Japanese movies.

That first picture is exactly what the roofs were like in that period. Also most buildings have rafters perfect for Ninja's(and therefore Assassin's)

In terms of martial arts you're still thinking of Chinese martial arts. Round house kicks and jumps are not part of if it. You're also thinking of martial arts for show, which is not what they used to be like.
That's like saying you don't want the game to be in France because of Fencing.

The only exception is Jujutsu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6sZSC66ul4 but can you honestly tell me that that's any different than Ezio plays in AC:R with the hook grapples. If anything it would only play when you do a counter. Not every time you attack.


The whole of point of this is China does not equal Japan. And you're thinking of Chinese Martial arts when thinking of Japan. You have no clue on what Japanese martial arts look like.

Just because China and Japan are Asian does not mean they're the same.
+1

Assassin_M
03-11-2012, 09:37 PM
Woah... I just realized I don't understand why there is a problem if a setting is overused.
Think of it like this...
If at home you always eat Steak for dinner, and then one day you`re invited to a friend`s house for a feast and its steak..What would you say ?

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 09:40 PM
Think of it like this...
If at home you always eat Steak for dinner, and then one day you`re invited to a friend`s house for a feast and its steak..What would you say ?

ha ha ha... I'm a vegan and eat the same thing for every meal every day... ha ha ha.

Now if I replace what you said with tofu, I get --If at home you always eat tofu for dinner, and then one day you`re invited to a friend`s house for a feast and its tofu..What would you say ?
uh... Awesome!

tarrero
03-11-2012, 09:41 PM
Japan history is very interesting, thats what I said Yes to Japan, but NO to Sengoku or Edo.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-11-2012, 09:43 PM
Think of it like this...
If at home you always eat Steak for dinner, and then one day you`re invited to a friend`s house for a feast and its steak..What would you say ?

''how did you know my favorite!!!""

Tetsou88
03-11-2012, 09:43 PM
Quite a few, actually:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_games_set_in_feudal_Japan

Not to mention games that aren't exactly set in the historical feudal Japan but an alternate reality very much like it. A lot of Japanese fighting games do this.

It doesn't matter if it's a large caliber game or not or whether it's free-roam like AC. If I don't care about feudal Japan, period, I'm not going to care about it any more if it's free-roam. You could just as well ask: "Well, how many free-roam, parkour, stealth, half-sci-fi-half-history games have been set in WWII ?". The answer is "not that many", but I still wouldn't want an AC game that takes place during WWII because it's a period in history that's overused.


Those games are mostly all made by Japanese Companies. So of course there are a lot of them. Just like there are a lot of games about conflicts that America took place in by American Game Designers. And several of those games are on consoles older than the PS2. Just because several exist does not mean it's "Over-done". Ninja's may appear all over the place, but then again so do Assassin's. SO that's not a fair comparison either. Also as I stated, half the games in that category like Omnishua are about fighting demons or other supernatural aspects.

My point is that there are few games set in Feudal Japan that take on a Historical down to earth aspect(as much as AC is down to earth). Save for the two games in the Total War series, and those are both RTS.

Assassin_M
03-11-2012, 09:45 PM
ha ha ha... I'm a vegan and eat the same thing for every meal every day... ha ha ha.

Now if I replace what you said with tofu, I get --If at home you always eat tofu for dinner, and then one day you`re invited to a friend`s house for a feast and its tofu..What would you say ?
uh... Awesome!
The "ha ha ha" was`nt necessary..
Ok then, not eating..
How about a T.V Show ?
If your favorite show airs a new episode once a week and replays the same episode the rest of the week... would you watch the replay over and over again ? or would you want to see the new episode ?

tarrero
03-11-2012, 09:45 PM
My point is that there are few games set in Feudal Japan that take on a Historical down to earth aspect(as much as AC is down to earth). Save for the two games in the Total War series, and those are both RTS.

The problem is not Japan itself , or historal accuracy, the MAIN reason is to see Ninjas/samurais again and again and on and on...

Moryarity
03-11-2012, 09:49 PM
I agree. They probably would be able to find a way to avoid cliches, but really, think about it. They're just not going to be able to avoid martial arts.

Why not?!? Or even better, why should they? They are using martila arts right now in AC2 and AC:B and AC:R..or what do you think that Ezio ist doing all the time, when he is doing combos?!?


Even if the main character wasn't Asian himself, he'd still be fighting Asians, at the very least some Samurais.[/(Quote]

He could also be an English guy fighting Portuguese ;)

[Quote]The structures seem terrible to me to. I really can't imagine freerunning on buildings like that, especially not from building to building.

Ahm..you do know, that in cities like Kyoto there lived more people like in the whole of England at that time?!? Feudal Japan was a crowded place. The big cities were crowded with people and very closely built buildings..it would be perfect for free-running from building to building...in contrast to a not nearly as populated America in the 1790s ;)


I would love to see an AC game in feudal japan :D

Assassin_M
03-11-2012, 09:49 PM
The problem is not Japan itself , or historal accuracy, the MAIN reason is to see Ninjas/samurais again and again and on and on...
You have a problem with extreme badass-ism and agility using any sharp tool ?

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 09:52 PM
I guess I'd watch the new episode, but this comparison isn't 1:1. Games change. There are different stories, different views of feudal japan, different characters, different gameplay, so much that's different. Though, you can wind up with similar characters, stories, gameplay maybe, etc., but if done right, it can be great. You have to avoid the cliche.

Tetsou88
03-11-2012, 09:55 PM
The "ha ha ha" was`nt necessary..
Ok then, not eating..
How about a T.V Show ?
If your favorite show airs a new episode once a week and replays the same episode the rest of the week... would you watch the replay over and over again ? or would you want to see the new episode ?

That analogy doesn't quite work. It would be more like "If you're watching you're favorite show, and a new one with the same setting came on, would you want to watch the other one?"



As for the Samurai thing being over done, save for thew few games that I've pointed out aren't quite that popular, and the Shogun, how often do you see Samurais? And by that I mean actual samurai's. Ninjas are all over the place(I agree, but so are assassins), but you hardly see Samurais.

Also in a Japanese AC you'd be fighting more Ashigaru(farmers with weapons) than Samurai. Samurai would be the equivalent to Papal Guards.

Edit: Also Samurai are no different than Knights, are you tired of Knights too?

tarrero
03-11-2012, 09:56 PM
You have a problem with extreme badass-ism and agility using any sharp tool ?

No, I as wrote before, the whole AC concept suits perfectly with Feudal Japan concept, and I dont mind if previous game, movies, animes, etc etc the history has not been portrayed exactly, Feudal Japan, and not the country itself, tires me,.....

I would prefer other Periods such as Taisho or Meiji....

SolidSage
03-11-2012, 09:56 PM
Well Japan as a game setting first makes me think of Onimusha and then Tenchu (that was Japan right?) and personally the rooftops in those games were kinda boring, long and even or square and even, little in common with AC games so far.
But if it was like Naruto anime and all out and about in the trees and stuff, well that might be good.

You know, if they had asked 'Jerusalem?' prior to AC1 I would likely have seen little worth, but Ubi does it better than my imagination every time.

How about future Japan all Ghost In The Shell ish. You're going to tell me that was China aren't you?

Assassin_M
03-11-2012, 09:58 PM
No, I as wrote before, the whole AC concept suits perfectly with Feudal Japan concept, and I dont mind if previous game, movies, animes, etc etc the history has not been portrayed exactly, Feudal Japan, and not the country itself, tires me,.....

I would prefer other Periods such as Taisho or Meiji....
Ah ok, Thanks for clearing that up..

Acrimonious_Nin
03-11-2012, 09:59 PM
lol ninjas and martial arts...as if they did...anyone here that knows the story of the samurai who fled from a losing battle to avoid seppuku(in my opinion good way of firing people :p, but still inhumane practice disguised by a veil of 'honor' bs) and bumped into warrior-monks that were escaping prosicution ''for being free-thinkers and religious' knows that ninjas (as far as iga and koga are) only knew no more about martial arts than what was taught from the experiences of former samurai who passed down military strategy...martial arts would be no problem...it looks like people here think bruce lee is gonna be in the game :p lol ...sorry but no....

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 10:00 PM
How about future Japan all Ghost In The Shell ish. You're going to tell me that was China aren't you?
Many people have problems bringing AC into the future. It's best not to go there.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-11-2012, 10:04 PM
How about future Japan all Ghost In The Shell ish. You're going to tell me that was China aren't you?


lol that defeats the purpose of a historical game.....they push it by have a modern day assassins anyway its the history that takes this game forward ...not a confused bar tendor who just realized he in fact has a reponsibilty as an assassin.... :p .... a.k.a lazy generation

Tetsou88
03-11-2012, 10:05 PM
Well Japan as a game setting first makes me think of Onimusha and then Tenchu (that was Japan right?) and personally the rooftops in those games were kinda boring, long and even or square and even, little in common with AC games so far.
But if it was like Naruto anime and all out and about in the trees and stuff, well that might be good.

You know, if they had asked 'Jerusalem?' prior to AC1 I would likely have seen little worth, but Ubi does it better than my imagination every time.

How about future Japan all Ghost In The Shell ish. You're going to tell me that was China aren't you?


Ghost in the Shell and Tenchu are both in Japan.

Tenchu is not an accurate portrayal though.

SolidSage
03-11-2012, 10:07 PM
I hear you all about future Creed being a no no but I'm not talking about any specific entry as such, and assuming rather tht there will be a multitude of future Creed titles. That being the case I have no problem with taking the wonderful acrobatic and visceral engine to all kinds of locations, like Japan or the future or the moon or your Mom's living room. Just imagine the carnage.

Assassin_M
03-11-2012, 10:15 PM
I hear you all about future Creed being a no no but I'm not talking about any specific entry as such, and assuming rather tht there will be a multitude of future Creed titles. That being the case I have no problem with taking the wonderful acrobatic and visceral engine to all kinds of locations, like Japan or the future or the moon or your Mom's living room. Just imagine the carnage.
Personal comments arent Necessary..

Acrimonious_Nin
03-11-2012, 10:17 PM
the moon or your Mom's living room. Just imagine the carnage.

:O hey buddy just to let you know it would be apocolypse on your little wet dream fantasies...now for Mom's living room then ok you may have that room ...just stay the heck away from the kitchen ****ercup ;)

tooshycup *....just doesn't deliver the message u.u

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 10:24 PM
So... what would the assassins be? Ninjas?

LightRey
03-11-2012, 10:26 PM
Why not?!? Or even better, why should they? They are using martila arts right now in AC2 and AC:B and AC:R..or what do you think that Ezio ist doing all the time, when he is doing combos?!?

He could also be an English guy fighting Portuguese ;)



Ahm..you do know, that in cities like Kyoto there lived more people like in the whole of England at that time?!? Feudal Japan was a crowded place. The big cities were crowded with people and very closely built buildings..it would be perfect for free-running from building to building...in contrast to a not nearly as populated America in the 1790s ;)


I would love to see an AC game in feudal japan :D

Nice how you took 2 of my sentences completely out of context and tried to counter the points they discussed in ways that said context contradicts.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-11-2012, 10:28 PM
So... what would the assassins be? Ninjas?

yes...if you look up the real def of the name ninja or even more accurate shinobi no mono - to live on, survive, sneaky person...all depending on context of the situation it parallels with the assassins way in a way >_> so yes

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 11:14 PM
Anyone know of people who were assassinated in feudal japan. ( I know, really broad.)

SolidSage
03-11-2012, 11:26 PM
Personal comments arent Necessary..

How can a comment relate to everybody on the planet and be personal at the same time? Not arguing the point but what a conundrum.

SolidSage
03-11-2012, 11:33 PM
:O hey buddy just to let you know it would be apocolypse on your little wet dream fantasies...now for Mom's living room then ok you may have that room ...just stay the heck away from the kitchen ****ercup ;)

tooshycup *....just doesn't deliver the message u.u

When I do have wet dreams (which is never), they're not little. I appreciate you defending your Mom but I'm not talking about YOUR Mom in particular, or anyone else's. But referring to Mom as the overarching entity She is, and in my childhood, trashing around the living room was how it was. I would have been air assassinating off the mantlepiece if I had only been able to imagine it. I don't know what the comment made some of you imagine but I don't think I like it or want to be assocuated with it in any way. I meant what I meant, not what you may have thought I meant.

But er cup.

Assassin_M
03-11-2012, 11:36 PM
When I do have wet dreams (which is never), they're not little. I appreciate you defending your Mom but I'm not talking about YOUR Mom in particular, or anyone else's. But referring to Mom as the overarching entity She is, and in my childhood, trashing around the living room was how it was. I would have been air assassinating off the mantlepiece if I had only been able to imagine it. I don't know what the comment made some of you imagine but I don't think I like it or want to be assocuated with it in any way. I meant what I meant, not what you may have thought I meant.

But er cup.
This is exactly why I said that these comments arent Necessary...
It`s context can be taken as an attack or insult, how would someone know what you really meant ?
Im sorry I do not mean to seem authoritarian..

SolidSage
03-11-2012, 11:45 PM
I agree. But we can spend our days censoring every little thing we do and say so as not to be misconstrued by someone else's interpretation to the point of never saying what we mean. Granted, sometimes it requires explanation. So following basic rules of civility makes sense, the comment was about a location, small in nature that most of us all know, even though that location is different for each of us. It was about the 'living room', not who it belonged to. A basic visualization of a location we all know. If there was a Dad in mine I might have said your Father's living room. Saying "your living room" doesn't capture the childlike visualization of awesomeness that the living room in question could have been.

I hope I didn't irk any Astronauts with the Moon comment.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-12-2012, 12:02 AM
I agree. But we can spend our days censoring every little thing we do and say so as not to be misconstrued by someone else's interpretation to the point of never saying what we mean. Granted, sometimes it requires explanation. So following basic rules of civility makes sense, the comment was about a location, small in nature that most of us all know, even though that location is different for each of us. It was about the 'living room', not who it belonged to. A basic visualization of a location we all know. If there was a Dad in mine I might have said your Father's living room. Saying "your living room" doesn't capture the childlike visualization of awesomeness that the living room in question could have been.

I hope I didn't irk any Astronauts with the Moon comment.

this guy is clearly a troll he need to stop TRYING so hard and go to the halo forums or something .. :D

SolidSage
03-12-2012, 12:10 AM
Oh not the 'T' word. Go play some more COD.

Assassin_M
03-12-2012, 12:12 AM
this guy is clearly a troll he need to stop TRYING so hard and go to the halo forums or something .. :D
He didnt do anything..

Acrimonious_Nin
03-12-2012, 12:15 AM
Oh not the 'T' word. Go play some more COD.

lol which one(t word that is if you need help) hahah are you ok? lol sorry if I misunderstood you :D lets get over it ? lol sound nice

SolidSage
03-12-2012, 12:15 AM
This is exactly why I said that these comments arent Necessary...
It`s context can be taken as an attack or insult, how would someone know what you really meant ?
Im sorry I do not mean to seem authoritarian..

It appears that (with assistance) your point has been effectively proved. You, were right.

Black_Widow9
03-12-2012, 01:15 AM
Please post this here-
Beyond ACIII (http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/662609)
Thanks ;)