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twenty_glyphs
03-06-2012, 10:45 PM
At the end of the AC3 trailer, you can see a pretty large city just up the hill from the battlefield. I'm no expert, but I can't figure out what city this is. The city is clearly on the ocean and not a river, and has a good number of large ships docked. I'm assuming that this part of the trailer no longer fits the "Mohawk Valley 1777" label because the Mohawk Valley is much further inland from the ocean. It doesn't look like New York or Boston, because both of those cities are in harbors and don't have a wide view of the ocean like you can see here. If it was one of those cities, I would expect to see other landmasses in the ocean. I'm thinking the trailer just took a lot of artistic license and took a city from the game, possibly Boston, and placed it next to a battlefield with a clear view of the ocean. What do you think?

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/5599/ac3city.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/826/ac3city.jpg/)

eagleforlife1
03-06-2012, 10:45 PM
It's New York. Mohawk Valley is in New York. I would imagine that the battle is a representation of the Battle of Saratoga.

Mystichobo.O
03-06-2012, 10:48 PM
Possibly Charlestown?

eagleforlife1
03-06-2012, 10:52 PM
Possibly Charlestown?

Charlestown is in Massachusetts whilst Mohawk Valley is in New York.

rileypoole1234
03-06-2012, 10:55 PM
New York. Boston probably will be bigger. There's the Common, and the harbor, so I think Boston should be the biggest of the cities, but that all depends if Philadelphia is in the game. I'd just like Boston to be the biggest since I'm the most familiar with it and been there the most. New York is nice though, just not as friendly

Rycay
03-06-2012, 10:56 PM
To me at first glance it looked like an encampment, but now that I looked a little longer it might be a town.

Oddjob626
03-06-2012, 10:57 PM
My guess would be Schenectady Albany because those are cities along the mohawk river (if this is the mohawk valley)

twenty_glyphs
03-06-2012, 10:58 PM
This may well be the Battle of Saratoga, but that city is not Saratoga. Saratoga is very far inland, and this city has large, sea-faring ships docked. I also don't think it was even near this big. I'm thinking artistic license was taken one way or another -- either the city was merged with the surrounding Frontier area just to get a cool view of a city in the trailer, or the "Mohawk Valley 1777" setting only applies to the start of the trailer, not the end where this shot is. Either way, I'm pleased with the size of the city, if not the verticality. Of all the cities I've seen during this era, Philadelphia seems to be the tallest with several tall church towers.

Xenoxin
03-07-2012, 09:01 AM
I don't know where you got the picture from but I have the same shot here and several things look different. The canons on the left side, the horse between the lines, Connor's left leg, trees in the bottom of the picture and probably most noticeable there isn't an ocean directly behind it.


http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/3014/acbattleoverview.png

ace3001
03-07-2012, 09:08 AM
I don't know where you got the picture from but I have the same shot here and several things look different. The canons on the left side, the horse between the lines, Connor's left leg, trees in the bottom of the picture and probably most noticeable there isn't an ocean directly behind it.


http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/3014/acbattleoverview.png

Watch trailer in 1920x1080 (aka 1080p), and you'll see many things clearer, like in the first post.

Moultonborough
03-07-2012, 09:11 AM
What about the Rochester or Buffalo area? Both have large bodies of water next to them. It can't be Boston because you would see The Cape in the distance.

Xenoxin
03-07-2012, 09:19 AM
Watch trailer in 1920x1080 (aka 1080p), and you'll see many things clearer, like in the first post.

I did but I resized the picture to the same size as in the first post, both pictures are 800x450.

Here is the 1080p version: http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8806/acbattleoverviewhd.jpg

ace3001
03-07-2012, 09:51 AM
Oh, I see... Well, time for Google Image Search. :D

Xenoxin
03-07-2012, 10:47 AM
I think I've found the source: http://assassinscreed.ubi.com/ac3/en-us/index.aspx

ace3001
03-07-2012, 12:41 PM
I think I've found the source: http://assassinscreed.ubi.com/ac3/en-us/index.aspxI don't see the pic there. :(

Xenoxin
03-07-2012, 01:34 PM
Well after you filled in your birthday and click submit you should be forwarded to the homepage.
The first thing you should see is that image in a video frame.

ace3001
03-07-2012, 02:13 PM
The video frame was black for me... Must be something wrong on my end, I guess.

brick177
03-07-2012, 02:34 PM
I'm going to look at the timeline again. New York was the largest city at the time, not Boston. I've seen rendering of NYC at the time, and this is way too small to be New York. It isn't the right shape to be Boston which is on a peninsula. While the Mohawk Valley is in New York State it is pretty far from New York City. Albany is in the Mohawk Valley but the body of water is huge, so this can't be in the Mohawk Valley, which is a river valley and not close to any large body of water. The red line on this map is the Mohawk Valley:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3210/3093864549_53285f414f_o.jpg

The white blob on the right edge is Boston. THe white blob at the coast on the bottom right is New York City / Long Island

brick177
03-07-2012, 02:51 PM
He's the screenshot of Boston, so it isn't Boston...

http://gamedrillz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/AC3_12.jpg

twenty_glyphs
03-07-2012, 03:53 PM
I don't know where you got the picture from but I have the same shot here and several things look different. The canons on the left side, the horse between the lines, Connor's left leg, trees in the bottom of the picture and probably most noticeable there isn't an ocean directly behind it.

You're right that I got the image from the thumbnail that the official site shows for the video, because it's a little clearer there than in any of the video versions. But your version still shows the ocean exactly the same. You can see a wave rolling in. I'm definitely thinking they used a ton of artistic license for this shot in the trailer, and this is altered geography from the real game. I guess they could have even created a fake city just for the trailer, but that sounds like a lot of extra work for not much impact.

localdude098
03-07-2012, 04:05 PM
The quote the Washington says before the battle begins, "The time is now near at hand..." was said to rally his troops at the Battle of Long Island. I'm not sure if they just used the quote for good measure or if it was telling us exactly when and where it was happening. It was the first major conflict after the US declared itself a sovereign nation.

brick177
03-07-2012, 04:06 PM
It is probably a battle in or around New York City, maybe the Battle of White Plains? Long Island Sound is several miles wide, and could look like an ocean depending on the perspective.

brick177
03-07-2012, 04:08 PM
The quote the Washington says before the battle begins, "The time is now near at hand..." was said to rally his troops at the Battle of Long Island. I'm not sure if they just used the quote for good measure or if it was telling us exactly when and where it was happening. It was the first major conflict after the US declared itself a sovereign nation.

I thought of this too, because of the Rallying Speech. But the battle of long island was in August, and the trailer has snow... Also not in the Mohawk Valley, so maybe it is just a whole bunch of inconsistent stuff melted together to be exactly what it is, a teaser?

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/willow/the-path-towards-american-independence0.gif

brick177
03-07-2012, 04:16 PM
Here's a better one. LET THE CITY/BATTLE SEARCH BEGIN!

http://kcjohnson.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/amrevbattles1.jpg

Xenoxin
03-07-2012, 05:19 PM
I have been doing some research and it turns out that Washington only fought two battles in winter conditions in 1777 he went to winter quarters after the Battle of Princeton on the 3rd of January and he left them halfway April. After the Battle of Germantown on the 4th of October he went into winter quartes again in Valley Forge.

So only two battles remain:

- 2nd January - The Second Battle of Trenton (aka Battle of Assunpink Creek)
- 3rd January - Battle of Princeton

The Battle of Assunpink Creek took place a few miles outside Trenton with American Forces on the south and British Forces in the North.
So that places Trenton and the Delaware River in the west and in this case Connor in the east.
http://www.completegeeknetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/03mJk.jpg

Now look at the middle part of this banner. Some of you may know this is an offical banner from Ubisoft used on the GameInformer website. This is Connor added to the painting Washington Crossing the Delaware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Crossing_the_Delaware) (1851), by Emanuel Leutze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Leutze). This crossing happened on the 26th of December 1776. This places Connor in the area just a week before the battle!!!

GeneralTrumbo
03-07-2012, 05:28 PM
I have been doing some research and it turns out that Washington only fought two battles in winter conditions in 1777 he went to winter quarters after the Battle of Princeton on the 3rd of January and he left them halfway April. After the Battle of Germantown on the 4th of October he went into winter quartes again in Valley Forge.

So only two battles remain:

- 2nd January - The Second Battle of Trenton (aka Battle of Assunpink Creek)
- 3rd January - Battle of Princeton

The Battle of Assunpink Creek took place a few miles outside Trenton with American Forces on the south and British Forces in the North.
So that places Trenton and the Delaware River in the west and in this case Connor in the east.
http://www.completegeeknetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/03mJk.jpg

Now look at the middle part of this banner. Some of you may know this is an offical banner from Ubisoft used on the GameInformer website. This is Connor added to the painting Washington Crossing the Delaware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Crossing_the_Delaware) (1851), by Emanuel Leutze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Leutze). This crossing happened on the 26th of December 1776. This places Connor in the area just a week before the battle!!!
The Battle of Trenton seems to be closer to an ocean, out of these 2 choices.

Xenoxin
03-07-2012, 05:32 PM
Not sure if it's actually an ocean I think it's the Delaware River

GeneralTrumbo
03-07-2012, 05:33 PM
Not sure if it's actually an ocean I think it's the Delaware River
Is the Delaware River really that big?

LightRey
03-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Not sure if it's actually an ocean I think it's the Delaware River

Those ships aren't meant to sail on rivers. That can really only be the ocean.

brick177
03-07-2012, 05:38 PM
The Delaware is 1000 ft (300m) wide at Trenton. Measured on google earth.

The river is navigable near the mouth where it is almost 8 km wide and becomes Delaware Bay.

In fact, it is navigable for ships up to Philadelphia, and then navigable for small barges and boats up to Trenton where the first rapids are.

Also, you could potentially have snow from late October to early April in many of these areas especially back then with the "little ice age". So it doesn't necessarily have to be in the dead of winter.