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KJGPlay
03-06-2012, 06:46 PM
Most should have seen the interview with Creative Director Alex Hutchinson at Game Informer.

Some of you may have noticed a particular flag in the background at the ubisoft studios Hutchinson was interviewed in, but may have thought nothing of it.

http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/ubisoft/assassinscreed3/AlexH610.jpg

Here's the possible spoiler:

That's the flag of the East India Company, real life super villains who did their utmost to rule the world in their own way.

Cracked.com has a hilarious take on them and dub them their No#1 real life super villain.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18931_6-supervillains-from-history-that-make-joker-look-subtle_p2.html


If you remember anything from American history class, you know the East India Co., often called the British East India Co. It was this organization's nefarious attempt to monopolize the tea industry in the American colonies that led to the Tea Act and the Boston Tea Party. If you don't remember history class, well, then, you know them as the bad guys in the Pirates of the Caribbean films (Note: The true story does not involve a pirate with an octopus for a face).

But that's just one tale in the larger story of an evil corporation that secretly ruled the world for over 200 years.

Read the rest on the link above. They were instrumental in the opium drug trade, and an easy conspiracy can be made that they were Templars set out to continue their New World Order. They provoked two wars between China and Britain which they were able to profit and benefit from, so they'd likely benefit and a profit on a war between the American colony and that of the Royal British Government and Military.

Thoughts?

D.I.D.
03-06-2012, 06:55 PM
Oh yes, that's a fascinating history. There are all kinds of weird things about that company, not least that they kind of blinked out of existence for a while. Their finances accounted for a huge chunk of the entire world's wealth, and it's not clear where all that money went. Shenanigans!

Radman500
03-06-2012, 06:59 PM
Britain went to war with China. Did not know. who won the war between them

brick177
03-06-2012, 07:01 PM
It is actually the "Grand Union" flag which was similar to the East India Flag but is actually an early flag of the United States. I bet there's a connection there between the United States being a Country Established by the East India Company??? That could be interesting.

Grand Union Flag has a square British Flag
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Grand_Union_Flag.svg/800px-Grand_Union_Flag.svg.png

East India Flag has a rectangular British Flag in it:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Flag_of_the_British_East_India_Company_(1707).svg/800px-Flag_of_the_British_East_India_Company_(1707).svg. png

D.I.D.
03-06-2012, 07:04 PM
Britain went to war with China. Did not know. who won the war between them

Wasn't just the British. They "won", in a sense, but demanded compensation from the Chinese for the uprising too. It's complicated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_rebellion

Ugly business.

Goxxi
03-06-2012, 07:04 PM
Most should have seen the interview with Creative Director Alex Hutchinson at Game Informer.

Some of you may have noticed a particular flag in the background at the ubisoft studios Hutchinson was interviewed in, but may have thought nothing of it.

http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/ubisoft/assassinscreed3/AlexH610.jpg

Here's the possible spoiler:

That's the flag of the East India Company, real life super villains who did their utmost to rule the world in their own way.

Cracked.com has a hilarious take on them and dub them their No#1 real life super villain.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18931_6-supervillains-from-history-that-make-joker-look-subtle_p2.html



Read the rest on the link above. They were instrumental in the opium drug trade, and an easy conspiracy can be made that they were Templars set out to continue their New World Order. They provoked two wars between China and Britain which they were able to profit and benefit from, so they'd likely benefit and a profit on a war between the American colony and that of the Royal British Government and Military.

Thoughts?

wooow , great notice man, well done ; )

freddie_1897
03-06-2012, 07:06 PM
the difference between fictional villains wanting to rule the world and the east empire company wanting to rule the world is that the East empire company succeeded. and I've got 2 things to say...
1. The East Empire company bin skyrim was based on the east empire company
2. do not for one second think that all the brits were part of the East empire company as this is not true

freddie_1897
03-06-2012, 07:08 PM
It is actually the "Grand Union" flag which was similar to the East India Flag but is actually an early flag of the United States. I bet there's a connection there between the United States being a Country Established by the East India Company??? That could be interesting.

Grand Union Flag has a square British Flag
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Grand_Union_Flag.svg/800px-Grand_Union_Flag.svg.png

East India Flag has a rectangular British Flag in it:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Flag_of_the_British_East_India_Company_(1707).svg/800px-Flag_of_the_British_East_India_Company_(1707).svg. png
no, the flag in the video was the east empire company flag, its just on its side which makes it look like the grand union flag, look at it, its not square

LightRey
03-06-2012, 07:14 PM
no, the flag in the video was the east empire company flag, its just on its side which makes it look like the grand union flag, look at it, its not square

You sure? Looks pretty square to me.

KJGPlay
03-06-2012, 07:23 PM
It's hard to tell, and it was only intuitive guessing on my part. I could be completely wrong, but it's fun to speculate! :)

freddie_1897
03-06-2012, 07:30 PM
hang on, the flag in the video is wrong, if you rotate it to be horizontal then the union jack is in the wrong place

LieutenantJojo
03-06-2012, 07:30 PM
You sure? Looks pretty square to me.

Same here. Just look at the cross.

KJGPlay
03-06-2012, 07:41 PM
hang on, the flag in the video is wrong, if you rotate it to be horizontal then the union jack is in the wrong place

There's two sides to a flag. What we see is the 'back' side, so it's inverted. The same thing happens with all flags, including the Stars and Stripes.

Something that makes me think it's the East India Company flag and not the Grand Union flag, is it's not used in the video trailer we saw. We saw the full British Union flag, and we saw the stripes and the circle of stars flag of the revolutionaries.

KJGPlay
03-06-2012, 07:50 PM
Having said that, the game is set in 1777, and I don't think that became the East India Flag until 1801 (according to Wikipedia) - although it is possible AC3 spans multiple decades, as previous ACs have (especially AC2).

EDIT: I misread the Wikipedia, that was the flag used by EIC from 1707-1800 when it was modified to include the flag of St Patrick.

Previously the EIC flag looked like this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R_mxnJlOz0k/TbkKOmcNPhI/AAAAAAAAAFE/2FMw5e6648Y/s400/images.jpg

Here's an interesting history of the American flag, that mentions debate on whether the Grand Union flag was based on the EIC flag. Brick177 mentions this below.

http://sonoflibertywalk.blogspot.com/2010/09/evolution-of-american-flag-part-ii.html

brick177
03-06-2012, 07:55 PM
Wikipedia says it is the EIC flag from 1707-1801.

Also, something on the connection:

http://flagspot.net/flags/gb-eic2.html

KJGPlay
03-06-2012, 08:01 PM
That settles it ... East India Company eventually goes on to become Abstergo LOL :cool:

SixKeys
03-06-2012, 08:05 PM
That settles it ... East India Company eventually goes on to become Abstergo LOL :cool:

It all makes sense now. :eek:

brick177
03-06-2012, 08:33 PM
*Throws Parade*

KJGPlay
03-06-2012, 08:48 PM
Actually, isn't Abstergo's front that of a pharmaceutical company? EIC and the opium trade ties in even more nicely then. EIC dissolves in 1874, 'The Plan' was formed in 1910, Abstergo founded 1937.

LightRey
03-06-2012, 09:00 PM
*Throws Parade*

*rains on it*

brick177
03-06-2012, 09:02 PM
*rains on it*

=(

freddie_1897
03-06-2012, 10:08 PM
**** it, why are we brits so evil? I hate myself!

freddie_1897
03-06-2012, 10:09 PM
****ing censors!

freddie_1897
03-06-2012, 10:10 PM
​blaaagggggghhhhhhh

Mystichobo.O
03-06-2012, 10:46 PM
Wasn't just the British. They "won", in a sense, but demanded compensation from the Chinese for the uprising too. It's complicated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_rebellion

Ugly business.

That's not the one in question. This was the one where the EIC manipulated both China and Britain into war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

rileypoole1234
03-06-2012, 11:11 PM
The flag in the video isn't the East Indian flag, it's the Grand Union flag. The Union Jack on it is a perfect square, not a rectangle.

D.I.D.
03-06-2012, 11:18 PM
That's not the one in question. This was the one where the EIC manipulated both China and Britain into war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

I was just linking to the Boxer Rebellion as it was the last gasp of the conflict, and the poster wanted to know how it all ended. All the same situation of opium and silver trading.

TorQue1988
03-06-2012, 11:21 PM
It's hard to tell, and it was only intuitive guessing on my part. I could be completely wrong, but it's fun to speculate! :)
It looks rectangular to me so i guess you are right, But we will have to wait and see...
Good job noticing it by the way.

KJGPlay
03-07-2012, 12:32 AM
Thanks.

And if the East India Company aren't Templars, and play no role in AC3 ... I've just given ubisoft the perfect idea for 'AC3: Brotherhood' :p

The13Doctors
03-07-2012, 01:46 AM
the difference between fictional villains wanting to rule the world and the east empire company wanting to rule the world is that the East empire company succeeded. and I've got 2 things to say...
1. The East Empire company bin skyrim was based on the east empire company
2. do not for one second think that all the brits were part of the East empire company as this is not true

Well we know that the Templars currently rule the world, maybe that is Abstergo! We can be witnessing the rise of the Templars, under that name, later Abstergo

iNEEDSmeINSIDES
03-07-2012, 10:00 AM
The flag in the interview video appears to have only three stripes under the King's Colours, which would mean that it is the Grand Union Flag.

Although, the Union Jack does look to be rectangular; it could simply be the perspective at which we are viewing it or it could be deliberately/unintentionally an amalgamation of the two.

KJGPlay
03-07-2012, 10:19 PM
Ah yes, 6 red and white stripes under the Union flag versus 7 red and white stripes under the EIC.

Technically it's called the Union Flag on land, and the Union Jack at sea. I think I learned that from an episode of QI.

sasukeuchiha50
03-07-2012, 10:45 PM
My head almost exploded for attempting to read this.

KJGPlay
03-08-2012, 02:57 AM
My head almost exploded for attempting to read this.

That must have hurt.

iNEEDSmeINSIDES
03-08-2012, 08:47 AM
Ah yes, 6 red and white stripes under the Union flag versus 7 red and white stripes under the EIC.

Technically it's called the Union Flag on land, and the Union Jack at sea. I think I learned that from an episode of QI.

They are pretty much interchangeable nowadays and the vast majority of Britons would call it the Union Jack. But yes the term Union Jack does come from the Admirality.