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Radman500
03-02-2012, 07:47 PM
Connor, the main protagonist, is the one that is being choked out... he is half-native american, half english (born of a white english father, and a native american mother)..


is that his english father choking connor out?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120302175534/assassinscreed/images/4/49/ACIII-GI_(12).jpg

pirate1802
03-02-2012, 07:48 PM
Possibly.

freddie_1897
03-02-2012, 07:51 PM
there is another picture of him riding with that man when he's older, and theres a bunch of revolutionary soldiers with him so i don't think so, however i might be wrong

Radman500
03-02-2012, 07:52 PM
there is another picture of him riding with that man when he's older, and theres a bunch of revolutionary soldiers with him so i don't think so, however i might be wrong
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120302175532/assassinscreed/images/a/ae/ACIII-GI_(10).jpgyou mean this pic.... i think there 2 different characters..... plus connor dad is suppose to be a british soldier from what i heard?

freddie_1897
03-02-2012, 07:58 PM
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120302175532/assassinscreed/images/a/ae/ACIII-GI_(10).jpgyou mean this pic.... i think there 2 different characters..... plus connor dad is suppose to be a british soldier from what i heard?
ah, good point, i think the man in this pic is George Washington, but .... actually, you know what, screw it, I'm not gonna make any observations because the chances are ill be wrong

Radman500
03-02-2012, 07:59 PM
i wonder if Connor later finds out about his english ancestry.... his british father

like he thinks he is native american, he was raised native american, his whole life and later finds out that he is only half-native american and has an english father

kriegerdesgottes
03-02-2012, 08:15 PM
It just says his father is English. I didn't read anywhere that his father was a soldier for any side. It's also important to note that the vast majority of people in the colonies were still English as there was at the time no such thing as the United States of America so his father being English does not mean that his father is on the British side although he could be a loyalist.

lothario-da-be
03-02-2012, 09:07 PM
where did you found these screenshots , they are epic!!!

rileypoole1234
03-02-2012, 09:13 PM
The man on the horse is no doubt George Washington. The man choking him is in a different picture, where Conner is going to kill him from behind. Does this look like him to you?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m09l513OPO1qbn3hqo3_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1330792312&Signature=Tc83fkT%2F0o%2BGFi%2F07TPGx5QVc8k%3D

reddragonhrcro
03-02-2012, 09:18 PM
The man on the horse is no doubt George Washington. The man choking him is in a different picture, where Conner is going to kill him from behind. Does this look like him to you?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m09l513OPO1qbn3hqo3_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1330792312&Signature=Tc83fkT%2F0o%2BGFi%2F07TPGx5QVc8k%3D

Not quite,another notice is the outfit,the outfits are different,look at details of em.

there76
03-02-2012, 09:24 PM
That's Charles Lee.

rileypoole1234
03-02-2012, 10:34 PM
Not quite,another notice is the outfit,the outfits are different,look at details of em.

I don't think so mate. He has brown hair when he is younger, choking Conner, and he has white hair when Conner is older, about to get his revenge. Makes perfect sense. I also think the outfits look exactly the same.

eagleforlife1
03-02-2012, 11:01 PM
I don't think it is because Charles Lee wouldn't be much older than Connor as he is represented in that screen. He looks in his mid-30s to early 40s.

Radman500
03-02-2012, 11:02 PM
Connor being half-native american, half-english

mother native, father english

and he was raised by the mohawks

possibility that his father raped his mother

there76
03-02-2012, 11:16 PM
How old is Connor in that screen shot anyways?

eagleforlife1
03-02-2012, 11:18 PM
He looks about 14ish.

there76
03-02-2012, 11:20 PM
I don't know, I think he looks more 12 or 13.

eagleforlife1
03-02-2012, 11:22 PM
I don't know, I think he looks more 12 or 13.

There's only one year difference and I said 'ish' lol.

there76
03-02-2012, 11:27 PM
Yeah, but I am leaning more towards 12 then 14. He seems to boyish to be 14.

The13Doctors
03-02-2012, 11:31 PM
Maybe his mentor, the person that brought him into the Order?

brick177
03-02-2012, 11:53 PM
Not that it is the same guy, but the same guy could wear two different outfits. You know, not the same outfit for 5-10 years or whatever the difference is between the kid and the grown assassin.

Also, the colonists were all mostly English and other immigrants. The distinction would be British Nationals vs. British Colonists, and among the colonists there were two factions Loyalists (loyal to the King) and Rebels.

Although, Americans refer to them as Patriots not Rebels. But same thing.

dxsxhxcx
03-03-2012, 12:01 AM
that man seems to be Charles Lee (in a concept art in the GI scans his outfit look the same)...

ShaneO7K
03-03-2012, 03:37 PM
I'm thinking his father could be an assassin who takes him into the order shortly after the attack on his village at which point he is probably given the name Connor because I just going to assume that most of the assassins in America came on boat rather than being mostly natives.

freddie_1897
03-03-2012, 05:25 PM
i think it mentioned that he comes across the assassins while on a mission trying to fight injustice, and i think thats a good thing, it looks like the recruiter has become the recruited!

LightRey
03-03-2012, 05:37 PM
I'm thinking his father could be an assassin who takes him into the order shortly after the attack on his village at which point he is probably given the name Connor because I just going to assume that most of the assassins in America came on boat rather than being mostly natives.

I considered that possibility too. We know so little though, so it's hard to come up with anything that makes the most sense.

E-Zekiel
03-03-2012, 09:56 PM
Depends on what they mean when they say his father is English. English Immigrant, aka, American, or English militant (redcoat).

I got the impression it was the latter. If I'm right in that, the person in the picture is not likely his father.

TombRaider13
03-04-2012, 12:49 PM
That's Charles Lee, a Brittish soldier from the French Indian war.
On Assassins Creed wiki stands that Connor/Ratohnhaké suffered severely at the hands of the white colonists.


Niets is waar, alles is toegestaan.

pirate1802
03-04-2012, 01:09 PM
Ratohnhake:ton! Finally I think I can properly pronounce his mane!

LightRey
03-04-2012, 01:12 PM
Ratohnhake:ton! Finally I think I can properly pronounce his mane!

Yeah, I'm just gonna keep calling him Connor...

LieutenantJojo
03-04-2012, 01:15 PM
Connor being half-native american, half-english

mother native, father english

and he was raised by the mohawks

possibility that his father raped his mother

I have been wondering this myself. His father might not even know of Connor's existence.

Or Connor could have some serious father issues. His father might be very distant towards his family and act like he doesn't care, while he really does care for them. Somewhat like Spock's father in the last Star Trek movie or Vegeta in DBZ.

GLHS
03-04-2012, 01:50 PM
Yeah, I'm just gonna keep calling him Connor...

Me too lol. Until I hear it in the game and get to be able to pronounce it. But I don't understand how everybody can say "That's Charles Lee." We have absolutely no info on him. His backstory, his age, what he looks like, what his role is. Nothing. So how can you just look at a guy in a screen and automatically think it's him, just b/c you don't think he looks like anybody else. You guys are all speculating about everything waay too early. We'll have more details in the months to come and then we can make more accurate statements.

LightRey
03-04-2012, 01:51 PM
Me too lol. Until I hear it in the game and get to be able to pronounce it. But I don't understand how everybody can say "That's Charles Lee." We have absolutely no info on him. His backstory, his age, what he looks like, what his role is. Nothing. So how can you just look at a guy in a screen and automatically think it's him, just b/c you don't think he looks like anybody else. You guys are all speculating about everything waay too early. We'll have more details in the months to come and then we can make more accurate statements.

Well said.

Legendz54
03-04-2012, 01:58 PM
I actually think that that is a female or Connors mother being choked out because if you look the males hands look much bigger than the Indians hand it says that Connor has an English father...maybe Connor finds out his Indian mom was raped by a British soldier??

LightRey
03-04-2012, 01:59 PM
I actually think that that is a female or Connors mother being choked out because if you look the males hands look much bigger than the Indians hand it says that Connor has an English father...maybe Connor finds out his Indian mom was raped by a British soldier??

We're not going to see his mom getting raped. -__-

Legendz54
03-04-2012, 02:02 PM
We're not going to see his mom getting raped. -__-
I know whe are not going to see that but I'm just saying he might find out later

LightRey
03-04-2012, 02:04 PM
I know whe are not going to see that but I'm just saying he might find out later

Well he's not going to witness it and I doubt we're going to see any of his mother's memories.

the_atm
03-04-2012, 03:17 PM
It's impossible to know...

brick177
03-04-2012, 04:02 PM
Here's General Charles Lee, not much resemblance:


http://www.rampartsofcivilization.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/GENERAL-CHARLES-LEE.jpg

I'm thinking maybe Benedict Arnold, who jumped sides to the British during the war:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q2NfgQuuc3U/TfoVvdB802I/AAAAAAAAGfM/ZHVMTPyQgCs/s400/Benedict+Arnold+-+Tragic+Hero+.JPG

dxsxhxcx
03-04-2012, 04:03 PM
Me too lol. Until I hear it in the game and get to be able to pronounce it. But I don't understand how everybody can say "That's Charles Lee." We have absolutely no info on him. His backstory, his age, what he looks like, what his role is. Nothing. So how can you just look at a guy in a screen and automatically think it's him, just b/c you don't think he looks like anybody else. You guys are all speculating about everything waay too early. We'll have more details in the months to come and then we can make more accurate statements.

there are 3 pictures of Charles Lee in the GI scans and in all of them he wears the exact same outfit that the person who is grabbing Connor in that picture is wearing... I think it's safe to say is him unless they make more than one character uses the same outfit... but I don't think they would do that with relevant NPCs...

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg846/scaled.php?server=846&filename=77348307.png&res=medium
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg577/scaled.php?server=577&filename=65875140.png&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg214/scaled.php?server=214&filename=0705441001330708382.png&res=medium

brick177
03-04-2012, 04:09 PM
The more I read about General Lee the more it seems he's really antagonistic to George Washington even though they fought for the same side.



Charles Lee (February 6, 1732 – October 2, 1782) was a British soldier who later served as a General of the Continental Army during the American War of Independence. Lee served in the British army during the Seven Years War. After the war he sold his commission and served for a time in the Polish army of King Stanislaus II. In 1773 Lee, who had Whig views, moved to America and bought an estate in Virginia. When the fighting broke out in the American War of Independence in 1775 he volunteered to serve with rebel forces. Lee's ambitions to become Commander in Chief of the Continental Army were thwarted by the appointment of George Washington.


During 1776 forces under his command repulsed a British attempt to capture Charleston which boosted his standing with the army and Congress. Later that year he was captured by British cavalry under Banastre Tarleton and held as a prisoner until exchanged in 1778. During the indecisive Battle of Monmouth later that year, Lee led an assault on the British which miscarried. He was subsequently court-martialed and his military service brought to an end.


Lee tried to get Congress to overturn the court-martial's verdict, and when this failed, he resorted to open attacks on Washington's character. Lee's popularity plummeted then. Colonel John Laurens, an aide to Washington, challenged him to a duel, one in which Lee was wounded in his side. He was then challenged to many more duels. He was released from his duty on January 10, 1780. He retired to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where he died.

LieutenantJojo
03-04-2012, 04:11 PM
Here's General Charles Lee, not much resemblance:


http://www.rampartsofcivilization.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/GENERAL-CHARLES-LEE.jpg

I'm thinking maybe Benedict Arnold, who jumped sides to the British during the war:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q2NfgQuuc3U/TfoVvdB802I/AAAAAAAAGfM/ZHVMTPyQgCs/s400/Benedict+Arnold+-+Tragic+Hero+.JPG

Yeah, like every character in AC looks exactly the same as their real life counterpart? Take Rodrigo Borgia for an example.

brick177
03-04-2012, 04:13 PM
Yeah, like every character in AC looks exactly the same as their real life counterpart? Take Rodrigo Borgia for an example.

I agree. In fact, Lee DOES have mutton chop side burns in that portrait as does the guy in the screen shots.