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GeneralTrumbo
02-29-2012, 03:11 AM
There is something along the wall towards the beginning of memory five of the lost archive. I don't think it is morse code. Can someone tell what it is written in? I can tell you the format is something like this. Does anyone know what it says?
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Could it be written in braille?

SOLVED-It is "The truth is constructed from lies". What could that mean?

twenty_glyphs
02-29-2012, 04:25 AM
I just found a secret message in Memory 2 in a large room that you go down inside just before William says "They will use obstacles to distract you..." It's high up in the room on the far side away from the passage that you exit the room in. It's in binary:

01000011 01101100 01100001 01111001 00100000 01100011
01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01100101 01100100
00100000 01000001 01100100 01100001 01101101 00101100
00100000 01000001 01100100 01100001 01101101 00100000
01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01100101
01100100 00100000 01000011 01101100 01100001 01111001

And translates to:

"Clay created Adam, Adam created Clay"

There's also one in hexadecimal just after you find the letter at the beginning of Memory 7:

53 68 65 20 6f 75 6c 64 20 68 61 76 65 20 6c 65 64 20 44 20 61 77 61 79 20 66 72 6f 6d 20 74 68 65 20 70 61 74 68

That translates to:

"She ould have led D away from the path"

Which is probably supposed to be "She would have led you away from the path."

GeneralTrumbo
02-29-2012, 04:34 AM
I just found a secret message in Memory 2 in a large room that you go down inside just before William says "They will use obstacles to distract you..." It's high up in the room on the far side away from the passage that you exit the room in. It's in binary:

01000011 01101100 01100001 01111001 00100000 01100011
01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01100101 01100100
00100000 01000001 01100100 01100001 01101101 00101100
00100000 01000001 01100100 01100001 01101101 00100000
01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01100101
01100100 00100000 01000011 01101100 01100001 01111001

And translates to:

"Clay created Adam, Adam created Clay"

There's also one in hexadecimal just after you find the letter at the beginning of Memory 7:

53 68 65 20 6f 75 6c 64 20 68 61 76 65 20 6c 65 64 20 44 20 61 77 61 79 20 66 72 6f 6d 20 74 68 65 20 70 61 74 68

That translates to:

"She ould have led D away from the path"

Which is probably supposed to be "She would have led you away from the path."
Could the "Clay created Adam, Adam created Clay" be referring to "The End is The Beginning" thing? As in starting over.
And no, I think it actually is "She would have led D away from the path". D = Desmond. That could be referring to Lucy throwing him off path.

twenty_glyphs
02-29-2012, 05:14 AM
Could the "Clay created Adam, Adam created Clay" be referring to "The End is The Beginning" thing? As in starting over.
And no, I think it actually is "She would have led D away from the path". D = Desmond. That could be referring to Lucy throwing him off path.

Ah yes, D for Desmond. Good catch. The Adam and Clay thing may just be that "clay" created Adam, as in shaped from the Earth, and that Adam created Clay by giving him the drive that he needed when Clay discovered The Truth memory with Adam. But you may have a point, because I do think there's something to the loop thing, where the past may connect to the future somehow. Also notice that Adam's voice in Memory 5 was not the same as Desmond's, which may give some credence to the theory that the voice that says "Eve..." during the Truth video is actually Desmond and not Adam.

Nomad86x
02-29-2012, 05:21 AM
With the references to 'The End is the Beginning" and The Loop, and the "Clay created Adam, Adam created Clay", let's not forget the Lorenz Attractor Glyph

Edit: It's present throughout the games, more so than the other glyphs I believe - it's the central glyph above Desmond's bed @ Abstergo, and if you use Eagle Vision in Brotherhood outside of Juno's Temple Door (When visiting w/ Desmond & Friends), it's stamped on the door (quite largely I might add), not to mention it's in the (I think) last Brotherhood glyph - where you align the image of earth.

There's a significance here I think we have yet to fully understand, even with this DLC, but it certainly pushes things forward.

Ahbeenwaiting
02-29-2012, 11:05 AM
NICE! Glad other people found these hidden messages and deciphered them already!

Just though that i'd add something as well! I found this symbol in the Animus room in Abstergo (don't remember which memory). It's on a pillar and you have to align the pillar with the wall to see it. I believe it is a cell (nucleus in the middle).

[img=http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8830/imag0367dv.th.jpg] (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/imag0367dv.jpg/)

Could be wrong though, what do you all think?

Captain Tomatoz
02-29-2012, 11:21 AM
NICE! Glad other people found these hidden messages and deciphered them already!

Just though that i'd add something as well! I found this symbol in the Animus room in Abstergo (don't remember which memory). It's on a pillar and you have to align the pillar with the wall to see it. I believe it is a cell (nucleus in the middle).

[img=http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8830/imag0367dv.th.jpg] (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/imag0367dv.jpg/)

Could be wrong though, what do you all think?

There are similar symbols dotted around all the memories. I remember a few being Greek letters. Maybe they spell something out?

De Filosoof
02-29-2012, 12:49 PM
There are similar symbols dotted around all the memories. I remember a few being Greek letters. Maybe they spell something out?

Yeah i wanna know what they mean...
I found several symbols like that behind walls and stuff.
I also saw one of the symbols on one of the walls when the credits rolled on level 5 when you broke the loop.

De Filosoof
02-29-2012, 12:54 PM
Could the "Clay created Adam, Adam created Clay" be referring to "The End is The Beginning" thing? As in starting over.
And no, I think it actually is "She would have led D away from the path". D = Desmond. That could be referring to Lucy throwing him off path.

Yeah maybe "Clay created Adam" is referring to Clay helping/saving Desmond and Desmond representing "Adam" because maybe he has to rebuild civilization at the end of AC3.

LightRey
02-29-2012, 02:49 PM
The line "the truth is constructed from lies" could be a simple reference to the many myths of gods that are actually mystified versions of historical events in the AC universe.

twenty_glyphs
02-29-2012, 03:57 PM
@thijs_bijlsma : The Greek letter "theta" is on one of the columns in Memory 5, so that may have been what you saw during the credits. I guess it's possible there are different Greek letters spread out in the memories that spell out something. I seem to remember seeing a few of them.

@Ahbeenwaiting: That looks like a common symbol for the Sun, a circle with a dot inside. It's mentioned on the Wikipedia page for the letter "theta". It was also shown when solving part of "The Fourth Day" glyph in AC2, involving the Sun.

@Nomad86x: I agree that the Lorenz Attractor glyph has some important meaning. One way of interpreting it is in reference to the B-u-t-t-erfly Effect, where a small change can cause giant changes somewhere else in a system. I've also seen it mentioned that you can view the attractor as showing that under its formula, you can start off in drastically different starting locations, but you'll still end up with a very similar graph of the Lorenz Attractor. That could be a reference to how the First Civilization put their plan into motion and it still followed the basic path they wanted it to over thousands of years.

Whatever the glyphs mean, I think it's more and more likely that Juno showed those glyphs to Subject 16. The Apple in Juno's Temple showed Desmond all the same glyphs, in addition to the liberty cap one and Abstergo logo. I really hope that AC3 has some puzzle elements that explain the meanings behind the glyphs.

De Filosoof
02-29-2012, 04:22 PM
@thijs_bijlsma : The Greek letter "theta" is on one of the columns in Memory 5, so that may have been what you saw during the credits. I guess it's possible there are different Greek letters spread out in the memories that spell out something. I seem to remember seeing a few of them.

@Ahbeenwaiting: That looks like a common symbol for the Sun, a circle with a dot inside. It's mentioned on the Wikipedia page for the letter "theta". It was also shown when solving part of "The Fourth Day" glyph in AC2, involving the Sun.



I found this information about the symbol with the dot in the middle:


SEX IN THE POINT WITHIN A CIRCLEhttp://www.cuttingedge.org/Circle_With_Dot.JPG
The point and the circle carries a sexual connotation. How can this be, you might ask? If you have to ask that question, you do not have the mind and heart of a pagan. One Masonic author states that this symbol is used in Sun Worship, and then says: "The female principle, symbolized by the moon, assumed the form of a lunette [small circular opening], or crescent, while the male principle, symbolized by the sun, assumed the form of the lingam [Phallus] and placed himself erect in the center of the lunette, like the mast of a ship." ["Point Within A Circle", Short Talk Bulletin , August, 1931, Masonic Bulletin designed to read within the Lodges, p. 4]

Acrimonious_Nin
02-29-2012, 04:22 PM
question did anyone find the one,I believe memory 3 or 4 where you find the chemistry ecrypted code? how do you decrypt something like that ?

- Thanks

De Filosoof
02-29-2012, 04:27 PM
And this:


Circles commonly represent unity, wholeness, and infinity. Without beginning or end, without sides or corners, the circle is also associated with the number one.In some cases, there is a distinction between that which is contained within the circle and that which lies without.Protection
Circles are often seen as protective symbols. Standing within a circle shields a person from supernatural dangers or influences outside of the circle. Conversely, a circle can also be containing, keeping that which is inside from been released.Ouroboros
The ouroboros is a circular symbol created by a creature feeding off it's own tail, or else two creatures feeding off each other's tails. In both cases, the shape created in a circle, representing such things completion, uniting of polarities, regeneration, and eternity.

GLHS
02-29-2012, 04:36 PM
I'm pretty sure AC uses this symbol as an ancient sun symbol. This is the Pagan symbol for the sun, and even though it has many different meanings and interpretations, I think it's representation in AC is the sun. It's used in this context in a few places, most notably a glyph puzzle from AC2 about the sun.

De Filosoof
02-29-2012, 04:37 PM
I also found a circle with a P in the middle in memory 2.Does somebody know what it means?
It's in the first room of memory 2 behind a wall.

LightRey
02-29-2012, 04:46 PM
I found this information about the symbol with the dot in the middle:


SEX IN THE POINT WITHIN A CIRCLE
http://www.cuttingedge.org/Circle_With_Dot.JPG
The point and the circle carries a sexual connotation. How can this be, you might ask? If you have to ask that question, you do not have the mind and heart of a pagan. One Masonic author states that this symbol is used in Sun Worship, and then says: "The female principle, symbolized by the moon, assumed the form of a lunette [small circular opening], or crescent, while the male principle, symbolized by the sun, assumed the form of the lingam [Phallus] and placed himself erect in the center of the lunette, like the mast of a ship." ["Point Within A Circle", Short Talk Bulletin , August, 1931, Masonic Bulletin designed to read within the Lodges, p. 4]


The symbol is also used in science to refer to the sun.

Ayreons-Will
02-29-2012, 07:08 PM
Was I the only one who caught the Hebrew in the First Memory on the Pillars? Well I am working on the translation right now. I figure with all the Geek Letters and all the Hebrew I caught, it will most likely be Gemetria Based Messages.

LightRey
02-29-2012, 09:23 PM
Was I the only one who caught the Hebrew in the First Memory on the Pillars? Well I am working on the translation right now. I figure with all the Geek Letters and all the Hebrew I caught, it will most likely be Gemetria Based Messages.

I saw it too. Can't read Hebrew though.

Acrimonious_Nin
02-29-2012, 09:40 PM
I found this information about the symbol with the dot in the middle:


SEX IN THE POINT WITHIN A CIRCLE
http://www.cuttingedge.org/Circle_With_Dot.JPG
The point and the circle carries a sexual connotation. How can this be, you might ask? If you have to ask that question, you do not have the mind and heart of a pagan. One Masonic author states that this symbol is used in Sun Worship, and then says: "The female principle, symbolized by the moon, assumed the form of a lunette [small circular opening], or crescent, while the male principle, symbolized by the sun, assumed the form of the lingam [Phallus] and placed himself erect in the center of the lunette, like the mast of a ship." ["Point Within A Circle", Short Talk Bulletin , August, 1931, Masonic Bulletin designed to read within the Lodges, p. 4]



In alchemy it is the symbol for gold and in astrology it is the symbol for the sun :Djust to add to that

dAnNyKiLlZ
02-29-2012, 10:43 PM
I can read hebrew, what did it say? I can try and translate it.
Also if there is gematria let me know, thanks!

VictorAviram123
03-01-2012, 12:09 AM
I'm from Israel so I guess I can help here...
The Hebrew word is "דלילה" which can be spelled as "Dlila".
In the bible, there was a very strong man named "Shimshon" (can be Desmond in this case) who got married with Dlila (Lucy) without knowing that she is palestine (Templer).
The palestines (Abstergo) asked her to seduce Shimshon and cut his hair which, as the legend say, gave him his power. Eventually, she did what she was asked during one of the nights and because of that, the palestines catched Shimshon and took his eyes out as their prisoner.

My theory is that they tried to give us some clues before Memory 6 that Lucy is a Templer and now that I have thought about all this I feel stupid that I didn't saw it earlier...

Hope this helps and sorry for any spelling errors :P

twenty_glyphs
03-01-2012, 12:51 AM
question did anyone find the one,I believe memory 3 or 4 where you find the chemistry ecrypted code? how do you decrypt something like that ?

- Thanks

What does it look like? The hexagonal symbols that you see during Memory Glitches in AC1, or the Periodic Table of Elements version from Cluster 10 of Brotherhood, like this: "BeBLiBAlHeBArScCaMG"? Can you tell me where it's located?

Tobbi1993
03-01-2012, 01:40 AM
I do not know which chapter, but somewhere you can find the letters "Oxfb, vkh Lv dOzdbv ehkl qg Brx". If you use the Caesar cipher with the key A->D you get "Lucy, she is always behind you."

EDIT: Sorry, there has been some mistakes in my notes, i have corrected it.

rileypoole1234
03-01-2012, 01:41 AM
I'm from Israel so I guess I can help here...
The Hebrew word is "דלילה" which can be spelled as "Dlila".
In the bible, there was a very strong man named "Shimshon" (can be Desmond in this case) who got married with Dlila (Lucy) without knowing that she is palestine (Templer).
The palestines (Abstergo) asked her to seduce Shimshon and cut his hair which, as the legend say, gave him his power. Eventually, she did what she was asked during one of the nights and because of that, the palestines catched Shimshon and took his eyes out as their prisoner.

My theory is that they tried to give us some clues before Memory 6 that Lucy is a Templer and now that I have thought about all this I feel stupid that I didn't saw it earlier...

Hope this helps and sorry for any spelling errors :P

So that's Samson and Delilah. That seems a bit like Desmond and Lucy when you think about it.

zerocooll21
03-01-2012, 01:45 AM
What does it look like? The hexagonal symbols that you see during Memory Glitches in AC1, or the Periodic Table of Elements version from Cluster 10 of Brotherhood, like this: "BeBLiBAlHeBArScCaMG"? Can you tell me where it's located?

EDIT: NM my bad, wrong gibberish haha.

The one I saw said "Oxfb, vkh Lv dOzdbv ehklqg Brx" That was't the one you wanted right?

Acrimonious_Nin
03-01-2012, 01:51 AM
What does it look like? The hexagonal symbols that you see during Memory Glitches in AC1, or the Periodic Table of Elements version from Cluster 10 of Brotherhood, like this: "BeBLiBAlHeBArScCaMG"? Can you tell me where it's located?

It looks like the periodic table.. and it is located on the side of something about waste high...in the center of the room there is a big square gap/whole thing that leads down somewhere sorry I am currently looking for it maybe in memory 6... u.u

zerocooll21
03-01-2012, 01:53 AM
Yah the one I just quoted was in Mem6. Its right when clay says something about "getting into the mainframe"

Acrimonious_Nin
03-01-2012, 01:55 AM
yes...so what do you suppose the message means ?!?! is she haunting us like the old guy in the divine science???? creepy stuff ..I hope ac doen't turn into a horror survival game lmao

GeneralTrumbo
03-01-2012, 02:02 AM
yes...so what do you suppose the message means ?!?! is she haunting us like the old guy in the divine science???? creepy stuff ..I hope ac doen't turn into a horror survival game lmao
Lol the random parts where you spaz out and see the stairs and all that made it seem so, especially when you walked down the hallway in that one part. Lol.

ElDoucherino
03-01-2012, 02:40 AM
Stupid of me and not take notes while playing...I just threw myself over the PS3 when I saw it on PSN. However, saw that binary message, the pillar with the word and that jibberish before dropping down a hole that someone already decipher (That lucy line). Have to play it thru once more, even though I found it freaky from time to time (I am too old for this stuff :)).

Its painfull knowing that AC3 is half a year away :S

GeneralTrumbo
03-01-2012, 02:54 AM
Stupid of me and not take notes while playing...I just threw myself over the PS3 when I saw it on PSN. However, saw that binary message, the pillar with the word and that jibberish before dropping down a hole that someone already decipher (That lucy line). Have to play it thru once more, even though I found it freaky from time to time (I am too old for this stuff :)).

Its painfull knowing that AC3 is half a year away :S
I just hope this big Assassin's Creed announcement is on AC3.

twenty_glyphs
03-01-2012, 05:03 AM
It looks like the periodic table.. and it is located on the side of something about waste high...in the center of the room there is a big square gap/whole thing that leads down somewhere sorry I am currently looking for it maybe in memory 6... u.u

I'm looking at it now in Memory 6, just like you described it. But it's the Caesar Cipher one that says "Lucy, she is always behind you." It's not elements from the Periodic Table, but the "Lv" in it does look like an element.

Jake-T
03-01-2012, 09:22 PM
Once deciphered the binary code says, "Clay creaded Adam, Adam created Clay." I'm not entirely sure what the meaning behind it is though.

zerocooll21
03-02-2012, 01:45 AM
Once deciphered the binary code says, "Clay creaded Adam, Adam created Clay." I'm not entirely sure what the meaning behind it is though.

Its a reference to man being made from clay, and clay s16 is a decendent of Adam ala " Adam created Clay"

Paladijno
03-02-2012, 07:30 PM
In Memory 4 in the Animus lab you see a series of narrow and wide light bars. Those are Morse code. When translated they say. "Beware the daughter of the sixth." I have no idea what this one means. We must be aware of Lucy of course, but how is she 'the daughter of the sixth'

zerocooll21
03-02-2012, 07:35 PM
In Memory 4 in the Animus lab you see a series of narrow and wide light bars. Those are Morse code. When translated they say. "Beware the daughter of the sixth." I have no idea what this one means. We must be aware of Lucy of course, but how is she 'the daughter of the sixth'

Do you snap a pic of that by any chance?

RzaRecta357
03-02-2012, 07:37 PM
So, I only read the first page and haven't played the DLC. Does the Lead D off the path thing mean that she was actually really falling for Desmond in the end? Since she could have but didn't?

Paladijno
03-02-2012, 07:48 PM
Here are screenshot of the Morse code
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4613/acrpr2012030219382477.jpghttp://img828.imageshack.us/img828/7143/acrpr2012030219383140.jpghttp://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4563/acrpr2012030219383785.jpghttp://img406.imageshack.us/img406/254/acrpr2012030219384248.jpg

Paladijno
03-02-2012, 09:26 PM
So here a recap. We have found secret messages in every memory except the third.

Memory 1:
Hebrew text means 'Dlila'. That's the Hebrew name for Delilah the woman who betrayed Samson. This probably refers to Lucy betraying Desmond (and Clay).

Memory 2:
Binary message that says "Clay created Adam, Adam created Clay".
Biblical Adam was made out of clay and Clay is a descendant from Adam.

Memory 3:
No message found (yet).

Memory 4:
In the Animus lab you see a series of narrow and wide light bars. Those are Morse code. When translated they say. "Beware the daughter of the sixth." I have no idea what this one means. We must be aware of Lucy of course, but how is she 'the daughter of the sixth'
Memory 5:
Braille text translates to "The truth is constructed from lies"
Probably means what most people consider to be the truth is are Templar lies.

Memory 6:
Cesarean shift coded message that translates to "Lucy, she Is aLways behind You"
The capitals form 'LILY' Might refer to that Lucy was supposed to support Clay. Not sure about the meaning of Lily.

Memory 7:
Hexadecimal code translates to "She ould have led D away from the path"
Either by accident of design it misses the 'c' or 'w' on front of 'ould'
This of course is about Lucy about to betray Desmond (D).

Did anyone find a message in memory 3?
Anyone have any other theories or explanations on these messages?

zerocooll21
03-03-2012, 12:04 AM
Good eye :D

zerocooll21
03-03-2012, 03:10 PM
Memory 4:
In the Animus lab you see a series of narrow and wide light bars. Those are Morse code. When translated they say. "Beware the daughter of the sixth." I have no idea what this one means. We must be aware of Lucy of course, but how is she 'the daughter of the sixth'


IDK if this has any relation but Juno did say to "awaken the sixth". Everyone assumes that means 6th sense ala eagle vision but maybe it doesn't.

monarcasmoreli
03-03-2012, 08:50 PM
It saw that code 00000111 and etc in ancient alines they translate it and it shows some coordients locations

Paladijno
03-04-2012, 10:43 AM
So, I only read the first page and haven't played the DLC. Does the Lead D off the path thing mean that she was actually really falling for Desmond in the end? Since she could have but didn't?
I think it means that Lucy would have led Desmond of 'the path' because she had crossed over to the Templars

Paladijno
03-04-2012, 10:52 AM
IDK if this has any relation but Juno did say to "awaken the sixth". Everyone assumes that means 6th sense ala eagle vision but maybe it doesn't.
I thought of that too, but Lucy doesn't have Eagle Sense (or even Eagle Vision).
The only significant 6 I can remember in the game was when Jupiter says that they tried 6 possible solutions to save the world in the past, but that they all failed. Maybe in the 6th solution they created some other kind of human-first civilization hybrid for whose descendant we now have to watch out.
It's far fetched, but it's the only other theory I can think of right now.

zerocooll21
03-04-2012, 01:29 PM
I thought of that too, but Lucy doesn't have Eagle Sense (or even Eagle Vision).
The only significant 6 I can remember in the game was when Jupiter says that they tried 6 possible solutions to save the world in the past, but that they all failed. Maybe in the 6th solution they created some other kind of human-first civilization hybrid for whose descendant we now have to watch out.
It's far fetched, but it's the only other theory I can think of right now.

Ohhh yahhh, good catch with Jupiter. Interesting to see how this will all play out.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-06-2012, 05:33 AM
I thought of that too, but Lucy doesn't have Eagle Sense (or even Eagle Vision).
The only significant 6 I can remember in the game was when Jupiter says that they tried 6 possible solutions to save the world in the past, but that they all failed. Maybe in the 6th solution they created some other kind of human-first civilization hybrid for whose descendant we now have to watch out.
It's far fetched, but it's the only other theory I can think of right now.

Well to add on to that, if you remember the end of revelations SPOILER ! you see the gate draw out in light the female symbol (assuming that the cave they are at currently is the 6th temple)and if anyone saw on the threads here that at the end right before william opens the van we see an image of what seems to be either a new first civilization person or juno, but we are certain that it was a female. END SPOILER ! maybe it has something to do with that phrase aswell ?

GeneralTrumbo
03-06-2012, 06:46 AM
"The daughter of the 6th." Maybe a 6th ancestor? But I don't see how that would work out...maybe Ezio's daughter? It was said it was her bloodline that led to Desmond. But again, that couldn't work out. I hope this gets answered...but how could a temple have a daughter? What could that mean? Maybe the daughter of the 6th TWCB? Aaahhh omg I don't understand!

xsatanicjokerx
03-06-2012, 08:27 AM
When I read "The daughter of the 6th" the first thing that came to mind was, who is/was subject 6? But when i did some quick searching i found out that Zues/Jupiter was the six child of his parents.
And well... Minerva was a daughter of Jupiter, So maybe what she told Clay (was she the one that told him to help Desmond?) or Desmond was not true.

LightRey
03-06-2012, 10:51 AM
When I read "The daughter of the 6th" the first thing that came to mind was, who is/was subject 6? But when i did some quick searching i found out that Zues/Jupiter was the six child of his parents.
And well... Minerva was a daughter of Jupiter, So maybe what she told Clay (was she the one that told him to help Desmond?) or Desmond was not true.
Sorry, Juno was the one who told Clay all the stuff in TLA.

zerocooll21
03-06-2012, 01:20 PM
...i did some quick searching i found out that Zues/Jupiter was the six child of his parents.
And well... Minerva was a daughter of Jupiter, So maybe what she told Clay (was she the one that told him to help Desmond?) or Desmond was not true.

Very interesting indeed.

twenty_glyphs
03-11-2012, 03:29 AM
When I saw "Beware the daughter of the sixth", it made me think of the puzzle from AC2 titled "The Fourth Day". That puzzle is about the Sun, and made me think of the fourth day of creation according to Genesis, when God put the Sun and the Moon in the sky. So if we interpret "the sixth" to be the sixth day of creation according to Genesis, we know that Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day. I've never heard Eve referred to that way, but it does seem to fit.

Also, the "LILY" that's capitalized within the message "Lucy, she is always behind you" is interesting to me. I've also been thinking a lot about how Subject 16 saw Juno. The first time we hear her is during The Bleeding Effect memory. So what if the bleeding effect somehow unlocked the ability to see Juno? Desmond also sees Juno while he may be starting to suffer from the bleeding effect. We also think that Desmond sees Juno outside the Grand Temple at the end of Revelations. So what if Clay keeps seeing Juno always behind Lucy? Something interesting to think about. Also, I looked up the lily flower, and there is a myth that they were created from Hera (also known as Juno) when her breast milk accidentally dripped to Earth while Hercules was at her breast (part of Zeus's plan to let Hercules become a god).

xsatanicjokerx
03-11-2012, 04:30 AM
When I saw "Beware the daughter of the sixth", it made me think of the puzzle from AC2 titled "The Fourth Day". That puzzle is about the Sun, and made me think of the fourth day of creation according to Genesis, when God put the Sun and the Moon in the sky. So if we interpret "the sixth" to be the sixth day of creation according to Genesis, we know that Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day. I've never heard Eve referred to that way, but it does seem to fit.
Eve was created after Adam by using his rib, did this all happen on the 6th day?. However there are biblical myths about Adams first wife (Lilith if i recall correctly) who betrayed him and had demon babies with the Devil. But i find it unlikely that Eve or Lilith is the daughter of the 6th simply because if it was i think she would be referred to gods daughter not the days daughter.

GLHS
03-11-2012, 02:48 PM
When I saw "Beware the daughter of the sixth", it made me think of the puzzle from AC2 titled "The Fourth Day". That puzzle is about the Sun, and made me think of the fourth day of creation according to Genesis, when God put the Sun and the Moon in the sky. So if we interpret "the sixth" to be the sixth day of creation according to Genesis, we know that Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day. I've never heard Eve referred to that way, but it does seem to fit.

Also, the "LILY" that's capitalized within the message "Lucy, she is always behind you" is interesting to me. I've also been thinking a lot about how Subject 16 saw Juno. The first time we hear her is during The Bleeding Effect memory. So what if the bleeding effect somehow unlocked the ability to see Juno? Desmond also sees Juno while he may be starting to suffer from the bleeding effect. We also think that Desmond sees Juno outside the Grand Temple at the end of Revelations. So what if Clay keeps seeing Juno always behind Lucy? Something interesting to think about. Also, I looked up the lily flower, and there is a myth that they were created from Hera (also known as Juno) when her breast milk accidentally dripped to Earth while Hercules was at her breast (part of Zeus's plan to let Hercules become a god).

Yeah, but if it is a meaning for "Lilith" within a message about Lucy, then maybe "Lilith" is "always behind Lucy" b/c they both are betrayers. The betrayal will always follow you. Idk, this stuff is pretty interesting.

GeneralTrumbo
03-11-2012, 03:08 PM
Yeah, but if it is a meaning for "Lilith" within a message about Lucy, then maybe "Lilith" is "always behind Lucy" b/c they both are betrayers. The betrayal will always follow you. Idk, this stuff is pretty interesting.
Or maybe it is just telling another example of someone who betrayed the one they love. Lily being compared to Lucy. Makes sense?

fugazi787
03-11-2012, 06:23 PM
The game developers must be laughing their asses off when they throw in some random, meaningless phrase and watch as hoards of forum goers dissect and investigate its purpose.

LightRey
03-11-2012, 08:07 PM
The game developers must be laughing their asses off when they throw in some random, meaningless phrase and watch as hoards of forum goers dissect and investigate its purpose.
Probably. :p

liamisic911
03-11-2012, 11:47 PM
So here a recap. We have found secret messages in every memory except the third.

Memory 1:
Hebrew text means 'Dlila'. That's the Hebrew name for Delilah the woman who betrayed Samson. This probably refers to Lucy betraying Desmond (and Clay).

Memory 2:
Binary message that says "Clay created Adam, Adam created Clay".
Biblical Adam was made out of clay and Clay is a descendant from Adam.

Memory 3:
No message found (yet).

Memory 4:
In the Animus lab you see a series of narrow and wide light bars. Those are Morse code. When translated they say. "Beware the daughter of the sixth." I have no idea what this one means. We must be aware of Lucy of course, but how is she 'the daughter of the sixth'
Memory 5:
Braille text translates to "The truth is constructed from lies"
Probably means what most people consider to be the truth is are Templar lies.

Memory 6:
Cesarean shift coded message that translates to "Lucy, she Is aLways behind You"
The capitals form 'LILY' Might refer to that Lucy was supposed to support Clay. Not sure about the meaning of Lily.

Memory 7:
Hexadecimal code translates to "She ould have led D away from the path"
Either by accident of design it misses the 'c' or 'w' on front of 'ould'
This of course is about Lucy about to betray Desmond (D).

Did anyone find a message in memory 3?
Anyone have any other theories or explanations on these messages?

I personally think the "LILLY" reference has something to do with Adams first wife "LILLITH" she resented Adam because he tried to make her subservient, she then fled the garden of Eden and myth goes god sent angels after her, she then later kills babies out of spite (may need to double check this it has been a while since I read into this) I did mention this earlier in the thread but was ignored.

Didn't realise it got mentioned again. I think for us to understand which direction ubi is going we have to compare it to a lot of biblical conspiracies such as the "lillith" story I've noticed they keep portraying characters in certain ways to act similar to biblical counter parts. Very interesting indeed. You can sort of look at Altair and Ezio and now 16 as "Prophets" for Desmond all very Biblical related. I think Adha (Altairs first love before maria) may have something to do with this all in the end, she played a very insignificant roll for such an important character I'm noticing a lot of patterns.

GLHS
03-12-2012, 12:59 PM
Or maybe it is just telling another example of someone who betrayed the one they love. Lily being compared to Lucy. Makes sense?

Well, sure, it was just an idea I had. But I seriously am pretty stumped about it, so it could mean anything. Or nothing at all lol.

GeneralTrumbo
03-12-2012, 03:45 PM
The game developers must be laughing their asses off when they throw in some random, meaningless phrase and watch as hoards of forum goers dissect and investigate its purpose.
So you are saying they added these random phrases for no reason whatsoever? Umm...no...

GeneralTrumbo
03-12-2012, 03:47 PM
Well, sure, it was just an idea I had. But I seriously am pretty stumped about it, so it could mean anything. Or nothing at all lol.
Like others have said, these people are being compared to biblical counterparts. It all has to do with the idea that history repeats itself I think. Like, you know, the end of TWCB and the end of our civilization.

cofn42
03-13-2012, 02:41 AM
Here is an interesting sniglet of info on Lily:

Christian legend - Lily of the Valley


The flower is also known as Our Lady's tears or Mary's tears from Christian legends (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_legend) that it sprang from the weeping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolorosa) of the Virgin Mary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Mary) during the crucifixion of Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus). Other etiologies its coming into being from Eve's tears after she was driven with Adam from the Garden of Eden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden)[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_of_the_Valley#cite_note-10) or from the blood shed by Saint Leonard of Noblac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Leonard_of_Noblac) during his battles with a dragon.

The name "lily of the valley" is also used in some English translations of the Bible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible) in Song of Songs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_Songs) 2:1, although whether or not the Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language) word "shoshana" (usually denoting a rose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose)) originally used there refers to this species is uncertain.

It is a symbol of humility in religious painting. Lily of the valley is considered the sign of Christ's second coming. The power of men to envision a better world was also attributed to the lily of the valley.

Poodle_of_Doom
03-13-2012, 03:13 AM
This is awesome. I never noticed any of this before.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-21-2012, 01:51 PM
did anyone find anymore symbols ? did anyone notice the strange 'P' in the 5th memory of Desmond that is drawn to look hebrew ?

Poodle_of_Doom
03-21-2012, 03:23 PM
did anyone find anymore symbols ? did anyone notice the strange 'P' in the 5th memory of Desmond that is drawn to look hebrew ?

You have a screnshot?

GeneralTrumbo
03-21-2012, 03:30 PM
did anyone find anymore symbols ? did anyone notice the strange 'P' in the 5th memory of Desmond that is drawn to look hebrew ?
Can you get a screenshot or something? I need to know because all that translates to in hebrew is 'Qof' and that is all it translates to in english, so best bet is that it isn't hebrew.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-21-2012, 05:32 PM
http://guides.gamepressure.com/assassinscreedrevelations/gfx/word/1755306171.jpg

I do not know how to take a pic. so this is the best I could find on google....it is the very beginnig of desmond's journey 5 in the first elevator...problem with this photo is that its blurred making the shape actually look like a P, but it not a Perfect P unlike the other floors which are marked by numbers which are drawn perfectly...the 'P' for parking level is the only thing drawn awkwardly.(Side note:) in AC2 When you take the elevator to the parking lot it is clearly different(that too is also in the beginning of AC2 when escaping abstergo)

De Filosoof
03-21-2012, 09:33 PM
did anyone find anymore symbols ? did anyone notice the strange 'P' in the 5th memory of Desmond that is drawn to look hebrew ?

There's also a P in a circle like all the other symbols in memory 2.
Has anybody else seen that one?
It's in the beginning behind a wall.

Acrimonious_Nin
03-21-2012, 09:54 PM
umm we are talking about desmond's journey right?

Acrimonious_Nin
03-21-2012, 10:03 PM
There's also a P in a circle like all the other symbols in memory 2.
Has anybody else seen that one?
It's in the beginning behind a wall.

can you give me directions lol I do not know where to go to find them

Poodle_of_Doom
03-21-2012, 11:47 PM
I don't mean to be the one to tell you this, but it depends on the floor level they were on. Near, or close to a parking garage, they put the letter P up sometimes.

LightRey
03-22-2012, 12:31 AM
I don't mean to be the one to tell you this, but it depends on the floor level they were on. Near, or close to a parking garage, they put the letter P up sometimes.
So it's a parking sign...
Ok, let's move on from this one.

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 12:59 AM
So it's a parking sign...
Ok, let's move on from this one.

Well, I didn't say that. I'm just saying, I can't clearly see what's outside the door, and that this is a potiential possibility.


how about we don't if your not going to contribute...its clearly not a P its hebrew and I am wondering if anyone else saw anything that was similar through out...so why should we move on? o.O just wanna make a post? lol congradulations ...

anyways moving on to the real topic I wonder what that other guy was talking about because he saw the same thing somewhere else in memory 2 and it IS there..so these hebrew letters must mean something...so does anyone else have a better answer that wise-*** sarcasm?

You know what bro... I want to make sure I have your argument straight here. What your basically trying to say about this mysterious letter "P" is: if it looks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's definitly an eider?

LightRey
03-22-2012, 01:28 AM
Well, I didn't say that. I'm just saying, I can't clearly see what's outside the door, and that this is a potiential possibility.
Well it's at the bottom of the first elevator of Desmond's Journey Part 5 right? That's the parking garage.

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 02:21 AM
I'm sorry, does my supreme logic confuse you?

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 02:50 AM
You mad bro?

GeneralTrumbo
03-22-2012, 02:54 AM
I hate to say it, but I do think it is just there to represent the P for Parking...they put a P where the Parking garage was, and numbers for each floor...it makes sense.

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 03:00 AM
Well, another mystery solved! Glad I thought of it.

PS: I appreciate the fact that he has deleted his posts to make it look as if I've double posted....

De Filosoof
03-22-2012, 03:36 AM
can you give me directions lol I do not know where to go to find them

Oh sorry, no i'm talking about the lost archive.
I never saw somebody talk about it on this thread so....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwYLoTulFrI

it's in the room at 0.24
It's behind the wall where he looks at @ 0.30

Acrimonious_Nin
03-22-2012, 03:53 AM
Thank You :D I will look at it now I wonder why it is both in the 5th memory of desmond's journey AND in the lost archives o.O...very interesting...

Acrimonious_Nin
03-22-2012, 04:18 AM
Oh sorry, no i'm talking about the lost archive.
I never saw somebody talk about it on this thread so....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwYLoTulFrI

it's in the room at 0.24
It's behind the wall where he looks at @ 0.30

OMG lmao this is amazing o.O I can not find anything on google as of today but the P in a circle, but its not just a P if I didn't know any better I would have to say that wasn't really a 'P' but a symbol that you find in math or something like that....thats a good find though....You win lmao XD sorry I have no idea if it was a standard P then it would be the copyright of audios that have been put in the game but its not a standard P its strange....If no one says anything by tomorrow I will look into it deeper myself ...

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 04:50 AM
As requested before... can you provide a screenshot from the aforementioned video?

InfamousQ1987
03-22-2012, 06:34 AM
Memory 6:
Cesarean shift coded message that translates to "Lucy, she Is aLways behind You"
The capitals form 'LILY' Might refer to that Lucy was supposed to support Clay. Not sure about the meaning of Lily.

If I'm not mistaken, lucy's friend name was lily wasn't it? You know the one that killed herself. Maybe lily was a code name for lucy assisting clay escape abstergo, but lucy turned templar and terminated/ killed that mission/ lilly? Any thoughtsi
If you do not know of which friend of lucy's I am talking about there is mention of here in the emails you read (AC1). maybe vidik brain washed lucy (sleeper agent?, it was even mentioned that desmond could be a sleeper agent, but any ways) maybe she remembered code name lily, and vidik just told her she committed suicide

jmk1999
03-22-2012, 07:48 AM
Please show respect to all members... regardless of how you feel about them. Also, don't provoke flaming wars. Failure to adhere to these rules may result in suspension. Thanks.

LightRey
03-22-2012, 01:15 PM
Memory 6:
Cesarean shift coded message that translates to "Lucy, she Is aLways behind You"
The capitals form 'LILY' Might refer to that Lucy was supposed to support Clay. Not sure about the meaning of Lily.

If I'm not mistaken, lucy's friend name was lily wasn't it? You know the one that killed herself. Maybe lily was a code name for lucy assisting clay escape abstergo, but lucy turned templar and terminated/ killed that mission/ lilly? Any thoughtsi
If you do not know of which friend of lucy's I am talking about there is mention of here in the emails you read (AC1). maybe vidik brain washed lucy (sleeper agent?, it was even mentioned that desmond could be a sleeper agent, but any ways) maybe she remembered code name lily, and vidik just told her she committed suicide
No, her name was Leila Marino.

Poodle_of_Doom
03-22-2012, 08:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyCDPduX9eg

I have been watching some videos online of the Lost Archive DLC. At that, I found memory number 5 to be kind of interesting. One of the many things I noticed was the email from Clay's mother. Both of these emails have suffixs attached to them (ie., @hotmail.com) that are legitimate. Has anyone ever tried to email either of these addresses to see what kind of a response they get?