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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 12:29 PM
In the future please release smaller patches more frequent, 9 months seems way to long of a wait for a game that dont play that smooth online no matter what your system specs and connection are. I dont expect the game to be perfect but it should run better then it does fps sound multiplayer. Also can you tell us why it was delayed again after official ubi fishdogg posted july 30th? I would just like to know.


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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 12:29 PM
In the future please release smaller patches more frequent, 9 months seems way to long of a wait for a game that dont play that smooth online no matter what your system specs and connection are. I dont expect the game to be perfect but it should run better then it does fps sound multiplayer. Also can you tell us why it was delayed again after official ubi fishdogg posted july 30th? I would just like to know.


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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 12:38 PM
what do you do for living?

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 12:54 PM
9 months?

Where do you live? When was FB released?

XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 01:17 PM
9 months may be a bit too much, but it's still a long time.

I agree that the patch must have been released much sooner.

actually, there shouldn't be the need for a patch. FB should have been version 1.0 worthy at launch (which it obviously wasn't).

XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 01:45 PM
Ehem...3dsmax, Maya, and other 3d programs range from $4000 to $15000. That's like 100+ times more than Il2/FB. However, they all get updates and fixing patches now and then (some take a long time to come out and some are to fix very important issues).

Other softwares (including Mac) get updates and patches (service packs...) when fixes are needed and when they manage to ammend some wrong doing...yet they get released and used.

WHy would FB be different? It just goes with the technology. It just isn't perfect. Please be reaonable.

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 01:50 PM
This lowers time beta-testing it and allows more work to be put into work on other projects. Be happy, you have more airplanes and more features then the last ten sims.

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 02:29 PM
As long as it beats the first CFS2 patch to market...

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 03:09 PM
When a program has been turned so far from the original as IL2 has it's a minor miracle it can be made good at all. Let them take the time to get it right. Better to play IL2 v1.2 in the meantime.


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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 03:57 PM
To Leadspinner:

Upgrade your 56gay and crummy computer.

P.S STFUW

XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 05:08 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 05:33 PM
Im an illustrator and web developer for a financial planning company which has 4 sub companies mortgage, insurance, trading, n financial planning. I basically do webwork and magazine design, brochures for stocks, mutual funds and flash java work for thier site. Pretty boring stuff but with 4 companies Im always busy. Slow computer? p4 3.06 800fsb 1 gig of ddr, my ati 9700 broke so i got a crappy ge4 4200 that came with the comp and cable.

Fb has the same engine sturmo has just with some additions.

So far fb has the worst online gameplay out of all the new games on the market and very low fps.

games like cfs2 are made for user addons it brings cheats, fms werent that realistic but the game was sold to run great high fps smooth online play with many players great online sync between 56k and dsl.

Name one recent sim/game that runs worse then FB online



Message Edited on 07/25/0304:46PM by LeadSpitter_

XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 05:42 PM
Have you ever been delayed in your deadline (for whatever reason)? Always finished everything on the date set?

I know one thing. In desegn, video or film your deadline can (and does) move according to many issues. And no matter how big or small the company ir. This however, can sometimes been avoided by releasing crappy artwork and bad advertising (or copying other peoples work. Seen it)

give them a break.

I got FB on March or April, so...4 months? 5 the most? They sure didn't start the patch on November, did they?

How's your modelling? Slow? /i/smilies/16x16_man-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 05:55 PM
No I never missed a deadline, and its always my best quality, If I get to many projects at once I stay later and get overtime. I been told the wildcat has been reserved by someone else so I havent been working on it much. Plus its my first model and I dont know 3ds very well at all. Im thinking about taking class's for 3ds max to become better with the program. I eventually would like to get into special effects for film and commericals


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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 10:49 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- Name one recent sim/game that runs worse then FB
- online



"Aliens vs Predator 2".70ms ping doesn`t let me play online nor LAN.

FB ,90ms ping - perfectly smooth.


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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 11:39 PM
carguy_ wrote:
-
- LeadSpitter_ wrote:
-- Name one recent sim/game that runs worse then FB
-- online
-
-
-
- "Aliens vs Predator 2".70ms ping doesn`t let me play
- online nor LAN.
-
- FB ,90ms ping - perfectly smooth.

Actually, I think most of the problems with FB online is due to the poor condition/quality of host hardware/operating system/ISP performance, coupled with lag induced from the clients.

If anti-cheat was enabled to boot laggers after 2 warnings, things would be improved.

Moreover, I would suggest on servers with 8 or more players, people with a ping in excess of 400 get the boot as well...

BTW, the netcode in BF1942 was FAR worse than FB in it's original incarnation. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 11:47 PM
Seems I recall FB released March '03.( give or take)
9 months?
I'm just saying-

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:02 AM
TaZ_Attack wrote:
- Actually, I think most of the problems with FB
- online is due to the poor condition/quality of host
- hardware/operating system/ISP performance, coupled
- with lag induced from the clients.
-
- If anti-cheat was enabled to boot laggers after 2
- warnings, things would be improved.
-
- Moreover, I would suggest on servers with 8 or more
- players, people with a ping in excess of 400 get the
- boot as well...
-
- BTW, the netcode in BF1942 was FAR worse than FB in
- it's original incarnation. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



Yes,TaZ_Attack,I agree.I have exactly the same POV about this.It`s just that for opinion like that the half world would hate me.As you know,a netgame is as weak as it`s weakes link.I fly 3-4 missions a month where there isn`t anyone with ping greater than 200ms.Great,almost holy experience.Everything smooth.Unfortunately in every sortie there are few players with 400ms or higher.And I,or you,can do nothing about it.

Hell,there are even players,who`s PC can`t handle the missions.

From FB release I get the feeling that IL2 netcode was better suited for online play.I guess I`m right cuz I`m not the only one.


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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:24 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:

- Name one recent sim/game that runs worse then FB
- online

UMM...CFS3!

Btw I have a AMD XP 2083mhz@2200mhz (2600/2800 PR) GF4Ti 4400 128mb @300/600 and 768mb ram +DSL. At default best image quality with card and perfect settings in FB I get around 42 FPS and avg 80 fps at excellent in Multiplayer.
You can have a P4 4 ghz it wont make a diff cause the GPU's only take up 10% of your cpu's resources. The ti 4200 has a 128/64mb model. The 64MB one has a faster clock and the 128mb slower (thats why the ti 4200 is a ripoff). The 9700 has known probs with FB cause of the ati drivers.
I advise you get better Nvidia card, get the new 45.20 beta nvidia drivers at guru3d.com and stop whining.
As far as the pauses online I had them too till I upgraded. Now they barely happen. The problem with lag is hosts with dsl/cable are putting their network speed to dsl/cable which makes them upload at that speed and drags their server bandwith, you have to set it at 14.4K.
And yes games like cfs2 that I used to play alot have better latency at 56gay, however, cfs2 has a very very simple engine.

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 01:40 AM
all the games you mentioned run really smooth online for me avp2 cfs3 bf1942 and r2r. I get lag in none of them even with 56k players in cfs3. FB is a much better flightsim of course but it doesnt run good at all online even with cheatwarings set to boot at 1 and with all skin dls off, it still sends regiments and pilot skins. And scripted servers are worse constantly sending txt statistics to the host.

Btw this thread was started for asking for smaller patchs more frequently, easier for people to dl and we can get the improved netcode and quicker fps that 1c claimed to fix. For me thats very important since I play online mostly.


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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 11:24 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:

Btw this thread was started for asking for smaller
- patchs more frequently, easier for people to dl and
- we can get the improved netcode and quicker fps that
- 1c claimed to fix. For me thats very important since
- I play online mostly.

Most people by now should have download managers where you can resume the file (great for 56gay users so they dont get skrewd after downloading a 35mb file for a night).
As far as "asking for smaller
- patchs more frequently" it doesnt come that easy, they do the best they can to make a stable working patch you can't just make "small pieces" of it and post them every week that just sounds stupid.

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 01:10 PM
"smaller patches" would just mean more work...more testing...more delays...

And realize is, 95% of FB users are NOT playing online. Why delay their patch so the 5% online users can get a quick fix?

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 02:50 PM
those percentages are wrong, its more like 80% of the people dont play FB or bought it and have slow systems and do not play for instance in cfs2 theres over 200+ people who bought FB and cant run it because they say its unplayble on the min system requirements.

Games like mco "Online Game only" 25,000 and less then 3000 play and "Everquest" sold close to 90,000 copies and about 15,000 play people give up games and buy new ones sales records dont friggen mean they are playing offline only an idiot would think thats the case!

The majority of people who continue to play fb play online so why do something for people who dont even play the game anymore waste of time and money! The first few weeks of fbs release there was more then 1000 ppl on hl and a few hundred on ubi, most gave up becuase they bought the game for online play and werent happy with the games online performance which i dont blame them for. Look at ebay and see all the people selling FB.



Message Edited on 07/26/0302:04PM by LeadSpitter_

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 03:25 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- Name one recent sim/game that runs worse then FB
- online

MOHAA



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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 04:05 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- those percentages are wrong, its more like 80% of
- the people dont play FB or bought it and have slow
- systems and do not play for instance in cfs2 theres
- over 200+ people who bought FB and cant run it
- because they say its unplayble on the min system
- requirements.

- The majority of people who continue to play fb play
- online so why do something for people who dont even
- play the game anymore waste of time and money! The
- first few weeks of fbs release there was more then
- 1000 ppl on hl and a few hundred on ubi, most gave
- up becuase they bought the game for online play and
- werent happy with the games online performance which
- i dont blame them for. Look at ebay and see all the
- people selling FB.

You Sir, are an idiot. Those percentages came from Oleg himself who in turn has them from various Ubi-Marketing-Statistics.

Just because the 5% who play online cry the loudest doesn't mean the world revolves around you.

I would also like to know where you get the bullsh!t from that 80% of the people "dont play FB anymore" yeah sure...

Learn to wait your turn like everyone else, and dont try to portray your "online world" as so god-darn important that you would warrant your own patch. It isn't, accept that.

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 05:35 PM
your a ***ken idiot if you believe 95% play offline you know how ubi gets them statistics froms sales 95% are nowhere to be found is all they know! And they do not check ase and HL just there ubi software for that stats! so the 400-500 on HL are considered offline players becuase they do not play on the ubi program. Go ask oleg and he will tell you thats how its done if hes honest.

Learn a damn thing about marketing idiot. And read my earlier post about sales for online only games! the ammount of people playing and the ammount who bought it. Do the freaking math! Im sure theres many who play offline but the number of people who dont even play it anymore is far more then those playing offline.

ubi has the worse marketing out of any game company currently out there! AND YOU SIR ARE A MORON IF YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE 95% PLAY OFFLINE ONLY.

Mods please lock this one.

Message Edited on 07/26/0304:40PM by LeadSpitter_

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 05:52 PM
Look Kid, the fact remains...far more people play offline than online.

So shut your piehole and stop pretending that YOU earn a patch earlier because you are somehow part of a "majority".

Kindergarten, that's all you are.

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 06:12 PM
I guess doom2 sold a couple million copies and all the people who bought it continue to play offline with 1% playing online =D

Well lets drop it, I know Im right on this one Nowi, and hopefully this will be locked soon. Nothing against you for not agreeing. Hopefully fly with you online soon




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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 06:21 PM
The is the same guy who was whining about me "running" in my bf 109. You pay 40$ for a good game if your happy ok if your sad too bad. Ubi and Maddox team don't have to do shiite after they sell you the game. You're just a greedy whiner.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 07:35 PM
I've never complained about anyone running ever in my life, you got the wrong dude. Greedy no I just would like improvement like most people on here who respect oleg. And I only flew with you once merk you were the guy crashing into all the spawners in a no vulching room. And im sure you noticed who had the most points and you had 40 for about 2 hrs of play cursing about warp.

And I was in a p40 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 08:43 PM
carguy_ wrote:
-
--
- FB ,90ms ping - perfectly smooth.
-


Perfectaly smooth ???

what sim are you playing I fly normaly 60 ping servers

wich should be like glass but Cough NO lots of jerky lag and stuttering

& its not my pc or my connection either



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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 08:53 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- In the future please release smaller patches more
- frequent, 9 months seems way to long of a wait for a
- game that dont play that smooth online no matter
- what your system specs and connection are. I dont
- expect the game to be perfect but it should run
- better then it does fps sound multiplayer. Also can
- you tell us why it was delayed again after official
- ubi fishdogg posted july 30th? I would just like to
- know.


Where in here is he whining I see no whining I see a person voicing his concerns

I gaurntee you if there was no online capability I would not be flying offline I dont play xbox or playstation or any of that crap cuz it dosent connect too the internet where I can Frag Monkeys like you.

Oleg & 1c do owe FB something I gaurntee when Fb was released Oleg knew he was going to have to Patch it thats a fact

I appreciate this sim & want the patch as much as anyone but Im content too wait for a solid release, others are less patient & I dont blame them but your flaming peeps for there opinions is unexceptable

Go away Crashing Merkava

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 10:44 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- Nothing
- against you for not agreeing. Hopefully fly with you
- online soon

Ain't going to happen...I dont feel the need to go online into all the disorganization and madness. There used to be a time when I flew well organized Squadron Wars online, but it proofed to be to much of a hassle to setup.

Ever waited an hour for two teams to join a coop just so you could crash within 10 minutes after game start?

No, FB can do more than just online flying. And I'm very happy with the quick, historically correct missions the DCG brings me.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 01:03 AM
LeadSpitter babbled:
- your a ***ken idiot if you believe 95% play offline
- you know how ubi gets them statistics froms sales
- 95% are nowhere to be found is all they know! And
- they do not check ase and HL just there ubi software
- for that stats! so the 400-500 on HL are considered
- offline players becuase they do not play on the ubi
- program. Go ask oleg and he will tell you thats how
- its done if hes honest.
-
- Learn a damn thing about marketing idiot. And read
- my earlier post about sales for online only games!
- the ammount of people playing and the ammount who
- bought it. Do the freaking math! Im sure theres many
- who play offline but the number of people who dont
- even play it anymore is far more then those playing
- offline.
-
- ubi has the worse marketing out of any game company
- currently out there! AND YOU SIR ARE A MORON IF YOU
- ACTUALLY BELIEVE 95% PLAY OFFLINE ONLY.
-


Being called an idiot by Leadspitter is like being called ugly by Osama Bin Laden.

I've been watching this boy for some time now, shaking my head every now and then in bemused wonder. He does this all the time: posts these loony rants full of wild statements with no basis beyond his own bizarre imagination, and then when someone calls him on it his idea of arguing his point is to repeat the same crap again and again, louder and louder, and call everyone else names if they don't agree with him.

(He doesn't just do it in here, you know. He was a major problem over at Sim Outhouse, only the mods finally slapped him down till he chilled somewhat. The mods at S.O. do things like that - unlike the ones in here, whose priorities run more to deleting beta-related threads and watching out for Vulgar Language.)

But this one is a classic. It's all there: the totally baseless statements, the insults, the obnoxious attitude, the garbled grammar and illiterate spelling and punctuation (Oleg learned English as a second language, what's this kid's excuse?), the caplocks at the end....

Ever hear George Carlin's routine about how the world's problems are mostly caused by people who are either really stupid, or totally crazy, or just completely full of it? (Language modified in accordance with the Church Lady rules in here.) I wonder what Carlin would make of Leadspitter. Probably say, "And then there are those who manage to be all three."

Mr. Spitter - or may I just call you Lead? - the floor is yours, for another exhibition of the brilliant witty repartee for which you are known. Please don't disappoint us.

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 03:19 AM
Merkava:

i think thats not the place to make such statements....
Lspitter makes good jobs, does what he can to make it go fine he can.
Seen his black 13 Paintjob for a Focke? he knows whats nice -you dont seem to.

-S- Leadspitter

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 04:09 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- In the future please release smaller patches more
- frequent, 9 months seems way to long of a wait for a
- game that dont play that smooth online no matter
- what your system specs and connection are. I dont
- expect the game to be perfect but it should run
- better then it does fps sound multiplayer. Also can
- you tell us why it was delayed again after official
- ubi fishdogg posted july 30th? I would just like to
- know.
-

9 is not right, but I agree that a small patch as early as possible, addressing the biggest off- (I would say flak) and online (warp) headdeaches would have been nice.


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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 04:30 PM
I guess it is the high summer temperatures.

Moving from a patch discussion to talking about each others' IQs and personal tendencies (somebody has the gay word in every second sentence- didn't know Modems were male! ROFL), wow !

How 'bout everybody chilling out a little bit ?

I am going on vacation for 4 weeks! My wife ruled out taking the PC with me.
I hope in September all of this will be over...

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 04:35 PM
If the patch is release 4th of August it's less then 5 months, not 9 months.

And I play coop missions with my squadmates without lag already anyway.

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 05:15 PM
Slow game play, bad FPS mmhh!!! strange do not have it HEH!! sometimes the net is laggy due to high traffic.
Doesn't have anything to do with the program FB.
So maybe look at your and of the stick and check your cable or hardware a high end system with a crappy item in it can be a problem.

And nag!!! nag!! nag!! the patch is late heh you are ok in saying that high end programs like 3dmax, Solidworks, PRO-engineer and MAYA have regular updates but he they are not for free m8 you pay for it via your service payments!!!!

And ok the fb version of il2 is not complete but hell we all where nag nag nagging about its release remember!!!!. and time to market and money issue's also take up there importance on software releases.

It's a fact of life deal with it.

I belief it's an ok sim with some issues that need to be corrected!!
And they will just be patient!!!!