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RiesenSchnauzer
06-11-2004, 04:03 PM
This is a late war variant of the Jug I would really like to see in one of your games. If you have any plans for this model it would be great to hear about it.

RiesenSchnauzer
06-11-2004, 04:03 PM
This is a late war variant of the Jug I would really like to see in one of your games. If you have any plans for this model it would be great to hear about it.

MEGILE
06-11-2004, 04:30 PM
Bump, worthy cause bro http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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p1ngu666
06-11-2004, 04:49 PM
it should be in PF

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RiesenSchnauzer
06-11-2004, 04:55 PM
It makes more sense for it to be in PF, but I will take it in either game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
06-11-2004, 08:46 PM
P-47N in FB would be more of a theoretical usage. Although they were deployed to the ETO for combat duty the war ended before they were used.

The Pacific theater saw several months of usage in a variety of roles including long range escort fighter and fighter bomber. So if there is a choice, PF is the slightly more logical one.

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RiesenSchnauzer
06-11-2004, 10:17 PM
Agreed. The P-47N and your beloved Tempest V are the two planes I would really like to see flyable at some point the most. The Corsair was the other biggie, but it looks like its place in PF is secure.

VVS-Manuc
06-12-2004, 07:28 AM
Yes..more an more planes and all FM's become more and more unrealistic

Bull_dog_
06-12-2004, 09:46 AM
I'd like to see the N in PF and the M in FB.

Structurally, what were the differences between the M and N ?

BigKahuna_GS
06-12-2004, 07:41 PM
S!

We should be flying the P47M right now. It saw more service than the Ta152.
The P47M did 470+mph at 32,000ft.

http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Seversky-Republic8.html

The P47N model was the M model with different wings that could hold more fuel---basically a long range model. The wing tips were squared off to give it a fastor roll rate. The N model was probably the best manuevering P47 with the P47D-30 style air frame.

The roll rate for the P47N was 100deg a second @ 250mph TAS---pretty fast. The speed was almost as fast the M, ----P47N 467mph @ 32,000ft

These are impressive numbers.


http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Xp-47n.jpg
The XP-47N took to the air for the first time on July 22, 1944. Test comparisons were made with a P-47D-30-RE throughout the early portion of the evaluation period. At 250 mph TAS, the N attained a maximum roll rate just over 100 degrees/second. The P-47D-30-RE could manage but 85 degrees/second at the same speed.

At higher speeds, the N widened the gap further. In mock combat with a P-47D-25-RE, the new fighter proved to be notably superior in every category of performance. In short, the XP-47 waxed the venerable D model regardless of who was piloting the older fighter.

The new wing was part of this newfound dogfighting ability, however, the more powerful C series engine played a role too. The additional horsepower allowed the N to retain its energy better than the older Thunderbolt.

Perhaps the greatest performance increase was in maximum speed. The heavier N was fully 40 mph faster than the P-47D-25-RE and could generate speeds 30 mph greater than its principal rival, the Mustang. Scorching along at 467 mph @ 32,000 ft., the N could not be caught by any fighter in regular service with any air force on earth with the single exception of its M model sibling. This combination of wing and engine had pushed the N model up to the top rank of the superlative prop driven fighters then in existence.


http://home.att.net/~historyzone/P-47N-TestPilots.JPG
Republic employed some of the nation's finest test pilots to test the XP and YP-47N prototypes.

The testing program included determining the maximum range of the fighter. This was done with various combinations of fuel loads and external drop tanks. Having flown 1,980 miles, total fuel usage was measured at 1,057.5 gallons. There was still more than 112 gallons of usable fuel remaining in the main fuselage tank, enough for another 330 miles @ 1,700 rpm in auto-lean. The XP-47N was now the king of long-range single engine fighters (the all time leader of long range escorts was the P-38L-1-LO, which could claim a combat radius of nearly 1,500 miles under ideal conditions).

Eventually, 1,816 P-47Ns were completed before the cancellation of the contract after Japan surrendered. The big fighters were deployed to the Pacific and were beginning to demonstrate their full potential when two atomic bombs put an end to the conflict.



http://home.att.net/~historyzone/P-47N-318FG.JPG
Bore sighting the guns on any fighter was meticulous work. To obtain the best result, all the guns were sighted to focus on a specific point. Often, the pilot would specify that point. This P-47N-1-RE served with the 318th Fighter Group operating out of le Shima.


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CCJ: What do you define as the most important things a fighter pilot must know to be successful, relating to air combat maneuvering?

Robert S. Johnson :
It's pretty simple, really. Know the absolute limits of your plane's capabilities.
Know its strengths and weaknesses. Know the strengths and weaknesses of you enemy's fighters. Never fight the way your enemy fights best. Always fight the way you fight best. Never be predictable.

In "Fighter Aces," aviation historians Raymond Tolliver
and Trevor Constable compared Johnson's record with that of two German aces.
Werner Molders was the first ace to score 100 aerial victories and Erich Hartmann is the top scoring ace of all time with 352.

The authors noted that
Johnson "emerges impressively from this comparison." He downed 28 planes in 91 sorties, while Molders took 142 sorties to do the same, and Hartmann, 194.
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VW-IceFire
06-12-2004, 10:19 PM
And it carries HVAR's...I like that prospect. I'll be hunting Japanese shipping with rocket armed P-47N's in PF...I know I will http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
06-13-2004, 12:38 AM
*bump*

This would be Good News. The more airplanes are added the more accurate each FM gets. MiG~3 is now real easy to stall and spin now at low speeds and its one of the most difficult to turn safely--most immersive and realistic, and it all came with Fb109Z. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Maple_Tiger
06-13-2004, 06:20 AM
Kahuna, please stop. Your making me drule again. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VW-IceFire
06-13-2004, 08:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
*bump*

This would be Good News. The more airplanes are added the more accurate each FM gets. MiG~3 is now real easy to stall and spin now at low speeds and its one of the most difficult to turn safely--most immersive and realistic, and it all came with Fb109Z. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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_"You will still have FB , you will lose _nothing_"_ ~WUAF_Badsight
_"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..."_ ~Bearcat99
_"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age"_ ~ElAurens
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_"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore_!_"_ ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So very true! I wish other people could work at this level...the MiG is very cool now! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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BigKahuna_GS
06-13-2004, 05:05 PM
S!

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Maple Tiger---Kahuna, please stop. Your making me drule again.
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http://home.att.net/~historyzone/P-47M56fg.JPG
These P-47M-1-RE fighters belong to the 56th Fighter Group. These are fitted with wing pylons for external stores. P-47Ms were originally produced without pylons, which were deemed unnecessary for chasing V-1 flying bombs. Once free of that duty, pylons were quickly added. The nearest fighter is that belonging to Lt. Col. Pete Dade.

Right out of the starting gate, the XP-47M the horse to beat in terms of speed. The XP-47M proved to be nearly as fast as the XP-47J. 488 mph was obtained on at least one flight. The official maximum speed is 470 mph. However, over-boosting the engine could tweak another 15 to 20 mph out of the big fighter.

I cant help thinking what a great high alt fight this would be between the P47M & N vs Ta152 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Why Oleg has not added these planes or at least the P47M is a mystery.

I look forward to this in PF I hope :

http://home.att.net/~Historyzone/PreCradleP-47N.JPG

At higher speeds, the N widened the gap further. In mock combat with a P-47D-25-RE, the new fighter proved to be notably superior in every category of performance. In short, the XP-47 waxed the venerable D model regardless of who was piloting the older fighter.

The new wing was part of this newfound dogfighting ability, however, the more powerful C series engine played a role too. The additional horsepower allowed the N to retain its energy better than the older Thunderbolt.

Perhaps the greatest performance increase was in maximum speed. The heavier N was fully 40 mph faster than the P-47D-25-RE and could generate speeds 30 mph greater than its principal rival, the Mustang. Scorching along at 467 mph @ 32,000 ft.


All this and HVARS too ! I hope
_____

CCJ: What do you define as the most important things a fighter pilot must know to be successful, relating to air combat maneuvering?

Robert S. Johnson :
It's pretty simple, really. Know the absolute limits of your plane's capabilities.
Know its strengths and weaknesses. Know the strengths and weaknesses of you enemy's fighters. Never fight the way your enemy fights best. Always fight the way you fight best. Never be predictable.

In "Fighter Aces," aviation historians Raymond Tolliver
and Trevor Constable compared Johnson's record with that of two German aces.
Werner Molders was the first ace to score 100 aerial victories and Erich Hartmann is the top scoring ace of all time with 352.

The authors noted that
Johnson "emerges impressively from this comparison." He downed 28 planes in 91 sorties, while Molders took 142 sorties to do the same, and Hartmann, 194.
________


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BigKahuna_GS
06-13-2004, 06:27 PM
S!

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VW-IceFire---And it carries HVAR's...I like that prospect. I'll be hunting Japanese shipping with rocket armed P-47N's in PF...I know I will
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What about Napalm also ?

The P47N used all three; bombs, HVARS and napalm.
So did the Hellcat and Corsair.

I am really looking forward to Pacific Fighters.



_____

CCJ: What do you define as the most important things a fighter pilot must know to be successful, relating to air combat maneuvering?

Robert S. Johnson :
It's pretty simple, really. Know the absolute limits of your plane's capabilities.
Know its strengths and weaknesses. Know the strengths and weaknesses of you enemy's fighters. Never fight the way your enemy fights best. Always fight the way you fight best. Never be predictable.

In "Fighter Aces," aviation historians Raymond Tolliver
and Trevor Constable compared Johnson's record with that of two German aces.
Werner Molders was the first ace to score 100 aerial victories and Erich Hartmann is the top scoring ace of all time with 352.

The authors noted that
Johnson "emerges impressively from this comparison." He downed 28 planes in 91 sorties, while Molders took 142 sorties to do the same, and Hartmann, 194.
________


http://www.warplaneswarehouse.com/planes_lg/MS1AOO_LG.jpg

"Angels of Okinawa"

RiesenSchnauzer
06-14-2004, 02:27 AM
If Luthier ever returns to the PF board I will ask him there about the P-47N for PF. The more I learn about it, the more I feel like I would be more excited to fly it in PF than the Corsair.